Do people actually believe this shit?
If you're still working on minimum wage, it's because you deserve it.
>also it's not as simple as just increasing minimum wage you uneducated fucks
There really isn't a problem, just masses of ignorant, lazy fucks complaining about this even though it won't change a single thing. People in power know how the world works, they don't.
>minimum wage should not be a basis for "livable wage"
Uhh... Yes, it should be. You do bare minimum, you get bare minimum. God bless capitalism.
>Implying that everyone can be a specialist making 150k a year and society will just fall apart
>Implying that the world will be fine without this majority of people doing the most important work for the least amount of reward
Actually, Australia's NMW is like, $13AUD and they virtually escaped recession in comparison to the United Fags of Wall Street Thieves and the European Cunty Union.
>OP attended one communityccollege class on philosophy and thinks he knows it all
>InB4 poor fag, I'm pulling £9.45 ($15.39USD) per hour
>be out of house, my own apt, self sufficient when I was 21.
>min wage fag
>did okay, money tight, but had it all dialed in
>was 26 in 1998
>mfw I have no face because that 1998 shopping cart for only $20 is total bullshit.
What the fuck are you trying to say? Seriously, put this into words I can understand.
>the buying power of my currency is equal to another nation's
the picture is inaccurate in all 3 time periods
That pic is so much shit. It should show the amount of groceries that you can buy for same time spent on work. $20.00 then, and now, are different in time spent to earn them, and also different in value/prices in the supermarket.
You are a fucking idiot if you think that people are poor because "they're lazy."
Either that or you were born well to do and you've never actually had to work to live.
Find a railroad spike and sit on it, you self serving cunt.
>Hi I'd like a job aplication
>Ok what are you qualifications
>I read a book
You're a retard.
Actually, they, and YOU, don't want to pay anyone anything at all for anything.
I believe anybody working 40 hours a week should be paid a livable wage. I don't give a fuck what you're doing. Currently the federal min wage is $7.25 per hour. That's $16k a year. Can anybody actually live off that w/out government assistance?
Yes and no.
From a socialeconomic point it should. The low(est) tier jobs should still pay enough to fullfil physiological & safety needs.
The problem is, that it would screw the monetary relation to jobs that require higher educated people.
In other terms: You'd have to adjust everyone's wages to keep it somewhat fair.
The problem isn't specifically the minimum wage. It's systemic greed. The profit these corporations are making versus what they pay is unfair and leads to mass poverty. More than 50% of American school children live in poverty right now. Look it up. Is that fair?
There are plenty of people with bach degrees who are flipping burgers.
>Implying that being intellectually supeiror gives you a better job
>Implying people are poor because they were enabled to be poor
>Implying that you are anything but a 14 year old
OP, YOU ARE TOO YOUNG FOR 4CHAN. Get the fuck off.
With each passing year, moderate income jobs are requiring higher and higher levels of education. Education is becoming more and more expensive. The days of working weekends and summers to pay for college are over. Low minimum wage creates a paradox where they have to work to get educated, but they can't educate because they're working.
>want to create a minimum wage so people can have a decent life
>end up causing more people to be unemployed so that a few can receive the higher wage
Fucking libs cannot into basic economics.
no. there are people working these entry level jobs hoping that with enough hard work and effort they will get a promotion and earn a higher paying job through ingenuity there are state programs designed to help the disabled to get entry level jobs but they dont work out as planned due to the fact that these people are disabled and things are a little bit harder for them to do most bosses dont care about the subject becuase they get a nice tax write off for emplying these people and since they are disaabled they obviously are mentally incapable of asking for a raise so this cycle of emplioying retards is what is slowly pushing kids from working these wage slave jobs.
Money is created with intrest by private corporations, cycles through the economy once and then back it the hands of the 1% of the 1% literally all money in circulation was just created with interest by the rich and it goes right through economy back to them anyways we pay rich people to let the economy fuction for no reason
> OP is POOR FAG
When companies like Wal-Mart are allowed to pay its workers near-slave wages, it is a blow to American taxpayers in the form of higher demand for services like medicaid, food stamps and loan subsidies.
If you support the minimum wage you are essentially taking money out of every paycheck and handing it to the "ape" that you so relentlessly hate.
Without minimum wage workers the world would crumble. Without them you would all starve to death because there would be no one to do the dirty work for you. So how about you show some gratitude.
>Cannot be understood over the quanity of silverspoons and dicks in my mouth.
It must register you as handicapped or something because that is a lot of silverspoons and/or cocks. It's all-right to be born like that, I suppose.
when the fuck are people going to realise the solution is not raising minimum wage, it's education.
in america a lot people either drop out or barely pass highschool. not only that but people are discouraged to go to college/tech school because of the cost and how its damn near impossible to be accepted to a decent collage.
mix that with people flooding into america taking jobs and the fact that american money is inflated as hell now and its hard for people to make money without and education,
>tl;dr get smart dumb fucks
Nothing wrong with minimum wage jobs. The issue is the existence of the minimum wage, which creates unemployment, drives prices up, and causes MORE people to need government support.
Minimum wage creates the problem it tries to solve.
keywords for global crisis and reasons everything will soon go to shithell :
>>Rothschild <=> Zionism
>>the fact that 1% of the richest hold 50% of all wealth of planet
*flies away* (from this planet hopefully)
>im lazy / waste money on drugs / too stupid to know how the world works / got some shitty degree/diploma in a garbage field just because i wanted to make my parents stop yelling at me to do something with my life / just lazy and fucking stupid
Just how ignorant can you be
I bet you also hate blacks jews people in general and yourself
>$20 then was worth $20 now
That picture is so flawed it's not even funny. However, people who put in bare effort get bare payment. Minimum wage does not mean go out and breed as many kids as humanly possible.
yeah fuck laws messing with labor and pay
let's go back to 84 hour work weeks, the invisible hand of the market will save us!
>surplus value goes to those that already had enough capital to own a means of production
It isn't a capitalism. Capitalism implies the market works on its own. When WalMart employers stop getting their employees onto benefits in order to cut costs, we can talk about capitalism. Until then, it's socialism when they want it and "capitalism".
the great thing about the US is that someone always has to be at the bottom, that's what makes the free market system work. Someone is always being screwed over, most people sometime in their lives get screwed over.
The beautiful part of our country is that those people at the bottom don't have to remain at the bottom. They can move up while others move down. That's called freedom. people think that classism is happening in our country and while they're not entirely wrong, they are wrong because of the fact stated above.
The reason niggers and spics (mainly niggers) stay at the bottom is because they have a victims mentality. This is a mentality that is poisoning our youth as well. Kids but mostly niggers are growing up thinking the world owes them something. You have been born in one of the greatest countries on the earth because of our free market system, a man is worth what he makes himself worth. You can't ask for a better advantage in life.
The uneducated think CEOs and board members earn big bucks and should pay the workers more (McDonalds). Those higher ups worked their asses off to get there and they have created countless jobs for the masses. SAY FUCKING THANK YOU. If they pay you more they are gonna have to close stores to not pass on that cost to the customer and there will be massive job loss.
Moral of the story, people who bitch about minimum wage should go on youtube and learn basic economics and give higher ups their credit. The bosses (for the most part) didn't just stroll in one day and just accept money. They don't sit on their ass and earn millions for doing nothing. No Niggers, they are better than you and deserve more than you.
Of course there are exceptions but this is how our country works overall.
did i strike a nerve, anon?
People who complain about being poor:
>did no research as to how they'll have their preferred income
>did jack shit after high school (assuming they've graduated)
>contribute jack shit to society past minimum wage
>have zero arguments in a thead like this as they pull bullshit statistics out of their ass
7.25/hr at 40 hours/wk is an income of 1200/mo.
Mortgage on 35k is 245/mo
Landline telephone $20
What else are you spending your fucking money on? An unlimited cell plan with your iphone10? Thats not minimum.
Are you retarded? Not everyone has opportunity, some people are doomed to have a low paying job, sometimes due to a low intellect, there financial status, or current situation. Some simply do not have the chance for a higher education. This could even be attributed to the views of ones family. Regardless a minimum should be able to offer a minimal for life. This should include food, shelter, and basic transportation.
Don't believe this shit for a damn second. People are in poverty because they fucking made themselves in poverty.
Look at the worst places in the states. Go to some shitty ghetto where everyone says "DA SHILDREN DUN HAVE NUFF ED-YOU-KAYSHUN", take a stereotypical black kid who fucked up, and ask them "Do you think it's a good idea to skip class?" "Do you think it's a good idea to be spending your money on pot"?
These kids will look you in the eyes and say "No".
People are just stupid and lazy. Capitalism is survival of the fittest. Just like human nature. If you don't put any effort in, what the fuck do you expect to get back?
> a minimum should be able to offer a minimal for life
At others' expense? Why? What right does someone have to take money from someone else (by force), simply because he needs it to pay for basic necessities?
ahah its epic how USA is the first country who should look over again their so called "freedom" and shit.
you should change that word's meaning into something meaningful for your current state... for example NSA or "brack friday bunduru" faggots , you are ruled by 0.0001% of your population , which is exact number of how much smart people u have there , and thats ok , natural selection , stupid consumers ruled by smart bankers and corporation's monopolistic ideas , 9/11 fake , you are 99% fake in the eyes of history and fucking universe and you wonder about little things as in "why cant i buy bigger tv" hahha pathetic , soon...soon..
>because people are going to feel they're lucky for having a job at all
That's perfectly reasonable.
I'm surprised America isn't already doing pic related
Minimum wage was never designed to be lived on. It was made for teens to get a taste of being in the workforce while giving them some spending money. That's the whole crux of this problem.
Are you fucking serious dude? This shit is well documented. It's called credential inflation and it is a major issue.
Regarding the op, 50k in a household used to be plenty to get by and save for retirement.
at 60k per year, we struggle to put anything away after paying our bills, which include student loans, which brings me back to the above.
It is possible to live on minimum wage in America.
>source: I did it for several years
You know how? I lived modestly. Studio apartment. Ramen noodles. 5 channels of national broadcasts on a 25" TV. Nokia phone. One credit card for emergencies only. I didn't knock up women all over town. Yeah it sucked, but I was independent. And eventually I studied and got my MBA with minimal assistance.
So yeah, for you dumbass nigs and white trash out there with flat brimmed caps and 6 kids and gold chains and 20" rims... Fuck you. You're doing it to yourself and you deserve to starve to death in your trailer.
This is the ultimate future for all jobs, barring some sort of global catastrophe. Automation is inevitable, and it starts with the easiest shit.
>muh spinning jenny stealing muh jerb
>muh printing press stealing muh jerb
>muh computers stealing muh jerb
Adapt or die.
It has nothing to do with people complaining about being poor a basic understanding of ecomonics indicates that the ecomony would be great if minimum wage was higher
You are a fucking looser looser looser i bet you are ugly to be this recreationally bitter
I don't want to be THAT guy but if you think this is troubling, come live in Easter Europe.
inb4 lol literally where
It's easy to sign me off as some irrelevant shithead but the truth is, I'm no less worthy then you. I'm decent, honest, not a bad looking, educated and can speak fluent English.
And there's millions of people just like me - who were dealt a shit hand at birth and got born in a 3rd world country.
We don't cry about not being able to buy a whole shopping cart with 20$.
We're angry we still have to live with parents while being 26 because minimum wage is 350$ per month, while are prices are more or less the same as in USA (except rent which is bit lower). Unemployment rate amongst young people is like over 50%, you simply can't get a job unless you know someone important, no matter how educated you are. We have PhD's working as clerks 'cause they don't have connections with political parties / rich people / local hotheads
Someone who's like 25 and has a job in his field, his own apartment and car is regarded as a golden god
Because having read a book will totally get you employed.
Employers look at work experience and degrees. Have no work experience you need to get lucky, have a connection or get a degree. For the latter you need money. Unless you have rich parents you need to work a job. That job will most likely pay minimum wage.
See the dilemma now?
>if you only have a high school diploma
>if you have a real education
Again its not a perfect world. Nor am I saying the minimal needs to be much higher. However if the average cost of living rises, along with the minimal, then a pay scale should be adjusted accordingly. Now do not confuse me for someone who has sympathy for those who are just to lazy. I'm directed to those who may be in college. Not all families support their child through school. While they can get grants and so on. Those do not usually cover home expenses. Secondly there are some who just are not able to work a high paying job, whether this is due to an injury, disease, or overall intelligence. This could also be attributed to the chances in life one has (not everyone lucks out).
i dont need to , i dont live in fucked up country like usa nor is english my first language , you are going to be pushed out by niggers and spicks anyway hahah enjoy while they fuck your daughters
I grew up in a fucking garbage environment. Went through horrid drug addiction, extreme depression, anxiety, etc. Parents didn't support me for shit. I only wish I had the balls to talk to someone and get government support to make my life easier when I was 16 and juggling two jobs just to keep myself alive. I was a fucking idiot back then, and most people were too.
I got into trades, I researched my fucking ass off to find the best route for someone in my position who didn't want to study my ass off to become a lawyer or doctor. I am now making $38/hour in the HVAC field. I love my work, and it feels great that I earned my reputation.
People aren't stupid, just fucking lazy. My respect for you goes out the fucking window the second you start complaining. Unless you have a legitimate disability, you have as much of an opportunity as anyone else.
And when people talk about politics and economics like they have a fucking clue... If you really think raising minimum wage actually fixes any "problems" people in poverty complain about, please leave this thread and google economics 101 or some shit.
No. If you're banned from attending university, don't have the necessary credit rating to apply for a loan, or haven't the means to save money while working (+)2 minimum wage jobs, it's fucking difficult to become and educated fuckwit as opposed to one who's uneducated.
>then again, it's not like taking fucking English in an engineering course is going to make their cursive any more legible
Minimum wage should stay the same.It's for 15 year olds just trying to earn money for video games and their own spending instead of their parents.Yes, I know some people need money for college but don't get enough but if we gave that 20% of people that are in this situation 10 dollars an hour then we'd have to give the D-average high school stoner the same amount and high schoolers make up about 50% of minimum wage jobs.The other 30% is high school dropouts btw.
Most of current shit-tier jobs will be done by machines. You'll have unemployment at like ~40% and shit's gonna hit the fan.
There is no way to adapt. It's not about education. Sure, everyone could go study to be an engineer. But does anyone need 100 million engineers?
It's fascinating, because it will all happen in our lifetimes.
>and how its damn near impossible to be accepted to a decent collage.
So much this. Even mid-tier colleges need you to have +4 GPA (we can argue if it's fine or not, but I can't argue with someone who tells me he doesn't have the need to waste his life learning useless shit just to hope to get into college just to hope he'll get a job - even if most people has the capacity). Then you look at Europe and most countries (aka, all of Europe except UK) have it right: public colleges which expand to meet the demand, and the most demanded degrees accept people in order of grade priority (and the grades are set by a homogeneous and national-wide public system). There's ALWAYS some degree with open places.
Add to that the homogeneity of colleges due to their public nature - no shit/great colleges or prestige bragging (muh my Ivy League), all of them are pretty good and well considered.
If you compare the ratio of college places/population in the US and in European countries you can get a good laugh. Most US gigantic colleges have at most 4K freshman, while colleges like the University of Valencia (Spain) have 20K freshman each year.
ITT: poor people mad not realizing that they are squandering their opportunity
>can speak fluent English
so emigrate to america silly