>be me a month ago
>go into a restaurant
>haven't eaten there before but have been told the food is great and affordable
>immediately after I am seated the waiter approaches
>he doesn't ask me what I want to drink or even introduce himself
>he says "Hello. How much will you be tipping tonight?"
>I say 25%
>he smiles and leaves
>my service for the rest of the night is exceptional
>the waiter is fast with my drink, he refills my bread basket without needing to be asked, and when my food is ready, it's delivered hot and prompt
>I leave exact change and draw a crude middle finger on the place mat in ink
Regardless of the country you are in, fuck tipping.
So much fucking win, I too hate how tipping is expected and how people want >10% fuck them
>he says "Hello. How much will you be tipping tonight?"
>he says "Hello. How much will you be tipping tonight?"
>he says "Hello. How much will you be tipping tonight?"
I live in New Zealand. Tipping is no normal here and is only ever seen in either exceptional circumstances where somebody has gone out of their way completely to help you and give you amazing service, or you have a small amount of change that is not worth going to the hassle of putting it back in your wallet.
However, due to the way some people are payed in the US (tips make up their wage because their local governments are too lazy to actually correct the issue) I would tip because it is an accepted custom in the area. But I do not agree with tipping.
I agree. Fuck tipping. I worked as a line cook for 4 years during college and the fuckstick waiters/waitresses don't deserve shit. Tip the cook and they'll always make sure you get taken care of.
alright then increased food prices and less people working(slower service) is what you want? if you are a peasant then don't tip. be a cheap poor bastard and get your food from the 99cent store. im sure the staple of most of your diets are doritos and ho ho's anyways
waiters and waitresses are supposed to tip kitchen staff. if they don't then it is your right to ask them for tips. this is how etiquette works. majority of you sound like you were raised by low lives
Not exactly. Waiters/waitresses are suppose to use the honor system.
For instance, a person makes 3.75 being a waitress. And say minimum wage is 8.75 an hour. That's $5 difference. Soit's expected she can pull in that 5 bucks in an hour. BUTTTTT, thpse fucks claim they didn't make any tips. So the company has to pay them the difference. The waitress then keeps the tips and pays no taxes, SSI, FICA, whatever on it. That's why they bitch about tipping. They want moire tax free money.
Suppose to and does is two different things. Never once saw a waitress dig a single cent out of their pocket for the cooks. And if you asked, the typical response was "Oh, I didn't make anything tonight". Which is horseshit.
The fucking bitchy waitresses would always get the wrong plates or wrong order. They didn't pay attention till they got to the table and then it was to late. You wanna claim no tips, then you'll get no tips.
if you cant afford to eat at a restaurant then you don't get to eat at a restaurant. dont fucking complain. there is plenty of affordable shit food for you to fill your fat face with.
dumb du dumb dumb. no rebudal for this level of retardation
I have a friend that was once a struggling actor. During this time he believed in the $1 or less per drink tip for when we went out.
Cut to a few years later and life has kicked his dream in the dick so he becomes a bartender like other failed actors. He now demands and makes a scene if someone doesn't tip a bartender or waitress 25-30% of a tab.
Needless to say I don't hang out with him too much anymore. He's also secretly embarrassed to tell people he's a bartender so he calls himself a "mixologist." Fuck bartenders.
I hear this argument so often and my opinion on it remains the same: I don't tip and no, I don't care if you think I'm a scumfuck for it.
"I'll spit in your food if you don't."
No you won't, because you won't know about it until after I'm done eating.
"If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't go out to eat."
Yes I should. It's your job to serve me. I pay for the meal. Your boss pays your wages.
"Servers get paid below minimum wage. They need tips to live!"
Not my problem. If you don't like how much you're being paid, get a different job. It's not my responsibility to give you extra money for your bad decisions.
You can't avoid claiming credit card tips (which are almost always >50% of payments if not more), unless you want to forfeit them. You can commit tax fraud to a certain extent with cash tips but it's not as easy as you're making it out to be.
>source: I work in a restaurant
>I'm not a server
>be me a month ago
>go down on my wife
>haven't eaten there before but been told it's great and affordable
>immediately after i am in position a man approaches from our upstairs bathroom
>some nigger i've never seen before
>"Yo what you lookin' at cracker?"
>i feel out of place and climb off my wife
>nigger jumps on her and starts pounding away
>"Yo cracker gimmie yo wallet!"
>"H-here you go."
Regardless of the country you are in, cuck tipping.
The name of the diner is Tall Cool One. The waitresses name is Courtney Temp. The site I found was from '12, though, so it's possible she isn't there anymore, but the diner is still in Cleveland.
Meant to post this..
But that sort of worked.
I more often than not tip 5-10%, because most wait staff is terribly inattentive and rude. If they are not exceptional at their job I wont go higher, and often do not tip at all. However, if I am done eating and feel I have truly been "waited" on, that my patronage was appreciated and I was shown respect, I will tip upwards of 30%, though this rarely happens.
See, if the service is exceptional, I will tip. If the waiter is inattentive and rude as you say then they won't get a single red cent extra from me. I don't reward for half-assed service, and that's exactly what tipping is: A reward. It's no different than letting your kid stay up an extra hour to watch a show he likes because he took out the trash without being asked.
I don't even want 'good' service, don't hover around my table fucking hell this is what I require from wait staff.
"Here is your seat and menus" *place water on table*
I look at them when i decide
"What would you like to order?"
Gives food, then goes away unless i need them
I finish eating, then I go to the counter and pay.
"How was everything"
"Do you need your receipt?"
"No thanks, cya!"
"Thanks come again!"
That's not something I need to pay for.
Yeah pretty much fuck tipping. Why would i give someone extra money for doing their job in the first place. Wahh we make so little money blaw blaw blaw. go fuck yourself. if you want more money then go earn it instead of expecting it you faggots
They are eliminating pennies in my country but I used to always tip one cent. That way they know I didn't forget to tip. If your job doesn't pay a fair wage then find another job. I know they are just waiters but surely they are smart enough to figure this out?
What country is this? I ask because America has eliminated certain denominations of currency as well (the two dollar bill, for instance), but that money is still accepted. I think that even if the penny stops being minted, pennies will still be accepted currency.
Canada. They still accept them but they are not given out in change or paid in change. everything is rounded up or down to the nickel. The mint doesn't make them anymore either. It's a pain in the arse.
I don't get it, them retards who drop out of school at twelve expect to get money off us for what there paid to do, I deserve my 50,000 a year because I worked hard in school. Them cunts don't deserve shit off me.
Omfg, most annoying shit is when they come around a hundred times while you're eating, How is everything? LIKE AFTER THE TENTH TIME GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME.
I remember one time I was at my favorite seafood restaurant in Philly. This bitch would not stop coming every two minutes to ask us how is everything or is everything good. I also have eaten crabs hundreds of times and ordered crabs at this restaurant. This bitch comes upto me and tells me I"m breaking the crabs the wrong and then takes the crabs from MY hands and starts to break it for me. I'm with my girlfriend for three years omfg if I was on a first date or by myself that bitch would not only not get a tip, I would have went up to the manager and explained how I"m never coming back to that restaurant again.
I feel the cooks who are actually making what I'm paying for deserve to be tipped, rather than the bitchy waitstaff who's too lazy to say something to their employer and expects me to pay them for walking from the kitchen and back, if you ask your buddy to grab you something, do you pay them for it? No, you don't.
Ex Dominoes Driver here, Fuck off.
I made good money because I had a year of psych major under my belt and I knew how to play people, but I couldnt stand not being able to predict my income. So I got a grown up job.
You should too.
Watch, "Hey Bartender"
It's a documentary on the bar, Employees Only, rated the #1 cocktail bar in the world.
The bar scene has been an ever evolving world where the people providing the service are small/local (sometimes huge/international) celebrities who do what they do because they're good at it.
They make fantastic money in an industry where no (formal) education is required. They're showman, they're artists, some of them are formally educated and bring that background to the table, but no matter where they come from they're very special in their own way.
>I am a bartender
>I am a friend to everyone who sits at my bar, it's like they're all in my living room and I am their host for a fun night of drinking and debauchery
>I control the music, the atmosphere, the ambiance, and the tone of the night
>I have no control over who walks through my door except to do my best to ensure they're all well taken care of
>I help facilitate the social atmosphere of the bar by being the most social person there. I have thirty bar seats I am tending to, that's thirty individuals with individual needs to be met.
>Even the guy who just wants a quick meal and a shot and to be on his way has a personality and with the right word I can engage him and make him remember me and his fun experience.
>I don't look at my tips until the end of the night. I don't want to know. But I do know that the level of service I provide guarantees me 25%+ per night.
>People who don't tip usually don't talk or if they do say weird shit and piss people off or make them uncomfortable.
>Denying a social construct doesn't blink it out of existence.
>It's more than just not tipping, it's standing in the face of society and telling it to fuck off. Go ahead. But don't expect society of appreciate it.
>Antisocial attitudes sort of preclude a good time in a bar atmosphere...
Blah blah blah...
Come in and enjoy yourself and tip. Come in and be shitty and don't tip. IDGAF, I'm still making money.
CAPS LOCK FOR ATTENTION
ITS FEDERAL LAW THAT IF A TIPPED EMPLOYEE DOES NOT MAKE MINIMUM WAGE AFTER TIPS ARE CALCULATED, THE ESTABLISHMENT MUST MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
I KNOW, A LOT OF BIG WORDS.
Those people sound cool as fuck and deserving of tips. Awesome, classy bartenders who mix my drink quick will get bucks in the bucket. Sexy bitches who smile and bend low when giving me my drink at my table will be showered with singles.
Manager wouldn't have cared.
He would have taken the server aside to laugh at you and you're fucking weird attitude and rant.
Then he'd probably go out back and smoke a cig with you.
Servers are trained to give a shit about their customers and their experience. Just because you're a fuckin' weirdo doesn't mean they'll stop...
Learn to cook crab if you want to be left completely alone at the dinner table.
I can't believe people have this opinion. Are you serious? You think tips are mandatory and shouldn't be earned? Johnny McDipshit deserves the same 20% gratuity as the kind, polite, quick waitress wearing the mini skirt? You're out of your fucking mind.
No, but I'm also not a fucking stingy asshole with my money. I'm not going to leave 30% to Johnny or the slut if they truly sucked.
But, if I got some cook to make me a hot meal that didn't kill me, some college kid to bring me drink and that said food, and then be somewhat pleasant about it too - I'm not going to say "FUCK YOU FOR WORKING"
What's what a Jew says. Seriously. A real, large nosed, star of david wearing jew.
>servers are trained
Trained for what? Bring a plate of food from the kitchen to the table? Make sure to walk with the left foot, then the right foot, then left again so as not to drop the food? I know that must be difficult for people like you.
This is from an earlier tipping thread and also is complete bullshit.
Same argument I see every time someone starts this conversation.
Most people who go out want more than a boring robot who only takes orders and brings food.
Just because that isn't something you appreciate, doesn't make it a false statement.
That's where celebrity servers and bartenders come from, excellent service.
Some of them are fuckin' famous. For what? Making drinks... But it's so much more than that.
Car salesmen are assholes.
They don't work hard - I've gone many a time, truly interested in a car, only to find out they know nothing.
I spent 15 minutes online reading about the car. I show up and the assholes NEVER believe me about options. "really, it comes with cruise control" Yes asshole, I doubt the multi-billion dollar company fucked up on their description.
Listen scrub, I went to college for six years and had to study about your health, medications, side effects just so I am able to dispense your medications when you go to the Pharmacy. In most cases I start a conversation with you and give you, your meds in under fifteen minutes. Why the fuck don't I get a tip? Because i'm not a fucking bum and I have a real job that doesn't pay less then minimum wage.
Let me know when your training requires longer than a ten minute introduction by your manager on how to do your fucking job.
>Most people who go out want more than a boring robot who only takes orders and brings food.
thats nice. I'm not one of those people. those people can tip if they want, I just want a robot. some countries have a touch screen to order and your food is sent to you on conveyor. I'll tip that piece of ingenuity before a monkey like you
I'm this guy
I don't earn tips, I've never worked in a restaurant. You just need understand the difference between liberals and conservatives (I'm neither) and most conservatives are against tips, not the other way around.
I was in a restaurant where I placed my entire order on an iPad. Within 20 minutes my food was brought to me. To pay, the iPad allowed me to close out my bill when I was ready. I swipe my credit card.
I went to college for four years and have a BS in chemistry with a minor in math.
I worked in a pharmaceutical lab for a few years and saw first, the BS glass ceiling, and second, the looooong walk to the light at the end of the tunnel.
So I took a few steps back and decided to kill some time while I look into other directions, probably PhD chem so I can lead research or teach, haven't decided yet.
So before you boast about your exciting career in as a pharmacist, really living on the edge there, just remember that there are barmen out there with masters degrees that just don't enjoy the work in their field.
Oh, and as far as being a pharmacist goes, you don't have a choice BUT to dispense medication and give advice, that is your ONLY job. If I walk in, not looking like a pill-hunting fiend, I can say pretty much whatever I want to you and you'll still give me my medications, because that's what you do, you give people medication. Shit nigga, you don't even prescribe it, you just reiterate what the read doctor already told them. Exciting.
Hop behind a bar with your skillset and see how long you float...
Definitely heard a hot little 22 year old chick say "DTFTB," last night. You'll never hear one say, "DTFTP."
And liberals want to be handed everything and taken care of for doing a shitty job.
>"I work 15 hours a week waiting tables, how am I going to support myself if you dont tip?"
Get a real fucking job.
You completely avoided the central point of his argument in that he helps people more than a server, has a much longer training period but he never expects tips because he actually made something of himself. Unlike a server who is literally coasting through life looking for handouts
I was in the Minneapolis airport waiting for a layover flight. It was a fancy looking place and the rows of iPad sitting at each seat in the bar got me to sit down and try a meal.
why do they even complain in the first place? they clearly get enough tips to survive anyways, or else they wouldn't be able to afford an internet connection to bitch with.
some people will always tip and some never will. this is a fact of life. what is there even to discuss?
I make 140k and am in my late 20's, I know two people in my field that are in their 50's and make 300k+ because they opened up their own pharmacies.
>Don't hav ea choice but to dispense medications
You're right but wait staff don't have a choice BUT to dispense my food. Otherwise wtf is their purpose for being there? That is their ONLY job.
You're right I'll never hear a 22 year old chick say "DTFTB" because a. I'm in a five year relationship with a 9/10 asian that's in her early twenties and DTFTB is a made up word.
I really loled at your glass ceiling comment though. How much are you making now? I literally don't have to do shit. How hard is it for me to dispense medications? Whereas you, if you're working in research earn less and have a more stressful job. Gratz.
Nobody gets out of school looking to be a server. It's a shitty job and that's why they don't get paid minimum wage; they know anyone who applies won't turn it down 'cause they fucking need whatever they can get.
Not a one damn server EXPECTS to coast through on tips and the ones who do end up being strippers for that same reason.
USA is the only western country that has a tipping culture, and it's so bad that wait staff literally get angry and offensive if you don't tip them for doing their basic wank job. Only time I tip is in Africa or if someone actually does something exceptional
Personally I respect the stripping profession more than the server profession. Like if someone told me they got a job as a server out of college I'd feel really bad for them but if they told me they became a stripper I'd just assume they were following their dream and accept it.
As for the >exciting
comments. Do you really think I got into Pharmacy because I was looking for an exciting job? Or a job that has incredibly good pay and little effort to work. While you're struggling at your job, taking your work home with you; i'm not doing shit and going home every day enjoying my paycheck.
Nothing, it's a made up word I even looked it up on urban dictionary; nothing. Down to Fuck and then TB is what It means I assume but I have no idea wtf TB Is. Throat bag? Tea Bag?
Oh yes, keep supporting the conservative cause. You'll definitely reach the top 1 percent. You're so dumb it's not even funny. Liberal politicians and conservative politicians stand for the same things.
>Bush lowers taxes
Obama lowers taxes for the rich further
>Bush goes to war in Iraq
Obama goes back to war in Iraq, Syria and was doing air strikes in Libya/Yemen
>Bush bailed out the banks
Clinton deregulated the banks
Down to fuck the bartender.
This thread has sort of devolved into two people with completely different life goals trying to show the merits of what it is they do.
I'm gonna duck out with this last one.
There's a feeling you get when you walk out the door at 4 am and lock up... It's indescribable. It's like a mixture of emotions, adrenaline, and a little liquor. Regardless of where my life goes or what I end up doing or how much I end up making, I hope, at least while I'm young and tough, that I can hold down a bar job at a cool place one day a week. It's a constantly revolving social scene of beautiful happy people, little drama here and there, but so much less garbage than the life I used to lead. By seeing people at their best and worst, happiest and saddest, it helps temper the bullshit of daily life by lending unlimited perspective...
You kind of have no choice not tipping the bar tender
>Don't tip wait staff end of the night
They can't do shit
>Don't tip bartender after the first drink
You'll wait several hours for your second drink.
True. But its a respect thing too I suppose, bartender being an actual profession in my eyes and one which deals with people at their worst on a constant, in your face basis. Servers get to walk away, the bartender doesn't.
Well that and a good bartender will know his booze and be helpful in that regard, even knowing mixes with skills he's learned. Waiters don't cook the food and likely don't know much about it outside of what they've been told to recommend