any advice on how to gtfo America and go live in Sweden? Europe seems to have it so much better than we do; more than likely because they're older and have had the time to get shit figured out. Either way, I'm tired of the unemployment rate, school costing a fortune, and the amount shit that is going on here is atrocious. I mean, I only have the information that I can access in the US, but Sweden, for me, seems like the place to be.
you don't know what you are doing. honestly it was better when i lived in poland than sweden.
this isn't 1980, sweden is absolute shit today. if you want to go to scandinavia, pick norway. they are like sweden should be.
I have some advice for ya..
>Travel to Sweden
>Say you are from Syria
You'll never have to work in your lifetime and the state will give you an appartment worth 40k sek ~4,5k$ worth a month.
No troll, but is this actually how your benefits system works? Is it for aylum seekers, an if so what do the refugees have to do to earn this money and for how long do they get this cash?
It's like new york.
What baffles me, is it's easier and cheaper to visit other countries than it is to visit states in your own country (US) it just all seems so fucked here. And all the god damn anti vax hippies are killing us.
Im half swede and i rlly love the country. But if u will move there keep away from the big city's. Cause there are only immigrants there and they will only poss you off (immigrants : niggers). Move to northern sweden or Finland were the true vikings still live ;)
do you speak swedish? no? then how will you work? a lot of people speak english sure, but speaking Swedish i believe would be a requirement. correct me if I'm wrong, i would love to move from the states to Norway but without speaking Norwegian i assume it's a pipe-dream.
Be a good goy and suck some black dicks and you will fit in.
Beats the hell out of paying for a for-profit education that doesn't give you shit but a crap degree no one wants to recognize (i'm looking at you ITT tech)
So is the US
Sweden supposedly has the best english speakers of any foreign country. And it'd be easier to learn the language around people who speak it as opposed to trying to learn from a half assed book or teacher that hasn't even been to the country. you get to learn slang and all that as well.
Not really but there are examples of serious oversight.
The point of the benefits system is that poverty leads to crime, which it does, so no poverty means no crime. The country is so politically and financially stable that they can afford to help out some people that get there.
>so is the US
lol no. I live in sweden and food, clothes, electronics are generally 20% less expensive in the US. norway is much more expensive than sweden. but on the other hand the wages are also high.
is it true in Norway that if you say get hurt they will actually go out of their way to help you get work to avoid homelessness and unemployment.
SLC Utah does something like that but only if you're homeless and willing to be LDS.
The resources are available to learn the language.
You can spend a couple of hours every day for a year or maybe even less to pick up enough to go there and begin to learn by proxy. It isn't that difficult.
I did exactly that to learn Arabic to live in Abu Dhabi. There are a lot of expatriates there but I mostly was going to work in government organisations so I needed a high skill in Arabic. I went from 0 to extremely competent speaker within a year of studying a few hours a day with a book and maybe a tape and became fluent within 4 months of living there. Accent, cultural sensibilities and all.
That's what I heard about Denmark, because the US is fighting to get min wage raised to $15 and they said that Denmark is making 19 Euro an hour which is about $21 an hour, but the cost of living is higher.
Really to be honest, I don't want to just pick a country to live in. I'd rather just travel. Move every year or so until I die. I can't stand being in one spot, and I hate that people who own nothing say that you can't go to a part of the world because "I was there first"
Nope, don't have to prove jack shit. Throw away your passport at the border and claim to be Syrian.
If you claim to be a child and alone there is even greater chance to get a greencard. 25-30yr arabs pass as 15yr here. Pic related.
After 2 years in Sweden 5% of the immigrants have work. Rest is on welfare. And this is acceptable.
They will get the cash as long as they are in Sweden..
But yet the minimum wage earners are doing fantastic in that country. Sure the general costs of things rises but the wage increase will always give a larger purchasing power to the person on minimum wage.
We all need to survive, but we all like to have nice things too. Everyone should be able to have some degree of nice things.
Sweden is a good country with one of the worlds strongest and most stable economies, but Norway has had a ridiculous rise in wealth in the later years.
Norway is basically a slightly better version of Sweden in many aspects. Stockholm > Oslo though.
high wage and high prices goes hand in hand. but the taxes are also higher so you wont get as much in the end, given that you dont have health insurance, dont pay tolls on bridges/highways etc.
It completely depends on what line of work you have. I work in IT and one of the trainers for the new guys is English. Our internal training is always in english and we document everything in english.
Should defo not be an issue. When applying for a job, they sometimes do a background check, however that is with Swedish authorities. I doubt they'd care.
non registered means no one will know right?
also I don't know how they deal with individual cases. maybe it just says sexual crime and it doesn't matter what it was for. legal age in sweden is 15 but dont know if they'd take that into account.
According to legit sources, 25% of immigrant males actually have a job after 2 years. After 10 years in the country, the ammount of occupied immigrants is almost as high as the ammount of occupied natives.
Don't do it. One school even forbid the use of the swedish flag because it could be racist. Sweden is doomed.
Even the UN predicted that in 2030 sweden will be behind libya in human development index.
Nope. Just get applying. Fire out all the applications. Try Canada, USA, UK, Germany, Australia, New Zealand...
Why not fire off applications? The worst they can say is no. And you can do interviews in any of their Embassies in your country.
So long as you dress smart, talk nicely and diplomatically and basically not act like a retard, it would be hard for you not to get a job if you apply for a lot of administrative positions.
Then you just do a year or two with a solid record and begin applying to international posts. They'll put you in an international position where you'll travel every 3 or 4 years to a different posting and likely meet your future wife, and raise your kids in many different parts of the world.
It's what my parents did.
Fly there and tell customs you are seeking asylum because of persecution. They will give you free housing, food, and lots of money. You don't even have to get a job, they'll keep paying you courtesy of other Swedes who want to help you and take care of you.
You do realise that these sorts of things are just ridiculous tabloids that stormfags eat up without knowing what the fuck they're talking about?
And the HDI of Sweden is so much higher and always skyrocketing higher than any other developed nation that I literally don't know what you're talking about you dumb nigger lover.
Swedish flags are all over schools in Sweden.
Fucking read a book nigger.
Niggers aren't the problem in the US (well kind of) What it is is that there are no jobs, and it's impossible to afford anything so we glorify "the hustle" and making it illegally. We get bred on that mentality and that's why we have niggers today.
That's wierd, as the head of migrationsverket said 5% last week..
But I know you are left and prob a communist, and you always have you'r own facts to back you up.
Very professional site you linked anyways.
Are you fucking insane? You're using Sweden as an example? The nation that is so far up its own ass when it comes to left-wing extremism, that even left-wing parties in the rest of Scandinavia consider them a joke?
Move to any other fucking country. Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, the Netherlands... hell, even the UK. Sweden is fucked, and I doubt it's possible for them to recover.
surely the only country that fits that description is Liberia?
>Move to any other fucking country. Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, the Netherlands... hell, even the UK. Sweden is fucked, and I doubt it's possible for them to recover.
Even subconsciously you know its a good idea.
Swede here, I can confirm.
Sweden is a supposed safe haven for Somalis, Syrians, and Iraqis.
When it come to Europe, the further you are from the EU, USSR, and ISIS, the better you are.
So, go to Iceland, Switzerland, Norway, or Liechtenstein instead.
They're the only countries in Europe that have their shit figured out (and notice how none of them are in the EU).
That's likely because eastern European immigrants make up a rather large portion of the immigrants, and they come for the sole purpose of working.
Unfortunately, Sweden refuses to show the employment rate of non-western immigrants.
That shit happens, it's fine and people don't care. It's just getting worse. I live in Finland, I get to hear a ton of stuff from our neighbor. Also the UN stuff.. this:>>614009436
screenshot is straight from the UN document.
A little piece of advice about day to day life there OP. Scandinavians are extremely social. Be sure to introduce yourself to people when you're standing in lines/ bus stop etc. They love meeting new people and sharing funny personal stories. Don't be afraid to make physical contact too. You'll make many life-long friends in no time.
This, in Sweden as of now, you can join ISIS go to Syria fight and get wounded, get back to Sweden and get free healthcare and then GO BACK to Syria and keep cutting of heads.
This is funded by the tax i pay and i can't do jack shit about it.
And our beliefs are constantly "under attack" by some foreign country so we are scared of everyone else. I'm over it. This is a bigger terrorist country than all of the middle east.
The projection was confirmed faulty though, the update method has been improved now and as far as I'm aware of, it's nowhere to be found on the UN website no more.
It's also debunked by the fact that it was made in 2010 and did not do well projecting the 2011-2014 development of Swedish HDI.
It said Sweden will be on place 25th in 2015 which isn't going to happen, lol.
Fucking left wing liar...
When i was a child we had 4% unemployed.
Today it may be 15% yes, as the country is going to hell.
But 85% of the immigrants DOES NOT have jobs.
This is a lie and you know it, It's just your communist brainwashing that makes you claim this.
So it was a 100% coincidence? There is no truth to that? The UN wouldn't just lower the score of one of the top countries by that much by ''accident''.
How about the falling school scores? Burning hundreds of cars in immigrant slums? That doesn't happen anywhere in finland because we aren't doomed yet.
Finland has more than twice the murder rate of Sweden, lower purchasing power per capita, lower HDI (ranks 24 as of 2014 while Sweden ranks 12) and lower brutto GDP per capita than Sweden, lol.
Canadian exchange student currently living in Norway, here. I thought I'd just share my take on a few places in Western Europe, what they're like, and whatnot, because some people appear to be quite interested.
>Norway - Pros: Staggeringly beautiful, top notch living standards all across the board, quality education is essentially free, very relaxed and calm atmosphere even in the major cities, very business-friendly Center-Right government. Cons: Insanely expensive rent and housing, insanely expensive food, insanely expensive EVERYTHING. The language isn't exactly the most useful if you plan to move about, either, once you've learned it. WARNING: stay south of Trondheim.
>Sweden - Pros: cities are bigger and offer more and better opportunities (depending on what your field is) than Norway does, living standards are just as good as well, food and housing is A LOT cheaper than in Norway, both income AND corporate tax rates are lower. Cons: Salaries aren't as high, the cities are
more crowded and generally less clean, there's more competition for the jobs out on the market, Socialist government. WARNING: rural areas are a no-go. Stay within the commuter belts, at all costs.
Here I've listed a few often overlooked places that are perhaps just as good as Scandinavia if you're an American looking for work:
>Southeast UK/Greater London
>The Netherlands (the greater Amsterdam region in particular)
>The bigger cities in southern Germany, Austria and Switzerland: Munich, Frankfurt, Zürich, Vienna, Stuttgart
Oh I didn't say 85% of immigrant's had jobs. What I meant is that 85% of the male population alltogether have jobs.
Oh look at this. Turns out foreign born males and native borns at an average works pretty much equally many hours a week.
Not him, but the whole "SWEDEN IS GOING DOOOWN! THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!!!"-deal is greatly exaggerated. I mean, sure, there in a somewhat scary position right now, but it isn't all that bad. Only time will tell how well they'll be able to deal with it.
How does one actually go about GETTING to these countries to start though?
I mean in America we just illegally cross borders; But everywhere else is separated by a HUGE ocean. Can I just buy a plane ticket and be like well i want to live here now.
Do you have any skills or educational background that would be useful to them? If not, expect very much hostility, and possible arrest and indefinite detention if you attempt it. Also if you die in police custody over there, tough shit. They aren't liable in any way.
Look at this then, faggot:
As you can see, Finnish GNI per capita has stagnated while Swedens has continued to grow, and still on the rise.
Stop reading shitty populist nationalist magazines who picture this doomsday scenaria all the time and start looking at how decently our economy actually is working.
All countries still bathe in the aftermath of the crisis, but Sweden managed pretty fine, atleast compared to Finland for sure.
Yeah, just letting things roll is the best way to deal with the situation. It's already a big problem in many areas. Why let it spread and continue this mentally challenged shit they are doing?
You have it all wrong my friend it's not about "SWEDEN IS GOING DOOOWN! THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!!!"
It's about how the feminist left-wing government is destroying the country, TROWING away tax money at nothing. As i said in a previous post my tax money pays for 1 room appartments for ~4,5k$ to immigrants, as we are accpepting more then we have roofs for.
Im not afraid of arabs, hell i buy my weed from them..
Went to study in USA. Had to fill in forms and shit with stupid questions like "Are you currently a member of Al Queada", then I went to the US embassy in Stockholm to fix some more shit before I got my visum.
Funny how all the other embassies in the area looked like neat little palaces while the US embassy looked like a military concrete bunker/fort with barbed wire, high fences and shit.
I live in Lapland Finland. 1km to Sweden where I sometimes go buy stuff. The north is still pretty pure. Havent seen any niggers/arabs for like 3monts, and Im counting the tourists also.
A lot more mudslimes across the border. I'd move to northern Norway if I had to. But I dont.
Personally, I always get called a left wing communist when debating the "SWEEDEN IS GOING DOOOWN!" kind of guys.
Being a "leftist" is basically what you are as soon as you fucking dare to not agree with them and their often delusional ideas.
I mean, I'm all for cutting the immigration budget and open to ideas for better integration, but some of these xenohpobe nutjobs have to get their shit straight. One of the reasons for why I don't vote on Sverigedemokraterna is because I refuse to side with all the crazy, morons who never heard about a thing called "source criticism"
I am not reading any populist nationalist magazines faggot...
I'm liberal-left, but you have to be fucking braindead not to see what is going down.
40k for 1 room apartments, beggars outside EVERY store in the country. ISIS getting free healtcare and so on.
But, i know you are a male feminist hipster who get's abused by your girlfriend at daily basis, so i know you will stay a blind sheep, until you get assfucked yourself.
Step one: Go to the nearest embassy or consulate of [insert country here]. Alternatively have them mail over the papers.
Step two: Ask for a visa application form
Step three: File said visa application (the requirements, time and dedication needed will vary depending on what you intend to do in said country. Work visas are generally a lot easier to acquire than permanent resident visas etc.)
Step four: wait for them to either reject or approve your application
Bear in mind, this is a general and very vague description. Sometimes it's probably a lot easier to visit the country in question beforehand and THEN apply.
Based on paranoid horror stories who heard online, or exaggerated tabloid shit from semi dubious websites?
People have said Sweden is going to shit for 10 years now, yet the economical growth and average wealth is trending in a good direction.
Country may not be number one anymore like in the 80s, but it's not "crumbling", faggot.
"Being a "leftist" is basically what you are as soon as you fucking dare to not agree with them and their often delusional ideas."
And what do they call you if you are not agreeing with the left-feminists?
This country is getting sicker for every day and only a civil war and hanged politicians will change it..
Oh sorry, did I link you hard facts regarding our financial situation and you tried to refute them with insults and anecdotes?
The beggars are not a symptom of Swedish failure, but of Romanian failure. Just don't give them money. They are hardly entitled to tax founded money so they are no problem.
The amount of lies in this thread. If you want to move to Scandinavia Denmark and Sweden are probably your best long term decisions.
Norway's economy is heavily reliant on their oil and they are currently struggling with replacing it.
Pick Norway or Denmark instead. Sweden sucks, their youth are running in massive numbers to Norway to get jobs.
That said its getting harder to get job in Norway too.
My tip is apply to school in Norway or Denmark, it cost ca $100 per semester, but cost of living is crazy expensive. Denmark is the more laid back country tho, with reasonable prices on alcohol and tobacco
UK is crumbling too. Europe is very unstable. Lots of schisms, high unemployment rates & appartment/house prices.
all you have to do is look around. if you don't live in a pampered parts in the big cities, you know what's up
You know, if I could I'd trade places with you. You could live in Sweden and I can live in the US. But even though it's almost impossible for you to get over here, just remember that no place on earth is perfect and the grass is always greener on the other side. Europe is not a paradise, and the USA isn't utopia either.
you guys should honestly stop exaggerating this bullshit, its starting to perpatuate itsself
Ive been to Sweden and outside Malmö and a few other shitty areas its literally fucking god tier.
its neat, well organised, modern, and one of the best countries to be in Europe
Sweden is still more than 80% swedish and the largest group of immigrants are FINNISH.
exactly. people believe the internet shit stories.
belaive me. life is worse in other european countries. i have moved around europe the last 5 years and thing are nit really great. I am not saying sweden is perfect, we have lots of shit going on. but all countries does, and others shit is worse then ours...
Only the ones without education more or less. There is no reason for them to work in Sweden when their salaries are better in Norway, if OP has a decent education he is not going to have too many issues.
Yeah, I agree people are to quick to use that word. However, people who say shit like "muslims are leeching cockroaches" do not have my sympathy for being called racists.
The leaders of Sverigedemkraterna however are to intelligent and eloquent to say such things, and therefore I think it's unfair to call them racists.
I mean, being for lowered immigration does not always have to mean you are a racist who hates foreigners, generalize them and look down on them.
Personally I just think the Swedish economy will be better of in the long run if we aim for more labour immgration and less refugee immigration.
(let me add:)
Im not denying there are problems with immigrants in Sweden btw. Sweden should stay Swedish, and not become some sort of fucking middle east
I went there and enjoyed the hospitality and niceness of Swedish people, as fellow Germanic/European people like me (dutch). I dont go there to meet fucking arabs.
So it is sad whats happening, but my point is still:
Outside a few shitty areas, its GOOD, not perfect, but good.
>However, people who say shit like "muslims are leeching cockroaches" do not have my sympathy for being called racists.
Muslim is not a race. It is an ideology that does not punish indolence, and in fact rewards adherents for draining the resources of enemies (like Swedes). You think it's a coincidence that Western jihadis often have histories of living off welfare? They do that on purpose, so they have more time to spend praying, training, networking, and collecting weapons.
Do you think i am giving them money?
I agree the beggars are a romanian faliure, but i bet you are one of those guys that still don't think it's organised haha.
As for you calling isis and and wasting tax money anecdotes, just proves what kind of humanizing you are
And for the insult...I beliave you called me faggot first.
the sweden ver. turns out to be a ps
but still no artist name
anybody knows the name?
I don't care. More people means higher prices on apartments and houses. You need crazy high loans to get a place to live. Fuck this shit. This place has lost it's culture and everything and it's people from all over the world in every little town now. It's time to stop all immigration.
>This place has lost it's culture
this is a huge problem i think. we swedes are experts on denying out own culture and history. some people are even willing to it up because some immigrants feel oppressed by it. that's fucking incredible. but i think things are changing?
it's different being on a visit and actually life there.
there's are so many things wrong in sweden and you can't discuss it seriously on 4chan, because all people care to talk about is race & immigration.
>Muslim is not a race.
Yeah I know. I just understand why one could believe a person who calls them parasites could be called a "cultural racist".
The attitude of generalizing muslims calling them names, incite hatred towards them etc is similar enough to classic racism.
There is a difference between legitimate critizism and scorn through incitement to hatred.
It's in human nature to organize themselves to get out maximum efficiency. Can't really blame them for that.
Wasting money on a few couple of ISIS visits (we dont know how many they are, but surely insignifically few) does not really impact our economy or living standards.
I don't care about what race you are. It's filling up with people. We got people in my little town from all kinds of European countries now and it fucks up the prices and it's like that all over the country.
If you think the KKK are shit anymore, you obviously don't know the first thing about them, like how that the last official organization to call itself the KKK were sued into bankruptcy and the name became public domain. Saying you're in the Klan is about as impressive as saying you're in the Bloods or Crips. Not the Hells Angels though. Them boys don't fuck around, and they will sue poseurs and little girls for copyright infringement in a fucking heartbeat.
If your culture is so weak that you can't even hold on to it just because some people from another place come to live with you, then you deserve to loose your culture.... fuck off and die.
okay thats entirely possible! Im not an expert, I simply dont know how it is to live there
all I wanted to address is the usual bullshit thats being said on 4chan.
oh I didnt mean to imply that it exists
there is no perfect place.
and probably it would be fucking boring and abnormal to live in a perfect country. just putting that out there.
Not as frequently as I would like, id say a couple of times a month on average. I'm happy with that. Because Children suck and ruin everything. All you non Europeans keep churning out kids if you want, only going to fuck yourselves over.
Of course you want to be organised, but there is a BIG difference of getting 10 friends together to go to Sweden to beg, or pay money to a man that takes you to Sweden and then make you pay him even more to get a spot outside a store. And don't fucking even try to deny that's the case.
As for "Wasting money on a few couple of ISIS visits"
Again, that's not the point you fucking subhuman, it's the fact that your politicians think it's okey that is FUCKING SICK.
Hell, Mona even wanted to give them psychiatric help when they come back to Sweden from cutting of kids heads.
You are a sick fuck that agrees with this kind of politics.
Get married to a swede or get a job offer here. Anything other than that, you won't be given any other visa than a student's or tourist's.
Sweden is far from unproblematic in many ways, but when compared to the US the welfare and social security is a lot better.
If you like sunshine and warmth. Don't bother. The summers are really nice but Octobre through April are pretty much shit.
i didn't say it was unique to sweden. our problems aren't specific to our country alone. but if you think sweden is stable, think again. this is a very touchy topic as you might have discovered.
i know. lots of racism going on in swedish threads. people are angry & frustrated here, and 4chan is one of the few places where you can talk uncensored & without repercussions.
I don't agree with that shit dude. I just don't think the fact that one or two retarded or irrelevant politicians wants go give ISIS members help when they come home isn't proving that Sweden is going to shit.
Well though I don't agree, I can see a benefit: it's better they get psychiatric help then staying crazy and eventually blowing shit up.
This is true to some extent; however, you will quickly find that most Swedes are, when it comes to English, pretentious and would rather chew off their left arm than giving up an opportunity to speak English. You won't be getting much practice with your Swedish with the locals until you speak it almost fluently.
also this, it says xxxl at the bottom which might be the artist, but i couldnt find anything else other than this
>mfw i hear Swedish