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>>601015408 I disagree. We are finite, if you sample an entire population, you can, relative to your perspective, attempt to quantize the entire data set down and then normalize that range. I'm not fond of working numerically because it tends to incur error or give the delusion of more completeness than you really have, but that is the case, With enough information, there is a "normal" of every ideology.
>>601014531 come on dude. a 6 day mediation to prove to yourself you're disciplined enough to do it is not close to being worth an insightful 20 minute session. cut you're feigned humility and tell us what you discovered if you can. if not fuck off. i'm not even trying to be edgy either, it's just super fucking lame if you actually did that and now all you can think to do is answer random questions on /b/ about it. just fucking tell us what you experienced.
>>601016399 Certainly. In a wet fast you must wear a nappy and soil yourself, hence it is wet. Then a dry fast, you pour sand down your japeye. For only one who has sandy a sandy bell end knows the way of enlightenment.
It was silence. Pure silence. Not the silence we think of from noise, but silence in the mind. No thoughts. Heart beat becomes slowed. Breath is slowed. The morning light comes thru on the second day and stays for the entire 6 days alongside the darkness of night. Neither become more important than the other. The details of light and darkness along side silence breath and mind join together. Just being with no thoughts, my mind is like an empty cup floating on an ocean of water, teetering, balancing, not filling up.
Okay I feel as if OP is huge faggot liar. If you actually did this fasting and shit. Then why are you on here answering questions about it??? You fucking share that knowledge you dont just answer random fucking questions. Are you kidding me? What did you really do? Play with your dick for six days? And you're a Buddhist yet you come onto some thread site. Why are you finding out more and learning and doing something more useful then answering these random questions. I strongly donot believe you one bit. Lol. No you seem to be a fraud in my view. And if you're a fraud go fuck yourself this is a new age dont taint it with false accusations of yourself and false information.
>>601016382 It doesn't suck. I awaken from mediation with perspective. A sense of deep impermanence. It helps me to be a better husband and father. I think that is why my wife is very open to these meditative practices; she knows it is good for all of us.
Ask yourself this... Should darkness be aside light at anytime? There should be no. Darkness. At. All. Obviously you cant find the light properly if you have this grim darkness aside your light. You wanna pass knowledge on and actually help humanity?? Dont answer random questions, fucking share your knowledge right now everything you experienced in this fasting, what did you find?
>>601015240 ive done dry fasts for around 4 days. any more than that and it really starts to mess with you. 3-4 days should be fine, nothing unfair about it to your family. >>601017201 >recovery aaaaaaaaaand now i know you're full of shit you worthless faggot. theres nothing to recover from after a measly 6 day fast.
>>601017794 dude. you're so bland. just so fucking bland. you haven't shared one fucking insightful thing in this entire thread. i don't think it would even be possible to exude such lameness if you actually did what you claim. therefore, i've decided that i don't believe you. i think you're just a guy that lies on the internet for attention.
>>601014531 This guy is so over the top lieing on this one to. He is right about one thing though, he is ugly. LOL Ahhhhhhhhh more cuzing from this wonderful man. What a crock of crap he tries to spew! It's doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, seriously, I've never heard anyone in this church EVER say that. What a bold face liar this guy is. These things that he claims are taught to be said are just plain bold face lies. Where are these phrases supposed to be taught? Is there a class that it's supposed to be done in? NO! There is no such thing in this church and he well knows that! I have never seen anyone try to get a way with such lies in all my life. He is in for a very rude awakening when he gets to the judgment seat of God I tell ya that. Another thing that is actually humerous about this guy is he claims to have been a member for so long yet it's obvious that he never understood the teachings he was taught. The Goodyear example was just plain stupid! His litle laugh is so telling as well. I would really love to find out where these classes are that we are supposed to be learning these things from because there isn't any and these phrases or programming he lies about are false. Under the radar, Gee where is under the radar? What an idiot this guy is. So if there isn't any testing in this world, then what are the troubles that we face? Again, how stupid is this argument. He obviously sits around at his little desk and computer with his eye glasses and thinks up this crap and does nothing else. Don't listen to a word he is saying because he is a huge liar!!!!!!!!!!
I'd be more apt to place weight in your statements if either of you seemed capable of communicating why. I'm not going to live my entire damn life merely interpolating artificial depth to buffer for other people's inability to even understand their own thoughts well enough o explain them.
Get to it, or stop responding and ask yourself why you spoke to me to begin with.
>>601018300 >born enlightened No. Born with lack of delusion via lack of substance. Illusion is formed as ideas of existence, truth, and reality begin to be constructed. That state is not enlightenment, nor is it tabula rasa.
I'm not certain that a self meaningfully exists as we use the word. Nor an "I" that goes beyond a mere state. But I would say we're born with intrinsic logic and the affordances of our body as a system define our processing of stimuli. The rest cannot be tested for and is intuition, speculation, and instinct at play. We can't know if reincarnation happen, consciousness transcends the material, if we truly are machines in reductionist reality, etc.
There is a lot to be said about self image. It hinges on what one considers being "given".
There is more to life than self image and self fixation. even if every single thing you ever see, interact with, or experience, is only ever yourself.
The only issue here is you don't acknowledge ambiguity and instead choose blind certainty that your ideas are enlightened and others are invalid. Typical.
>>601018436 Depends. Everything you see and experience around you, could be argued to be only you. Everything is formed and given form by your mind's logic. It's all ideas in your head from information you gathered and processed.
None of it is a 1:1 representation of reality. It's all you. Everyone around you... also, they're you. When you see them, or are you seeing your idea of them? When you look at others are you seeing their being, or are you simply looking in a mirror?
Everywhere you go, you create. You create everything, when you die. Everything goes with you. It's as though you are God and the universe.
Not a comfortable thought in some ways, but arguably a truth on some level.
>>601019217 >There are plenty of cases where, in the context, you have all possible knowledge.
There are none. You're of finite mind.
You created an abstract system, but does it really mean anything? Is there a oneness, a twoness, a threeness? Do discrete quantities actually exist to give reality to the statement "2+2=4"?
Even language. If you knew every part of a language, you wouldn't have have complete knowledge of how other people string it together or view it themselves. Your usage is still limited by lack of information, despite supposedly having complete knowledge of a system. It shows the knowledge is not so complete.
You cannot prove 2+2 will always equal 4, if it even does right now, or if those terms are even meaningful.
>>601019362 Guess enlightenment is likely impossible then. We quantize everything we take in into a range we can process and comprehend in perspective. it's a not a choice, our conscious mind is locked out from those elementary forms.
Oh well. I guess I'm decently enlightened naturally. It's a shame more people don't understand how to hold onto information and give it varying weights in an overall framework of knowledge without assigning a trueness, falseness, or whateverness to it.
Sounds like we don't agree with the base fundamentals of things. People are certainly not born enlightened, infants are wired form rapid learning, and that very much means making judgements and constructing things.
>>601019534 I'd be able to re-evaluate it if I was given information that caused it to rebuild in a different way. At present, I have been given nothing.
Hence, spending my entire life fucking around, lying to myself saying I don't know anything, and interpolating artificial meaning and depth to other people's nonsense they never seem quite inclined to follow with anything, which ultimately obsessively rehashes what I already have in my head and says more about me than anything else.
If you have something to say, say it. Otherwise I'm going to sleep. I ought to've been there a long time ago.
>>601019786 Instant of birth, not having memories of the shapes to assume the shape must be the memory
I hate saying this guys name in every one of these threads but read about the life of Richard Alpert. He was concerned about these kinds of things and wrote what happened to him. Talks just like we do.
>>601020169 In truth, I have spent much of my time living a double life. I feel as though I was killed at one point, and replaced. I'm someone else who has a younger person who is supposedly me's hacked together memories. Such thoughts are uncomfortable, and eventually I attempted to abandon them and seek internal unity. Acknowledge and accept these memories that I had locked away and disconnected... probably.
There are a lot of holes in my memory. And there are a few segments I can see, they're visible. I know they exist, but I cannot access them. My mind pushes back. I have a lot of hazy memories that may or may not even be real surrounding that time period and various other places. At a certain point I had to move on. Psychologically I am already split well beyond reconciliation, not just in a real sense, but in a sense where I would even desire to become truly one.
I do have a lot of early childhood memories. Some trippy things. Things I can't quite explain. My mother used to tell me "look, he's been a baby before." Perhaps I'm running from my inability to put things together coherently, maybe I just got sick of it and it doesn't matter anymore. I'm me. Whatever that might mean.
Buddhism makes far too many philosophical assumptions for my taste. I guess I'm just not into it.
>>601020306 Can you simplify what you said without losing any meaning.
I get that there's no way to know if what we experience actually exists out there or is "in our mind". I also understand that we don't know if there is any difference between "us" and the rest of reality. So, no way to know if other people exist.
My current thought on this is that we know nothing for certain. You might say "The only thing we know is that we are here right now experiencing sight/sound etc + memories + current thoughts"
However, since there's no way to prove that "logic" is 100% truthworth, really, we don't even know if we know nothing at all or not.
So there's no good, final say on the topic of, what's the only thing we can say is definitively true.
>>601020388 You are observer, eye is webcam, your brain is the application
enlightenment is when you're seeing the colors in the camera, not the 3d model of the picture the application made for you
>>601020306 This kind of stuff is where people get into the "planes of existence"
Changing the elementary forms your psyche uses to understand things
Oriental religions have the highest plane as "being with Yin and Yan" The people in this state of mind don't "see" people and animals and rocks and plants, they only see yin and yan and know that everything is those two beings dancing with each other
No, they see all the colors and shapes you see. They understand all positive things as being the same entity, and all negative things as another entity.
Hindus have a step higher than this where it is all one being dancing around itself _______
Enlightenment would be the ability to see what you are seeing now as each of these things, depending on which you wanted to.
>>601021135 The path of least resistance, or the heuristic the makes the least assumptions, varies in how correct it truly is.
But, I agree with you. My external environment, and my memories, all tell a similar story. The path of least resistance is, despite a lack of any real proof, to just go along with em. Probably correct, and even if it isn't, how would I know and would it even matter. It's real enough, real as it gets.
>>601021202 This way of seeing is not a foreign one to me. Most sorts inclined towards sollipsism have likely come to understand that the notion of concepts having any absolute relevance relative to reality is not correct, and can be morphed around. Rearranging the elementary logic driving how things are perceived. is it a tree, is it a system, is it a spectrum of affordances intertwined with many others? Or perhaps it is not a whole at all, but just another part. Made of wholes, made of parts.
I suppose enlightenment would be to embrace this way of functioning yet again, on a deep level, yet not be driven to misery, delusion, and madness by it, again.
I didn't reference the guy Richard to get insight from him, just know what happened to him and how his life went because of how he took the situation haha. Buddhism is fun to watch different kinds of minds make observations.
All the thoughts and memories you are mentioning sounds a lot like what I went through after graduating. Finally get the balls to contact my mother because I was getting myself to believe I had superpowers and dynamic control over peoples opinions
she fucking told me I was the second coming of christ My mother told me she calculated my name to be the tetragramation higher than "yahweh" YHWH being Caleb spelled with an Aleph KALB
All of that is observing the data as it is, and not building a picture from it. Do you know a rabbit is running in the woods, or do you have "running" and "rabbits" and "woods" in your head and made a picture out of them?
^^^ that kind of mistake used to be made throughout my life and it lead to forgetting which conversation I was in, and fear over if I didn't say the thing I remember I said I wouldn't be in the same one anymore, allllll kidns of crazy things
To get out of the crazy I observed all data as it was
>>601022167 >Do you know a rabbit is running in the woods, or do you have "running" and "rabbits" and "woods" in your head and made a picture out of them?
Only now do I understand. You are talking about decoupling logic and language, and allowing each to grow separately. Have perception expand apart from such things, without having predefined puzzle piece concepts to cobble it together from. I don't know if I've not thought of this in a while, or if I never have.
It reminds me of when I was 5 or so and was being taught to read. We were driving down a highway and I remember in this instant as we passed a sign I realized it was no longer a choice whether I wanted to decode the symbols written upon it. Was automatic, I was forced to know on that level.
Maybe I sensed the mental slavery imposed by language. Maybe I was just unenrved by something I couldn't really properly put in perspective. I don't know.
I'll keep mind what you've said here. To be honest my life is empty and lacks any clarity. I've always lacked structure and clung to a lack of definition. I'm not if this idea will actually be positive, but I must think of it nonetheless.
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