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>>608061211 You do understand that earning the first black belt only means that you have sufficient knowledge and skill of the basics that you could teach other people? Black belt basically means that you can finally begin the real learning process.
>>608064683 Depends on your bodytype, weight, how well you learn advanced techniques and whether or not you are a natural counter fighter or an attacker. What kind of temperament do you have? Agressive, balanced or peaceful?
My advice is to go try out a few different ones and settle on the one you feel fit you the most. Karate is probably the easiest one. Jeet Kune Do is great for streetfights.
>>608065410 Got to red belt(one away from black) in a mere 3 years, and I started when I was like 9. Although I would have to say my instructor was nothing short of a badass motherfucker who could probably kick many asses in a fight, my class was composed of 5'3" girls who I sparred against and once got in trouble for kicking too hard. Came back when I was 15 and quit a few classes after.
It depends on your body type. Asians are small framed and have very little discernable muscle mass without hulking out at the gym. Their martial arts capitalize on fighting other 4'2'' manlets. In other words, useless against people.
If you want to learn how to bugger people up in a pinch, go the Krav Maga route. Otherwise, I've had good experience with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and I've got a buddy who swears by some sort of russian thing with a bunch of dodges and twirls and shit. It's funny to watch him spar because it looks like two burly ballerinas beating each other into meat paste.
>>608064683 Start by becoming decent in karate. Its the most stable fighting stance and is the most usable. Once you realize you dont need a stupud flying jump kick to do anything but kick someone off a horse Everything changes. You become very deliberate with your punches and kicks are more of a distraction and leg breaker than anything. Seriously karate is the most practical. Learn to use their weight against them and then subdue them quickly
>>608061211 There are people who practice a martial art, following it through to black belt level. Using the experience to strengthen their character.
Then there are douchebag faggots who just want to learn how to snap arms and choke niggas out. They are swept up into the street nigger UFC MMA mentality and pay Brazillian scumfucks to give them belts on a fast track without really teaching them anything beyond what common sense would dictate. Usually these people go out, get drunk and try to fight people. They have no discipline, and no respect.
source: trained in TKD, Muay Thai, and BJJ. TKD taught me the most as a man, Muay Thai taught me character and perseverance, BJJ taught me how to disrespect innocent people and break bones. I regret wasting my time on that shit.
MMA is structured around competition, and has rules. Because it has rules it has limitations. Sure there are some great athletes, and what they do is (in some cases) respectable in the context of the structure of a timed match, but if someone is assaulted, especially if they are smaller and weaker than their attacker then they should use weak points - throat, eyes, and groin especially - to their advantage.
>>608065410 This. 15th degree ebin meme fu yong hai, ku lo yuk monster here. Getting to eat some chinese food is the best part of china. Takes years of training, started when I was 5. Tough life nigger.
>>608066347 Hey im OP of the question and thanks for the awesome post, I fairly have a thin body type but not skeletal, around 150 pounds and 5'9. temperament is peaceful I guess although it could depend. Jeet Kune Do does seem like an interesting option, I'm looking for a Martial Art for just general health benefits plus the knowledge. I don't see myself getting into that many fights at all but the use in street fighting does seem like a good plus.
>>608066904 For real ATA is a fucking joke(same person). I remember going to tournaments and honestly seeing the worst conglomerate of socially awkward people who think they are special because they got a plastic trophy.
Watched the video a while back, they just picked him up and threw him out side down the block and moved his car away from the gym. No idea if he died or not. This guy was known for inviting other black belts to his "dojo" just to beat the shit out of them and take their belts. I think he eventually got busted.
>>608061211 Just don't end up in what's referred to as a "McDojo". They just want your money. You can spot these by looking at the people. For example if you check out TKD and the people can't kick above waist high but somehow progressed past the white belt, it's a McDojo.
Sure, but if you spend your time training only to fight within the context of a restrictive structure, then the thing that's going to come out of your body if you are ever in a violent situation is that thing that you've trained in. Instinct is influenced by training. That may work for some people, but head and face punches, which are the bread and butter of MMA, can be a bad idea. There are a lot of small, easily breakable bones in the hand, it's just common sense. Don't strike bone to bone (knuckles to skull), strike bone to vulnerable flesh (throat and neck, eyes, nose, groin, etc.).
>>608068210 Don't need to get in shape. The place I went to was teaching middle aged businesswomen and my scrawny ass how to get shit done. I live in a city with a lot of knife related robbings and shit, so it was the go to for a lot of people who work downtown as it's a stone's throw away from the ghetto.
>>608068512 My background is mostly boxing with Krav Maga and a teeny bit of Judo. All in all, I feel comfortable getting into it with someone from the BJJ neck of the woods. Like some other guy said, BJJ is for cunts that want to get drunk and be a twat.
>>608067324 You clearly have never trained in MMA. Its not like taekwon shit where the practise within a specific group of rules. you learn how to strike with knees, elbows, fists and feet. You learn from a variety of areas and positions such as the clinch, ground and other areas. You learn facets like BJJ, wrestling and judo to become competent on the ground. Mixed Martial arts simply means various useable techniques are taught. If you cant see how MMA is superior in every facet, because that's what is designed for then you're a fool. Or some lame ass in a dojo who thinks yelling "ayaa" and kicking the air is a useable skill then you're a tool.
>>608066861 In most martial arts you are correct, but in BJJ for example, it is earned through years and years of drilling, full contact sparring and tournaments. these guys sincerely know how to fuck your shit up. I am not scared of a TKD Black belt, I am however scared of a BJJ black belt.
>>608069160 Krav Maga is far from empty handed. The basics all are, but a good portion of your mid tier stuff (where your other martial arts have the colorful belts) is improvised weaponry.
Let me be clear, the first thing the instructor told us (old IDF guy) was there's nothing in your wallet worth getting murdered over. It was more anti-rape shit. The mention of knives was just to explain why there were a good chunk of 45-55 year old women making up the martial arts class. Our downtown core neighborhoods are all a 10 minute walk from the scuzziest ghetto in the city.
>>608063782 Not true IMO. A lot of "higher level knowledge" in these arts for higher degrees seems to be grasping at straws and is focused on nuances within a system and seems to miss they key reason for a system to exist. Which is to learn how to fight. Anything above a first degree is pointless IMO since practice will make you better.
I'd rather have a first degree black belt in 2 or 3 systems than a 10th in one system. No system is so profound that their body of knowledge warrants such investigation. It's usually flowery forms which I would gladly trade in for hard application and sparring.
>>608069686 kek Do people still wear tapout shit? I've been doing BJJ for 3 years and have a couple buddies who fight pro. Lot of them were in TKD and shit. Ive sparred with a few guys and I hardly can throw a proper punch and still beat their asses.
>You learn from a variety of areas and positions such as the clinch, ground and other areas.
Name these areas, I don't know what the fuck you mean, you give no specifics. Also, I think you drank the Koolaid of your BJJ and MMA bullshit from what, an older brother, cousin? And if you actually do practice this stuff, have fun with that broken body five years out from now. MMA is trained (again) for sport, entertainment. They run you through the ringer for a couple of years, then IF you can take enough punches to the face, you MIGHT make it big. It's like the WWE, but without the common sense to make it fake.
Areas would include, but not limited to: standing, standing in the clinch, against a wall, when someone takes your back while standing, from your back, in the turtle, in a open/closed guard, mount. the list goes on. Yes MMA is a sport, but it is also highly translatable in any real world situation of unarmed combat. if you didnt believe that youre a fool.
>>608070546 No. Ring fight? Great art. Street fight? You lack space and mobility. I would stab you and you would NOT be able to get away. My friends might kick you in the head of you grapple. If you aim for a throw I'd be close enough to stab you again.
>>608069114 >We do a lot of things in mma A great varity of hits and techniques doesn´t mean no rules. You are not training to find a path to soft points, nor to distract your opponent with dirty play, nor even to use any kind of weapon. As martial art, mma is good stuff; maybe one of the bests. But it´s just a martial art, not a real system for real fights.
Try not to fantasize with this things, or you will be putting yourself (and other unexperienced people who could trust you) in danger.
Man I have a great fondness of BJJ. My ex-girlfriend was great at it and we used to do this thing where I attack her from behind and did a chokehold thingie and pretended like I was going to rape her and then she beat me up and twisted on me nobbin'.
>>608070869 I am not an MMA fighter but I worked with them. They are good. As long as a gun or knife doesn't come out in most street situations I think they can handle themselves. They are quick, hard hitting and tough. Many practiced situationals too.
1. skills, what kind of skills? self defense for real situations? do you want to learn sports? what kind of? more on standing side or on the ground side?
2. self defense and martial arts sports are 2 different worlds.
3. do you want to get fit and a new hobby? or actually are you competitive want to be best on the class?
4. if you are the competitive type, you should assess your overall physique, do you have long hands and legs vs your middle body? ppl with long torso are strong wrestlers, ppl with long legs and hands are natural kickers and jabbers with that reach.
When I was still a green belt in Chon-Tu-Kwon Hapkido, it saved my life when I was jumped by three gangster wannabes with knives/a bat. My instructor always believed heavily in sparring and preparation for unfair fights (outnumbered, they have weapons, you've gotten surprised by a hit to the head, etc.), and I was able to defend myself and do enough damage to keep them back until I could run away.
Got cut a bit, four stitches on my ass when one of them tried stabbing me during a kick, a bruised wrist where I turned the bat from my face. Other than that, I was fine.
>>608071924 >A martial art is not for teaching you how to live your life. Depends a on what you're learning you ignorant fuck. Several martial arts include meditation to strengthen character now fuck off.
Sweetie, You Are Literally So Out Of Line It’s Fucking Unbelievable. I Could Drag You So Hard Right Now But I Know You’ll Just End Up Crying. I’ve Roasted You Before And You Know It. Chances Are You’ll Just Say I Bullied You Because You’re Gay And Have Different Skin. Talk Shit Get Hit, You Don’t Wanna Mess With Me Kiddo; I’ve Got A Black Belt. I Know Threats Are Fucked Up But That’s All I’ve Been Receiving All Day, Probably From Her Royal Hoodrat Olive And All Of Her Nasty Friends. But You Can Gang Up On Me And Make Fun Of Me For Being Goth All You Want. I’ve Been Hurt A Lot. My First Boyfriend Cheated On Me, My Dad Screams If I Forget To Do My Chores, And There Are Some Days I Don’t Even Want To Get Out Of Bed In The Mornings. I’m A Jaded Teenage Girl. I’ve Been Through Shit That You Wouldn’t Even Dream Of. You Think Your Life Is Hard? Try Asking The Cutest Guy In Your Grade Out In The Middle Of The Cafeteria Only To Find Out He Has A Fucking Girlfriend. You Don’t Know My Life Or My Story So Keep My Name Out Of Your Nasty Mouth. Life Is A Battlefield And It Looks Like I’ve Already Won.
>>608070840 >>608070756 If you are fighting against more than one person you cant win. Same thing if the guy has a knife, what sort of martial art you know doesnt make any difference in that sort of situation, life is not a movie fags.
If you honestly disagree with me all i can say is i feel sorry for you. Good luck getting stabed.
One more thing: >You lack space and mobility. Thats the point of BJJ, you dont need space or mobility, you fight close to your enemy holding him.
Except the black belts on the bottom are all high level brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners. Getting a black belt in BJJ is not the same as getting a black belt in something like TKD. Whereas you can get a black belt in TKD or some silly karate in just a couple years, you will likely be a fairly new blue belt in BJJ. It takes most people a decade to get their black belts, and that's assuming they are active (practicing and rolling 4-5 times a week).
>>608072498 >fighting more than one apponent >knife >BJJ Well good luck fighting someone on the ground when his friend comes and kicks you upside the head. Also fighting someone with a knife distance is your friend. BJJ is a close combat sport. Not an effective defence martial art.
>>608073170 >mfw when I did karate when I was 8 because I didn't know any better and quit shortly after
I was just thinking about how there was a fucking 4 year old girl in that class with a purple belt. Glad I didn't stick around. I wanna find a place to get into some real BJJ but most places that teach martial arts are retarded real life versions of pay to play video games.
see this gook ? I knew him. Thought he was hot shit, never learned to shut his trap. TDK instructor and competitor. He trained from the age of 9 to 41. Know what he stopped training at 41? He got in a fight and got stabbed to death.
>>608061211 I trained karate for few years when I was a kid, our sensei was this old fat guy who was among the first westeners to go to japan in the 50's to study the thing, and his sensei looked somewhat like pic related, and what I heard, he used to beat you with a bamboo stick if you didn't do something right.
let me tell you, allthoug our sensei was about 160 cm tall and fat, I would not want to fight him without a fucking gun. he once did some crazy kung-fu kick on a 80 kg punching bag and that bag is propably still swinging around the fucking dojo..
wow, so many people talking about knives and guns...
anyone who knows how to fight knows 2 golden rules:
1) knife attacks are savage, fast, and 80% of the time are impossible to predict and counter. if they have a knife, you are probably getting cut. the only effective martial arts against knives are the ones that teach you how to control distance.
2) guns are the great equalizer. all your opponent has to do is pull a handgun back about a foot and put his off hand in front of himself. he is now impervious to being disarmed before he can shoot you 3 or 4 times. the only people who don't fear guns are the stupid and the dead.
Meh. I did jido kwan, kung fu, jiu jitsu, blah blah
Fun fact: If someone attacks you they can go to jail and you can sue them. There's never been a situation in which I could not avoid fighting.
One fight, and it followed the basic wisdom: Knock them the fuck out or you end up on the ground and it's a mess. So I kicked him in the face. Just a simple, very fast but not too hard front kick, and it was over.
To be honest, after 12 years of training and shit I just got bored with it and decided to do something else with my time. All the bullshit testosterone is stupid.
>>608069730 Actaully it is. How do you think we get ouruscle memory? Constant practice makes the techniques second nature. Sure you will have a wider range of lnowledge in varying systems. But when in a real life fight where fear and adrenaline are a factor, if shit isn't hard wired into your muscles you're going to have a bad time.
>>608073730 Wing chung is top tier. >You work the most important distance in real fight, the closest one >You train self defense over anything >You learn how other systems and martial arts work, so you can fight them properly
>>608073959 Here's what you'll hear at the beginning of any martial arts/self defense class being taught by anyone with half a brain and a shred of real world experience.
>Don't ever try to fight someone who has a gun. If they have a gun just do whatever they say and and just get the fuck out of there. Your life is worth more than your wallet, watch, etc.
If you don't hear something along those lines from your instructor within the first week of being there then you should leave because you're being taught bullshit by a guy who learned how to fight by watching Jason Statham movies.
>>608075622 True, but none of that is recommended over running. All of those disarming lessons are for incase doing what they tell you doesn't work and they still plan on killing you anyway. Which really probably leaves you with an incredibly short window of opportunity, but at that point you might as well fight, but until that point, fighting is just begging to get killed anyway.
>>608072498 >If you are fighting against more than one person you cant win Well, this is pretty wrong. If you let them to surround you, you are fucked. If you keep moving so they have to fight from the front, it will be a lot of 1vs1 fight. Being more skilled and having a good cardio, you still can win this.
I prefer to fight 3 unexperienced niggers than one with a knife, by far.
This. Belts don't mean shit. Sure you practiced in a dojo against guys going half assed against you, or not even resisting at all, for 15 years and got your black belt. Now go in the ring against someone who has been training and fighting against dozens of different people with different styles who are going full force on them for half that time and doesn't have a black belt and see who wins.
>protip: it's not the autist who never left muh dojo
>>608075622 it is common practice, but it is NEVER recommended practice.
of course they teach you how to do it. better to learn it and not need it and all that... but anyone who knows how to fight knows that disarming should be literally your last resort before lethal force (and the two are usually paired)
for those who don't know, here is the escalation of force for a martial artist:
talk>run>defend and run>defend and incapacitate>defend and disarm>defend and neutralize
anyone who knows anything about risk assessment, from competition fighters to cops and soldiers knows that these are the only possible actions you can take in a confrontation, and this is the order which you should consider them
The best rule of thumb for self defense is to be where harm is not. If that means running away, then run away - even if self-defense, you want to minimize as much damage you can do to safely solve the situation as possible.
Well the problem with that is some competitions require hours and hours of driving to get to, depending on where you live. Additionally, there's no real way to measure students well among the handful of others during the competition, for forms or sparring or breaking. It's a nice idea though, as it shouldn't just be a "You've played for X time, here's your Xth belt" sort of thing. It's sad, because down the street where I live is a blackbelt factory - they've got 8 or so people in the class, all blackbelts, ages ranging from middleschoolers to adults, and none of them can throw a crescent kick above their waist without slouching over.
Also I think a good base is >mind Krav mentality >upper body boxing for hard heavy strikes jeet kune for light fast strikes >lower body Muay Thai for leg works and kicks Taekwondo for flexibility and range
>>608076565 Tsun > Chun. Chun is a watered down version that adds a bunch of fancy bullshit. Tsun philosophy is first strike must Kill. If the fight lasts more than 15 seconds you already lost. There are no 'blocks' only attacks... time spent blocking is time spent dying. You have no time to think about moves or analyze style of the attacker.
>>608064683 Go check up on gojyu-ryu karate; one of the major schools of Okinawan Karate. 95% of beginners mainly start learning martial arts because they want to be stronger and beat people's ass in a street-fight. Although learning martial arts is about defending yourself, the real reason why one should practice martial arts is to attain spiritual freedom and find peace within you. This is why I'd recommend gojyu-ryu karate; while it trains you to be physically stronger and fight fiercer, it also teaches you to attain spiritual freedom. Shit like MMA, boxing, krav maga are fucking jokes; these martial arts teach you to attack and kill someone, rather than for defending yourself from imminent danger. Violence should be used as a last resort; not something to take it lightly. Also, all martial arts practiced for competitive purposes are a disgrace to the name of martial arts, and those who desire to learn martial arts to beat someone on the streets should go kill themselves.
You are an absolute imbecile - you're literally like that doofus from the Karate Kid, training at the karate dojo to be a tough guy. You become strong through the experience of challenge, being tested not only as someone learning to fight, but someone learning how to live. The character that you build, through the patience of all of this and the lessons the adversity teaches you, train you to be a proper fighter. You learn martial arts chiefly to become a more happy, wholesome and content individual, to learn self-defense and protect others second. One comes naturally with the other.
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