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>ruin environment >force ppl to use their fucking roundup >screw peasans who decline to use their chemical products >their chemical products bring cancers and diseases in lakes / rivers around their factories
Monsanto does things people believe to be morally wrong and things for the betterment of their own company. They try to gain as much as they can financially as any company should. They produce all sorts of agriculture products, most famously crops and crop chemicals. They create GMOs to produce crops who are better, stronger, faster, sweeter, tastier, use less water, grow faster, than other crops. They sell said crops to farmers at high prices as customers are picky and with crops, the need is to minimalize losses. They get farmers to get in deals, make sure they cant reuse their crop without paying or permission, etc etc. People get upset at this despite it being Monsantos products. To get back people claim GMOs are bad, that Monsanto is unfair and trying to control agriculture. Monsanto wants its products, which by the way cost millions of dollors to produce including making sure they are safe and good enough to be distributed, which is why they have high price tags on their stuff. Their GMOs and such are also one of kind, it takes years and years of research and testing and red tape to be able to get a GMO able to be sold. They do not want their customized products to be taken and reused without repurchasing, because a farmer could buy a seed once, and never pay for it again and distribute that seed himself and make even more profit off of it. No one wants their product to be given out for free with so much overhead cost. Monsanto is like the music industry of agriculture. Thats not to say they are not unfair, because they do try to pimp out farmers, but thats only because the law allows them to. Their GMOs can be a bit questionable, but that is an issue of the FDA and the government. Most GMOs will not cause any adverse effects as techincally all organisms are GMOs. Its the lack of fully understanding what has been affected in the organism that is the questionable
>>614216692 Monsanto genetically modifying grain seeds is dangerous because it gives them ability to become a global monoply. Why? Because if they "invented" the seeds, then they can patent them, and because they already have such a huge market share they'd instantly become a global monopoly and have nearly complete control over the worlds food supply. Think about it, having a patent on food.
>>614216692 >Phase one: Make Frankenseeds >Phase two: Sell them to farmers >Phase three: Sue the shit out of all the farmers near by for using your intellectual property >Phase four: Profit Not to mention there is proof GMOS have proven to be harmful to rats and pigs..
part. As genetics gets iffy in where you modify the organism, and believe that X causes Y, but with any modification of an organism, the changes are never really 100% certain. So X may give you Y but you may also get Z after some factor unforeseen in testing. People should not be afraid of GMO's or Monsanto. Having stronger regulation of both and transparency for farmers is what is needed. And if people werent so fucking picky with their foods, farmers wouldnt be in this pickle.
TLDR; Monsanto is a company, companying, and farmers are farmering
>>614220285 >They create GMOs to produce crops who are better, stronger, faster, sweeter, tastier, use less water, grow faster, than other crops >>614220285
That also grow their own pesticides and animals who eat them grow tumors.
But its ok for you to eat guise. Nevermind the animals who avoid it and eat organic. Nevermind all the scientists speaking out on it. Nevermind Monsanto feverishly fighting to keep labeling GMOs in stores impossible.
i study agriculture kek, anyway so monsanto basically has this law where if a farmer has monsanto seeds on their plot and the wind carries the seeds while blooming to your farm, you get the fuck sued out of you for using their product without purchase, even though it was entirely not your fault.
Please show me this journal of facts on animals who grew tumors after eating their GMOs...
Pesticides are known to be the causes of cancerous growths, not produce. They of course contain toxins harmful to living organisms, eat enough pesticide and it will adversely affect you. Its the cost of removing pests from produce.
Show me journals and studies of this please.
And monsanto is obviously going to try and keep labelling out of stores because their stock would plummet, the farmers who buy their GMOs would all turn to more "natural" products because the farmers wont make money from the tin foil hat wearing citizens that see GMO and run away.
>>614216692 From what I've come to understand is that Monsanto makes gmo seeds, and if these seeds are carried by the wind into someone else's farm and ends up growing that farmer owes Monsanto for the right to use their seed otherwise they can be sued.
Since the gmo seed can thrive better in poor soil it has a greater ability to grow, so one seed can put you entirely indebted to Monsanto if it's in your crop, and Monsanto being the farming congrlomerate they are can afford the legal backing to make sure that farmer goes full Monsanto.
Generally they are good. They are trying to produce GMOs to use less resources on the farmers end, to produce a higher yield, all with improving the physical characteristics of the product. Its in between that where it gets iffy.
Do I hate the hospital for its costs? Yea but its services are important for the system to survive. Extreme example, but whatever yo
>>614220936 >Nevermind the animals who avoid it and eat organic. Nevermind all the scientists speaking out on it. There are animals that can detect miniscule differences in DNA and know that it's been GMd? That's impressive.
Also, 85%+ of scientists agree that GM foods are safe for people, animals, and the environment.
>>614221886 Mate, the WHO just released a paper affirming that glyphosate is a probable carcinogen. Glyphosate = Roundup. If you amerifats want to eat shit go ahead, but please keep it to yourselves. Look at your life expectancy compared to European countries FFS!
Also this: The World According to Monsanto (FULL LENGTH): http://youtu.be/N6_DbVdVo-k
No. Youre the one with the claim, back it up. Find ONE study where just consumed GMO had given direct cause of cancerous growths in animals.....oh whats that? you cant find one because none fucking exist because GMOs dont cause cancer and people like you do? Oh shit youre right
>>614219717 >>614221111 He's actually not a lobbyist for Monsanto, but represents the groups trying to get Golden Rice approved to reduce blindness and death in 3rd world countries. The TV interviewer obviously had their bias going into the interview by trying to change the subject to Monsanto or Roundup (which many companies besides Monsanto produce)
>>614222965 Man, the scientific literacy rate in this thread is so, so bad.
Just because one journal publishes some collection of findings does not immediately confirm the hypothesis. Once those published experiments are done over and over again, over years or decades, and the trend is confirmed ONLY THEN IS IT CONSIDERED THEORY/TRUTH.
>>huffpo said it so it must be true. Sources link back to another huffpo article.
>>614220295 this and also that if you develop stronger crops, the parasites that eat the crops also develop and then all the non engineered plants that can be affected by the parasites are fucked and so is the whole ecosystem. to put it short.
>>614222457 There is a seed catalogue in Europe, called the GNIS, who specify what can be planted, harvested and sold on the european territory. And they are the cause of the fast disparition of the major part of the seeds diversity. As an exemple, for 500 varieties of cabbage cultivated in the 50's in France, we only plant at least 50 varieties today. Because they think this is "not tested"
Genetically modifying foods isn't inherently evil. It's the patenting of naturally occurring genetic material that's fucked-up. Farmers next to monsanto owned-farms get sued all the time because monsanto owns a patent on a fucking plant. And then if any of those plants are found on an adjacent plot (due to, you know, NATURE AN SHIT) they sue the fuck out of the poor farmer who happens to be next to them. This often puts the farmer out of business and they sell their plot to monsanto. That's a little of why they are evil.
>>614223103 >>>614222714 (You) >>There are animals that can detect miniscule differences in DNA and know that it's been GMd? >They can smell the chemicals. It also makes them sick. You don't hoe DNA works, do you... >>Also, 85%+ of scientists agree that GM foods are safe for people, animals, and the environment. >You mean those "scientists" who get paid to do so? Seeing as 95% of scientists agree that climate change is real, they must all be paid shills too
Monsanto literally lobbies to fluoridate the U.S. Water supply. Fluoride has been linked to hundreds of diseases and was first utilized in an attempt to make Jews more docile by nazi scientists.
They are buying land, planting gmo seed, spraying toxic chemicals, and those seeds are one time use. That means if they continue to control the food supply and drug the water supply people will continue to get sick.
Oh but obongo care will save em'!
GTFO shilling wort.
Read into something with the heart of a free man rather than idiotic money collecting.
Hell the false sense of pride is so overwhelming people would be dumb founded to conclude that one family owns every central bank and works closely with the other 200 maybe 300 families to maintain control.
>>614216692 Other than the agent orange (which they didn't have a clue it was this toxic - test about this were proven years later) nothing. Just a bunch of newage fags hating science for no real reason other than "humans are evil, nature is perfect, we should be extinct, and monsanto and gmos are the antichrist".
>>614217126 This. And after farmers buy crops. Even if it's Monsanto's fault they gave them the wrong crop. Monsanto has sued before and caused much trouble for the person who planted it because of their fuck up. >cancerous company
>>614216692 Once you buy Monsanto seeds you are not legally allowed to use seeds grown from the plants you planted with the first batch of seeds. It's in their fine print. So when a farmer buys seeds, plants crops and collects seeds from said crops to plant again. Monsanto comes in with lawyers and wrecks shop.
Cross pollination occurs in that a farm will have Monsanto grown plants, cross pollination causes a neighboring farm to wind up having some of Monsanto's "property" read genetic traits and feats of GMO product. Monsanto then sues the farm claiming the farm is stealing their product. Lawyers come in and wreck shop.
Monsanto creates some variety of plants with a feature known as Terminator seeds, these plants produce seeds that cannot grow into new plants. As such with cross pollination it is a potential threat to wipe out a plant population by creating a dead generation of seeds. Fortunately every country I am aware of has banned the use of said seeds in food crops.
Some Monsanto varieties require their pesticides to be able to produce any yield at all, through cross pollination there is a risk of this spreading to other nearby farms and wiping out crops of farmers who use alternative or no pesticides.
There is a decent amount of research showing that pesticides targeting certain bacterium may well be the primary cause of Colony Collapse disorder in Bees. this is a huge problem and more research is needed to 100% confirm, but so far it seems likely.
The pesticides do cause a decent number of environmental problems including groundwater pollution.
>>614220891 >>This has literally never happened. It has. Litigation tactics for Monsanto include sending a team of strong-arms to check crops in and around the area for their patents, then identifying which places are inadvertently using their seeds because of seed migration and suing the shit out of them for infringement, even if the farmer doesn't know they have Monsanto seedcrops on their land.
I usually don't give a shit about corporate practices, because they're too well designed to fuck over competition and small business, but food corps are bastards when it comes to seed IP and litigation. Monsanto has lobbied to negate the practice of seed storing as well, because of the possibility that their seeds could be mixed in with non-GMO small farms' stores. They have some pretty fucking terrible methods of exacting a profit, which is why I feel terrible for anyone attempting to get into agriculture and farming. It's a lucrative business, but you're going to get fucked by the big agriculture companies at some point.
>>614227041 >Legally not allowed to reseed It's the person buying the seeds fault for not reading the contract >Cross Pollination Never has Monsanto actually sued anyone over cross pollination. >Terminator seeds While the technology exists terminator seeds are illegal to sell. >Dead Crops Source?
>>614227803 Don't bother explaining. The will continue to make baseless claims because they love the "perfect mother nature". And when they can't prove their claims they'll start to insult everyone who doesn't agree with their retarded dogma.
Things that kill natural farming: 1. Over-nitration of the soil. High levels of nitrogen actually kill off the microbes that produce it naturally in the soil. Thus, requiring more nitrogen to be added artificially and making the problem worse and worse.
2. A number of FDA approved pesticides have been linked to "Colony Collapse Syndrome". Hence, CCS isn't actually a thing, it was always use of inappropriate pesticides that was killing bees.
3. Homogenization. When a species is homogenized, it becomes highly susceptible to diseases and other forms of predation by organisms exploiting a niche. Diversity of plants helps to naturally buffer these effects so that one plague doesn't wipe out an entire crop. e.g: almost all banana crops nearly being wiped out by a fungus because there are only 1 or 2 commercial species
Monsanto has near-monopolistic control over certain crops. That alone is worrying, and when you pile on the patenting of genetic information and permanent licencing arrangements they impose on farmers, it's just plain a terrible company.
Sources, *from Monsanto's own website*: http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/saved-seed-farmer-lawsuits.aspx http://www.monsanto.com/food-inc/pages/monsanto-revolving-door.aspx
Other than "the government hasn't stopped us yet" and "here's a study that vaguely indicates people will buy from our competitors", there's nothing there to contradict that Monsanto has a monopoly on soya bean seeds.
They are makign GMO's that sterilize plants. This controls farmers and is done only for profit. It means farmers cannot keep seed from year to year. Instead, they must buy new seed from Monsanto.
This is evila nd dangerous as shit because if all farms were using Monsanto seed, but they failed to produce new product, went out of business, or for whatever reason the copyrighted genes were made unavailable for public use ( A rich asshole could buy it then just not sell seed anymore.)
If any of that shit happens then, tada, no food.
It's insanely reckless and stupid and will probably eventually lead to a massive famine.
How can you, as someone who isn't a expert on a given topic, properly form an educated opinion on said topic, when all sides are throwing out more research than you can reasonably work through, much less check if it's actually peer reviewed properly? Add to that how many peer reviewed studies actually turn out to be bullshit and are paid for by someone with a financial interest in the outcome of the study. How can you really be sure of anything you are taught besides self evident concepts? Not to mention propaganda, you know how everyone's always going on about how the Ruskies are telling lies? They say the same things about us. So who is right? I will never be able to verify either of these claims. I'm too apathetic to become a conspiritard, but sometimes I wonder how many lies I have accepted as truth.
>>614229223 Indeed. Science reports the truth with a degree of accuracy, but bad science can say whatever the author wants. Few people can tell the difference between the two, and no one knows enough to consistently distinguish them.
I say, just go with what makes you happy and reserve judgement on everything else. Being right for its own sake is ultimately meaningless.
>>614228631 >>Terrible business practices >>Feeds large populations >>This thread I took a couple of courses last semester with one professor who legitimately attempted to push Gaia theory as considerable fact, and another who was a counter-culturalist that thought all corporate entities existed to do evil, so we should all go work at some farm he had contacts with.
Neither of them agreed with the idea of profit making and didn't like to entertain financial arguments. They just wanted to talk about idealist theory. Drove me mad because I had to effectively learn how current political and economic systems worked on my own, instead of hearing about how they SHOULD work.
>>614228975 Yes I am here because I am a paid shill. Not because I have done genetic modification on both eukaryotes and prokaryotes before and I understand how genes and proteins work. Maybe I should just give up my 4 year degree and watch YouTube clips because you know more about biology than I do. Even though you have never been in a bio lab
>>614229029 >This is evila nd dangerous as shit because if all farms were using Monsanto seed, but they failed to produce new product, went out of business, or for whatever reason the copyrighted genes were made unavailable for public use That's not evil, just good business sense. It's removing competition and cornering a market. If you think that's evil, go live on a fucking collective farm and become a Luddite, because the rest of the world is going to disappoint the shit out of you.
>>614220924 It has no effect on humans or animals. Round Up's active chemical is glyposate, which inhibits the enzyme ESPS synthetase in the Shikimate Acid Pathway of plants and bacteria for the inhibiton of de novo biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids such as Phenyalanine, and Tyrosine. Humans and Animals do not have the Shikimate Acid Pathway, and can not synthesize aromatic amino acids such as Phenylalanie, therefore Round Up has no place to act. Round Up Resistant crops are transgenic plants expressing a bacterial CP4 ESPS Synthetase Enzyme, which glyposphate can not inhibit, and thus are immune from Round Up, which ill kill weeds and pests trying to interfere with the plant to provide optimal growth.
>>614216692 They are trying to patent the food that feeds the world. They are messing around with the genes of the food that feeds the world, they generally don't know the long term consequences of there manipulation of food stuffs but they are almost certain it won't have serious long term consequences.
>>614231132 Anyone with a background in biology who read my post would know I know my shit. Since you have no idea what I am talking about you're just some ignorant nigger who thinks they know more than scientists. I worked hard for my degree for you to think you know more than me because you read hippie blogs and watch retarded YouTube clips show how fucking stupid you are
>>614231870 Meh, probably not the best to drink a shit load of it, but trace amounts in food won't really cause harm.
' The mechanisms of toxicity of glyphosate formulations are complicated. Not only is glyphosate used as five different salts but commercial formulations of it contain surfactants, which vary in nature and concentration. As a result, human poisoning with this herbicide is not with the active ingredient alone but with complex and variable mixtures.'
>>614216692 op apparently likes companies that produce poison and drop millions of gallons of it on civilians. He also apparently likes monopoly and the patenting of life. Op is a confirmed edgy 13 year old.
"Reviews on the safety of glyphosate and Roundup herbicide that have been conducted by several regulatory agencies and scientific institutions worldwide have concluded that there is no indication of any human health concern."
"The oral absorption of glyphosate and AMPA is low, and both materials are eliminated essentially unmetabolized. Dermal penetration studies with Roundup showed very low absorption. Experimental evidence has shown that neither glyphosate nor AMPA bioaccumulates in any animal tissue. No significant toxicity occurred in acute, subchronic, and chronic studies. Direct ocular exposure to the concentrated Roundup formulation can result in transient irritation, while normal spray dilutions cause, at most, only minimal effects. The genotoxicity data for glyphosate and Roundup were assessed using a weight-of-evidence approach and standard evaluation criteria. There was no convincing evidence for direct DNA damage in vitro or in vivo, and it was concluded that Roundup and its components do not pose a risk for the production of heritable/somatic mutations in humans. "
>>614234063 Examiner. Examiner.com is a media company based in Denver, Colorado, that operates a network of local news websites which use "pro–am contributors"' blogs for content. These posters' city-based items are tailored to 238 markets throughout the United States and parts of Canada in two putative national editions, one for each country.
>Matt Smith of the San Francisco Weekly noted in 2007 that numerous articles and photos by Sharon Gray were from other sources, including the Sacramento Bee, and constituted apparent plagiarism. Smith suggested that the case showed that "free isn't always a bargain." When questioned, Jim Pimentel, executive editor of Examiner said,
"They're blogs. They don't get edited. We don't give any direction to people on what to write in their blogs. And that's standard operating procedure."
After Smith brought the issue to Pimentel's attention, the voluminous Gray material was removed from Examiner.com. Pimentel said the Examiner has "a less-strict standard for accuracy and attribution in stories that appear on the Web" than for publications in print. According to Smith, Robert Gunnison, director of school affairs at the U.C. Berkeley's Graduate School of Journalism, shares his own view that newspapers "should observe the same journalism standards online as they do in print."
>>614232412 The thing is the traits we want in our food limit genetic diversity. Mutations like seedless grapes is what the public want in their food. Corn has been so genetically trait chosen that it can't reproduce without humans, same thing with turkeys. There is no short term gain for farmers to diversify their crops. They want the things with the highest yields to make the most money
>>614232988 They spent millions of dollars to develop seeds that have higher yields than natural seeds for farmers can make more money. Shouldn't they make money from the increase yields from their seeds?
>>614230078 if a new crop isnt developed with resistance then yeah. Its how evolution works, except its accelerated here. This is why literally every plant is technically GMO, because evolution is a fucking thing
They put a patent on their GMO gene modification methods for their plants but don't isolate their plants from the general environment. Spores interact with private farmers' plants, new GMO plants start to grow on farmers' fields, farmers can't do anything about it because nature, all Monsanto's fault anyway but they sue farmers for stealing product and profiting off it, they put farmers out of business and grow further by being cunts.
>>614235671 yeah the business may or may not be unfair, thats not the area i know so i dont bother arguing about that. The part about GMOs and the science couldnt be more clear though honestly and yes it is true. thats what they did with papaya when it was almost wiped out by PRSV
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