#PedosexualRights General 2
Here, pedophiles and like minded people will discuss all political pedo things.
What do we want?
>Viewing child pornography must be legalized again. Putting people on jail just for viewing images of a crime is insanity, and these laws are making people afraid to navigate the internet because of "muh honeypot". The internet should be a free place where everyone feels safe discovering the different websites, never going to jail simply for accessing a site without downloading content or without paying for something illegal.
>Production and purchase of child sex dolls and digitally created child pornography must be 100% legal
>That each and every pedosexual can come out of the closet without being fired from his job or having his life threatened by people who only have ignorance for the subject
Pedo sub-reddit: reddit.com/r/pedosexual
Videos of people defending pedosexuals:
http://youtu.be/reJUWSHwgwc (2014 documentary of a pedo coming out, not released in the west yet)
Articles everyone should read:
* www.thelocal.dk/20150303/denmark-may-introduce-porn-to-public-schools (denmark teenagers will watch actual porn videos in highschool)
Even if you are not a pedo, think of the possibilities. Once pedos start coming out of the closet, not only people will have to deal with it somehow, SJWs will be forced to side with pedos since they are oppressed. It will truly be the biggest shitstorm of our times
I'd agree if it was a victimless crime, but it isn't. Children are not smart enough or mature enough to consent to sex. Maybe I agree with the dolls and digital images, but that'd be it.
the doll and digital images I'd say are the biggest issues making pedos and non pedos alike miserable
It´s ridiculous that seeing an image of CP is a crime if you don't download/share it
>Children are not smart enough or mature enough to consent to sex.
Okay so now you've tasked yourself with explaining what exactly it is about sex that requires intelligence and maturity. Please be specific.
This issue is always impossible to debate because it involves two abstract and undefinable concepts: sex and adults.
It's hard to have a logical discussion when there are several different definitions for the subjects involved. Everyone has their own definition of what sex is. Everyone has their own definition of what an adult is. These concepts are subjective and you'll notice on these threads that the debate revolves around trying to pin down what those two words really mean.
We must get on the same page and not confuse pedophilia with ephebophilia or whatever it is. I feel over 13 should be the age of consent. Children, not teens, are not emotionally mature and are not intelligent enough to understand what is going on. Yes there are children that do understand, but again they are not ready for sex and the feelings associated with sex.
it won't happen in your lifetime. i can clearly distinguish between pedophiles and molesters and don't have any irrational hate agains pedos.
but that's really seldom in todays society. you can't just expect the liberal bandwagon will get you out of the closet. it's kind of social acceptable to beat the shit out of pedos so just do yourself a favor and stop this stupid attempt
18 year olds, on the other hand, are entirely intelligent and emotionally mature enough to make decisions that can affect their emotional and sexual development in addition to their short and long term lifestyle and prospects.
>children have sex with other children all the time
>no trauma, all good
>children that has sex with other children then decides to try someone older
>OMG TRAUMATIZED FOR LIFE SHES TOO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND SEX
all my wat
Personally I don't really care about this whole minor with sex issue, what I do care is that we are all endangered from browsing the internet because it´s always a trap if you run into CP by chance, even on 4chan
bullshit laws fucking with our civil rights
Who will speak against a governemnt when everyone is so fucking scared of having CP in the cache of our computers from browsing the internet? We must be 100% crime free, and CP laws pretty much screwed us on that
we all feel like criminals now
no, it can't be traumatic. It can be the opposite: something seen as a very positive experience, according to science.
Only forced sex is traumatic, to both kids and adults
Fine asshole. Adults understand that sex can be just that, sex. Just a physical act that is done between two adults with no emotional connection. Children cannot remove the emotional connection. So by having sex with a child it will emotionally stunt them. They will feel that there must be an emotional response to the act that was done because all children respond to everything with an emotional response. When most of the time all the pedophile wants is sex.
What exactly is traumatic about it? How does touching a penis before the age of 18 melt a human brain? Are there little particles called Traumatons that are transferred from the penis to the minor through the skin that travel up to the minor's brain and deteriorate it?
What exactly is it about sex that is so damaging?
>Fine asshole. Adults understand that sex can be just that, sex. Just a physical act that is done between two adults with no emotional connection. Children cannot remove the emotional connection.
it´s the complete opposite..
why before 18? we are talking about kids, not fucking teenagers.
it can (!) be traumatizing cause a lot of kids simply can't handle such a situation. for fucks sake a lot of things far more harmless than sex freaked me out as a kid. what's so difficult to understand, that kids simply lack of intellectual capacities of adults?
no, it can't.
have you EVER heard of children that did sexual things with other children and were traumatized by it?
No, fucking never.
Sex cannot be traumatic unless it is forced.
no i haven't. i've never heard of children who are fucking eachother in the first place. adults initiate sex, not kids.
and yeah, there may be ultra seldom cases of two 8 years old who fucked, but come on, that's fare from being usual and common
>be this girls dad
>know shes bleeding heart SJW and cares for me
>admit im pedophile but never act on it cause never hurt innocent life
>wait for her to express similar interest
>instead she begins campaign to tell people im a pedophile and its ok
I notice that you neckbeards tend to pride yourselves on your ability to be more logical than everyone else. You're always talking about how much rationality matters in all things. Yet whenever it comes to sex issues it's like you just throw your brain out the window and speak straight from your gut.
Here's a question: how do you know if you're ready for sex? Let's see how scientific and logical your answer is.
children don't see any romantic connection with sex because it´s just a physical thing for them, they aren't into romance yet. Their emotion connection is only "I like you", not "i love you", and there may be some jealousness involved too when it comes to children but just as well as it happens when you give another kid attention or a toy.
Adults are the one that have a really hard time separating sex from romantic feelings, especially women
>. i've never heard of children who are fucking eachother in the first place. adults initiate sex, not kids.
someone came from a very repressive environment or simply was too ugly as a kid to get the action
Sorry, but it is extremely common for kids to do sexual things with each other, play doctor and that kind of shit
A word of advice OP.
The "hashtag" (#) outside of twitter is now a common tool to remove seriousness and importance from diverse topics.
If you added it on purpose so the "cool" crowd will pick it up you are actually putting a huge sign that says "Don't take any of this seriously" for any people with actual critical thinking.
>yeah, there may be ultra seldom cases of two 8 years old who fucked, but come on, that's fare from being usual and common
That's a good point that you bring up but it's inaccurate. The truth is that there are several kids that are not asexual. I think within this thread there will probably be a few personal anecdotes from people who remember being horny before puberty.
How common is this? Well we don't actually know. The subject is way too taboo to do any research on. But it is safe to say that some kids are asexual and some are not.
>how do you know if you're ready for sex?
there is no "ready for sex", it´s a myth. Just like there is no "ready for eating cake for the first time". It´s just a physical sensation.
In the case of children, actual penetration in holes can be damaging depending on age, how deep it goes and things like that, however for things like oral sex it doesn't matter.
"Ready for sex" is a social convention. We made it into a big thing that supposidely is life changing, but it isn't
All civilization and tribes of the world have had rituals to symbolize someone's passing from childhood to adulthood (notice that being a "teenager" is a relatively modern invention, there wasn't such thing in the past).
Our society chose sex for it because of religion, and we are pretty fucking screwed in the head from that
here were I live there was a lot of sexual things going on, including playful butsecks on the girls, all before age 10.
Lots of sister/brother, friend/friend, cousin/cousin shit going on. It´s pretty normal, you missed out on it anon
Even my friends from school told me the ydid sexual things too as a kid with other kids
Sex is inherently traumatic. The only people who can safely have sex are those who are old enough to have built up the proper mental defenses to survive it. You can only build those defenses by rotating around the sun 18 times.
^^ this is what moralfags actually believe
>adults initiate sex, not kids
Not true. I was sexual at 10 years old. Always tried to hit on the daycare assistants. They ignored me so I hit on my older cousin. I was ten. He was 17. We had full on sex.
I've lived a normal life
You are right I cannot find any source on that. All I have is antecedent evidence from people I have talked to. All of the people I know who had sex under 13 are emotionally stunted. Even when it was consensual. Like my roommate.
>And by the way, you just got served a very scientific answer, founded on Anthropology and psychology.
a scientific answer that seems to support the theory that sex is not inherently traumatic and therefore, can be safe for kids.
I do agree with this. If gay people have rights, why not pedo? I'm neither gay nor pedo myself but it seems pretty hypocritical. Both are acts of sexual deviancy and as long as no rape occurs then should people be ashamed of one but actually proud of the other? Shit's pretty fucked up.
Well that's all OP is asking. And to be frank when I was 10-12 I knew full well what I liked and didn't like. And I knew I loved huge tits. I would have had no problem consenting to any sexual actions with some chick with a nice rack.
What victims? We're talking about sex, not violence. Allowing your kid to race motorcycles or use firearms to hunt animals are actually dangerous and could actually harm the kid.....but sex? Everyone has sex, and everyone wishes that they would have had sex sooner than they did, so what's the big deal?
just a normal place anon
Most families were christian but not really church goers, rich, good neighborhood, no violence.
Most of those kids today are not in high paying jobs, engineering, lawyers
The one kid that never got to have sex as kid there is actually the one that turned fucked up with no money and all other problems.
I'd say having sex as a kid helps with your sexual maturity
>not ready for sex and the feelings associated with sex.
wut? We are talking about sex, not "love making". It feels good and is fun. That's like saying kids aren't emotionally ready for a amusement park.
I'd agree with you except that legalizing the viewing of child porn creates an incentive for its creation. If everyone was allowed to watch child porn the demand for it would drastically increase and the supply would increase to match. Also how would you feel if you/your child was involved and it can legally be viewed?
Otherwise you're right, the way we treat pedophiles is disgusting.
They are not normal by society's standard. Their relationships suffer from this. By emotionally stunted I mean they do not understand their emotions. It mainly revolves around love/intense liking. Most of them think sex=love. When that is definitely not the case.
Three Year Old Brides - Globalfire.tv
>legalizing the viewing of child porn creates an incentive for its creation
no, because making child porn is still illegal
Images of people being raped for real are not illegal, yet we don't ban them because it encourages people to make rape videos
Free press bitch, we need freedom of press and of images so society can be educated on issues and make the best decisions regarding how to handle them
THe fact people don't see CP images is partially why the subject is such a taboo to talk about
You're slow. This has been done before. It didn't work.
I'm glad more and more people are coming around to this way of thinking. I would go so far as to say that everybody should be free to transmit any information whatsoever on any internet (barring, of course, breaking and entering and logging on to people's computers)
>In what country exactly is stumbling upon some CP a crime?
USA, UK, Australia, pretty much everywhere
Part of the problem is that when you see a CP thumbnail on your browser, it actually get saved to your computer on the browser cache. According to the law, congratulations, you now have CP stored on your computer.
What country do you live in?
Consent is always a very grey area as is, with adults even.
I think people are afraid of a slippery slope effect when you start talking about "pedophile rights".
Now, while your touching a childs penis may not result in an obvious wound like, for example, touching a hot stove will burn the skin, think about all the extra bullshit that goes along with it. At worst, you admit to recognizing a problem with society and how we perceive such things, now, think of all that shame and guilt and fucked upness in general that child will be dealing with as a result of that experience, perhaps not from you directly, but others? society? our culture? Yes, indeed. Children should be out playing and being children, not stuck in fucking counsellors offices and shit(been there, done that, daughter of a pedo here btw).
You see what's going on now and always with consent laws, date rape, etc. with ADULT women. Good luck proving consent with a child; if it ever were to get that far(which it won't, because, well, our society generally does not like to admit that we are sexual beings, it frightens us - take from that whatever you like).
With all this talk about "muh freedom", I'm curious to know your views on the war on drugs =)
What does that even mean?
See what I'm saying? You're bringing in these subjective terms like "love" and using them as if they were real concrete things?
Saying children confuse love and sex is a ridiculous argument because neither one of those things can really be defined.
Don't go to the extreme. Strong images like decapitations are prohibited in some sites like Youtube because of the so easy access to it. And not everyone can tolerate their eyes seeing something like that.
Put a gun in your mouth faggot.
You're broken and wired wrong and so is every person attracted to children, children are a lot like dogs, they love and trust people so they are blind to the hurt some of you faggots can cause to them.
You disgust me.
You should read Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson =) at least just the first half, anyways. You're bending reality to suit your beliefs. Children do not have sex as you know sex, my friend. Sorry, but it's true. Yes, experimentation is generally not something to worry about but FULL ON SEX, as YOU and other adults know and define it, does not happen unless there's a history of sexual abuse. That is the truth. You are attempting to cherry-pick information, and you're not even doing it well(wikipedia pls).
>Now, while your touching a childs penis may not result in an obvious wound like, for example, touching a hot stove will burn the skin, think about all the extra bullshit that goes along with it.
I've been asking people to explain what "extra bullshit" means and why sex creates "extra bullshit"
>. I would go so far as to say that everybody should be free to transmit any information whatsoever on any internet
when governments went on the "let´s ban CP images" route, that´s the point people against it made to them. By hidding this kind of information, not only it would lead to MORE harm to children in the end, people wouldn't be educated on the issue
20 years later, and this is where we are. Now pedos are seen as monsters, kids are angels with no sexuality in them (wonder why we have to tell them its wrong to "touch yourself there"), ages of consent are 18+ and seeing a 15yo naked on the internet who sent a sexting image can get you in jail for 20 years
Omg you pedophiles are fucking retards.
You're never getting rights. Its not going to happen.
Not even die hard liberal homos will support you, because they know that would support the rights "Slippery slope" arguement about gay rights, and it would backfire in the LGBT communities face.
Its never happening you sick fucks.
Sex can't be defined? Tell me when was the last time you had sex that had no emotion to it? I am not saying it can't happen but people cannot separate the emotion from sex until they are emotionally mature.
I live in Poland.
I am not a lawyer, but I have read a bit on this matter and, at least in my country, there have been no instances of penalizing someone for just watching CP, without storing it on his hard drive.
But that isn't a slipperly slope argument. It's not one event leading to another, it's the fact that if you believe everybody is equal, then Paedophiles, Zoophiles, Sistercons/Brothercons/Mothercons/Fathercons are the same as Trans* and homosexuals.
So, you either DON'T think everybody is equal and to be equally protected, cared for and treated, or you DO think everybody is to be equally protected, cared for and treated, therefore you cannot hate Paedophiles/Zoophiles/Incest relationships, because that is discrimination.
I'm not a pedophile, but I surf the deep web alot, and by accident I found pedo porn, and when my curiosity wanted to check a video, it was so much professional made and girls looked satisfied and happy. It's not hurting them. I think videos like those should be legalised
>full on sex
and who says full on sex damages kids?
And who says the job of adults is not to teach kids how to properly have sex and enjoy it?
What if then, only "experimentation" is allowed between adults and kids?
You are the one pushing arguments here
what the fuck is full on sex anyway
This is a symptom of early sexual abuse. This would also explain your own attraction to youngsters. Get some counselling, you do not need to live this way. If not for the potential children in your life, then for yourself. One day you will tell the wrong person and they're going to smash your face into the concrete.
>Its never happening you sick fucks.
>happened throughout history more than it didn't by far
This is the only time in human history where we've had laws preventing child/adult sex as far as I know
It's the same in UK, I believe. Viewing CP isn't illegal, it only is if you store it, distribute it and stuff. Otherwise you could literally arrest everybody on /b/ when somebody posts some CP.
It's also very easily defended in a court of law without solid evidence.
If cp were legalised it would encourage it's production, therefore encouraging the kidnapping and abusing of children to put on film. At least faggots don't encourage the harm of anyone through exploitative means.
However, paedophiles aren't all inherently bad, that much is obvious; just the child-molesters. Provided a paedo never acts on their fetish in any way, I don't think anyone should have a problem with them. That said, it's a slippery slope for many paedophiles to eventually become child-molesters, which is why there is such negative view of them. If you had children, you wouldn't take any risks.
To put a bullet in the next point that will inevitably rise in the defence of adults having "consensual" sex with a child, what kind of parent would let you fuck their child? Children have decisions and such made for them by their parents up until they are no longer technically children.
Every one of you will be dead and buried, along with many later generations, long before you will legally be allowed to have sex with a child as an adult. And that's that. You can cry all you want. Welcome to being the most hated people on earth
>looks at OP's pic
Interesting the way that the text goes at an angle on the last line of that poster....you might want to work on that shop master.
On a side note you can't be born a pedophile because its all good and legal till you hit 16...or 18 or whatever other number your local government decided to be appropriate.
>no, because making child porn is still illegal
Yes but you can profit from it and now it doesn't endanger your clientele, which is good for business.
>Images of people being raped for real are not illegal, yet we don't ban them because it encourages people to make rape videos
Was not aware of this, not sure if that's true. Maybe it should be distribution rather than viewing that's illegal.
Yes some children are very smart, yes most know now that strangers shouldn't be talked to. But what if the scenario is that it's a family friend that assualts the kids? That's usually what happens 90% of the time in these scenarios. It's fucked, because a kid trusted that person just as much as their parents and have been hurt by them causing irreversible damage that messes with them for the rest of their lives.
no, this is a sympton of us turning on the TV and seeing hot girls, staying up late hiding from our parentes to see shows on TV where the girls showed boobs
did all that as a kid, if you didn't you are 100% faggot
What the fuck is wrong with you? No child porn should not be legalized again, for the reason that no matter if the person watching is doing no damage, a child was abused in the video. Someone watching and enjoying child abuse is not an innocent person.
The woman in the image raises a very good point, but her point is that her father admitted to his desires but put being a good father and a good person before acting on the desires in any way. He was innocent, because feeling an attraction is not wrong if you are born that way. People who actively foster this as a fetish by watching porn, engaging in sex with child dolls, etc. are not innocent because they are developing their fantasy and run the risk of ending up acting on their desires with a real child.
>If cp were legalised it would encourage it's production, therefore encouraging the kidnapping and abusing of children to put on film.
Hmm... what about 18 porn actresses? Some of them have had sex for years.
Not all children fear sex as I am concerned. So it will work if the kid wanted it by herself/himself? I don't know.
You obviously have not though, since that is not normal. It may be hard to admit, but you, your life, your interests, etc. are the product of sexual abuse - it's obvious. Your fetishizing of children is a direct result, even. If you dealt with it, properly, you wouldn't have to worry about this kind of thing since you'd not be sick in the head. An interest in, as you say, "full on sex" at that age is a glaring red flag/symptom that you were a victim yourself; you don't know what it is to have a "normal" life, you only know your own, obviously high-risk childhood.
legal definition =/= medical definition =/= common vernacular definition
this phenomenon is so common that many people spend 6-10 years of school learning to understand either medical or legal english
You can't allow images of real children to exist because then the makes a market for it. Look at the ivory trade.
>but the elephant is already dead so me buying this ivory isn't going to hurt anyone
>but the elephant is already dead so me taking this ivory off its mr. skeltal isn't harming it
No, actually it is. That's why they destroy ivory when they intercept illegal shipments of it.
It's one thing to say some pedos would never hurt a child and force them to be in lewd pictures even if they do like viewing those pics. But it cannot be allowed.
CAN not will. That's the distinction. Sex can be traumatic and plenty of children have been traumatized by being raped. So have many adults.
Some children have been traumatized by sports and movies too. Sex CAN be traumatic but it is not INHERENTLY traumatic. That is the distinction that needs to be stressed in these debates.
That and the fact that not all children are asexual. If people would understand those two points the debate about pedophilia would be moved ahead by decades.
>It's the same in UK, I believe. Viewing CP isn't illegal, it only is if you store it, distribute it and stuff. Otherwise you could literally arrest everybody on /b/ when somebody posts some CP.
You have no idea.
UK is one of the countries that makes 0% distinction between "right-click save" and a file being in the browser cache. UK is one of the most dangerous places for stumbling upon internet CP
just do a research and you'll see
People tend to think CP laws are fair and have common sense, they don't at all
On top of it all, CP laws were pretty much made BEFORE the internet existed, where file sharing was 100% different, and they have not been updated
We can't prevent this things on kids, but we also can't do it with rapists.
Bad people will never leave this world, and a kid should be able to distinguish between good and bad as any grown person.
The situation you say could happen to any age. It's my opinion.
If sharing ISIS videos were legalized, it would encourage it´s production, therefore encouraging the kidnappin and abusing of people to put on the film.
Now think about this for a while.
Im not saying that. I'm saying letting children who are between 3 and 10 have sex will traumatize them. If you cannot understand why, you are obviously set in your beliefs and will not change. which good for you buddy.
You're saying that a 12 year old should have just as much knowledge and experience with human interactions as someone the age of 20, with completely different life situations that have no effect on anyone else but them.
Your opinion is really fucking stupid.
Better ban gore and violent video games while you're at it, people were hurt and are portrayed being hurt in those types of material. Wouldn't want someone going on a rampage on their quest to quench their thirst for blood. If you can't tell I'm trying to point out your autistic logic.
People seem to be missing the point.
There's nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to children, as long as you don't act on.
Looking at 'real' child pornography can be a crime since a child had to be a victim.
But dolls/drawing etc are victimless and the idea that looking at such things increases the likelihood of someone being a peadophile has no basis in fact.
>it's a slippery slope for many paedophiles to eventually become child-molesters
That's never actually been proven. Just because being a paedophile is usually a prerequisite for child molesting doesn't mean that paedophiles who don't act on it would ever molest a child.
I wasn't implying rape wasn't traumatic.
OP strictly says "pedophilia", no mention of hebephilia so yes. <13. FTR, I generally do not have a huge issue with 13+ having sex either. I began my first sexual relationship a week after my 14th birthday - I turned out fine. mostly. lol.
No, I'm not saying it MUST happen. All I say is that it CAN happen.
I've known kids who already know what sex is.... while me at their age didn't even know what a vagina was, lol.
Saying that everyone is either equal or different is a gross oversimplification of my point of view. I don't believe everyone is equal. I believe everyone should be given an equal and fair chance to be a decent human being. A murderer needs to be treated differently than someone who is innocent in a reasonable society. But first, the murderer must be identified as a murder by a standard that is equal to the standard that identifies the innocent person as innocent. That being said, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the groups you mentioned.
If they're under the age of puberty. Your sexual desires are based largely on your younger years.
Not to mention children trust adults, so "consent" just means they agree to it. They don't actually understand what they're agreeing to.
Why do you think "grooming" is a real thing?
I WILL WRITE IN ALL CAPS SO THAT I WILL GET A RESPONSE OR AT LEAST GET CALLED A FAGGOT. MY QUESTION IS CAN ANYONE PROVIDE STATISTICS OR A STUDY THAT HELPS IDENTIFY EXACTLY HOW A CHILD IS TRAUMATIZED BY A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH AN ADULT?
I NEVER GET AN ANSWER FOR THIS IN THESE TYPES OF THREADS THEY ALL BRING UP CONJECTURE BULLSHIT. I WANT FACTS NIGGA.
Um. Neither is child porn? It's done because they people filming it.
Sharing it and getting something in return is just a bonus for them. Not like they'd stop or even be discouraged if they weren't allowed to film and sell it.
Meisterchän was only a myth to scare the children wasn't it?
Man, i'd like to see a show hosted by Hanson where pedos get baited and when they arrive at the spot they're welcomed by a bunch of convicts that rape and beat the fuck out of them. That shit would be a hit.
An accident resulting in a human growing inside you can fuck up your life. Sex isn't a fucking amusement park, it's playing with one of the most life changing (for better or for worse) consequences possible, besides dying.
lel that show is so dumb
Going after people that want to fuck 14,15 yo girls when that is legal in most places of the world
No wonder the show got cancelled, it was being compared to a modern witch hunt and even lead to some suicides
Only in america gentlemen
Jewish rabbi blames children for pedophilia
I can only speak from my own experience of course, but I've been interested in sex since I was about 9. Lots of experimenting with friends and schoolmates, first actual intercourse at 12 with my neighbor. Nothing traumatizing, it was all very organic and quite awesome. It wasn't until I was 17 and the concepts of love and relationships got thrown into the equation that everything went to shit.
Oh , you havent heard the news? Hansen is back.
Hey OP, I feel the same way about gore. The public and governments often demand gore sites be shut down permanently by courts of law. Really though, I'd rather gorephiles get their jollies off on online photos.
It's beside the point, you said you would feel traumatized if some faggots forced you to have sex with them, or got you drunk and fucked you. That even tho its rape is still sex, so why yes?
Children can be easily manipulated for consent via so many methods (deception, intimidation) even if they initially instinctively refused cooperation. Thing is, you can't explain human rights or laws to a child, expect them to understand those rights and after that expect them to make decision based on the understanding of those rights, which they never can obtain in the first place due to insufficient congnitive developement stage.
Looks like the edgy "kill all the pedos" are becoming a minority and we can actually discuss laws now
Everyone is fucking tired of being afraid of browsing the internet and stumbling on "muh honeypot" and going to jail or being raided just for accessing a fucking website
We should be free to browse the internet. As long as we don't buy illegal shit through it or upload illegal shit, we should be 100% model citizens.
The internet is about freedom of information. We can't have that if everyone is too afraid to open less known websites because of Draconic CP laws.
Those laws have to change, now.
Adult women and men can be coerced into sex as well. In fact its the #1 reason you get laid. You had to groom an adult to sleep with you. Movie and a dinner, money, nice car, its the same shit. If you fall for it (which we all do) then you deal with it. If you don't fall for it. Then good for you for not thinking with greed in mind.
Well ladida faggot, you just answered your own question. Children dont have the full knowledge about certain things, they're easily manipulated.So how the fuck can they consent to something they dont understand completely or at all?
>I will never accept that pedophilia is nothing but a mental disease. So disregarding the fact that a "mental disease" is subjective to the culture you live in, if the APA was actually allowed to do studies on pedophilia without the chilling effect then we'd probably get a better idea if it is truly a mental disease. By your statement, however, you refuse any argument or facts that could prove other than your opinion. In other words, you are close minded and the worst kind of scientist or person to argue with.
>Trash it goes.
meh, by watching cp you're supporting it. especially if you're paying for it. soo then you're supporting the criminals who make profits off cp production. if there were nobody to watch cp then there would be no cp basically. cause there wouldn't be a point. which is what any normal person would wish for. thats probably why you're not suppose to watch it. but yeah i don't have anything against pedophiles who do no harm. i mean the porn is already out there right? its not like you can turn back time for those poor kids.
and you can pay grown women for sex. Your point?
That´s why age of consent laws state that people in positions of power (parents, teachers, family members) can't have sex with people under their power until the person is 18, even if the age of consent in the country is 14
This shouldn't change, unless in the next years it´s proven that say the age of consent drops to 5, 6, and it is proven that kids when properly taught at school about sex and what is ok and what is not can deal with it
Whenever I was in second grade I would have fucked a lot of people in my class, hell even me and one of my friends messed around. You people who think children don't fuck each other are retarded, I know plenty of people 11 and up that have had sex and are just fine. Also when I was three or four me and some friends also messed around.
guys guys, whats that story about eunice and charlie johns? fuckers married her by giving a doll for wedding tribute
Even though I have a pro-pedophilia stance towards this argument, I'd like to point out that the youngest pregnancy recorded was a young Peruvian girl at the age of 5 years 7 months. Kids can still get pregnant, just not many. It's all on a case by case basis depending on their body development and hormones.
Your logic makes zero sense.
If you don't want to do something. Then dont. If you want to do something knowing you'll be rewarded. Then that's your choice as an adult or a child. Its all the same thing.
Humans love to be rewarded for anything.
>Work at shit job and be treated like shit
>won't quit because money is my reward
There for work is rape, coercion, manipulative, and traumatizing.
That's not at all what I'm talking about though when I said "slippery slope", I'm talking about legalities - first it's alright to view such images, then a little more and a little more until the frog is boiling to death. I need a moment, on the phone, but I'll reply in a few.
You're confusing ignorant people making poor choices with congnitive inability to comprehend adult ideas. Human brain isn't fully developed up until age of 15, therefore children are physically incapable of processing information which they would require to use in order to make a decision about consent (a reason why children go to school at a certain age and the reason why education system starts with learning basic stuff first and not learning particle physics at the same time they learn alphabet), unlike adults.
So if you watch isis videos and support it so I can come kick you door in and torture and kill you because you just a terrorist
Heres the thing about sex, everyone is ready for it at a different age, some arent ready until they are 18+, some 16+ some even as low as 13+ im sure, obviously there is also the problem of PHYSICALLY ready which must be abided by, but as for mentally the whole point of the age limit and it being 18 is to protect those who arnt ready yet, its to protect those who could be seriously mentally scarred by it because they simply arnt ready, its not to say no one is ready for sex until they are 18, its simply a failsafe, i personally feel the failsafe would be fine at the age of 16 instead but not below that.
Now here's the tricky part. Because I also don't believe in hollow pointless codependant relationships. So if someone were to develop a friendship with my daughter. Comply with safe dating terms. And after an appropriate amount of time had passed and both wanted to further the relationship. Then yes.
This is HANDS DOWN the stupidest thing I have EVER read on this ENTIRE site!
There is no comparison. If you cannot differentiate between the 2 ... well, I don't even know what to say. Holy shit. Speechless. That's a completely new, unfounded level of R-tard.
No stats, just my experience.
>I have an older sister. She's three years older than me.
>When I was six, we were shown a porno by a creepy second cousin who was much older than us.
>We copied what we saw occasionally over the next 2-3 years.
>Every relationship I had as an adult was tainted by that and it put a barrier between me and the rest of the world.
>Eventually I gave up on relationships.
>39 now. Don't expect to find someone I can truly open up to.
>Main reason I use /b/.
>I wish that shit had never happened.
>It took innocence and replaced it with shit.
so basically what im saying is that this is not morally wrong as a whole but in fact morally wrong on a case by case basis and to protect those cases a law must be in place with a age limit.
You're cherry picking, and not even well. There are COUNTLESS sources, literally hundreds of thousands of studies that prove that sex with an adult = negative consequences. Literally.
Not to mention
> wikipedia, pls
So they can learn to suck a dick then and enjoy it
Meme is what this thread will be
I agree wholeheartedly that things must change... However I know a few people IRL who would probably kill me for my sexual orientation... So I'm just gunna stay in the closet, and sign online petitions through a VPN.
>mfw I found 2 sources in 2 seconds
>mfw I have no face
Its funny that people say this now.
but in 50 years when the zoofags are marching in the streets because they just want the same rights to marry thier one true love as the homosexuals can do because it dosent matter that they love a dog they are equal to all of us.
i wonder if people will still be calling it a slippery slope.
animal fucking will not happen for some time.
First we will get homosexual rights shoved on us.
Then there will be pushes to lower the age of consent to 15 or 16... then 14. then 13 ect ect untill you can fuck an 8 year old.
GOD MADE YOU GAY AND I ACCEPT THAT! WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT THE FACT GOD MADE ME SO THAT I AM ATTRACTED TO CHILDREN?!?!?!?
OMG YOU ARE JUST LIKE THOSE MEANY FACED REPUBLICANS!
And she is positive it couldn't have been any other major factors within her life that could have contributed to her current sexual orientation? I wouldn't put it past her that it could be the sole reason for her makeup, however, didn't she choose to do make this decision? Seems more like sexual exploration than environmental factors that contributed to her orientation.
Some pedos are exclusive (means they only are attracted to younger kids) and some are non-exclusive (can be attracted to kids but also adults and so on). This means that some pedos, even after their partner grows older, can still love them for their physical self as well as their personality. Also, even the exclusive ones can still love their partner way after they grow out of their desired age group. Simple logic with other orientations suggests this. I mean, most older people are not into older people, they desire younger able bodied people to have sex with. However, older couples find love in more than just sex and physical desire. Such is the same for any other orientation that doesn't allow for the physical desire to overwhelm the mental desire. If this was the case, wouldn't this person not be in a long term relationship regardless of orientation?
You mean with other children or adults? If you wanna be so specific about it. Even if you would say that it is consensual the law would still call it rape and/or abuse so it's not weird that the articles name them that.
Your personally rationalizing my words to fit your predefined idea that all pedos want is a child to fuck. No this isn't entirely false, but you completely seem to neglect the idea of the pedo finding a person near their own age, finding acceptance, love, and living happily? Maybe even being able to jack it to his/her fetish porn once in a while.
I hate pedogags as much as the next guy, but there is a good point being brought up. Children and teens are easily taken advantage of due to how easily impressionable they are. So why are teens allowed to take hormone therapies to alter their gender? People who let their children become trans are no better than pedos. They are just potentialy ruining their lives by facilitating the altering of their bodies. Sjw will have no choice but to defend pedos; otherwise they will be contradicting themselves.
>35yo dating 10yo
Ten years go by
>45 dating 20
Why leave a 10 year relationship?
Why ruin all that?
You're still doing great banging a 20yo at 45.
Most likely the girl would leave the guy unless it was a strong bond
you know that if this was a real concern for real adults and men this thread wouldn't be in 4chan right.
i mean pedos are just not men. they're wimps who are afraid of real women. sure, some young girls are hot but come on, there's got to be something really wrong with you to make THIS a main concern in your life. or the life that you don't have. grow up. stop being a faggot.
So you're implying that pedophiles will completely leave their partners after they reach the age of consent because they are no longer within their desired age group for sex? You are making the assumption that all pedos only want sex. Many pedos have expressed the desire to form a long lasting relationship with a child that will last throughout their life. Your statement is blatant overgeneralizing of an entire orientation. As for proof, take a visit to the deep web or even clearnet chat sites for pedophile advisory, you will find many talking about their ideal relationships. Many express a desire for love. Not all of them want this, some just want sex which is understandable because we're human.
>faggots are just wimps for not wanting real women
>there's got to be something really wrong with SOCIETY to make THIS a main concern in your life
Gee, I wonder what will happen if I go out for help or act on my nature. Oh look, some nice people willing to throw themselves in jail trying to kill me for thought crimes.
>still wondering why it's a concern
Search: "The Vatic Project: Germany and EU to Legalize Pedophilia and with it, Child Pornography as well!"
Sex is not inherently traumatic.
Thoughts should not be a crime.
Parents should have the right to raise their children however they see fit.
Children experiencing sex is not a bad thing.
Regardless of legal definitions, children can consent and absolutely do sometimes have sexual urges.
Society in general has a mob rule mentality when it comes to children and base many of their laws on knee-jerk reactions because they don't want to think about the topic in depth.
Just a couple of points I wanted to submit.
"long lasting relationship with a child"
the children will grow up to be adults one day. it's impossible for a pedophile to have an actual relationship with a child that involves love. also because children do not know what love is and if pedophiles idea of "relationship" with a child equates sexual abuse. why would a victim stay with their abuser? they wouldn't. not in a million years. if you think that pedophiles can actually have a lovey dovey relationship with a child the same way you would with an adult your age....................you're retard as well.
Pedos can fuck whatever they want, but i for one if i will have kids and i find one of those fuckers even chating or trying to hit on them 2 thing will happen:
1)Beat them till they're in a coma
2)I go to prison and they go in the ground.
kek. it's not "sex" it's rape. they're not old enough to consent legally AND mentally. also, parents don't have a right to always raise their children however they want. if they tell their kids to jump off a bridge are you okay with that? just because they're biologically their parents it doesn't mean they will know what is best. any parent who is okay with their children having sex should an hero.
>it's impossible for a pedophile to have an actual relationship with a child that involves love.
How so? You can't love a young human? Do parents not love their children? Do you not love an animal?
>also because children do not know what love is
Do children not love their pets, parents, friends, or even objects?
You're head is so far in the sand its insane