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>>604130214 >The double high five Nigga she already got a double high five, afterwards she went for the hug and got denied. Whether dude was actively denying her isn't relevant because the result is the same if he was or wasn't. She dealt with it well, though.
>>604130378 Glad im not the only one who thinks so. It looked like no one other than the first guy even noticed she was going for anything, we've ALL had that happen. It's only these autistic retards in this thread that think that's rejection cause they got so fucking butthurt when it happened to them.
>>604131852 then the point >>604131517 made is right, its her fault and youre white knight damage control of constantly switching blame off every one but the person at fault here isnt getting your dick sucked yo
>>604129632 does it bother anyone else that whores go for these gamer faggots now? i mean when i was growing up the thing was to be ripped as fuck, and i mean if they werent after your dick at least you knew that you werent trying hard enough. but now its like dude, that guy is a toothpick...
>>604138582 that bitch got rekt. why is it that females think its unreasonable for their men to break up with them after they basically tell them "your dick is good but i also want other dick"? I will never understand how they find that acceptable.
>>604130032 Afraid, not paranoid. Its with good reason sir. when youve seen whats at the bottom of all of those vaginas, you just dont want do dig in. It results from The fact that the rational part of the brisn overrules the libido.
>>604139297 Humans didn't evolve for monogamy. It's not really wrong to want an open relationship - she even asked him before doing it. Now, if she'd cheated on him, that'd be 100% different, but simply discussing it doesn't seem like a big deal. I would have explained with absolute clarity that I wouldn't allow her to do that, and if she couldn't accept that then it'd be over.
You can't expect to enter a relationship with a person and have them turn off their sexuality to anyone else. That's not how humans work.
>>604139569 he had made it clear throughout the relationship he was traditional and monogamous was the point. i understand there are people who are involved in open relationships, but from what i read his standpoint was pretty clear. and this has nothing to do with humans evolving for monogamy, we didnt EVOLVE into ANY kind of relationship, we arent beasts. we have individual preferences.
>>604139805 >his standpoint was pretty clear True, but it's not like she went out and fucked someone. She simply raised the topic.
> we didnt EVOLVE into ANY kind of relationship, we arent beasts. we have individual preferences. That's wrong, pure and simple. It's not a matter of opinion, you're just wrong. I don't say that to be condescending.
>>604139805 Um... our preferences as a population *are* statistically determined by evolution. Which, admittedly, is not the same thing as saying that our individual preferences are highly predictable. Or that the overwhelming majority of evo-psych shouldn't be considered bs (it should).
Carry on explaining that you can't trust a woman not to be duplicitous after you give her everything she wants and she asks for other dick on top, though ^_^
>>604139569 His views were clear on it, and he had no reason to think after FIVE YEARS that she would want to be with other people.
The moment he brought it up, the guy had a number of choices: Accepting simply wasn't an option, so that leaves talking things out and bailing.
Now, the guy could have talked it out and things would be ok. But for how long, really? Would the girl REALLY be ok with not fucking other guys just because the guy says so? Even if she is, how would he know that for sure? I mean, after five years together she wants to fuck other people, who says the desire won't go stronger?
Bailing, while extreme, avoided all of that convoluted nonsense and saved both his and her's time.
>That's not how humans work. Says you. Many people can hold a stable relationship without needing to fuck anyone else.
>>604140638 >His views were clear on it Yes, I get that, but she didn't actually do anything. You can argue that someone who raises the topic is more likely to cheat - and I could agree with that, though it depends on the details, and she didn't seem to be fooling around beforehand - but simply discussing something is not like doing it.
Look, humans are not monogamous animals. We're not "meant" (evolutionarily) to stick together for life. You can't expect your partner, male or female, to never, ever, ever desire sex with others. There's nothing wrong with getting an appetite outside, so long as you eat at home and all that.
>Would the girl REALLY be ok with not fucking other guys just because the guy says so? I can totally see this being a problem. Depending on the girl, I might also worry too much about her cheating, and that's just a cancer on the relationship.
He could've been right if she was already sort of untrustworthy, but if there were no problems whatsoever, it seems a bit hasty to throw away 5 years because of this.
>>604140638 >Says you. Many people can hold a stable relationship without needing to fuck anyone else. No, says biology. It not about "needing", it's about "wanting". Do you seriously think that people in stable relationships are magically not turned on by hot people? We're not machines. It's not a switch you just flick. Whether you can control yourself is another matter entirely, but everyone - every fucking one - is turned on by attractive people of whatever sex they desire, stable relationship or not.
>>604141608 no one is arguing that people in relationships dont find other people attractive, in the end its about each individuals values and whether they have self control or not, as you said. its common sense they arent going to be attracted ONLY to the person they are with, its about whether they will act on it or not.
>>604141287 >You can't expect your partner, male or female, to never, ever, ever desire sex with others. There's nothing wrong with getting an appetite outside, so long as you eat at home and all that. You said it yourself. It's impossible to not feel attracted to toher people, I get that. But it's a different thing entirely to pursue or enable someone pursuing you.
>He could've been right if she was already sort of untrustworthy, but if there were no problems whatsoever, it seems a bit hasty to throw away 5 years because of this. That's what I said he was extreme.
>>604141608 >Do you seriously think that people in stable relationships are magically not turned on by hot people? Everyone's turned on by hot people. But it's a different thing altogether to actually pursue them, or to take steps in order to do so. Some people just don't appreciate it because they can be monogamous.
>>604141868 A lot of people act like the mere fact that she raised the question of an open relationship - something I believe everyone want, if they're honest with themselves, at least on their side of the relationship - is a terminable offence. I don't believe it is.
>>604142033 Meh, you might be right, but so what? Unless she actually did something, no harm no foul. I can see the point you guys bring up about how he might not trust her to not be worried she'll cheat on him, and if that's the case I get it, but if that's not an issue it's pretty hasty to throw away 5 years of solid relationship, don't you agree?
>>604142245 >But it's a different thing altogether to actually pursue them, or to take steps in order to do so. But she didn't do this. She asked him if he was okay with her doing this, but she hadn't done it (or so she says).
Hell, I want to be able to fuck whomsoever I please while having a girlfriend who doesn't sleep around. While my sexdrive is ten times higher than any girl's, I still expect her to want pretty much the same thing. I can't blame humans for being human. Of course acting on those desires is completely different, but I'll just repeat that I found his handling of the situation rather hasty.
>>604141287 The guy didn't want her to fuck other dudes while being in a relationship with him, the desire was there. He then dumps her and his problem is solved. Dude was out for himself, doesn't matter if the relationship was 5yrs, 50yrs, he did what everyone with a little self-esteem would do.
>>604131771 Attractive looking, sure. But i watched his long ass videos and read as much of his writing as i could stand. He was a schizo without a soul or a personality, off his meds, afflicted by collosal ego and closet faggotdom. A sane person would have just been aware enough to know he was gay and go munch them cocks, but he lost it and festered. A youtube nigger who gives tips on pickups hazed him hard a couple days before he flipped out, used his video and critiqued his body language and mannerisms. That hm hm hmmm laugh. Yeah he had looks, and a sucking black hole where his sense of self should have been, of course he had to detroy a few people in a whimper of fail.
>>604142647 >the desire was there. The desire is always there, with everyone. Every single girl you'll ever meet and enter a relationship with will have the thought: "If I could, I'd fuck that guy". Every. single. one.
This is not the actions of someone with self-esteem, this is the overreaction of a fool who's too insecure to handle the fact that he's in a relationship with a human being. Or, possibly, the actions of a man who knows his woman is untrustworthy, in which case I understand.
>>604142636 By asking her bf about it, expressing her desire for sex with other men, she was taking steps in order to pursue said sex. Maybe not with anyone in particular, but expressed to wanting the freedom to have other sexual partners.
And, yeah, the guy was hasty. Extreme. I can't be sure that he doesn't have any issues of his own, but I see his reasoning and maybe project my own insecurities into the situation, but I believe he saved everyone some hassle. >Of course acting on those desires is completely different, Exactly, cheating is a choice people make.
>>604143093 >Every single girl you'll ever meet and enter a relationship with will have the thought: "If I could, I'd fuck that guy". Every. single. one. Every guy does this as well. Including me.
But being in a committed relationship means you will not ACT on these desires. That's a big part of the commitment.
Now, if you believe in open relationships, well that's you. But understand that not everyone does, and there are things you don't do while in a comitted relationship.
Did the guy overreact? Hell yes, but at least he didn't drag this shit out, if he was feeling insecure/didn't trust her.
>>604143446 Actually "no motivation" is code for "content with living like a bum his entire life", "raising children in a bum environment" (if he even wants kids, I imagine the woman did) and yea, "not going to treat her to anything" too. Basically, from her perspective he sounds completely disinterested in her and what she thinks. She's pretty justified in her actions. You guys are white knighting for some dude.
>>604141608 >>604142245 I understand that no matter what, humans will be attracted to other humans aside from their significant other. My dilemma is that my girlfriend doesn't. No matter how I try to convince her, or explain the situation to her, she refuses to say she finds another single human being sexually attractive. >I'm like, "what." So now whenever I give away the slightest hint of being attracted to someone else she flips. She expects the same mentality from me, which I can't understand. We've been dating for 4 years and always has been like this, never cheated.
>>604143788 >expressing her desire for sex with other men, she was taking steps in order to pursue said sex Not really. I don't consider it "taking steps" unless she's going out looking for some dick. She only asked him if he'd allow it, something every fucking girl (and guy, as you said, only with pussy) would want.
>But being in a committed relationship means you will not ACT on these desires. That's a big part of the commitment. And she didn't. I'm not taking steps to do something if I'm asking permission to do it. If I ask my accountant if I can do XYZ with my money, and he says I can't because it's illegal, I haven't broken the law, have I?
What all this comes down to is simply that humans secretly, or not-so-secretly, all want to be able to fuck whoever they want. I want it, girls want it, everyone wants it. I wouldn't get mad at my girl for admitting she's a human being, unless of course she went against my wishes and cheated on me, which is utterly unacceptable.
>>604144248 >"content with living like a bum his entire life", >in other words, "content with not getting rich" Your woman is showing.
>Basically, from her perspective he sounds completely disinterested in her and what she thinks >basically, from her perspective he sounds like he won't get rich and she can't leech off him in the future Ah, women.
>>604144307 >My dilemma is that my girlfriend doesn't. No matter how I try to convince her, or explain the situation to her, she refuses to say she finds another single human being sexually attractive. That's a lie. I refuse to believe your girl is a machine. If some guy sweet talked her and had rockhard abs and made her laugh and all that shit, she'd get a little tingling sensation in her pussy, no matter what she says.
I don't know her, but maybe she says this to be 100% sure you don't think she cheats, because she likes you and don't want to lose you. I'm biased because I'm a cynical asshole, so take it with a grain of salt.
>>604144248 She fell in love with who he was, not who he could be. Her feelings would've only been justified if she was treating him to expensive meals, working her ass off and splitting all of the bills with him. A good relationship is a partnership. If you were partners with somebody and they were expecting a lot without putting anything in, would you ditch them and find a new partner? I would.
>>604144510 Are you seriously this immature? Try going back to living in the movies where women like guys that do nothing with their lives. This is the real world, women don't really find that shit attractive. And there's a pretty big line between wanting to be treated like a girlfriend and wanting to be treated like a queen.
>>604144787 Yo I'm saying I don't even believe her when she says those things. I'm asking for advice on how to just have her open up, you know?
It is literally impossible to be sexually attracted to one person on Earth. I understand that. I know for a fact neither of us would ever cheat, that's not my dilemma, it's the fact that she claims to not feel anything towards anyone else. At all.
>>604144307 Honestly I don't know what to tell you. Maybe that's just the way your gf is. You can't quell all her insecurities, but as long as you make it clear that you won't act on that attraction she has nothing to seriously worry about.
Personally, it's a bitch to notice your girl is attracted to someone else. It makes me mad, in an irrational sort of way. I express this in a calm manner and she doesn't mind me getting jealous, because she's sort of the same.
>>604144354 You don't consider it taking steps, but maybe he did. I sort of do.
>I want to fuck other guys without breaking up with my bf. >What's the first step? >Asking my bf.
And your analogy doesn't really apply. Your accountant couldn't care less about what you WANT to do with your money. He has no personal stake in it. It's not like a relationship.
And it's not the same to say "I think that guy/girl is attractive" to say "I want to sleep with other people".
>>604145114 >Try going back to living in the movies where women like guys that do nothing with their lives. I never said I didn't expect women to be gold digging whores. I know full well that women only fuck upwards or sideways in income/social status. I just find it funny that they're so blatantly being gold digging whores.
I never denied "real life". I find it amusing that women blather on and on about being stronk, independent womyn, and then turn around and demand their man earn more than they so they can leech off him.
>>604144354 >I'm not taking steps to do something if I'm asking permission to do it. If I ask my accountant if I can do XYZ with my money, and he says I can't because it's illegal, I haven't broken the law, have I?
No, but you have expressed a desire to do that thing., and having a desire for something is the first step in doing it.
>I wouldn't get mad at my girl for admitting she's a human being, unless of course she went against my wishes and cheated on me, which is utterly unacceptable.
The logic behind him leaving her is that if her desire to have sex with other men is strong enough that she is willing to bring it up as a serious option for their monogamous relationship, then she is not someone capable of sustaining monogamy long term.
Even if she agrees to stay monogamous she will still have desires towards sex with others that are strong enough she will act on them. All it will take for her to cheat is the right combination of an "unresistable man" and being "sure that he will never find out".
>>604144874 >If you were partners with somebody and they were expecting a lot without putting anything in, would you ditch them and find a new partner? Sounds to me like what she did. Admittedly, I am kind of giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she was pursuing a career of some sort. If she wasn't then she really doesn't have a leg to stand on, but as I typically associate with women that want to be productive, I tend to project that. But yes, you're completely right, if she wasn't putting forth any effort into her own career then she would just be being a leech and whatnot.
>>604145372 >And your analogy doesn't really apply. Your accountant couldn't care less about what you WANT to do with your money. He has no personal stake in it. It's not like a relationship. Eh, the point in the analogy is that I'm not breaking the law by asking if I can do XYZ that happens to break the law, just as I'm not cheating on my GF by asking if she's okay with me acting out on my completely normal desires.
>And it's not the same to say "I think that guy/girl is attractive" to say "I want to sleep with other people". It's pretty much the same thing. Attractiveness is about sex.
None of this really matters. All humans want to fuck all the time, regardless of committed relationships. The only thing that matters is whether you can control that desire. She, seemingly, could. Only if he couldn't trust that she could does it make sense for him to break up with her.
>>604129632 i dont know that i would call it alpha but this chubby girl asked me to prom because no one would ask her. i felt bad for her so i rented a tux and got her corsage and shit, the boys and girls line up at opposite ends of he theater floor and you both walk in join hands and walk off together. right before we lined up she said she was going to a party with some other guy. really bitch. i waste my money on you and you whore off. lol ok. so when we join up at center stage with like thousands of eyes on us, i casually walk off the the left and she was left on stage alone. every started laughing and clapping. felt bretty gud
>>604145503 >The logic behind him leaving her is that if her desire to have sex with other men is strong enough that she is willing to bring it up as a serious option for their monogamous relationship, then she is not someone capable of sustaining monogamy long term. Maybe it wasn't, we don't really know. All I'm saying is that he acted a bit hastily.
>Even if she agrees to stay monogamous she will still have desires towards sex with others that are strong enough she will act on them. You don't know that. You don't know if she'd act out on them or not. She very well might, of course, and maybe he thought so, but I don't consider this self evident.
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