How advanced do you think the world's superpowers (Russia, China etc.) are as of 2015, in terms of military capabilities?
my current fetish is my sister and i had a dream a few nights ago, one of those ultrarealistic ones you know?
so we're in her bed, and we're making out, and it feels like we're making out, and then all of a sudden my mum is up at my ear, smiling going LALALALALALAL like really loud
so loud it woke me up and i could still hear it
freaky shit man, true too...
I don't understand why people continue to think the USA doesn't have an amazing, if not the best, military in the world. They just shove so much money into that fucker how could they not? Do you do it out of spite?
>Implying Russia spending is anywhere near that if the U.S.
US is probably the most powerful military in the world but they aren't all powerful. They mostly pick easy targets. Fucking Afghanistan or Iraq. They are the high school bullies of the world.
And remember their failure in Vietnam? Even a bunch of farmers with outdated equipment can successfully fight against the "most powerful military force in the world".
because it is.
just like india and the rest of asia incl malaysia.
And we don't EVER eat dogs. Malaysia is very different than it's neighbors, but if you're Chinese this is the worst place to be. Because it s kinda like niggers in america, some Malays despise us.
I bet china is so god tier that it doesn't even have to flex nuts with other countries.
because it is. most of china's population is in ultra crowded highly polluted cities filled with malformed babies, company stores (you get paid there but you buy everything from there and fall into debt), 8 year olds smoking cigarettes, constant corruption and collusion between the military and government leaders than makes america look like our military industrial complex isn't bad.
rich fuckers in china will literally buy towns to build dams and shit, then use the army to kick people out and flood their land.
it's china, shit hasn't gotten better, they just hae more shiny crappy shit and a lung full of tar was the down payment
tldr it's a libertarians dream
I dunno, the Russian SU-35s and T90 are pretty damn good, though they need more of them to compete. Russia has the world's third largest airforce (#1 being the US Airforce and #2 being the US Navy), and I think they have the largest number of tanks (but many are outdated). Russian navy sucks balls though.
Russia has the technical know-how, just not the money to fully modernize their military. Though Putin's working on that (promise of upping military spending, although we'll see if he can keep that with the current Russian economic crisis).
The problem is America enters each war being way to nice. No one has seen America be really aggressive. If we just busted in with no regard to civilian casualties then shit would go off. Remember what happened last time a serious attack was carried out on US soil?? Yeah go ask Hiroshima. We are all to political trying to be nice world police. If we ever say fuck it and just go to wipe a country off the face of the earth its over.
Because Putin does the propaganda shots for fun
and the chinese
don't even try propaganda?
>never go full retrad
Ukraine and the baltic states would disagree.
Hell, Lithuania is starting to draft 19-26 year olds for war, just like countries did in WWI and WWII. They're shaking in their boots 'cause they know Russia's stronger than they are (Lithuanian military only had 15k soldiers until recently, kek)
because usa is the only country with improved hydrogen bombs. usa always chooses the weakest target. never in history has usa attacked a bigger super power. To name a few:iran china russia. Thats because usa knows. The losses will be bigger that the gains.
Usa was the best till second world. Now they still might be the best,but the world is a bigger threat.
china in terms of being advanced is around India.
most of their shit doens't actually work if it's high tech. it's like the north korea bullshit superweapons.
nigga, the real world is ENTIRELY DRIVEN by money and is exactly like a video game. Obama logs in like clockwork to do his dailies. They have 5 times more military budget - they have a VASTLY superior navy. Their aircraft carriers and cruisers are what keep them on top. Nobody could launch a ground offensive against USA because they wouldn't fucking get there.
Oh i agree that i would not want to fuck with china or Russia. Im not saying US would roll over either of them. It would be a long war with massive casualties on both sides. Probably boil down to who shoots off the nukes first. But at the end of the day i think USA would emerge victorious of either china or Russia but not if they maintain the same kind of restraint the normally do. They would have to throw global image aside.
>they said that before pearl harbor
>then we fire bombed dresden and nuked the japs twice and whiny pussies bitch about us dropping nucks
>they said that before 9/11
>14 years later off killing, let's be honest after half a million dead from americans directly
>stupid motherfuckers still saying it
tldr i know you are probably trolling but the thoughts make me laugh
We fully realize we lost 58,000 men for no god damn good reason. You can stop with that stupid ass shit. You sound ignorant. You idiots lost 58,000 in a single day before fucking noon at the Somme, so shut the fuck up
It's part of the whole claim to the South China sea thing. That archipelago is the most heavily contested area in the world right now. China actually appealed to Russia for a support deal (Russia supports Chinese claims in Senkaku/Diaoyu, China supports Russian claims in Sakhalin), but IIRC they refused, probably because Russia's making bank selling oil to China.
>this dipshit thinks drunk Slavs with rusty half-repaired migs and WWII rockets stand a chance against the US
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.
lol you must believe all the nk super weapons
nah bro. my guess is a splinter state gets a hold of nuke and it goes to berlin or paris. turns out it was like arab state and ww3 starts
no they didn't, no one said it back then
also back then you guys had money, now you don't
my point is you all are too proud to realise u lost. keep bringing your shitty arguments for why not, and how u did compared to others. the reality is that US has nothing but a bigass ego to go with. (wich also gets hurt pretty damn easy)
What a great fucking idea it was to recruit gang members into the military; not to mention foreign citizens.
US = last days of rome.
Lol u should read about Grenada war where USA had a hard time beating a couple hundred men
same goes for Germany and Russia
it isn't military that makes a country strong it's the General's their plans their knowledge of battlefield how much battle hardened soldiers they have
take the case of Afghanistan where NATO lost 15000 soldiers against untrained lightly armed mmujahedeens now consider a country with navy airforce battle hardened soldiers and home advantage USA will never be able to control it fully
although I think no country can beat USA
but USA also can't control an above aaverage army country
The thing is,next world war will drag whole world in it. If a nato country is at war,other nato countries will be draggd in. It will be a total world war. The west vs the east. USA EU vs BRICS and iran. Armageddon.
The threat is that Russia escalates shit and either destroys half of Americas lucrative European market or flips out and ends civilization as we know it.
The amount of money isn't so important when it's being squandered. How much wastage is there in the US military budget? On top of that the way US military spending seems to work is more based on propping up the manufacturing sector than buying anything useful. They might be the best but nowhere near where they could be in terms of efficacy compared to their military spending.
you have no clue where i am from anon, the second US goes actively into ukraine, shit will begn and you will see.
on a second note - why do you think putin was abscent for 11 days when they are pretty much on the edge of war?
Implying aircraft carriers are the only way of projecting power globally.
Implying they stay afloat when facing a country with actual defense capabilities.
The Americans and Russians at the height of the arms race realized that if they continued in the usual manner they were going to blow up the whole world.
One day they sat down and decided to settle the whole dispute with one dog fight. They'd have five years to breed the best fighting dog in the world and whichever side's dog won would be entitled to dominate the world. The losing side would have to lay down its arms. The Russians found the biggest meanest Doberman and Rottweiler dogs in the world and bred them with the biggest meanest Siberian wolves. They selected only the biggest and strongest puppy from each litter, killed his siblings, and gave him all the milk. The used steroids and trainers and after five years came up with the biggest meanest dog the world had ever seen. Its cage needed steel bars that were five inches thick and nobody could get near it.
"When the day came for the fight, the Americans showed up with a strange animal. It was a nine foot long Dachshund. Everyone felt sorry for the Americans because they knew there was no way that this dog could possibly last ten seconds with the Russian dog.
"When the cages were opened up, the Dachshund came out and wrapped itself around the outside of the ring. It had the Russian dog almost completely surrounded. When the Russian dog leaned over to bite the Dachshund's neck, the Dachshund leaned up and consumed the Russian dog in one bite. There was nothing left at all of the Russian dog.
The Russians came up to the Americans shaking their heads in disbelief. `We don't understand how this could have happened. We had our best people working for five years with the meanest Doberman and Rottweiler dogs in the world and the biggest meanest Siberian wolves."
"That's nothing", an American replied. "We had our best plastic surgeons working for five years trying to make an alligator look like a Dachshund.'"
>i don't get
yeah they did. after the cole that was the sentiment.
a big reason for it was clinton ordered all these cruise missile attacks on osama bin laden in retribution
republicans went crazy and accused him of wagging the dog or using a war to distract from monica lewinsky.
the rest of the world took notice and assumed americans would take an attack, come back for a couple of months and lose their steam and go home. 14 years later the usa is still whomping ass and the fuckers who live there want us to stay.
americans are different from the rest of the world in a big way on being attacked. americans love war and killing. but we also like sex alot and drugs and fast food. so if something distracts from those 3 and we can't get our fix.
we start killing and killing until we want to go back to fucking.
Lol. I might be if there were such a thing. Russia is basically a third world nation compared to the US. And Europe would be west Russia if the US wasn't such a nice sugar daddy.
Civilized countries don't have for-profit prison system that uses niggers as cattle to make kikes even richer.
Or hospitals where 1 liter bag of saltwater costs $800
Who's living in a shithole?
Well, every world superpower could easily destroy the world many times over.... but that isn't military strength necessarily.
If the indigenous population decides to fight with guerrilla warfare, no weapon that we have at our disposal (except maybe drones, and they have the added effect of killing innocents and rallying guerrilla forces) is effective and wars or subjugation of that area is futile.... as our last few wars have shown us.
But every once in a while you like to burn an architectural treasure to the ground.
It's not a game breaker though. Most of the world doesn't have that sort of defense and wars with countries that do just means they control their own shores better, not the rest of the world.
Carriers are still the poster child of power projection.
You half chinks have been relying on that for too long. Missiles can be shot down.
Dresden had no military targets. Germans did not put any industry there with the specific purpose of having it be culturally preserved.
The US turned into a bunch of fascists at this point.
What do you mean exactly? ONe hand tied behind our back?
We threw everything we had at them including massacres, burning villages (and villagers), starving them out, torture, etc.... It's just not in the official propaganda history of the US.
IF you meant we didn't fucking nuke the area, like so many moronic rednecks tend to say, using nukes has consequences in a world where more nations have them than just us. We'd be hit with retaliatory nukes.
Subjugating a nation truly is not possible without using BOTH the carrot and the stick. We TRULY have to win hearts and minds to win those types of wars.... You don't do that by throwing napalm on innocent villagers.
but from the standpoints of bankers, big oil, big munitions, etc. It's probably best the wars are a CONSTANT struggle and never actually won. Sure, the blood cost of moronic rednecks thinking they're doing gods will is higher but it's more money lining the pockets of the corporate overlords.
>implying Russia has enough boats and rocket arrays to pull that off
Besides. They're sill relying on designs they ripped of from Germany. Russia is practically a joke like NK these days. Except they have nukes so it's not quite as funny.
Competent people have run simulations.
US navy is helpless against Russian coastal defense, and US air-force is helpless against Russian air defense.
US ground operation require way too much logistics to stay operational, and in Russia has no roads :) just mud. By the time you tow an Abrams to the shop, it will be 9 feed under mud.
Ya'll just a bunch of tranny loving sadists.
In the case of Dresden, it was terror bombing.
American/English elites are callous and psychopathic, the consequence of extensive inbreeding. No other country in the world is as paranoid ad the US and UK. Always thinking about how Russia is going to come over the north pole and nuke you.
Its in the geopolitical interest of US to cooperate in Russia because they have orthogonal spheres of influence, and whrever they do cross, their interests are usually the same.
US needs to get off that British cock already! ffs!
what i wanted to say isnt about superpowers but close related
i bet most non official nuclear states (saudi, israel and tons other around the world even in EU etc) do own a significant amount of nuclear devices
for example , saudi is believed to have around 3 nukes , it bet its closer to 30
or sweden and country like that are know for not having any but i bet they own some
that is my analysis for you faggots ;)
I don't understand why people think Russia is so badass. They only won WW2 because of allies. The Germans fucked them up on an unprecedented scale, and only lost because Russia drowned them in the blood of 20 million Russians.
And then, while trying unsuccessfully to spread communism, they supplied other countries battling the US with weapons instead of getting involved directly. Like a bunch of pussies.
Later, in an arms race with the US, the Soviet Union fucking collapsed. What a joke.
And China? From the outside China appears to be doing quite well economically. That's because there are so many Chinese that millions will starve if they don't focus on their own welfare. How could they possibly afford the cost in human lives to make war on a large scale? If they diverted funds to serious military spending, China would turn into a wasteland worse than Africa.
You can talk shit all you want about the US but one fact remains true. In all modern wars, the US has maintained a positive kill/death ratio. People like to talk shit about the US losing wars, even though they may be killing 10 Iraqis for every 1 American, or 20 Vietnamese communists for every 1 American. The US is fucking badass.
Also, about Vietnam, let me set you straight. The goal of the war in Vietnam wasn't to occupy North Vietnam. It was to insure the survival of South Vietnam. The goal was accomplished. Many gook commies were killed.
>this is what americans actually believe
No one wants to admit that they shit the bed...
Well,retards like you have so big of an ego,they can`t believe otherwise. No matter how wrong they are,their ego won`t let them think otherwise. Even if its something simple as 2+2=4. They will deny it and say its 9.
my current fetish is jar jar binks and i had a dream a few nights ago, one of those ultrarealistic ones you know?
so we're in his bed, and we're making out, and it feels like we're making out, and then all of a sudden Yoda is up at my ear, smiling going HMMMMMTHEREISNOTRY like really loud
so loud it woke me up and i could still hear it
freaky shit man, true too.....
Shit. If Hitler hadn't become obsessed with Stalingrad like a megalomaniac dipshit he would have sacked Moscow easily. The Germans were using pincer movements and taking entire Russian battalions at a time until his obsession.
nigga they got all the jews so they can print as much money as they like.
the USA has the most advanced technology and practically all of the smartest people in the world at its disposal.
its why they won WWII. They didn't discriminate against all the kike scientists that built the bomb and worked on wall street.
Your argument is getting somehow worse.
This is what democracy looks like.
ITT: everyone but OP talking about old fashioned military capabilities.
How about bouncing high power radio signals off the ionosphere and directing it back at earth to heat the air making it rise creating a low pressure zone encouraging a super storm then guiding it at enemies.
Oh shit, hurricanes much murica?
PROTIP: Only a very small portion of the US national debt is debt to other nations. It's mostly debt to the Federal Reserve (a handful of private banking entities). We're making a handful of bankers ultra wealthy by constantly spending more than we pull in via taxes.
SECOND PROTIP: Now all of our tax dollars can't even cover the interest on our loan from the federal reserves. Selling America and Americans into debt slavery in the hands of ultrawealthy bankers.
Also, every time Congress is spending more than they're pulling in, our currency is losing value. So it's super fucking important. We've only lost like 50% of our purchasing power in 10 years and they're only ramping up spending if anything....
This entire thread is completely irrelevant. All the armies in the world can't do shit about nukes. And let's face it, Russia has the ace up their sleeve there.
While the US have barely maintained their nuclear arsenal, letting many weapons fall into disrepair and not developing any new weapons since the cold war era, Russia has been focused on developing theirs. American analysts have already admitted that russian nukes could pinpoint hit pretty much any location on earth while most likely circumventing missile shields completely, and the US couldn't do jack shit about it.
So really, if push comes to shove, as it is right in this moment, Russia has the upper hand. That can easily change, but RIGHT NOW, it's definitely them.
Beating down the citizenry while protecting the interest of corporations and oligarchy is what makes the US fascist.
What they do globally is just a projection of corporate/oligarchical interests.
The citizens of the US are human resources, and have long ago lost their autonomy as the population has been gradually dumbed down.
I'm not hating on America or Americans, but if you guys cant get over the emotional response when others are pointing out that you're not perfect, and just keep on trolling, you're never going to wake up and do shit about the domestic enemy whcih has robbed you of your inheritance.
>inflation devaluing wealth
It all works out in the end!
No shit you were beating them in casualties, you had an army and they were a bunch of fucking farmers, you still lost the war. The soviets had much more casualties than the germans, doesn't mean the germans won ww2.
Of course not, but it's quite obvious what has happened, the nuclear storage facilities aren't that top secret, everyone knows they exist, and everyone knows the budgets for them have been constantly cut since the cold war, for good reason. US military budgets go to focusing on small scale anti terrorist development, improving their ability to kill specific people in hiding.
Russia's a shit hole full of mouth breathers. They we a good distraction so the Allied forces could fuck up the Nazis, nothing more. Fuck, England did more to win the war than Russia did.
US doesn't care about developing nukes further because US can already bathe the globe in nuclear fire.
Russia is retarded for wasting money on further development of nuclear weapons because they have also had this capability for decades.
Putin is too scared to invade Brazil.
No, but the best funded, most advanced military, that constantly hones its skills in an endless series of wars? We would wipe the floor with any one country on the planet. U.S. vs 2 countries, it might depend on who
The US tried to invade Afghanistan too. The difference is they're still trying and dumping billions of dollars into it, but the USSR backed out because they recognized it wasn't worth it.
We wouldn't even need to hit russia if it was all out nuclear war. We could put every nuke of ours into the ocean or uninhabited land and still end all life on Earth from nuclear winter and radioactive fallout.
what they have is a bunch of cronies corporation leeching off the government budget while they can without delivering all that much.
What ever happened to the F-35?
what about the Rah-66?
Your disdain for the U.S. would evaporate in a puff of steam if the N.S.A./Military designated you a threat. The hellfire missile would blow you into smoldering chunks while you were still solving the capture on one of your pithy comments. What does it matter if the drone operator gorged on cheeseburgers, like you probably do.
This is exactly why the US is falling behind. Resting on their laurels, thinking they can easily dominate without doing jack shit, while their enemies are constantly upgrading behind their back.
Nuclear weapons haven't been that well developed at all during the cold war. Sure they can carpet bomb areas, but missile shields, pinpoint targets, stealth capabilities, speed of reaction, all important points, were immensely bad during the cold war. Those very things are what Russia has been upgrading.
But nevermind that, just look at the regular facilities for launching ICBM's
Look at the choppers used in the bin laden raid. If not for the crash no one would have even known those existed. US has shit no one has ever even seen just waiting for the opportunity to use it, assuming they havent already and no one even knew it.
Nukes are already irrelevant. They're too dangerous for anyone to fire first. World learned this during the cold war.
US nuked the fuck out of Japan because they were the only kid in the playground with nukes. Now the other kids can retaliate so nobody's got the balls to launch one to kill foreign people.
>thinking they can easily dominate without doing jack shit,
>half of the world's military expenditure
They're still a great deterrent. You think the US would ever, EVER attack russian soil and not expect a full nuclear war?
Deterrence is still very much a thing, has been ever since the first nukes were made. And it's the only thing keeping this so-called peace we live in. But what happens the moment that fine balance is lost, and one country gains a clear advantage over the other?
What I am saying, albeit poorly, is that it's very difficult to intercept a warhead dropping from orbit. You either attack the missile in the ascent stage or you pray to your gods for forgiveness.
A nuclear exchange would end civilization as we know it no matter who the belligerents were.
The US had that power and used it or good. Imagine if Russia discovered nuclear weapons first, jeez. But the US batman. Everyone loves to hate us while were saving their ass and keeping the peace for no thanks.
totally agree with you, all i'm saying is that in that case Russia has better defense, because they have been working at it for the passed 60+ years.
I'm for a US-Russia condominium to put states like Istrael, North Korea, Japan/China, and UK in their place.
While I have no idea what you're talking about (since I'm talking about current events not past) I will say, saying "used it for good" is a very self-righteous statement. Lots of completely innocent people were burned alive in that bombing.
Whoever wins the war is the hero, that's just how it is. If russia or even hitler had developed nukes first, and used them to win the war, we would all nowadays be saying "yeah they were bad but at least they used the nukes for good" about them instead of america. We would all be praising how russia won ww2 and protected us from the grips of the horrible US president. And anyone that would say otherwise would be a tinfoil hat wearing idiot.
>keeping the peace
One of the default mantras that propaganda has instilled in you. Let's break down exactly what that means. The US has been at peace exactly 21 years in its entire history. We've been at war 218 years of our 239 year existence.
"Keeping the peace" is a hollow slogan much like "support our troops" or "freedom" that breaks down on any logical analysis. Of course, it's considered almost heresy to question these phrases, you're just expected to repeat them parrot fashion without thinking too hard about it...
Doesnt matter, military capabilities are irrelevant. We already reached the scientific peak of being able to exterminate life on earth, its just about who pushes the red button first.
Fuck you're stupid. We only dropped the first one because we would have to practically destroy all of Japan in a ground invasion before they'd surrender due to the military fanaticism. We only dropped the second nuke when they still wouldn't surrender.
Also, you're welcome for the Marshall plan you uneducated ingrate.
So you're saying that "keeping the peace" is Orwellian double-speak then.
No, pardon me, I'm sure you don't understand and even assuming you could, that you'd callously refuse to do so.
No idiot parroting propaganda is capable of analyzing it. They simply attack the thinkers, those capable of seeing beyond the hollow words.
You are all fools! Fooools! You don't have any idea of what the true world super power is! If you were even just to lay your puny humans eyes on us you would be obliterated!!! Obliterated I say! Obliterated!
Technically, America knew Japan was going to surrender. America just wanted to end the war before Russia took any more territory and to show how powerful America's new weapons were to Stalin. Japan was holding out for more autonomy once the dust settled, specifically keeping their emperor powerful.
Get the irony.
Clearly the technological divide is narrow, and asymmetric.
A Russian-US condominium would be great for both nations, and the world.
Russian and American values are very close and complementary.
Come one US, what happened? You used to be cool.
Get off the British cock already.
>And chinks can hardly reverse engineer shit.
That's all they do. Their the best in the world at it. Granted, they aren't very good at coming up with their own technology. They need to import managers and lead designers from other countries because they have only recently reached gained the capacity to develop world class tech.
Hahahha you are talking about your puny human wars!!! Where we came from I single handedly killed trillions among trillions of enemies and that was one of the smallest wars ever.
Fair enough. Still, i hope that the next nuke that kills people goes off in US. Gives you something more to cry about than muh 9/11 with 3000 dead.
Surely it had nothing to do with wanting to try out your new superweapons.
Still a warcrime in my opinion.