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You have to be one selfish, uncaring motherfucker to be so willfully blind to the world around you in order to kill yourself. Tkae Robin as an example.. Famous, lots of family, money for several lifetimes, could do whatever with whoever. Dies of depression. Fuck off.
>>612039193 Actually, fuck your shit. I was clinically diagnosed with depression and started "treatment" for it. I woke up one day and decided to stop being a little bitch about life. Actually just started getting out there and got a job, found new friends, got a really great girl. Fuck your limited perspective of life. Get the fuck up and change your life, because nobody else can do it for you. YOU are the only thing holding you down.
Another 12yo that thinks depression is just someone being "uncaring motherfucker". Seriously, grow up. Next time you got a disease, doesn't search for a medic, just think to yourself being an "uncaring motherfucker".
>>612039193 I've been depressed. No matter how much i wanted to kill myself, in my mind I knew there was way more out there, and that people make it off worse than I do. Like if a homeless guy who gets shit day in day out can stay alive, why can't I with a house a job school and at least some money. Like how fucking weak does that make me for going through with it, I ain't about that life.
>>612039193 I was diagnosed with chronic depression when I was 14. Regardless if that is actually a real diagnosis or not, I've had my days where suicide was a possibility. What I also realized is that suicide is a shitty answer. When I was 15, one of my friends hung himself because his best friend dies and he was "too hurt to go on". So instead of fixing his pain, he caused pain to about two-to-three hundred other people. While everyone else grieved, I called him out for being a selfish bastard. It's a shitty thing to do. Committing suicide is one thing, but if it involves anyone else besides yourself, than you can go fuck yourself.
It's a mental disorder, people with perfect lives can start hating everything and getting upset and kill themselves, it's the opposite of being rational, that's why it's called a, "disorder" or, "illness"
For example, I naturally have very little emotions, I can't help that, you must have aspects of your personality you have no conscious control of either
>>612038428 What is so noble about living in this institution? Would it be better to kill you fucks who feed the system and warehouse your brothers like chattle. That rob the earth for its liberties for the sake of comforts? For some rich fucks and their private armies, or the populist and his followers. To live in a world where blood is not permitted to seek blood? Is the preservation of every life whether willing or not truly our highest calling? Com on with that. The survival of this girl is not your interest. She saw nothing noble in living for the sake of being just another living being. Stop trying to save everyone from everything, you aren't really helping humanity that way. So suicide flies a flag in the face of your faggotry, fuck off.
>>612040073 I'm saying that those are the first few steps out of depression. Realizing that you're worth the time of other people, and that you actually do matter. That's a BIG thing to realize when you're feeling like a piece of shit all the time.
>>612039621 The last time I got super depressed a fair maiden threw herself at me. She saw the value in me my family and country now neglect. I have different feelings now. Some scared, some bold, not depressed.
>>612038428 >>612038966 See I think selfish faggots who get mad at people for killing themselves are the worst. Your body is the ONLY thing you actually own. Who are you to say that someone has to stay here if they don't want to? I have had 2 family members commit suicide and I'm not mad at them, one was sick the other was mentally unstable so what. When it comes down to it anyone has the absolute freedom to end their human experience at anytime, as long as they don't physically harm others doing so. Pro suicide. Anti fascism.
>>612040218 That's also part of the point, dipshit. It can ALWAYS be worse. So why are you (not you directly, but depressed people) just sitting here and not changing your life to something that makes you want to get up in the morning?
>>612040578 Depression isn't a switch you can turn off and then go out and change your life. Depression is also not necessarily caused by a lifestyle. It's a mental illness, not a mood or anything like that.
>>612038428 I'm depressed (on and off for life, strange childhood) and likely have some other undisagnosed mental condition. Probably bipolar as an educated guess, I just don't have the money to pay a specialist in Canada to help diagnose me. All a GP will do is give you SSRIs (doesn't work for me, makes it worse) or pretty much whatever drug you ask for, and not help solve the problem. A therapist is fucking useless.
Do I REALLY want to bitch to a therapist about my trivial problems? Fuck no, they'll just tell me they're as small as I know they are. I am the laziest motherfucker alive, and deserve to die. The thing that keeps me going the most is my Cat of 15 years. Nobody would adopt her fatass so she'd be euthanized if I died. My mom might kill herself too, but I know she's strong. I just don't want to see her suffer any more after all the years spend repairing her life after my father. Maybe that girl in the pic was sick of herself too.
I didn't expect you to be even more stereotypical. You're reaching the top right now, congratulations.
Honestly, if you don't have any empathy whatsoever you ought to shut your little cunt mouth on the subject. This thread baits aside is truly pathetic. Actually the worst would be that some of you dummies genuinely think that you have a huge empathy.
>>612040883 What part of I was diagnosed with depression and just got over it didn't you understand? You can't just "switch" it off, no, but you can change what makes to so miserable into something better, and get on with your 14 year old life.
>>612041084 Yeah, it's stereotypical motherfucker, but it's also the truth. Your life probably sucks to you, but at least you're not living as a niggress in the middle of africa starving half to death and listening to jamal jack off. Fuck off.
>>612041234 maybe you werent depressed you were just a bitch about everything and thats why you could just stop being a bitch. a real depression messes with your brain chemistry you cant just get over it
I was depressed, not clinically mind you but things really didn't seem like it was looking up for me, what with my shit grades and zero inspiration to move on to college, which is what my school tried to insist on me doing. So I packed up my stuff, joined the military, and left that small ass town to get a bigger perspective. I left with a duffle bag and now I'm travelling Asia seeing what's really offered in life. Sometimes, you need a huge change of scenery.
One of the biggest problems for people dealing with depression is the 'buck up and get over it' attitude of people around them. It trivialises the disorder and generally is a pretty stupid thing for people to say, what people should actually do is recommend that person gets help from a therapist or doctor.
Sure you get the cases where someone goes "I conquered it on my own, there's no need for drugs or therapy!" but then you have to go and take a long look at the fucking ridiculous rate of depression and suicide in young people (males especially) and maybe think that it's not just some trivial disorder everyone can combat with willpower alone.
If as a society we put more money and education into treating/recognising mental health issues then those suicide rates wouldn't be that high. If the waiting times to see a therapist or doctor over these issues weren't as long and as troublesome to get, then we'd not have the suicide rates that high. And if people like OP stopped bitching about shit so they could find someone to unload their hate/rage onto and instead worked constructively to make mental health less of a bogeyman that "You can totally get over by manning up, what are you fucking weak?" then teh suicide rates wouldn't be as high as they are.
TLDR? OP stop being a bitch and actually research what you're discussing before you post something ignorant and the kind of edgy shit that every teen goes through on their way to actually having an opinion on important topics.
>>612041521 Pretty sure that sums up depression as a whole. Real depression does fuck with your brain chemistry, what a great excuse. Real happiness changes your brain chemistry too. What a coincidence.
>>612038428 How about FUCKING NORMIES LIKE YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Imagine waking up everyday and having this routine of sitting naked on the end of your bed dont see the point of getting dressed and you just sit then stand up then lay down then stand up just no motivation to do anything. Trying to find something worth doing and you repeat this everyday.
>>612041945 No, it doesn't, but it does offer you some greater perspective of how much you do have in your own life. Something to be happy about. A step towards a better way of life. Helps in the long run to cherish the shit you do have, because when it's gone it's gone.
>>612042313 No, lol. I just decided to live. It's not as hard as you think it is. Again, not to imply that it is easy, because it isn't, but it isn't as hard to upkeep a happy and motivational life as you may believe it to be.
>>612039462 i was exactly the same, depressed for 6 months straight four years ago. then i realised (after my friend told me that i was being a lazy retard) that i was wasting my time. so i got a job, saved up some money and went to college. now i have a girlfriend who's moving in with me this summer, and soon a bachelor's degree in compsci and life is generally great
You are so fucking lost, you have no idea what you are talking about. How the fuck can someone help the fact that people will be hurt if they kill themselves? Should people not do anything if it is going to hurt other people? Should they just live their whole life in a deep fucking pit just because other people gain some happinness from interacting with the mask that those with depression are forced to wear?
And no, I do not believe for a single second that he hurt 200 to 300 other people. Some people would be hurt of course, his family, close friends and such but 200 to 300 people? No. Fuck no. All of those people who maybe felt bad when they heard the news will go home and go on with their lives and will move on fairly quickly.
People are not obligated to live just because it is your will, and you are horrible, deranged, piece of shit if you think that is the case.
How the fuck can you consider someone who hated their life so much that they killed themselves selfish. Did you help him? Did anyone help him? Did anyone even know he was that damaged? I bet not. And I guess that goes to show how "close" those 200 to 300 people were since no one thought that he may pose a threat to himself.
Is every suicide a "rational" one? I dont think so. There are plenty of suicides that take place that really had no justification, but this is a kid we are talking about, so what is "rational" does not really apply.
Congrats though for calling your "friend" a selfish bastard because he was going through a tough time and didn't know how to cope with it. Maybe we should raise our kids to be emotionless? Or maybe, just maybe, people could pay more attention to their loved ones as they go through rough times instead of judging them for a decision that you know nothing about.
find whatever is making you depressed and get rid of it.
I've been feeling really down for the past year and it took me the longest time to figure out that it was my fucking girlfriend of all things. Broke up with her a couple weeks ago and I feel like a new man.
Make the change anons, find whatever bad apple is on your tree and cut it off.
>>612042553 Suicide is the second biggest killer of people aged 15-24 in the US. But I guess you're gonna say "Good, those people weren't strong enough to adapt" or some shit like that instead of questioning the the approach we have as a society to dealing with mental health.
The easiest way to understand suicide is literally to think to 9/11. People jumped out of the building because they saw no other way out of their situation, and took what they thought was their best option. Some depressed people shoot themselves in the face because they see no other way out of their situation, and in their mind they are taking their best option. The only difference is that the threat pushing them to their death is in their mind, not directly behind them.
I'm not saying that suicide on the whole is justifiable, I'm saying that in the mind of someone depressive enough to kill themselves, its easy to see how they justify it to themselves. Its a mental disorder.
depression can only be fixed by the person suffering, nothing else works. meds are temporary fixes, I've had a shitty life as does everyone else, my brother died at 16, I felt depressed for 2 years, he was just a kid, Xmas were the worst, only you can change how you feel, death is a fucking weak way out, waste of life
I was overweight, stuck in a dead-end graveyard shift at a gas station, and had no friends.
One day, I decided that I've had enough, so I snapped out of it. I got some financial aid, went back to school, and got an engineering degree. I made a lot of friends while there, worked out a ton at the university gym, and got a nice job after graduating.
I'm now married with two kids, own a 4300 sq. foot house, and have three cars.
All because I decided to snap out of depression. You can do it too!
I hate when people call people who kill themselves selfish. That itself is selfish. They are literally saying "I know you hate you life that you want it to end BUT, I like having you around sometimes so just deal with it in the meantime"
>>612042714 >Should people not do anything if it is going to hurt other people? Basically, yes.
>Should they just live their whole life in a deep fucking pit just because other people gain some happinness from interacting with the mask that those with depression are forced to wear? >Should they just live their whole life in a deep fucking pit [...]? No they shouldn't live in a pit. But for themselves, not for others.
>>612043617 Because a lot of the time depression inst linked to anything its just your brain, and fighting against your brain inst the easiest thing to do. Hence why people end their lives early cause they cant fight with themselves any longer.
to all people who think that depression is just a joke or something: i wish so much u had deep depression, this shit is ruining your life, if u think it is easy to remove depression let's try u fags, your life is not as much worth as life of a person with depression
Alright anon, you must be right. The only thing needed to overcome depression is to be happy. Like the only thing you need to do to stop being poor is to be rich. Yeah, that'll work, I just need to want it.
We're all fighting our own fight, I'm not here to tell you my life is worse than yours and his is worse than hers, I just like to put in perspective that there is so much to see in this world, you will never see it all, suicide is just stupid. I've seen it destroy families, such a cowardly selfish act, if you're depressed try get help, if not, distance yourself and find something that makes you happy, do that, then wallow in your own self pity.
You don't know the depression, the low, that drives suicidal people to finally end it. Also, choosing to end the life you've been thrown into on YOUR own terms is actually kind of noble. Suicide should always be avoided put it doesn't make you a pussy at all
>>612044532 You're cherry picking my words just to be a useless piece of shit. You have to fucking work like a dog to get happy. You don't just wake up one day and go "Oh hey, MAN that sun is pretty. That right there solved all my issues in life". Much like a homeless person can't just wake up one day with shit tons of cash. You have to go out of your way every single day to find it yourself. Do the shit you like, get a job, or take out a loan so you can go back to school and get a good job. You'll make friends in post secondary. You can find people to relate to. You can find things that are worth hanging around for. Takes time. Gotta work for it. I'm not trying to tell all you fucks that you can just get the fuck over your shit. But you CAN get it done.
>>612044612 dude, i have heard many people talking about depression, almost every time they were thinking that depression is some sort of joke or looking for attention, i do not think u r all here but i had to post this message, coz i am so sad about people nowadays, they do not care about others making they feel like something worthless and useless
>>612038428 How about religious nuts who fill people's heads with lies of greater purposes and rewards after they die? They seem pretty hatable to me. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't have waited until 25 for my first kiss and hated myself when I realized I was bisexual to the point of letting myself end up homeless. If it weren't for them, I'd have been slayin' pussy 'n' butthole and forming actual relationships rather than distant friendship/acquaintances and feeling guilty over nothing. I'm in the process of climbing out the hole they dug for me. Just because nothing matters doesn't mean people have to be asshole liars hurting others out fear of their own mortality. Now I see liberation in a lack of a point in life.
>>612038428 The so-called 'psychotically depressed' person who tries to kill herself doesn't do so out of quote 'hopelessness' or any abstract conviction that life's assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire's flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of the two terrors. It's not desiring the fall; it's terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling 'Don't' and 'Hang on!', can understand the jump. Not really. you'd have to have personally been trapped and felt the flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.
>>612045329 Yes, I do. I was there, anon. I would sleep all day because fuck life. Food? Fuck that. Friends? Fuck them too. Goes deeper than that, we both know. But I do understand how that shit feels. It's soul crushing. You can change it though.
during the worst days of my depression, I was drown in the voices in my head, voices that creates pictures in my head and I have no way of blocking it out. It could happen anytime and anywhere, many times I can't even tell if I'm asleep or awake, it's like the voices followed me into my dreams. And these voices, aren't creepy or horrifying, they are actually voices and pictures of some of the happiest moment in the past, moments that I know that I can never go back ever again.
I've made some drastic changes in my life to make the voices to go away, quitting a well paid job with great prospect and I'm now doing what I really wanted to do even though the pay is miniature compare to my last job. To be honest I was extremely selfish to have quit my job like that, and I endured much prejudice, shame and pressure from the people I knew and around me. Not many people can actually do this, because they were not living or doing the job for themselves, so they are forever stuck. :(
>>612045732 Yes you can. but im saying people with mental illness' that commit suicide.. well pretend its like you're being brainwashed. I don't know what else to say but yea i don't see how it makes you selfish tbh, but yea you're entitled to your own opinion
>>612045252 I didn't live in the modern world. America is a big place. My nutjob fundamentalist parents secluded us on a mountain, in the woods at the dead end of a dirt road without internet. Church 3 times a week (twice on Sunday, once during the week) was compulsory. Don't give me that hippie bullshit about how some motherfuckers don't belong in a gulag or education camp and just to let go of my self-hate.
>>612044971 And you think you are being useful to anyone with your lame ass advices? Everyone in the fucking planet is fed up with that gay motivational shit you are vomiting all over this thread. You didn't come up with that shit by yourself, it is the same speech every fucking self-help book cover. Have you ever considered that people who are claiming to be depressed to the point of no longer bear their own fucking existence tried to do all that shit you said you "just need to do to overcome it"? Have you ever tried to evaluate as well that this kind of life you are telling people they should "get"(get a job, get friends, have sex) is simply not enough to them? Or maybe that they are fucking chained to some miserable aspect of their lives, like having a sick family member? You DENIFITELY have it easy your whole life, you fucking piece of shit. Stop thinking highly about yourself and your supposed god-like will power and fucking STOP taking lightly over other peoples issues.
And LOW! Observe the scene kid army here to state just how.. oh unbearably awful their lives are. My dad beat the shit out of me and my mom when i was a little kid, then my step dad would get coked out and beat the shit out of me. I was born with cataracks and endured 6 awful eye surgeries.And as an elementary school student, i was constantly bullied for being small.. being white.. and always having to wear an eye patch due to the surgeries. Yes i was bullied for being white, this isnt the type of area you want to be white in. As i got older, i would get robbed twice, and ganged up on once for like literally no reason So id start taking Martial arts and what not.Got pretty good if i do say so myself
And thanks to the surgeries yet again my left eye is now deformed and im going blind in either just my left or both ..
And other stuff like begin molested once b ya homeless man that lived in the parking lot next to my grandmas house who lived a house down from us. And what i saw happened ot my friend... man dude XD
Ive been diagnosed with chronic depression And i only tried to kill myself when i was a pathetic scene kid freshman.
My friends uncle was in the war and had to carry one half of his best friend under one arm, and the other half under his other... hes a little wigged out now as one could imagine ut he hasn't killed himself.
So after my struggles
And after my friends uncles EXTREME struggles, what the hell is your guys excuse for putting your scene kid bullshti out their like oh boo fucken hoo putty me i wana die. Whats your excuse
>>612046138 I have watched my family waste away to cancer. I have had people close to me kill themselves I have lived on an average of $7k-$12k a year. I have been on welfare for months on end. I have been abused physically and verbally more times than I can tell you. I almost failed highschool. Every relationship I've had failed. I lost my best friend. 4 people are dead and it's my fault. I've lived with debt for 6 years I had to do some pretty uncomfortable things to get by.
Fuck you, and your limited perspective of life. That motivational shit sounds like garbage up till the point it starts working for you. Why the fuck do you think I'm wasting my fucking day sitting here and telling you social rejects that there's a fucking light at the end of the god damn tunnel? I was there, faggot. I fucking got past that shit. So don't you sit there and tell me that I don't fucking understand the perspectives that I'm talking about. Easy? HAH. Life is not an easy motherfucker to get around, but you can do it. Take your bitching elsewhere.
>>612039704 Proof. You must support your claim with an argument. You must also define what is meant by the term "meaning of life". I think if you asked people what gives their lives meaning they would give you answers. Are they wrong? If a teacher finds meaning in getting kids excited about the subject he teaches and feels it gives his life meaning and purpose is he wrong to say that his life is meaningful? I think intentionality has a lot to do with it.
>>612042588 Actually you're wrong, Robin killed himself due to undiagnosed dementia, the depression fuelled the idea but that's what pushed him over the edge. He had apparently attempted suicide before the hanging and chose not to do so, indicating that when in a clear mind he didn't actually want to do it. It was later discovered he was taking medication that related to dementia, but not the proper dosage (or something along those lines) so it didn't have the proper effect.
I guess it's kind of funny when you look at it from a step back How one man can literally buckle under the same pressures Other men operate normally under I have scoped this out from all angles, walking through time I have been over everything in my head, 'till I can't think anymore But I guess some times, when you can't breathe, there are people there To breathe for you I am lucky enough to have those people around me Thank you for helping me to not die Thank you for helping me to not die
That's why I laugh at whoever's arrogant enough to accuse the suicidal of being "weak."
I don't want you guys to think I'm just spouting nonsense at you with no basis. The motivational hurrah is repetitive and stereotypical but can be extremely supportive once you see it working. Looks like a bunch of lies from the outside, I know, but holy shit. You'd be surprised as fuck at how that can change.
>>612043683 >suicide is only caused by clinical depression >you can answer "what is a good life?" >undiagnosed people never have clinical depression >Most depressed people do not have a mental illness at all.
>>612043693 unless you have some more noble sentiment in mind, throwing your life away is inherently selfish. it is something you do to escape your own discomfort. You are incorrectly equating selfishness to wrongness or immorality. The suicide which this thread is based on is the selfish kind.
I was depressed for many years, didn't really know initially until a doctor told me my symptoms aligned with it. During that time I never contemplated suicide, I always thought it was the cowardly way out of a problem that was temporary. The idea that my family had to deal with the fact that I was dead, and more so for one of them to come across my body was a disgusting thought, which I assumed anyone with a clear mind would think too.
What reinforced this idea was some years later my grandmother was diagnosed with bowel cancer. For 4 years she had chemotherapy and in the last year she was basically fighting to live for as long as possible as it was pretty much confirmed she'd die. Over the course of that year there had been many reports of suicide, and some families had members who were close to ours doing the same.
Each time she heard of those suicides she was immensely frustrated with the idea that she was fighting to survive, yet there were those with problems that paled to hers and many others, that were throwing their lives away. She used to tell my mother, "If I could just sit them down and talk to them and let them know how much worse things could be, maybe they wouldn't do something so horrible." When diagnosed with cancer she had developed severe depression, but what I found admirable was that not once did she contemplate suicide, in fact she was repulsed by the very idea of it. Recently another member of my family was diagnosed with cancer in her womb, it had spread to her ovaries and that general area. She had to have basically all that removed. She had told my grandfather that it was my grandmother's determination to continue living that kept her through all that shit, because she didn't want to disrespect her memory by giving up when she would've killed to be in a position to come back from it.
After all that I don't think there's anyway I could ever excuse suicide over something like depression.
>making excuses for being depressed Once I stopped I became kind of a dick to people since no one gave a shit about what I was going through. No idea why I'm bitter, but hey, thinking about it is just another excuse.
>>612049807 SEE XDXDXD look at you you little bitch you couldnt even give a proper answer to that man, you would DIE in my hood, and i dont mean the scene kid movie suicide you seem to be in love with i mean actual.. painful, death by some doped up meth head looking for cash, i mean ACTUAL death not your dumb idea of death, shut up and get out of this thread.
Of course people have it worse than I have. That doesn't make them less capable of bouncing back. I'm not ignorant to the fact that other people may not have the same drive that I found. I'm not ignorant to the fact that I lucked out in the end. Again though, that doesn't make it any less likely that other people can't do the same thing.
>>612041234 Not necessarily, objectively speaking I have led a moderately successful life. I make 70k annually I have a wife and 2 kids with a 3rd on the way. (wife makes about 60k). I love my children and wife very dearly but for as long as I can remember I've had this nagging feeling of unfulfillment. I have used this frustration in the past to almost obsessively submerge myself in hobbies and work that take up much of my time and concentration. Some would say I'm a hard worker and a perfectionist but really it's mostly to escape the thoughts that just about everything I do is not enough and doesn't live up to the amount of pleasure I feel like I should have. It's almost as if everything I experience is underwhelming. Wife understands what I feel and she sometimes freaks out that I might up and 1 day leave and off myself. I can't imagine doing this but I could see how someone else with maybe just a few more hardships or a more severe form of depression could. I've taken medication in the past and allowed it to run its course but nothing seems to really have worked or it brought about side effects that weren't worth the benefits. I've been considering trying Electro Convulsive Therapy which is supposed to be pretty effective but I'm afraid of the memory loss and the chance that it might not really do anything for me.
Tl:dr sometimes even after an objectively successful life it's still not enough.
>>612051310 Success isn't everything. My point is that you need to be able to see the success in yourself before you can get a move on with your life and actually FEEL worth the while. Everybody is different, and comfortable with varying levels of what we deem success. One ans trash is another mans trophy, or so it goes.
Depression is a mindset. I'm not talking about all types of depression, but the one where you think "fuck everything" and never do anything can easily be changed. I was there once, I'm still hopping out of it after a year of trying to get out of it, and life is better than ever....
If you truly do believe "fuck everything" then do what I did and don't give two fucks about what people think about you and do crazy shit... Put yourself out there more, it's easily changeable.i would put stuff I have done, but I rather not....hahaha
>>612052058 I'm not important to you, and you are not important to me. Your family will feel differently about that. I can't give your life meaning anon. My words can't do that for you. You are the only one that can do that, and that's part of my whole point here. You have to find it in you to change how you feel about your life. You can do that, if you so choose. I'm breathing proof.
>>612052605 I wouldn't pat myself on my back to save my life, let alone yours. Being cynical isn't going to get you far anon. I'm just sitting here to let you rejects know that you can get off your ass and make your life better if you choose to. But you gotta work for that shit.
>>612051686 I would never. The thought had crossed my mind many times when I was single even a few times after I was married but since having my first child I can't fathom suicide. But like I said it's not impossible for me to imagine someone else, someone with slightly more on their plate or severe form of depression ending it.
>>612052628 It fuelled it like I said, but it wasn't what killed him as previous suicide attempts had shown when he chose to stop. The dementia is what pushed him over the edge. Also he had depression long before any of that as, I think it was his first girlfriend as a celebrity, had said many times, especially after stand up shows, he had shown clear signs of depression, most noticeably when he abused alcohol and drugs. So again, the alimony isn't what killed him
>>612052974 Yes, this is what is called "attention whoring."
People who frequently threaten suicide are attention whores. They don't really want help, they just want your attention. They don't even care if it's negative attention. This principle is at work in almost every aspect of this board. It's the same reason people become gay, or become furries, or fuck babies, or any of those things. They want attention. Nobody enjoys pretending to be a wolf. Nobody likes letting a man fuck them in the ass. Nobody thinks children are sexually attractive. These people just want attention. They've been denied attention for so long, that they've developed these very effective ways of forcing you to pay attention to them. All you have to do is stop responding. Stop acknowledging it.
Back to the original point, if someone is telling you that they want to commit suicide, just let them. Tell them you accept them and that you're fine if they go and kill themselves. Watch the plan crumble as they backpedal and call you an asshole etc. etc. All these faggots want is attention. If they really wanted to die, they'd go die. Saying you want to kill yourself is an instant way to get attention from most people. It's obnoxious.
Anyway, very unlikely that anyone will read this so tl;dr kill yourself if you want to. it doesn't matter to us, and it clearly doesn't matter to you if you actually hurt anyone other than yourself. go be a selfish faggot.
>>612053365 You should care. There are people that will help you if you stop being a massive faggot about helping yourself. You might not want "shitty" advice, but guess the fuck what? This is the shit you need to listen to in order to change your life into something you actually like. You think it's convenient for me to sit here and debate your life problems and everyone else issues amongst my own here? That would imply that it's easy to get through to you asshats. Have you read the thread?
That's because that's an easy choice, you're already alive No one can fathom nonexistence; just the thought of not "being" scares the shit out of most people. Ideologies surviving centuries have been based on that fear, it's that powerful. But it's no absolute law. Some people just don't see it as negative, and really it's a much more negative thing for the survivors being that the individual's state is no longer quantifiable.
But we also live in a society where it's seen as weak to dwell on negativity, so how much do you really value another's life; would you just go on living if they died - most likely - that's what "most" people would do. That's what life is to "most" people.
>>612055326 While chemical imbalances are mostly a constant, causes for depression are very subjective. Saying "You should do this, it worked for me," may be an attempt to help, it's also tantamount to saying "You should try the strawberry flavor. It's the best."
Also, just wanted to ask the thread one time before it dies, what exactly is it that bothers you about those that kill themselves. You obviously don't value them if they think that way, so you're not losing anything at all. So, why so angry?
>>612058260 I don't value them, this is true. It's the fact that they are willing to be so selfish and cut off in their own mind that they are willing to put so many people into misery for the sake of their own issues that are in most cases completely solvable and trivial.
>My gf broke up with me. Better get a rope. >My dad died, I'm going to shoot myself >I'm in a lot of debt, can't collect blood from a stone.
It's these sorts of things that are seen as really selfish. To end your life and to end a part of other people lives in a fit of confusion and turmoil that could have been avoided. You don't just kill yourself when you pull that trigger.
>>612038428 I can. It's people who like to think they're some superior cunts because they think that ending your shit life to end and endless nightmare of self loathing and mental pain is "wrong". Go get your family raped and murdered. You smug cunt faggot.
>>612058694 You're thinking it totally fucked. That's not the sole reason I'm talking about here. Yes, you would hurt poeple and that's just screwed up. But it's the killing yourself and giving up on life because you think it's just too damn hard.
>>612049177 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's what I've dealt with, and I'm still here. Fuck, I'm going to work right now. Point is, you can fucking well change your life if you stop being such a self centered whining faggot. The world has a lot more in it than just you, and when you finally fucking learn to see that, you'll actually enjoy life.
Fuck you guys, I've put enough effort into your lives for one day. It's your turn to do something about your situation and take control.
>>612058694 Wouldn't your efforts be better spent speaking with the survivors and trying to get them to devalue the jerk who abandoned them? I mean if your motivation to act is fueled by anger then I don't think you'll do much good at encouraging anyone.
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