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>>584229297 I work for the United States government but on a base that is not in the US.
I suspect our work is reverse-engineering technology gained from other sources but from where, I do not know. Our team gets plans and parts from higher up on the chain and told to "figure it out" and work with what we have
>>584229627 Space travel, or transportation in general.
Define occult? If you mean magic or witchcraft, then none.
The propulsion technology we currently have our hands on is not based on combustion of fuels in any way, which should be interesting if you have any idea about propulsion methods. I'm not talking about electric engines here
Seriously, combustion fuels, electric engines. Is this your best example to give, when practicing cognitive biases on what others might have up in mind? You sound like you just read a book and you are so hyped about it.
"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Just a reminder. Plausible deniability is something I'd like to preserve.
>>584229658 I'm not exactly sure. To be honest, I don't feel comfortable describing the tech as being extraterrestrial. To me it feels like something that could be in our grasp someday but very founded in our present technology. I've entertained the notion of it being technology from the future somehow, but I'm not exactly sure how that would work either
>>584229757 Combustion of fuels is thermodynamics, which is basically chemically based. Not sure how you would make a pure chemically based propulsion system. Not sure how much I can or should say about how these work. Suffice it to say it is not technology that we have conventionally used.
>>584229652 To be honest, I came here because I am somewhat vain and hate the idea of no one hearing about what we are working on. I don't want to cause any potential harm however and know that some of this information could be potentially sensitive
>>584230210 so are you proposing there is some breakthrough technology that may possibly coming in the near future, and you believe it may have a large impact? >>584230295 you came to b with this, just spit it out, you're fucking killing me, I was about to go to bed but now I want to know
>>584230153 I believe we are close to colonizing another planet even without the use of this planet. I'm not sure it would or should be allowed to spread to widespread usage until we understand the underlying principles entirely
>>584230465 It can be land based, and it can be utilized in aerospace applications. It's just a propulsion methods, we use combustion in cars, planes, and rockets.
The main advantage it has in comparison to conventional propulsion systems is that it has a much higher upper bound. Our current combustion-based systems are limited by the materials we have available; a very layman example being engines can only reach a certain compression ratio because our metals can only withstand temperatures and pressures to a certain degree.
This technology bypasses that and thus would possibly allow us to reach much higher accelerations and speeds, but at the cost of immense energy. Some of the parts I've seen do look like they come from small-scale applications though
>>584230573 he didnt say anything about using force. he said its not combustion based. so what then op? ion drive? solar panels (the ones that catch solar 'winds')? as much as i read so far, you are either a troll or dont know much about what you are doing
you said yourself "The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact." be a bit more specific on what kind of propulsions are you working on. you can deny it anyway
Why do you think that all of the laws of physics are shared with the general public? Why do you have such an immense trust in others? Why do you think they freaking care about you so much, that they will share everything they now? It is very often wise to keep secret, be silent on things, matter, information etc. Also consider the fact, that people are greedy as fuck. Some might even use valuable info for far greater plans than you could ever imagine. It is best to keep low profile.
>>584230571 We can power it any way we want. It's the principles behind it that are unconventional.
>>584230745 I'm not sure which law you're talking about, but the forces are conserved.
Without mentioning too much, the forces used in this propulsion system are alike the fundamental forces. Think about gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong atomic force, and you'll get an idea similar to what's at work here
>>584231140 I saw a video of an old man drop a piece of a certain metal down what I believe were a hollow copper tube, and possibly a hollow iron tube. the magnetic forces in each varied, causing the object dropped down the tube to have an either unimpeded or slowed descent, depending on the tube. Is this similar to what you're doing? Or are you just running an insanely high current through something?
Currently that is indeed part of the problem we are trying to solve. One branch of the team is working on attempting to gain a complete understanding of how this technology works, but each test runs up an impressive energy bill.
Another team is working on creating a reactor or other power source capable of fueling the system for a period of time that would make usage actually feasible.
I am part of the first group, and my personal belief is that until current technology improves, we will not have the power sources to make productive use of this technology
>>584231140 This subject has always fascinated me. I have no doubt there are technologies within our grasp far beyond what I can imagine. What have you been able to learn so far? Would the upper limits you mention include speeds approaching light?
>>584231605 We predict relativistic speeds to be within the bounds of this technology. The issue here is the energy involved; the faster you are travelling, the more energy is required to accelerate further.
Nead-light speeds are theoretically possible with this system, however, in practice it would take far more energy than it would be possible to pump in to achieve such velocities.
Usually, we get plans from higher up on the chain. We attempt to make sense of the schematics, and then later on we are given part and pieces of a larger assembly. There is no doubt they are keeping some from us, but I agree that practice is an intelligent safety precaution.
>>584231584 You said earlier some parts seem to have come from existing small scale applications. Then mentioned Current technology prohibits us from making usage feasible. Trying to read between the lines here, can you help me out?
>>584231550 Yes that is similar. That experiment you've mentioned is a common example of the electromagnetic force. Imagine that force being used to accelerate something instead, in the manner of an rail gun, if the metaphor were to be extended.
That's currently a measure of our control over the system, but we'd like to fine tune it and have more precise control over it soon
>>584232232 When you examine a part or piece of a system, you can get an idea of the scale of the entirety. Some of the sections we've seen definitely give the impression that they were from a small-scale applications, as in perhaps individual use or for use in small groups.
Our current energy availability makes even infrequent use of the system impracticable, let alone widespread. We simply cannot provide the power to run this system in any extent for a worthwhile period of time.
>>584232568 I believe so. I have no way of knowing for certain, but although the underlying principles behind the propulsion are completely foreign, some of the components look too remarkably inspired by current design to be a coincidence.
This is to the extent that, if I were to be told that this was extraterrestrial technology, I would have to concede that all advanced technology converges, a notion that is ludicrous to me currently.
>>584232750 I guess what I'm asking is, if you think it was being used by someone or some group, that implies not only do we not understand the technology but we also don't understand the power source. The between the lines part begs the question do you think the power source could actually be more important than the technology itself? More to the point, do you think the power source is something someone on earth actually has built?
>>584233018 I'm not sure how much I should or can mention here.
I guess I can mention that it has to do with gravity, in a way, but to really get a grasp on it, you must toy with the very nature of mass and matter. I doubt anyone will believe me anyway, and I hope I can hardly be incriminated by a 4chan post
>>584233517 That is a good question. I doubt that anyone on earth has access to a power source powerful enough to power this technology, simply because any civilization would have massive bargaining power with it.
But, as a researcher working on technology hidden from the public eye, I have to admit that there are probably a number of other teams working on other advanced technologies for the United States alone, let alone other countries. Some of these could very well be that power source.
I wish I had a definitive answer for you, but as a propulsion engineer I would not have the chance to work on energy sources, nor would I ask my superiors to be reassigned
I know this sounds like I'm a tin foil basement dweller, but do you think a nuclear explosion could power it? Various countries kept on "testing" atomic bombs, maybe they were also testing that as an energy source?
>>584233920 Again, every experiment we run with what systems we have rigged up is extremely expensive in terms of energy costs, but also in risk of damaging the prototypes.
However, the question of utilization in weaponry does come up. Call it an American stereotype or not, but potential use as a weapon is a bargaining chip for further funding.
Theoretically, what we have in our hands is a method to propel objects to extremely high velocities, meaning their mass alone is a payload. Their sheer kinetic energy would provide several megatons of destructive potential. This is a concept based on current rail guns, but we are looking at methods to weaponize this tech not possible with conventional technology
>>584234147 It is possible. This technology is different enough on a fundamental basis that it could easily have been discovered early on but abandoned in favor of more established propulsion methods. I don't think any historical researchers could have made much progress however, because of the issues with power I've already mentioned.
Nuclear energy is one of the main energy sources the power source group is researching. However, because this is a propulsion method, the reactor would need to be lightweight and scaled down enough to be installed on the vehicle. Currently we have several plants on-site to be used in a variety of experiments. Our research is not the only to be occurring on this site.
>>584234750 Start by getting a degree in advanced propulsion systems, or aerospace engineering. I'm not sure if I should mention this, but I was contacted out of the blue by a government representative. There is a lot of paperwork involved.
>>584232750 Can you talk more about the sections you've seen and how they led you to believe they were fir individual or small group use? This idea combined with weaponization lends itself to thinking this is essentially a "high powered rifle" you're analyzing albeit with incredible stopping power. Am I on the right track?
>>584234750 A PhD is a must, of course. They actually don't like high-profile figures, for obvious reasons, but your work must be technically impressive enough to get noticed.
Surprisingly, they're not as strict on the public life issue as I thought they would be. You aren't forced to cut off all ties to family and friends, just to keep confidentiality, of course. I still very much have a life outside of research.
>>584234518 Take this post as nothing more that a joke, but I think you're forgetting something. (I know, this still wouldn't have been anywhere near enough power for the forces you're describing, but if it was him who knows what else he built.)
Have you managed to somehow reverse the strong atomic force so that quarks repel each other? Are you using this energy to create anti gravity properties seeing how the strong atomic force is more than 40 orders of magnitude strong than gravity? Are electromagnetic fields responsible for guiding the thrust?
Wow i knew here where dumb people but not to extent of believing op. Are several known exotic energy projects currently in experiments fase that need tons of energy and NOT secret, like op's bullshit hurr durr ayy lmao technology, who says he doesnt know what it is, but now its a reactor. Fuck you Op, people here are enough dumb to believe you.
>I've kept you shitposting for 15 minutes, I could keep this up indefinitely (well beyond 45 minutes) and you'd keep posting, thinking you're a winner but you're only helping me make you look like an ass
>People do stay in threads for 45 minutes or even more
>>584235071 It's a very need to know basis. I've heard tale of weather control, but that may have been an in-passing jest. You can never tell here though.
>>584235098 I don't think the original design was created for destructive application, but that sure isn't stopping us from trying. Our control over this technology is embarrassingly imprecise, to be frank. It's not quite just an on-off switch, but it's close, which makes it easier to use like a rail gun than a propulsion method, even though we are categorizing it as such.
>>584235192 What do you think? If I came out to the media about this, my body would be disposed of right about now, but this is a public forum. I'm not sure if the public would ever be told of this from us. I think we typically allow the scientific community to discover technologies on their own, as deplorable as that sounds.
>>584234865 hydrogen fusion could be a power source. Attach it on a scramjet which uses electromagnetic force to funnel the interstellar medium (ionized hydrogen) and you'll have a fusion reactor without the need for carrying the fuel
Alright, so you're working on a gun that fires pods full of humans. How do you keep the pod from disintegrating and/or being peeled apart from opposing forces? How do you keep the humans from getting liquefied in the process? On top of that, how do you even get it to stop once it's reached its destination? Say a prayer and throw salt over your shoulder?
>>584235940 well then fuck off you cunt >OP makes gay thread >HHURR I HAVE WORLD CHANGING TOP SECRET ALIEN TECHNOLOGY GUYS ASK ME ANYTHING >"How does it work?" >OH I CAN'T TELL HURR I'VE SAID TOO MUCH ALREADY HURR
>>584236001 That's a good question, and a concern we're trying to address. We're not sure how the originators solved the problem of surviving the incredible accelerative forces they would be subject to, but we're researching our own methods.
A small team is currently looking into immersion in a medium that allows liquid breathing to disperse shear forces over the entire body, thus allowing the human body to survive much higher g-forces. We do hope that once we gain better control over the system, that we can assist in solving this dilemma.
>>584235940 >>584235940 Do we have the materials available to reproduce and even engineer prototypes of the sections you've analyzed or are you having to test using original pieces? How scalable do you think this is?
>>584236114 It would provide no more destructive power than nuclear weapons already do. However, it can be scaled down to however small your power source can be, meaning if you have a strong source small enough to be carried by a single soldier, he could potentially carry the payload of a warhead by himself.
>>584236339 Wasn't the liquid turned to plasma? It's been years, but I didn't think that had anything to do with dispersing force. >>584236073 What he's saying is interesting. Be gone. >>584236272 From what you've been given do you thing it was ever used for transport of life? Perhaps the last people that tried it kept liquifying themselves and gave up.
>>584236272 this medium already exists. It's called perfluorocarbon. If your "top secret government program" needs it's own team to figure out what any scrub can figure out by just reading a chemistry book, or god forbid, read on wikipedia, well then I'd think that's a little strange don't you?
>>584236387 Some parts given to us are very capable of being reproduced by our current technology. Others are decidedly not. A thought that crosses my mind often is that we are not being entrusted with the original pieces of the system, but rather pre-reverse engineered parts, which would explain the human-inspired design on some of the components.
>>584236339 Stop posting. >>584236272 What benefits would liquid breathing have if the object is still being propelled at an absurd velocity? Wouldn't the subjects then suffer the bends? I guess it depends on the liquid but it all seems really shaky
>>584236007 I'm actually wearing a parka, and nothing else on my upper body. It's colder than where I came from where I am, and it's more comfortable to wear a parka without a shirt underneath than with
>>584236523 Because we have seen both large and small-scale applications, I believe this technology has seen widespread use by it's original creators. Transportation is a common use of widespread technology, so definitely.
>>584236686 make me. they guy just says incoherent bullshit, first he didnt know what it is, then he makes energy experimetns on it already, then he sais its like a rail gun, and they want its system for propulsion and power plants.
>>584228849 If it's the interferometer obtained from the Greenland site. Don't bother I worked three years on it and the only thing it appears to do is create blue and green light flashes. It's useless. Also the neuro synaptic circuitry is broken. We got it only to measure to 23 newtons of force at 2100 watts of power. It's not worth it.
>>584236975 By far, yes. Previously I have worked on only conventional technologies, and very few top secret projects that still used technologies that are only slightly more advanced than those publicly known, and very much founded on modern tech. This is my first "big" confidential project, so to speak. Amongst my peers, I could be called a newcomer.
>>584231584 There is a power source not yet discovered by man kind. Once discovered it will be the last one and then claim our future In the stars. Screen cap this and show it to others in the future, it may not be the coming future but the future. It is the one last energy source we need and will find. Nuclear was one of the last ones but this one is 100 times that
>>584233542 To entertain the thought for a bit. So by this are you converting mass into energy and then moving the energy and reconstructing the mass on the other end using the energy spectrum or are you changing how the mass interacts with the higgs field.
>>584237639 While I did volunteer to be a test subject for our Faggot Beam, which indeed makes me a faggot, I am still efficient at my job, and I honestly cannot see how my gained sexual orientation has anything to do with my job or my posts.
We are making a 'humongous' version of the Faggot Beam however, so be prepared.
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