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I think the holocaust is over exaggerated and the nazi's take the forefront of being asses because it sells Imo. I think at first they had good things going but later on got worse and people like him mer totally fucking it up.
>>613201206 >alleged collaboration >alleged Even if they sold to each other it doesn't mean they supplied the whole country you fucking 12 year old. What is school on break? Dumb ass muricans everywhere.
The Khans and the Huns they led were way more bloodthirsty and savage than anything the 20th century could muster. Tech was the only thing that made killing quickly an easy thing, but back in the day they managed to off 11% of the worlds population using sharpened bits of metal and arrows. Anyone can gas a room full of Jews or machine gun down a crowd, but stabbing more than a tenth of all humans to death is way more impressive.
>>613201575 >>613201582 >>613201680 Doesn't matter if it's "alleged" or not. There are countless cases you can find where US corporations sell shit to both sides. You can find it yourself. Why would they care? They just want big profit.
Americans bankrolled post WWI Germany. It's the reason they were able to go from complete financial and military bankruptcy to supremacy. It's the reason Hitler thought, wrote, and spoke about his surprise when the US joined the Allies.
Were the Nazi's that bad? Yes. They wanted German supremacy, not white supremacy. So yes, they were that bad. Brits? They hated you cynical, pedantic faggots. Italians? The contempt the Germans had for those greasy and lazy fucks is a matter of historical certitude. The French? Is that a joke? I don't mention any other countries because they aren't worth talking about.
The US was the ideal for the Germans. Niggers=second class citizens. Jews=subservient financial minions. Faggots=lololol. Other Euros=so disgusted with where they came from, they changed their last names and disavowed their heritage to assimilate.
Even my parents are brainwashed into thinking the Jews are innocent and not the perpetrator of their own demise. There is a lot of untold stories to WW2, the winners write the lies whilst the losing party have to be unfairly trialled.
>>613202525 Compare the war crimes separately of Britain USA Israel Compared to Nazi Germany back then, those allied nations are more hypocritical than anything else who have committed many more war crimes. The Holocaust lie has to be the most sickest thing the Jews have ever done though.
hitler reminds me of bobby fischer. the jews were no scapegoat, hitler genuinely believed they were everywhere. definitely paranoia from all that meth he was injecting everyday. Even with defeat being imminent, the nazis diverted a huge amount of resources towards the final solution.
>>613202175 >Mfw Germany wanted British Empire with them. >Mfw national socialism calls for the preservation of each race to uphold and preserve each of its strengths and values. Not mix them. >Mfw as the war progressed attitude towards the eastern European people's changed as they saw how they could fight and how much they hated stalin. >Mfw I'm not even a nazi fag and knew this.
>>613203430 >>Mfw Germany wanted British Empire with them. That's why they bombed British cities all day and night heh? Fucking idiot. >>Mfw as the war progressed attitude towards the eastern European people's changed as they saw how they could fight and how much they hated stalin. >yfw about 30 million people in eastern-europe died because of nazi-violence
>>613197119 The "bad" things the nazis did were: -genocide -attempted empire building through war
The US did pretty much the same shit, and had slavery. But we got away with it because it was far enough in the past that no one gave a shit. And we were the victors, so we get to write the history.
The biggest reason the nazis were "bad" was because they came too late to the game. WWI gave the general public a sense of horror over modern warfare, and the genocide that goes along with it. Starting another world war so close on the heels of it was no way to win friends. Losing that war was a surefire way to end up despised.
Had the Germans tried empire building back when everybody else was doing it no one would have batted an eyelash. But their timing was terrible. That's why they were "bad".
>>613203992 Nope saying some are though, shooting partisans is not uncommon in war and strongly support it. Also hypocritical as fuck to try for this when every side fucking bombed, raped, tortured and shot people including civilians.
>>613204631 >we're living in a bad world No you're not living in a bad world you fucking idiot. If you were born in Nazi-Germany you would be indoctrinated to ridiculous propaganda, you would be the product of inhuman eugenics. You wouldn't be allowed to say your own opinion. You would be shot for listening to the BBC. You couldn't love who you want. At the age of 17 you would be sent to the eastern-front with a 90% chance of death.
>>613204631 the whole concept of a good v evil narrative of the world is incredibly naive, yet this is literally how all media tries to portray the world to us. West good, east evil. American intervention good. Soviet intervention evil. Americans backing mujahedin good. Russia backing syria evil. Warmongering churchill good, warmongering hitler evil. Freedom fighting partisans overthrowing british tyranny good, Isis lashing out at american occupation evil.
It is simple semantics and linguistic psychologicl propaganda and people are falling for it hook line and sinker. People think that there are 'good' guys out there because hollywood has drilled it into our brains since we were old enough to be glued in front of a tv screen and so we all know that these 'good' guys must fight the 'bad' guys. "Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". What? Are you fucking 8 years old? The whole thing is fucking retarded, people have the potential to do good and do bad, but we are not fucking characters in an elizabethian play. Humans are multi-faceted and when it comes to politics, one's man hero is another man's terrorist. Look at fucking Nelson Mandela, the most successful and beloved terrorist the world has ever seen. Or George Washington, an inept terrorist warlord who seized power through armed insurrection. It is all about perspective and context.
But still, saying that, the nazis were pretty evil as a whole. They industrialized human genocide. It's a pretty fucked up thing to do.
>>613206430 you do know that this sort of reasoning will not work with a holocaust denier? The will blame jewish propaganda, typhus and... what else is it that you guys blame? Mass delirium and swamp gas? I can't remember. Still, they will always take the word of another holocasut denier or evidence they find online to back up their views over the word of a historian, survivor, eye witnesses or primary archeological evidence.
On a side note, it must be amazing to be truly ignorant and just believe what you want to believe rather than things like truth, evidence or common sense
>>613197119 well yeah . bad for themselves and for white people later on. fucked up a chance to have a great all white empire. Wasted a great military. Gave the Jews and all the mutts they hold dear the right to shame white people . Gave white people themselves another layer of white guilt.
>>613206057 >They industrialized human genocide I was with you up to that point. Even if it's true, there is no physical evidence to support the gas chambers. Only eye witness testimony. POW's on all sides are tortured to say whatever their capture wants, and I don't understand how a jew could have seen the inside of a gas chamber and lived to tell the story.
>>613206430 You mean the camps to segregate the jews, polish and other races stealing germans jobs? There was never any mass graves found of executed, ur talking bollox. Never was any evidence of Ariel photos of huge fires burning bodies. As for ovens, what are you fucking dumb? £ million supposedly cremated in ovens capable of holding one body at a time and only 6 ovens. Do the math you fucking idiot. At the time there was mass deaths of tuberculosis amongst the Jews, the ovens were used to destroy the bodies to prevent the spread of decease. You have to be one of the dumbest fucking idiots in this thread and a fucking jew. As for the thousands of witnesses, what about the hundreds of thousands who denied the holocaust, the ones who claim to have been treated fair? How about the myth of skin used for bags or human fat for soap? How about the assholes who got found out after the war never to have even been in any concentration camps? Now go kill yaself kid, you haven't a fucking. clue!
>>613206057 >They industrialized human genocide. It's a pretty fucked up thing to do. True, but the US wasn't much better with the native Americans. We slaughtered them wholesale, sold them blankets with polio, shot all the buffalo from trains to starve them... And we did all of this just after we decided owning slaves was "wrong".
The biggest things that make the Nazis evil is that they did this shit in the 20th Century, and they lost. That's it.
>>613207805 Ole Otto himself confessed to killing a couple of million of them, we can't seem to find the bodies because you know it's pretty easy to hide a couple million bodies see you just put a match to them and light them on fire, and they just disappear.
>>613207251 Most of the jews starved to death, have you seen the pictures? They were emaciated because the allies bombed all the supply networks along with civilian targets. You should really try doing some actual research on the subject.
Every country in WWII had concentration camps, none of them even close to as brutal as the Soviet Gulag camps.
As mentioned before, I am not going to be able to able to convince you that there was a genocide being carried out. We will have to agree to disagree. However, you can answer me this one thing:
Why would the holocaust be mentioned at all then? Who stands to profit? Why are we propogating this alleged lie even to this day? Seriously, who is benefiting from this?
>"hurr durr the jews of course"
really? jews control every government and educational institute in the world? Really? You do know that it is not just in america and israel that the holocaust it tought. It is worldwide. Do you really believe that the jews have so much control over the world's governments and they use it to propgate some sort of myth about some death camps?
Or do you believe that there are some other people who stand to gain from this?
>>613209038 Uh typhoid fever was the main cause of death as is expected in poorly kept concentration camps. Typhus is spread by lice, making zyklon B or similar delousing agents a necessity to keep the camp slaves healthy enough for work. When the allies encountered the camps, they heard tales of executions by gas (which did occur), but many assumed the gas used was the masses of opened cans of zyklon B, a gas that is not going to kill humans quickly enough to be effective, although it was most likely used on a large scale in Auschwitz regardless out of necessity. Of course the last part is disputed and the infected climate in this debate makes it impossible to discern what is true and what isn't but I'd say it is at least highly plausible the gas was used there.
>Picture is a Boer girl kept in a British concentration camp who later died from typhoid fever.
>>613203010 You can tell when something is propaganda when it starts out with testimonials before it even presents anything else. Had it been "impartial" it would not feel the need to preface itself with glowing testimonials.
>>613209744 You're putting words in my mouth. I do not deny that there was a "holocaust", I simply argue that it was greatly exaggerated and focuses on the misfortune of only one group of people, when it was multiple groups that actually suffered.
Are you blind as to why this was exaggerated? It was the staple reasoning for the justification of Israel. It is used to justify the mistreatment in palestine as well. Try opening your eyes, the truth is pretty obvious.
>>613197119 >brought Germany out of the worst economic depression since the collapse of the western Roman empire >ended an unjust punitive treaty >re-integrated populations that identified as German into Germany >built the most efficient road system since the Roman empire >contributed more to the advancement of science in two decades than the rest of the world did in the previous three >developed the first large scale rockets paving the way for space travel
>>613210299 Well the logistics issue sure raises a lot of questions. Especially since more recent investigations suggest the only major gas extermination ops were in Auschwitz.
The initial estimates of around 4 million dead spread throughout the camps, mostly as a result of deliberate starvation, neglect, over-work, and typhoid fever, seems more plausible than the later claimed 6 million mostly killed by insecticide in flimsy gas chambers. However, it is so taboo today to even talk about this that no serious historian that wishes to keep his job will bring this up. In many countries, it is even illegal.
>>613209376 Genocide is never pretty. And it has nothing to do with the strong surviving. It's usually just bad luck. A group happens to be living in a place where a better armed group doesn't want them to be, and eliminating them is expedient. Shit is happening right now in Africa and the Middle East. Shit's been going on for all of human history.
I think the horror of the Nazis was that it was the first time is was documented on film and in newspapers, and the fact that it happened on Western European soil. (WWI was supposed to be the war to end all wars).
>>613208498 I am not jewish, but nice rebuttal regardless.
My standpoint comes from the research I did during whilst earning my history degree. I am sure that the sources you base your opinion on is also rooted in academia. In any case, as stated, it is impossible for me to convice you that I am right or vice versa. And so, as mentioned, no matter how much evidence you are presented with, you will still stick with your opinion. And good for you.
>>613208721 Although most gaschambers and camps were destroyed by panicking nazis as the soviets were advancing, there were still intact gas chambers at Dachau, Sachsenhausen, and Majdanek. I don't know where you get this notion that there were no massgraves (pic related). The Swampgas reference is a joke from Transmetropolitan.
I coudl go on but as I said, I am not here to convince you that your opinion is wrong. I only came here to debate the ridiculous notion of good v evil in our contemporary world
>>613209744 The Zionist profited from it, Hitler wanted Jews out, Jew wanted a homeland of there own. They agreed to let them take Palestine where for the last 65 yrs they have built the country Isreal and committed mass genocide of Palestinians. Pic related, Israel over last 65 yrs of mass murder, stealing land and making themselves a nation.
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>>613203430 >>implying Hitler and others in the leadership didn't outright say they wanted Britain off the map >>implying National Socialism wasn't a call to preserve conservative German values >>implying their attitudes changed
You're retarded. Inaccurate on all accounts. Sorry fucko.
>>Implying you have to be a nazi fag to be your level of retard
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