so my roommate is moving to Florida from Denver to buy a small sailboat (with like 8 grand). he is convinced that it is the ideal way to live for some fucking reason. he has no experience sailing and fails to realize how shitty it would be to live on a 35 foot sailboat. so do you think this idea is the dumbest thing ever?
the dude is 20 years old and convinced that life will be non stop ocean fishing and shit like that. he will show me beat to shit boats for like 5k from the 70s and all i can do is scream internally. and his plan is to drive there and live in his car until he finds a boat. its so stupid
i meant to say 25 foot boat. he also fails to realize how fucking hot a boat will get being in the sun all day. he doesn't even know how to sail. also with how low to the water a tiny boat like that is the seasickness would be ridiculous.
As someone who almost bought a houseboat to live on this is a stupid idea. After a little research, I realized they are a complete drain on money and require a lot of upkeep and that's just living on a lake.
I can't imagine what living on the open ocean would be like and I have a feeling your friend will die
thats what im saying. he's like "oh yeah i think ill spend summer in mexico!" all the while i am facepalming like a motherfucker. not only with his limited funds, but a boat from the 70s is probably not even sea worthy. i can't believe his parents are not trying to talk sense into him. and every time i tell him this is fucking restarted he gets confrontational. he also thinks you can wake board behind a dingy life boat with a tiny ass motor.
its the stupidest thing ever. he is literally throwing away a rent free apartment, a decent job, legal weed, tons of friends, and fucking colorado to live in shit hole florida and live on a tiny ass sail boat with ZERO boat experience.
he thinks he is just going to put around the bay until he figures it out. it unbelievable. i feel like hes 20 and looking for acceptance or people to be like wow look how cool X is! he also thinks pirates drank brandy.. shit is horrible
>he has no experience sailing and fails to realize how shitty it would be to live on a 35 foot sailboat. so do you think this idea is the dumbest thing ever?
You fucking coward. This guy is in for the adventure of his life and will get a fuckload of pussy out of it. Docking from port to port, taking girls from different ports, fucking them on the high seas, dumping them on one port, finding another. Fuck man. That is the life.
If he's a gearhead, minimalist, adventurer, genuinely happy loner, and reasonably independently wealthy, then he should do it.
It's fun to try for a while.
I did it in my 20s, and I'll do it again a decade from now.
You have to let people learn by doing sometimes, OP.
thats what im saying, he just purchased a massive think sea rod and is like oh man i cant wait to be catching snapper and shit. while im thinking if it was this easy everyone and their mother would be living on boats like fucking gambodians
he works at a sporting goods store. he has 8 grand. not including the cash to get out there. i feel like this is a case of being young and dumb. im only 22 but i can still see the error in this incredibly stupid romantic idea
Does he realize the real pirates of the Caribbean was nothing like the movies?
Life was rough and usually short. There's a reason there's tons of those ships at the bottom of the ocean
He is probably going to die. If he can't sail, I'm assuming he can't navigate. He will have no idea when a storm comes through, or what to do in one, and he probably won't know how to notify the coast guard.
Say goodbye, because he is going to die.
>im only 22 but i can still see the error in this incredibly stupid romantic idea
Then he learns hard lessons from the mistakes. Gets an idea for a business that you only get from experience, becomes a millionaire while you are still trying to pay a mortgage and fuck your cheating wife.
Once you get out of sight of the shoreline it's incredibly easy to lose your direction.
I know he'll probably have a compass but even then he'll never find his port again and will likely die sailing up and down the coast looking for his dock when a storm comes in
>has no experience sailing
He'll get more experience sailing, becoming a mechanic, becoming resourceful, and becoming a man, in 2 months at sea than most faggots in suburbs ever do in their entire lives.
Be happy as fuck to know someone foolish enough to actually risk everything TRYING their idiotic dreams, rather than just forever dreaming them and being an unhappy lazy fuck like 99% of everyone else you'll meet.
He's got the rest of his life to be boring and complacent. He's young. Now is the time for crazy risk-taking.
Living in harbors isn't that big of a deal anyway. ...half the fucking boats on any dock aren't seaworthy & never leave the slip.
Not paying your phone bill will only get the wireless service shut off. The phone will still be able to operate & receive GPS signals. You just can't call someone or send a text or connect to the internet.
who is going to teach him? do they have like sailor school or someshit? i doubt old sailors just stand around smoking a pipe waiting for a dashing lad to approach them as a padawon or something?
First up tell his retarded ass to check out yachtworlddotcom and see how awful a boat you can get for 8k
Second, tell him to sign up over at sailinganarchydotcom and have him discuss the idea (hearing first hand experience from people who do this sort of shit might make him wise up)
i know its a fucking joke to me, i can't believe he is going through with it. i am going to start a death pot/ return to denver tail between legs pot with our mutual friends here
>about to finish pointless trashcan degree
>trying to decide whether to try and go NEET or move to some buddhist temple or something else ridiculous
We all have fantasies of doing something other than a shitty 9-5, have a wife and kids and go on holiday once a year and building an extension conservatory despite being ridiculously in debt from student fees, loans and mortgages like every other pleb.
But I'm coming to terms when my parents die I will probably top myself seeing as I haven't done so already because of the grief it would cause them.
If you ever see a guy going postal on the news shouting "face the feast of powder" it's probably me, screencap this post.
There are actually some proper nav apps for iPad now, but nigga better take a class or two on basic map reading & navigation first. And ocean safety. Basic sailing he can get easily enough in a book, but navigation & safety are another matter. Serriersry.
Seriously though OP, there are jobs on sailboats where he can get experience though.
When rich people charter sailboats they need crew to do the heavy lifting and he can get a lot of experience that way while making good money.
He should take his $8k and go to Florida and look for a deckhand job
he also thinks that people just leave boats there and the marinas will take them and give them out for free or for foreclosure prices. and fails to realize that if someone left them there they are probably a piece of shit
this is partially true, some marinas will sell abandoned boats for the price of unpaid marina fees, but like you said they're most likely shit heaps that were abandoned for a reason.
exactly. and what ridiculous is one of the dudes we are friends with want to come and spend the summer hanging out with him on this tiny ass boat. talk about claustrophobia and cabin fever
At least you got to go to college. I was a straight a student til I was 17 & had to drop out to try to help save the family business, in a dying industry, & took on part of the ownership & risk, which quickly turned into 3 million in personal debt by the time I was 19, unable to financially go to back to school, & I've been stuck working shit jobs that pay dick with a ruined financial history following me to my grave. I'm 37 now, no options, & not part of this society or world.
tl;dr: 10/10, would rather risk certain death on a fucking sailboat than spend decade after decade in this hopeless pointless valueless culture & life.
yeah but the thing is he is living in a rent free apartment just living easy and is 20. that sucks to hear about your life man but this kid is not even near the having his back against the wall
haha he was like" dude i can't wait to go check out Kingston Jamaica, reggae capital of the world!!" and im like you are fucking retarded you are white and american. he fails to realize the world is not a giant suburb paradise. so thinks that the south is like all blue grass and johnny cash/ country music is the only music. shit is almost funny
OP, some people get their insight from books, some people get their insight from collective social wisdom, like you are doing here, but some people have found neither of those fulfilling, reliable, or relevant, and prefer to acquire insight from experience instead.
You sound like someone that never touched the stove, because you were told it was hot and you thought about the fire inside it and figured they were probably right, and believed it was hot.
Your friend on the other hand, KNOWS stoves are hot, and has burn marks on his fingers to prove it.
eh im honestly pretty crazy when it comes to stupid stunts, but im not going to throw away a LODE of dosh on some silly endeavor that could possibly lead to my death or financial ruin in a part of the country where i know very little to noone.
My brother tried the same goddamned retarded bullshit. I had to send him 2 grand to get his boat out of hock down in New Orleans because he couldnt afford dockage.
Now i own half of a shitty sailboat.
What's your point?
Experience is better? I believed my mom when she told me not to jump off the roof of the house and I believe being able-bodied now is better than being in a wheelchair.
When someone warns you about doing something potentially lethal, the wise person heeds the advice
yeah he has his heart set on this shit like a hitler youth. its sad but at the same time i can't wait to hear about (if he survives) about how horrible it was (and how right i was)
Jesus christ just stop bitching about your idiot roommate you sound like a woman.
Every fucking post you've made is just some variation of "I'm so much smarter than my stupid roommate".
You spend your time bitching.
He spends his time dreaming.
Your roommate is going to die a much happier person than you are.
On one hand, Jamaica is a third world ex-slave colony that has been steadily declining since the fucking dark ages, & it's only saving grace is a fake ass Disney-like resort for middle class American trash.
On the other, Haiti gave us Kanye West.
So, realistically, I think Jamaica has the upper hand
eh im pretty happy to tell you the truth. just sad to loose a good friend that i always go shooting with in the mountains every weekend. a good cocaine buddy. a wingman at parties. a bro in the pit at shows. for a fuckin sailboat. that probably won't even float.
My brother did have some funny ass stories about going down the Mississippi where the barges don't care about your shitty sailboat or you for that matter. he bought his boat from a marina in Wisconsin and had to sail it across the lakes.
Well I think it's better to go out while embarking on an adventure than alone in your dark house.
Either way, fuck the credit card industry. Max them out and go out in style
>yes, that is the kind of person I am
>and I'm unable to see that some people don't value what I value, & what suffices as better for me isn't enter for them
You have almost no husiness being friends with your current friend. You should consider pursuing a careers in accounting, or finance, and your friend should pursue living on a wreck of a boa for a while & everything that comes of that. The world needs both.
There is no universal "better" that can be applied to all humans everywhere, despite what your old outdated 19th century Scottish/German cultural upbringing has pounded into you.
>Barges don't care about you
Truth. They're always running over and into shit.
I'm in Memphis and there was a story a few years ago about a dude that suicided off the bridge here and they found his body in St Louis. lol
They dragged his ass hundreds of miles upriver
First of all you aren't going to get a livable boat for eight grand, and if he thinks hes going to be able to get a space in a harbor he can forget about it, there's usually a 10 year wait list in some harbors to get a spot and 8 grand might rent you a month in some places.
I did it a few years ago, stopped after 3 months for many reasons :
- cold, insane humidity, noise problem when raining
- no hot water
- no electrecity
- shitty food cans everyday cause no cooking ustensils
- no privacy (everybody watches you when you're in the port).
All i can say is : let him do. Only him can realize how stupid the idea is, and more important, at last he will try and won't have any regrets in the future regarding this "dream".
Chicks? You don't have to live on a boat to get chicks. There are plenty of hot girls everywhere, if you are not getting any pussy where you are right now, going someplace different wont help your sorry ass.
Boats are expensive, period.
Your friend has seen "Captain Ron" one to many times. However, if he has the money, and the know how, its a different kind of life for sure.
Wonder how many people currently living on a yacht are thinking "man, if I could pawn this old boat off on someone, I'd take the money and move to Colorado and live in a little cabin up in the mountains, that would be the life........"
I lived aboard a tiny 21 foot Santana for 7 years. Bought it for 2100, put about 3k into rigging & mech on day 1, and then a few hundue a yr after that on basic maint & the odd water pump or whatever.
Boats are typically luxury items, and people often need to get out of them for all kinds of reasons; debt, divorce, inheritance, liability, etc, and great deals can be found if you're friends with the dockmasters. Otherwise the brokers & flippers usually snap em up.quick.
It can be done.
No boat can be reliably operated by someone with no experience.
The way to get the experience, is to either spend lots of time and money on books and classes, & spend a while crewing, or, just go get the boat, go out there and fuck up, start figuring it out, and gain the experience.
my 50 footer is uncormfortabel for large lenghts and cost about 80 grand
my mates step dad was a avid sailor and manage to live well on an 80 foot boat, but in all ohnesty if you are buying a boat and dont have at least 100 hours of solo sailing you will die
That's the peaceful way. The gulf and Atlantic have bull sharks, tiger sharks, hammerheads, etc.
I'd rather drown than survive a storm only to bob around as shark bait
I lived on a sailboat when I was 25. Had no experience sailing either. Went all over the Caribbean. I learned I get sea sick. Really bad. It was fun and it sucked. But it a challenge to learn dead reckoning as a form of navigation. Still amazed I never got lost. Andrew really really sucked. Most I ever puked.
>not joining your friend on an around the world voyage and fucking skanks in every port
>not taking the opportunity to spread your seed and do your family proud
>not learning how to sail the boat to make life better for both you and your friend
>mfw you're the worst kind of friend
i have skanks in colorado. florida is trashy. why the fuck would i want children with tons of women? i would be a male nigger. sailing would be cool if this were like the 1600s, but i could give a shit less about it.
You will notice at no point in my post did I suggest they would be successful.
dude, I'll sell him my sailboat for 2k. I'm tired of paying the dock fees each month. Great shape. It's just sitting on Lake Tellico, not being used. Only one death on board, my idiot step-grandfather who got drunk and drowned.