Realistically, what can one do to survive a crash like this?
Is it even possible? Or do you just have to accept your death?
get the fuck up and help the pilot break in. 8 minutes of the pilot beating on the door and no one used any sort of carry on as a battering ram? gtfo Germans killed themselves before the nazi trials and now they killin themselves over some other shit. fuckin germans kill everyone theyre mother natures way of population control.
>thousands of feet in the air
>moving at 400+ knots
You're fucked. Even if you had a parachute you're fucked. I doubt you could even get the door to the outside open considering how much wind would be blowing past at those speeds.
You're not going to break down the cockpit door-- they've been specifically designed to make that impossible.
Lubitz is a perfect example of the most despicable shit stain a human could possibly be-- short of Stalin or Mao or Che Guevara.
Forgot the flight number, but there was a Japanese 747 that slammed into a mountain years ago and the people in the back rows survived the impact due to the force from the crash dissipating enough,
The specifically design the door to be able to withstand battering. One of the best devices for battering is using the cart and gaining momentum apparently and they are designed to withstand
Just think about it. About 10 minutes to do what ever you want. No evidences are left behind.
Grab the prettiest girl and rape her most wild and furious ways. Force every women to show their titties. Beat someone weaker than you really bad. Fuck everything up.
And finally masturbate or whatever and try to cum and die at the same time. feels good man
Then I plan to kill myself by shooting you and hoping the bullet exits your skull, orbits the earth and hits me. If it doesn't, I guess I'll just bear it for another 60 years.
You stupid niggerfaggot.
Realistically, if a determined and capable person who wants your plane to crash is aboard your airliner..99% of the time you're dead. If that person is a member of the flight crew, you can pretty much account for the other 1%.
ok so wouldnt adrenaline amped terror stricken group of ppl be able to ram a 220 pound cart thru the fucking door after 8 minutes? fuck atleast I'm going to try, not sit in my seat and fucking do my best humpty dumpty impression on the side of the alps.
Obvious bait. Thats the whole reason for the kevelar enforced doors ya dipshit. When in flight the pilots are supposed to have that door locked at all times except for when they need to go to the bathroom. even then, some of the newer planes have a bathroom on the flightdeck with another lockable door so that the cockpit can be isolated the whole flight. How the fuck does anybody have a 99% chance of taking down the plane if you wanted to when you cant even get into the cockpit
It is someone's business.
There's wars for lesser reasons - someone trying to kill me or people I know is definitely "my business" and I'd go very far to prevent that, not giving a fuck about some depressed person's "rights".
how do you gain momentum to push through a door in a tight space like that. You really would only have the strength of 3 or 4 people on the door at once. if everyone is panicing and trying to push through you dont have a chance. it needs to be a coordinated effort from a small group of people and even then, like I said these doors are specifically designed to not be able to be opened from the outside
>yfw baneposting is real
Why go near the flight deck in order to cause an airliner to crash?
If this disaster shows anything, it shows it's the one place on board you're probably not getting into in timely fashion. Only current aircraft I'm aware of with double doors are some 777/787s although sone former East bloc designs have flight deck "facilities". Like I say though, immaterial unless you want to fly the 'plane before you destroy it.
There's a thing called relative speed.
If you are sitting in a bus that goes at 60 mph, your relative speed is 60 mph, even if you are not moving yourself.
Now, if you run at 5mpg in the bus (from back to front), your absolute speed will be 65 mph.
So, if you jump down from a plane about to crash at a speed of 200 mph, you will land at a speed of 200 mph, which usually results in a nice gooey version of yourself.
The only way to prevent this would be to jump at a speed of 190-200 mph from the plane, so your abolsute speed would be between 0-10 mph, resulting in a safe landing.
But unless you are a cyborg, I doubt you could achieve that.
they hit the alps at 6000' above sea level, from a cruise FL320 in 8 minute descent, that means they descended 26000' in 8 minutes which is about 3300' per minute. A normal descent is less than 1800' per minute. You have fluids in your ear canals that give you a sense about change in altitude and you would feel a descent that steep. Also the plane was overspeed and that would mkae you wonder too. The only way the passengers wouldn't have known maybe is if they were in the clouds most of the time
i think it's kek
the filth on that plane deserved to die
4chan would be kekking if it was a nigger plane that went down
150 dead "innocent" human beings make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
I'm a private pilot fag and everytime I go on a commercial flight I get nerdy about it and print out what I think the flight route will be and try to follow the route and turns and all that. I always pick a window seat. I would have noticed although I still wouldn't have been able to do anything about it
The blackbox revealed that the screaming started only one minute before inpact. But lets assume this is not true and you now you are going down and have 8 minutes to live. You wouldn;t know that the co-pilot is fucked up and you wouldn;t know what he is doing. So even if you were to get off out your seat you would have to walk to the front of the plane to see the the pilot is baging on the door. Like I said, it's nice to have hero fantasies but realise that they are fantasies and you would be just as fucked.
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>can't land the plan
planes need real automatic pilot and been able to be piloted from any Air traffic control
data flight should be upload in real time to cloud servers in real-time
If you were somehow able to get the door open and this is implying you have the strength to open it at Mach 0.5 (I think I read somewhere they're impossible to open while in the air) then you just happened to be wearing a big rain coat and that you jumped out and were able to stabilise your fall the air resistance against the coat may, just may, slow your speed down enough that if you were fortunate enough to land on deep foliage like a tree or thick bush. You would be incredibly hurt most probably die but there is a slim survival you would survive. Now this is also implying that you know for a fact the co-pilot is going to kill someone and that you pluck up the courage to do all of this within 8 minutes and that you aren't restrained by cabin crew.
So in other words you're not going to survive unless you get through that fucking cockpit door.
>implying not valuing human life means i deserve to die
i value my own life. law of the jungle, moron. why should i give a fuck about 150 dead germans any more than 150 dead niggers? they're the same stupid animals imo
D licensed skydiver here. You can't from a commercial airlines. The doors are permanently locked while airborne.
i always wondered about that steel door
>see pilot stepping out mid-flight to take a shit
>burst thru the open door
>close it behind me
>bonk co-pilot on the head with fire extinguisher
Many airlines (particularly in the US) do the "return to seat, fasten seat belt" thing before a flight crew member opens the flight deck door in order to prevent this scenario being played out.
they should start with routine psych testing which even the FAA does not require. also, two people should be required to stay in the cockpit at all times. i think thats an FAA requirement at least. also, live video feed from every cockpit should be recorded on the black box.
This is only for my close friends on /b . I have survived 3 crashes ! Always sit out front and look out of window. Just before crash sprint to the back of the plane whilst jumping as high as you can , running to the rear cancels the airplane's forward momentum and jumping cancels the planes downward momentum. In the case of mid air explosion always make sure you have fat (Americans are great) people adjacent to you. Timing is crucial to the running though , its good to practice sprinting from front to rear on normal holiday flights just like the emergency drills they practice on take-off.
No you're an immature edgelord cock who is looking for attention on 4chan
Which is the worst place to attention seek because it's all anonymous, but newfags don't into that idea.
most commercial recent airplanes have 2 doors
cockpit, flight attendants area, passengers cabin
The way to avoid this specific type of tragedy occurring is to have a flight attendant go into the cockpit when one of the pilots exits. However this is not foolproof either, for if a pilot was so inclined to put the plane down in the Alps he could just kill the other person in the cockpit. Remember, pilots are allowed to carry guns.
They tried and succeeded on a 9/11 flight (after it had already been hijacked), so the terrorists crashed it into a field in pennsylvania. However immediately after 9/11 airlines were required to reinforce the doors with steel bars, and in the months thereafter they added the bulletproof, anti battering doors. They're essentially impossible to get in. You'd have better luck trying to get in the pilots escape hatch on the back left side of the Airbus cockpits.
if youre the pilot, you put that shit down as neatly as possible
its tough doe
i fly smaller model single engine cessnas
so you dont have to control the weight of a jetliner
but you still can fuck it up
ie. catch the wing on the ground
miscalculating wind corrections
pitch too high on the flare inducing a power off stall
jamming the nosestrut through the engine block
jamming the nose strut through the ground
jamming my cock in your moms eyesocket
We NEED engineers to create a method of escape incase of catastrophe.
The amount of deaths due to airplane crashes is unacceptable. While the percentual amount of crashes are small, we must ever improve our standards. Not only to prevent catastrophes of today, but of tomorrow aswell.
Technology fails. And humans fail even more often.
It's the reason why we have lifeboats in ships. While we are prety sure they're not suitable for sailing seas, they still provide a chance of survival. There is no excuse for not developing solution for airplanes aswell.
How the fuck can they make a super light door that is totally safe against attack on a plane , and in a house where weight is no concern a burglar can just get through door in 1 minute , we need houses with little square windows and a cockpit where the entrance hall usually is
you can't open the door at any speed, it has a seal which expands when the cabin is pressurised making is physically impossible to open the doors until the plane is on the ground and de pressurised.
Solution: shaped explosive charges. Same stuff which SWAT uses to open up doors and make mouse holes. If there's an absolute need to open the door, then there's no reason why it should not be opened permanently.
>my best humpty dumpty impression
>implying all planes are equipped with 3rd party override controls
>implying ground knows how surrogate fly a plane
>implying the technology exists
>implying the pilots can/would leave a doomed craft with civilians
nigga you dumb
also, you nigga, cars cause way more deaths than aircraft, despite the rising frequency of air travel. its no longer for the rich only
the failsafe we have for aircraft is the pilots and their training
there are COUNTLESS systems in place with REDUDANCIES OUT THE ASS to make sure bad stuff doesnt happen
there is so much shit happening behind the scenes you have no idea about before you nap for 3 hours on your way to visit grandma
your intentions are good, ill give you that, but your logic is grounded in naivety and ignorance
the final solution ! (sorry germans) , a line of explosives between each window , everyone sits in seat with seat belt and it has a parachute . the best looking stewardess with the most to live for holds the button to the charges. In emergency she hits the button blowing the top off the plane and everyone parachutes to safety
Yeah but you're on a 'plane. you don't have access to any shaped charges. So there's no necessity to debate the viability of blowing open a pressure bearing door. (which I don't think you'd have a great deal of success with BTW)
I know the one you mean. But didn't it crash from loss of both engines or something so it was going slower on impact. Still, sitting at the back is your best bet in a less intentional crash.
The shaped charges would need to be pre-planted on the door upon maintance. Not when the catastrophe occurs.
An airplane with no door is still able to fly. Implention of such system is necesary, incase of a catastrophe.
As for the other methods of escape I'm not going to say much. I'm no engineer, but i'm sure that with some proper understanding of the forces involved it would be possible to slow down the speed of escaping passangers before they open their parachutes.
I hate to say it but you can brainstorm all you want about cockpit doors or having a security guard sit in the cockpit on every flight, but it doesn't matter.
If a pilot wants to crash his airplane you can't stop it.
It takes less than a second to shut both engines off. Just moving the switch from up to down. Can kill both motors with one swift movement of the hand.
Do that on takeoff at a couple hundred feet with terrain ahead and an unsuitable ditching area and that's lights out for all.
By the time they're turned off its too late to relight and there isn't sufficient altitude to maneuver anywhere.
If anyone aboard an airliner who is a relatively efficient and has applied thought wants to kill everyone aboard... Nine times out of ten they will.
The art, if you want to call it that, is in stopping "that person" getting on board the aircraft.
Depends on time of the day and one's location within the atmosphere.
I know you're trying to make "h3h3. u r dumb, get it? I know u don't. pusseh" -sort of reference. But you're looking at the problem from a wrong perspective. There's always a possibility of things failing, and there should be a method of escape.
100 years from now, some backwarded space engineer will make the same claim.
"Escape pods are pointless because you'll just be shot into the depths of space". Fuckin' fit it with rocket engines and change it's direction of flight. Make the event survivable. This is what progress is about.
that one was not surviveable.
this one was for 4 of 524 people, but they were really lucky and sitting in the right place
>Implying that those security systems can prevent shit like this (Protip: they cant)
>Implying we don't have the tech (again, protip: we already use it to kill sandniggers)
>Implying that onboard personnel can reliably control any situation (protip: FFS anon)
Shit like this happening is the exact proof that what we have isn't enough.
>implying that I'm a nigga