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>>606249135 Shut up you big ugly cunt this world is fucked and you know it. If you're gonna talk like this go make a Facebook post about it and tag your immediate family members in it and your only girlfriend who's stayed with you longer than 3 months because you let her walk all over you and you don't see that but everyone else around you does.
>>606249135 They're not threatening, they're just wrong. Gender is literally like binary, there is a 1, and a 0. That's it, transistors can be off or on, that is the summation of existence. 0 or 1.
This is basically making new definitions for things that don't exist, if this book were in binary it would read:
1 - A number assigned to a 1 at calculation. 0 - A number assigned to a 0 at calculation. 1/2 0 - A number that identifies as half-way to 0. 1/2 1 - A number that identifies as half-way to 1. 1?0? - A number that can't decide if it wants to be a 1 or a 0.
Gender far from binary, thats like saying boys cant cook and girls cant play baseball. The only reason their are other categorys is because dumb fucks like you think their a rules on how a boy or a girl should act.
>>606249533 nigga this isn't new learn, some history of humans boyo it's a brain condition brah it's not a dissatisfaction and it's not a sexual orientation if's literally your brain telling you that you are the wrong gender with gives you body identity disorder basically if you ahve any type of disorder similar sadly the only way to "cure" it is to help the person achive a level of livable dysphoria. This is not an actual special snowflake "I no like being a male wahhhh" it "i have never felt male(or female in some cases) to the point it hurts"
>>606250151 third gender is essentially an acceptance of having characteristics of multiple(both) genders it's ancient as well and has been part of certain cultures for thousands of years. It fits under the trans umbrella but it's more closely related to intersex which is a medical condition sort of like a mix of trans and intersex along with social pressures and shit also not new
>>606250221 >scientific proof >by women who aren't scientist or even the leading experts in a field that could legitimize the hypothesis. Yeah, no... no it's not a real thing. It's a mental disorder. There is a reason why every single person who identifies as non-normal genders also has borderline personality disorder. They are mentally broken and seek to comfort themselves by creating a falsified reality. Instead of coming to terms with their gender and accepting our shared realities views. For gender classification of sex we have male/female/hermaphrodite/missing chromosome. Those are your choices. You can identify with another sect all you want and by all means that is not unhealthy. There is nothing wrong with being a "tom boy" or "sensitive guy". However you are still one of the four and genetically you can not change this after puberty, without going to lengths of superficial surgeries that mean nothing. >pst, also people who get plastic surgery or use hormones to change their appearance often have a personality disorder. That is quite common to the point it could be factual, however I'm not egotistical enough to state that without citation.
>>606250182 That's biologically not true. People can be born with a shit ton of weird sex chromosome combinations. And identity is a whole wide spectrum of things. A person can't change their sex chromosomes, but they can change their identity.
Also, you know there are numbers between 0 and 1 in binary, right?
>>606251586 >>606251325 It being a disorder in books doesn't necessarily mean it's true or was correct, this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/2o02ul/cmv_i_think_transgenderism_is_a_mental_health/cmih4oh Explains it better than I do, with way more citation I can bring to the table, I encourage you guys to read it and if you've got a counter-argument I'd be willing hear and change my opinion
>>606248632 i like how the cisgenders are "binary" and "assigned" with slightly pejorative tone to them, as if us "normals" have "conformed" to the "biology" that "nature" "dictated" to us at "birth." "identifying" with something doesn't mean you are that thing, and yet here we are.
is this even feminism anymore? is this just what millenials actually believe? what do you call this fucking idiocy?
>>606250807 >>606250807 Hold your fucking horses, I didn't say anything about how either gender should act - I'm putting science against personal preference here. And that's all it is actually, is a personal preference about your own identity. Gender is completely binary, if you have any other ideas it means that you're not willing to face the facts to yourself, or you haven't come to a conclusion that science has already made for you, you dumb fuck.
>>606252121 actually many feminist hate trans people because it breaks their preconceived notions about male born people etc they are called TERFs(Trans exclusionary feminists ) and they are a big group in the feminist community many also thing girls should be political lesbians
>>606248632 I dont want to live on this planet anymore. I will never accept anything other than male or female, you are not equal, you are a faggot that didnt get enough attention from your parents. if you hate your life so much you need to change your gender do the world a favor and remove your pulse.
>>606251915 This is assuming sex and gender are the same thing. Yes, being born a male and identifying as a female does not change your genetics it does change your societal role as long as you play the part. You will always be born male and you will always have that chromosome, but you can do traditionally womanly duties no problem.
Just because genetics dictate our sex, it doesn't uniformly dictate our societal roles as much as it did before, such as men being hunters because of our ability to have game sense and 30% more muscle tone simply because they were built for that. If sex and gender were the same you'd see the same roles played across the world uniformly as gender is, and that simply isn't true.
>>606252854 You know what's disappointing to me about trans people? You would think they'd be distinctly aware of how much culture is tied to gender role. Instead, there's often this borderline otherkin, I was "meant" to be male/female sense about them. As though masculinity and femininity have that many unifying characteristics across cultures.
I think if I'd been born about 20 years later than I was, I'd probably be identifying as agender right now. I grok personal identity, and I grok biological sex, but I don't see how somebody's mind can have a gender. To me, thought is inherently genderless. I thought that was true for everybody; there weren't male, female, or "other" thoughts, just thoughts, and you could think any of them and you'd still be what you are physically. Apparently, not everybody sees things that way.
>>606250807 See, I thought dumb fucks deciding that only girls like to cook etc was the reason why there were boys "identifying" as girls to start with. They like things society says they shouldn't like so rather than just going "oh well I guess the stereotypes are fucking wrong" they decide they must be females on the inside.
>>606252878 First off, your brain isn't it's own entity capable of independent thought - you are your brain, and your brain is you. That shit is as basic as you are. Second, that in mind, "I'm in the wrong body" and "I would rather be a different gender" are interchangeable as fuck.
The problem is labels. You used to act however you wanted to act and didn't have to explain or justify it to anyone. Now you need a label. Books are judged by their covers more than ever in 2015. Not having to interact socially with humans saves time. More time online with text. Text and labels.
>>606252524 I don't even consider them legitimate researchers anymore. They based their theories on nothing factual, and then tried to legitimate their theories on what the people said they felt they were, not on what was actually happening in the persons body/head that may make them different than normals.
>>606253750 I'unno. I'm from the midwest and the two MtFs (one successful) I've known both seemed to be transitioning because they wanted to adopt traditionally feminine characteristics, rather than some dysphoria. Says a lot that they'd go through what they went through just so they can feel socially comfortable.
>>606254289 Oh! I get what you're saying now, that transpeople become trans because they dislike the cultural roles they play versus actually being transgender. Actually in the transgender community "TransTrenders" are ridiculed, because they're watering down the seriousness of it all.
Like in the 1960s imagine the civil rights movement but there are white kids joining in and saying they're black too, and they feel the opression. That's not true, they're feeling opression because they're uneducated hippies that smoke pot and smell bad and are simply bad for the community.
>>606254664 Is this like a physical characteristics thing or a social characteristics thing? Because they could've been displaying those social characteristics to the people they're most comfortable around first.
I'm from the midwest too and don't know a huge amount of transgender people either.
>>606255063 I maintain asexuals are missing out. Then again, a heterosexual would say the same about a homosexual, so what the fuck do I know?
>>606254785 Yup, something like that. Not that the "meant to be X" spiritual-level trans are much better. I genuinely don't care what people want to do with themselves; I just wish they didn't feel as though they needed a justification.
>>606248632 >books have all kinds of tolerance shit in them >government changes forms to have eight thousand gender options >forms come in with 99.99% of people identifying as cis >we tolerance now >eventually revert to normal now that the incredibly vocal minority not identifying as cis has shut up
>>606252854 a trans male is a female who thinks she is the sex male in a female body, so she goes to lengths of superficial surgery to transform to a male. This is sexual gender. She can not be male. Because her genetics still state female.
gender roles are an entirely different argument. and even then Tumblr-fags do not use their terms correctly. A male who fits into a traditional female role is not trans-female He is a beta wave 2, submissive male. A female who works in a traditional male role and sexually is more aggressive is not a trans-male she is a alpha spectrum, dominate. It's not hard.
>>606255397 Well it's like anything else, people are stupid, bottom line, people want acceptance in stuff and justification because they can't handle someone saying "That's stupid". They need an excuse for it.
As long as you act the part and look the part that's fine, or at least try, there's a status quo for something.
>>606255682 Pretend the trans person is deluded, that all the science around gender dysphoria isn't so. Worst case scenario, you get a non-passing guy/gal. Whereas your grandfather wants to kill Nazis.
>>606255397 I'm sure asexuals aren't missing out, we all are. Sex is pretty distracting. Like, I could get so much shit done if I didn't ever do anything to have sex. Especially since I've had life experiences that are better than the average sex experience.
>>606255682 This. They want to be treated specially, BUT without any negative connotations attached to their decision to live that way. I say they get treated just like every other "special" case, to promote the equality they care so much about.
>>606255785 They're not uneducated in the least, they just simply choose spirituality and children of the earth type stuff over actually doing something, Armchair Activists have always existed you know.
>>606255063 >transexual Somebody didn't pass third grade biology! ohyou.jpg The term you're looking for is hermaphrodite. Human hermaphrodites can not reproduce. Frog hermaphrodites can actually fully change their sexual function for reproduction. Humans can not A person born male will be male no matter his physical change. Same with female. Exception of less than 0.01% of population who could possibly be a hermaphrodite and guess what, those people usually don't like the attention called to them. Any person claiming their sexual gender is not that of their birth gender is a retard, quite literally.
The problem with the science behind gender dysphoria basically boils down to one thing:
It got too hard and they took the easy way out. Simple as that. There is NO difference between Dissociative Identity Disorder and Gender Dysphoria aside from the fact that Jack wants to be Jill instead of Jack wanting to be Klork'on from the sixth circle of hell.
>>606255682 If you want an actual answer it's because your uncle has a build-up on CSF in their brain and can be managed with experiemental treatment and medicine works on him.
For transgender patients that doesn't work, medicine doesn't help and it has to do with a brain-body map mismatch, that is not completely understood, but is thought to stem from these people having brains that are similar to more middleground brains between that of Males and Females.
>>606255609 Oh, well the few I know seem to adopt social characteristics without ever even trying to fully transition sometimes, y'know? And I maintain that gender roles are cultural too and have had conversations with them about it and all of them seem to have agreed. The two trangender people you know might not think that though. Who knows.
This is all fucking Nietzche's fault if you ask me, Him and all the other faggots that embraced oppositional dichotomies as the only way to live life. Now we have people acting like stereotypes are hardwired into people's minds. The transgender movement is taking a gigantic step BACKWARDS for civil rights. You are literally assigning yourself a stereotype that you then embody, instead of just doing as you please. "Gender" isn't a real fucking concept outside of sex, you are simply categorizing people and demanding that stereotypes be enforced and that you are treated like a "girl" should be.
>>606250963 >i have never felt male(or female in some cases) to the point it hurts That shit's the part that's just come out in the last couple years. Latest fad in people who want to feel oppressed. Big thing used to be being gay, then Transsexuals. Then that wasn't enough so now they're a third gender! or Gender fluid!
>>606248632 I'm genuinely curious why 4chan is so butthurt over this stuff. What other people call themselves has literally *no* effect on you. If people want to call themselves transgender or vampires or otherkin or Aryans or bronies or whatever, it's no skin off my back. Call yourself whatever you like and enjoy.
Since most of the current inhabitants of /b/ are young, white, suburban, middle class teenagers, my guess is that y'all feel threatened because you're unsure of your own sexuality. You're still fumbling with Becky-Sue's boobs through her sweater and worried that you might not be all-man or have a satisfactorally long penis or whatever. It's pretty obnoxious to dump on others to cover your own insecurities, anons.
Yet within the definition of psychotic or some sort of "crazy" you get the whole "can cause harm to others or oneself" in it.
I'd say irreversibly fucking over your genitalia so you can be pretty or butch while simultaneously injecting yourself with hormones for no medical benefit other than your feelings is pretty god damn self harming in my book.
Sure, I don't care what heroin addicts do to themselves, but that doesn't mean heroin is legal.
>>606255682 Because the United States objectively isn't at war with Nazi Germany in WWII right now. Not that anybody should be shitting on your grandfather when he has fucking Alzheimer's.
If someone thinks they have XX chromosomes when they objectively have XY chromosomes, no one will take them seriously. But if they think their personality is more in line with one cultural perception of gender over another, that's not really an objective thing.
>>606257030 I agree with most of that. So, assume I'm a relatively sane dude and I decide, tomorrow, I want tits. Just for the sake of 'em. Love 'em. Is there anything harmful with that, provided I don't have some semi-religious notion that I should have been born with them?
Here's the thing though: No matter how much Bobbi wants to be Bobby there are limitations on how much hormone therapy can do. There's a good chance the female to male Bobbi won't be joining the military soon because she cannot build the muscle mass a natural born male can.
And try as much as they like Jack turning into Jill is never going to experience the joy of childbirth because the newly made Jill HAS NO UTERUS OR WAYS OF BEING ABLE TO CREATE A CHILD INSIDE OF HIM/HER.
Transsexuals truly wish to be the opposite gender/sex they were born into yet none of them ever complain about not being able to make children.
I find that odd considering how "depressed" they are that they are not the opposite gender until surgery is done.
>>606257016 It'll affect you when at some point in your life you meet some fag who is extremely adamant that they are some multigender fag and get on you for referring to them as anything other than such, but I guess I see my life heading in such a way where I will have to interact with people in the future.
>>606257398 I'm not the anon you're replying to, but it's literally the way the brain is shaped, it's not that of ultramasculine, or ultrafeminine, nor that of regular male or regular female, and is generally more inbetween, leaning toward the gender they feel like they are.
>>606257208 So what? What do you care? Why does it bother you? I really don't get it. I avoid using certain words all the time so I don't make someone feel badly. It doesn't cost me anything, it doesn't hurt me, and it makes me feel good when I can make someone else feel good. Seems like you folks get totally butt-blasted over the stupidest fucking things. I mean, billionaire robber barons are looting your entire economy and sentencing every single one of you to a lifetime of struggle and poverty, but here you are popping blood vessels over calling someone "he" or "she" or "sie" according to his or her or hir preference.
>>606257016 But your post reveals the actual problem with it, other things like the gay rights movement have been about what a person has the right to do themselves. The Transgender movement isn't about that, it literally is about how other people treat you. You want your own pronouns, and for everyone to go out of their way not to offend you. That's not civil rights.
You're a guy that wants his own set of tits to play with. You still recognize that you're a male and you have the capability to create life with your penis. Both males and females have breasts. You just want to make yours larger.
Now if you were clinically depressed that you could not feed a child with your tits then yes, you would have a mental illness.
This is true, America is not at war with Germany right now but in my Grandfather's mind he firmly believes he's back in his old glory days and wants to be seen as a soldier/combatant.
Why do we not let him do so?
Because he would bring harm to himself and potentially others. Sure, transsexuals probably won't be killing anyone in their delusion any time soon but we also shouldn't hand them a free "chop your penis off" pass either.
Sometimes I don't understand why there is such an extensive list of identities considering anything that isn't male or female is indecisive and shouldn't exist.
Personally I'm male but I commonly refer to myself as female for my feminine demeanor and looks and stats, but I'm unsure about who I am, so I guess I would be considered genderfluid, but I feel feminine so I just consider myself female. There's a difference between your biological sex and your psychological sex. When they don't match, you get this.
>>606258059 Why not? Why do you care what someone else does with his penis? Christ, you people sound like a bunch of fucking christers with your nose in everyone else's business. The saddest thing is if you people got your way, you'd create an oppressive, conformist culture which wouldn't tolerate the existence of 4chan for a hot second.
because: gender = behavior society expects from you sex = biological appearance identity = what you know the minute you see someone else behave the way you feel faggot = everyone responding to this thread
So why are those who are transsexuals given this pass to be "normal" but let's say I, as a white guy, firmly believes I have "soul" and identify as an African American.
I cannot go out wearing black make-up and coating my body to look like a black person without possibly being killed.
Hence the whole "transnigger" joke. Yes I do understand that those who are transsexual have been murdered in the past because of it and I am certainly not advocating for murder but the simple fact is if I went up to a doctor tomorrow and told them to make me into a black person I'd be thrown in a padded cell.
>>606257923 Cis is an easy way to say, born male, am male, to clear up any confusion when discussing this, as it's shorter than saying Male Assigned at Birth and Male presenting or whatever.
>>606258096 Your question, I'm getting at is what makes a male brain male and a female one female, I honestly can't answer that as well as I should be able to, but I can give you a rough approximation for arguements sake, Male brain has patterns and folds are appear with the introduction of testosterone? I think? and gives men a better sense of game sense, while women have bigger portions than men in certain areas because of their ability for pattern and world sensing or similar. Something I know for a fact happens is that when a female orgasms it lights up certain parts lets say A and D, and when a male orgasms it lights up B and C, when a M2F transperson orgasms they'll light up A B and D, similar to that of a female's brain.
>>606258137 Because it's an innovate approach to the idea of gender that is fundimentally flawed, a good try, but flawed
>>606251405 >it's ancient as well and has been part of certain cultures for thousands of year
Bullshit, not in the way these idiots use it. The "ancient" version was women who dressed up as men to be men in society. Oh, so shocking. It's cross dressing is what it is. This new shit is completely different.
>>606258232 >>606258267 0.101 is a number between 0 and 1. (1001/1101) is a number between 0 and 1. Just because the numbers are represented with 0s and 1s also doesn't mean they're not between 0 and 1.
Ah fuck it. I give up. I think you kids are probably too stupid to do anything but repeat talking points. That's the problem with youth; no matter how many times they grow up and learn how to be human, there's always another generation of narrow-minded little idiots to replace them. Good night, kids.
You would be correct there as well. Although I would also like to point out a fundamental flaw with the SJWs and their "trans" crusade.
That bitch from Ukraine who wants to be a human barbie.
SJWs hate her. Loathe her. They shame her for what she wants and here's the kicker: She doesn't do all those surgeries and shit because she's depressed or anxious or has low self-confidence...she just wants to do it.
Is she insane? Probably, but the fact that SJWs hate everything she stands for just goes to show how fucking wrong they are about transsexuals.
>>606258813 Binary doesn't have decimals you ignorant fuck. Its a state. On or off. On is represented by a 1, but it is not 'one'. You cannot add two 1s and get 2. you really should lurk more. Or at least skim the wiki before you try to pretend you're qualified to speak
I meant "soul" in the same sense that James Brown has "soul" you illiterate son of a bitch.
And do you honestly think with primarily white genes if I decided to die my skin black I would ever be looked at as a legitimate black person? Fuck no. Look what it did to Michael Jackson. Everyone still knew he was a nigger deep down.
>>606259172 It's willful ignorance on your part to not want to look this up. I know I need to now, but you're trying to argue and troll, and that's not what an adult does. I hope one day you understand these subjects better and I hope I do too.
You have a penis, or a vagina. If you do not, you are retarded. Disabled - deformed, and wrong. Science says it's binary. Bang whoever you want, dress however you want, but don't try and pretend your genes are bullshit, because that makes you a faggot.
>>606259094 Not the anon you are talking too, but the no-harm principle is fundamentally flawed, and not an argument. CP is illegal and so is animal abuse. Society can not function with unlimited freedom for individuals. This gender role stuff is just another attack on society as a whole. At least the Russians understand it.
>>606259282 The SJWs are just the second coming of Andrea Dworkin and her sex-negative, except-when-it-suits-her, right-wing-allied "feminism". I don't really see a lot of difference between them and the Bible thumpers.
This subject does bug me. I say OK you want to pretend your something...fine. But if you're a trap don't even think about trying to pick me up. You could wind up seriously wounded. Another thing that pisses me off is the douchbag convicted murder who think the state of Taxachusetts should pay for him to have a "sex change" operation (no such operation in my manual). He's serving a life sentence for murdering his wife and thinks that living as a man is cruel and unusual punishment. They've been bouncing this around for years now. I think some court allowed him to have hair removal treatments and they probably have paid for titty hormones. If he is allowed this change does he expect to be transferred to a women's prison? I say serve your sentence and then you can have it if you can pay for it from your grave.
>>606259573 I read what you wrote, not what you meant, you histrionic child. If you wanted to mar your skin, that would be your business. Hell, add a propeller to your back and call yourself plane-kin, for all I care.
SJW's should be killed pol pot style. what a bunch of hollow pathetic people who have no sense of uniqueness or identity so they make themselves feel special by labeling themselves bizarre genders to feel special. This is a result teaching every kid is a special snowflake and giving trophies to kids for participating.
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