Why does the world have time zones?
It makes more sense to have one time all over the world, we could all use a 24 hour clock and get rid of all this am/pm bullshit. During Christmas in the Southern Hemisphere its summer and nobody is confused, why do we still have such a retarded time system?
If we had one single time zone for Earth, noon would be the middle of the day in some places, but it would be morning, evening and the middle of the night in others. Since different parts of the Earth enter and exit daylight at different times, we need different time zones.
The world does have one time (the time in london). Its just that people want local time zones so its not dark at 12:00.
Timezones originated as a way to tell longitude. Latitude was easy because the earth has poles with a defined equator, but no one knew how to tell how east/west while at sea. they set the prime meridian (0 degrees longitude) to the position of dublin, england, and decided that that was the first time zone.
It started with Railroads in the US. Before implementing the time zone system, each town or village would set it's clocks to noon when the sun reached it's zenith over that town. So if you traveled to the next town or two down the road, your watch would be off a little or a lot, depending on distance. <cont>
Then there would be no normal time for things. Like noon is a common time for lunch, but it wouldn't be without time zones. Imagine celebrating new years at a fucked up time. Happy new year! Wtf, it's an hour until sun rise, let me sleep.
I'm a software dev and I hate time zones. They really complicate my life.
Are you aware of unix time stamps? They are awesome. It's the same time everywhere in the universe.
Of course I realized this, what I'm saying is there's no need to have a 'noon' be in the middle of the day. Midnight would be noon on the other side of the earth, having no time zones would simplify everything and you wouldn't have two separate days happening at the same time
my, my anon. you're quite the dense one aren't you?
Because I said so, you cheeky cunt.
If you are trying to run a railroad on a certain schedule, adjusting your schedule for each and every little town would be a big pain in the ass. So the Railroads divided the continent into zones and set them an hour apart.
Greenwitch Mean Time is the -navigational- standard. And here in the US, Eastern Standard Time is 5 hours behind GMT. GMT wasn't really used to create time zones until a while later when it became the Zero Mark for time, as well as navigation.
This is an awful answer, the only reason we have lunch at noon is because its's noon when we have lunch. it's the other way around you fuckin ping pong
It only seems fucked up because we have time zones right now, if they didn't exist then 'noon' or midday would be relative to you position on earth and you'd be used to it if it were at 11 pm
one, it wouldnt be 11, it'd be 23. And two, no it wouldn't if that's simply how the world worked it's only "fucked up", as you put it, now because we run on timeszones
>you fuckin ping pong
You'd never understand the context. "It's *insert time* will you please shut up!" If you hear that line on a tv show you have no idea how bad it is. Are their neighbors being loud at 10:00 pm? 2:00 am? You don't know. You lose a lot of context by not knowing what time of day it is.
I think the inner conflict OP is having with this, is generated from this example's reasoning. We invented timezones to decomplexify train schedules. But train schedules are a primitive system, and with the infrastructure of the Internet, it would be easy to teach everyone to use universal coordinated time as mean solar time for day-to-day living. Maybe parallel to timezone usage, to maintain geolocation awareness.
It's about spacetime, and unfortunately we needed to divide the surface of the Earth for convenience. Really, there's no reason not to, since we keep atomic time for unified calculation otherwise. It's convenience, OP, because human time-keeping is relative anyways.
not if your using a 24 hour clock
>ya ping pong
But as I've pointed out, that information is very useful. "He asked to come watch a movie, but it was X!" "Is X late there? Yeah. It's like... close to bed time." With time zones we always know without asking.
Further, there are complications from having days not line up with human days. For example, Christmas is a statutory holiday. Imagine if a statutory holiday ran from 2pm Wednesday to 2pm Thursday. How fucked up would that be? Would you come into work for Wednesday morning and Thursday afternoon?
Why does the world have different monetary currencies?
It makes more sense to have one type of currency all of the world, we could ass use one type of currency and get rid of all this foreign exchange bullshit. During Christmas in the Southern Hemisphere people buy with the same coins and nobody is confused, why do we still have such a retarded currency system?
This is honestly the stupidest thread I have ever seen. Who are the retards that cant add and subtract anything under 24, seriously.
Another point, by removing time zones, the concept of the 24 hour clock becomes irrelevant, the reason its 24 hours is because there are 24 our in a day at any specific latitude. If you have a universal clock for for every latitudinal point on the earth then time becomes meaningless. oh, its 4 am in paris, you woudnt have any context as to what time of day it would be in any given region. retarded thread, kill yourself.
You should be asking the opposite. How come we don't use exact mean solar time as each individual's 'time'? That would require pinpointing geolocation data for each clock, and would throw a fucking monkey wrench into human time-keeping and scheduling. But, coincidentally, Google just did this for all of its servers for perfect time synchronization. It's called Spanner, look it up. Why don't humans do this? Everyone already has an atomic-synced clock on them. Fuck timezones, GPS-atomic-synced time is the future.
absolutely not true, there are different types of ifnlation, demand pull and cost push, which are when aggregate demand expands, and when aggregate supply deflates respectively.
This is literally the most retarded thread I've seen on /b/ thanks for the keks idiots
But you'd need to know both their location and where it is. Just reading a comment or watching a tv show I often have no idea where they are, and even if they did mention it, I wouldn't always know exactly where that is.
But you often aren't provided that. Reading a green text story with
> wake up at 1 pm
Would need to become
> wake up at 1 pm in London, Ontario, Canada
And the reader would need to know enough about London, Ontario, Canada to understand. Did this guy wake up at a normal time? Did he sleep in? It's now a huge chore to find out. Plus the guy is telling an embarrassing story and wouldn't want to reveal personally identifiable information like where he lives.
Spanner is Google's distributed semi-relational SQL and storage database that uses a proprietary data transport protocol that nearly eliminates overhead, and all child servers are independently synced to GPS time using hardware GPS systems and a direct line to the nearest atomic clock -- and calculated for latency. It's the largest and most near-perfectly time-synced communications system on the planet. Next question?
having a discussion about the use of time on earth < calling people nigger faggots
How does that have ANYTHING to do with your original post where you brought it up? The clocks are synchronized. That has nothing to do with solar time or time zones. Time zones are for display to humans.
That doesn't change the fact that we could greatly benefit from localized GPS time synchronization. You don't actually have any idea how fucked up Russia and Australia's time zones are, do you? Here, I'll help you with this one, since you obviously have a fucking learning disability.
It doesn't feel right. Watching a tv show and hearing "want to come over at X?". I want to understand this easily. I don't want to have to follow clues "where does this show take place again?"
You have no idea what that even means. Clock synchronization has absolutely nothing to do with time zones. The fact that you think it does proves that you're not intelligent enough to understand the situation, but want to appear intelligent. So you hear something and think "that guy sounds smart, I'll repeat his opinion to others" only you completely failed at understanding his opinion, and you tried to use his opinion where it didn't apply.
Go ahead, plug it into a plagiarism checker, I dare you. I'm sorry you can't handle that someone on /b/ may have a higher fucking IQ than you. Wow, I couldn't at all be a computer science major or anything, that would be ludicrous! Don't you have a fucking You Banana You Lose thread to make?
you have to go and look up timezones, if universal time was just natural to everybody, here's how itd go
>oh its such and such time in america
>that means the sun isnt up in autralia
>ill call later
its not hard
Not true. With a 24 hour clock you know opposite you is the exact opposite time of day. For example its 24 in Australia and midday. Therefore it's likely around 14 or 15 in North America and you'd simply have to substract the amount of hours you are away to determine its very early in the morning there and wait A few hours
If you traveled to another country you would have to figure out if there 12pm is lunch, dinner, or whatever. Now you travel some where you know it's 6-8pm so you know it's time to eat.
Was I talking about time zones from the start? Because I don't think my point about Spanner's efficiency had anything to do with time zones. I'm sorry your one-track mind couldn't juggle what I was talking about with what the topic of the thread was. I thought I precluded myself well enough, my mistake, I guess.
I don't know, Anon. If my point is so moot, maybe you should ask Google's infrastructural architects what they think.
You obviously didn't understand what I was getting at from the get-go, so just fuck off already.
So you're asking everyone in the world to know the rough time of every country in the world? My, that sounds like exactly what timezones are. But timezones also give traditional times for things, lunch is at noon, dinner at night.
Why? If I'm talking to my friend, we know we are both in Scotland. It's not a normal thing to say. Why would you say that? Especially since it's 8pm everywhere on earth, so the fact that you're in Scotland is even less important to the person you're talking to. Explain to me why I'd tell someone that we're both in Scotland when they already know we are both in Scotland?
Why cant this retarded ass thread 404 already?
why are you asking where you both are if you know where you both are ya fuckin wrench
Creating one time zone wouldn't change the fact that the sun sets in one place and rises in another, it wouldn't change the confusion whilst talking to someone on the other side of the planet.
Just learn how to add and subtract the time from where you live to another part of the earth and viola.
I never said I was asking. What the hell are you talking about? What I'm saying is that when watching a tv show you wouldn't understand what time of day it was. 8pm is the same time of day everywhere. But in the new system it wouldn't be. So the viewer wouldn't fully understand the context.
The original point stands though, Both of these methods accomplish the same goals except timezones also give you the benefit of knowing what happens at what times as compared to having to find out what time lunch is in Sweden or Zimbabwe
The point being made here is sound. Either way, you have to tell someone a relative geographic location, or they have to have a preconceived notion of it. Otherwise, the receiver doesn't know whether that means day or night for the transmitter. This matters, because of circadian rhythm. Otherwise one side of the Earth would operate at night, and if it didn't, as it doesn't, you would be required to inform others of the position of the sun where you are located at their same time.
Hence, time zones. Rough guidelines, ambiguous and inexact. Just like human beings' inherent experience of time at root anyways. Time is always relative, until the entire planet is communicating instantaneously, FTL.
So, let's shift to the Greenwich.
If you were by Greenwitch, which is the 0 or the "first" time zone, it would be about 11AM at your time and you'd be having dinner.
By 1PM you'd have to go to bed and it will be all dark.
When it's 10PM you'll have to go to school.
Now, what makes more sense:
1. seeing tat it's 1pm and seeing that it's dark and getting ready to sleep
2. seeing 11pm and seeing that it's dark and getting ready to bed?
(yes, i know about the white nights in Russia and the situation with the north pole, but that happens rarely)
honestly, I'm not sure if this is a troll or just America's education system failing. And don't try to say you are not American, only an American can ask such a dumb question.
Look man so people who move around the world can have the same schedule or they can get accoustom to going to work at 9 and coming home at 5. So it is much easier for everyone when they have a conversation. But this is /b/ so fuck it because everyone is a faggot and that is the only logical explanation.
You'd figure out pretty quick when the sun sets and rises. Therefore making whatever time that happens, be it 4 or 8 or 17, morning and night. Plus the people around you could easily tell you this basic info. 24 is lunch or 5 is dinner here, very simple
Exactly. Time zones make my job difficult, but they are useful. I'd have a much easier time developing software if they didn't exist, but I know that they are valuable.
Pretending they aren't useful doesn't mean that they aren't.
the timezone a character is located in a fictional world in a theoretical world isnt even that important anyway. if you were watching mr.ciamanaskswhyhewear'sthemask.webm in this theoretical you dont actaully give a fuck what timezone Gotham is in so why would it come up?
Oh and that must mean it contributes nothing to the conversation. No, OP's goal of the discussion wasn't at all to discuss a more efficient and accurate system of timekeeping. I must've posted in the wrong thread.
You're such the classic /b/ nay-sayer. I reveal a golden example and prime subject of discussion, and you shit all over it like the primate troll like you are. I can't wait until your kind returns to the digital and/or genetic cesspool from whence you fucking came, whichever comes first.
So you're saying people should learn what time it is in their country and around the world?
My gosh :o that is exactly what timezones are!
Still less simple than looking at my clock. Plus if say I know breakfast is served until 11am at my favorite chain restaurant time zones are super helpful. It would be very difficult to figure out when it would be served until here without looking it up.
And yet you ask the most childish question ever...
What's next? Why do birds fly? Why do fish swim?
You want to understand the story. Understanding time is often important to understanding the story. If you can't understand the story why watch. And if you think television isn't if value, explain how it's a multi billion dollar industry?
A grocery store in Australia is open 9 til 5. Just like the rest of the world. It is much more difficult to find out that in India they are open 17-1.
Hence timezones > No Timezones
Your argument sucks and you should feel bad. I hope to god you'll never be a teacher or instructor, no matter what country you live in. Go take some fucking critical thinking and philosophy courses.
It's very useful to have days switch in a "down time". Midnight is a less busy time and so it's a good time to have days change. It becoming tomorrow in the middle of the normal work period would cause many problems.
That's one more person to ask then just knowing your timezones. And considering you need to know as much about "Universal time" as you do timezones there's really no reason to learn "Universal time"
I feel like you are all just too lazy to move your watch to the correct time zone once in that country, hence you prefer to have all time zone and never move your watch
also, you do realize that America will be about 7 or 11 hours behind their current time, right?
for most of Europe it woudln't be a problem, since mostly tis GMT+0 to GMT+4 but USA is like GMT+8 and china is GMT-8 or so?
They often are. Like the episode of Seinfeld where Kramer comes into Jerry's room in the middle of the night. Much easier to understand with time zones. Even if you can tell it's night time, whether it's 10 pm or 5 am is a huge difference.
Lol but the purpose of time zones is to perform that calculation automatically. It's not that hard to understand. The only problem with timezones is that they aren't divided into 24 equal sectors, but leave it to politics to overcomplexify everything.
Getting rid of timezones would be getting rid of time for pretty much everywhere except where Universal time began because people would just use "Day, Midday, Night" You know, the whole stone age thing
Yea man time zones are unnecessary in today's modern society. We could simplify everything without them and get rid of this am/pm bullshit as well as having 2 days happening at the same time
What? It pointed out exclusively, that Russia and Australia's time zone rules are fucking wonky as shit. That doesn't even begin to describe the randomness that is Pacific island timezones. As for the "but this doesn't make it 'difficult' for anyone" argument, just ask the computer programmer what they think about that >>646816306
And? It's off by 30 minutes. It's not that "CRAZY WONKY BULLSHIT AHHHHHHHHH" using my timezone (Australia) I can easily figure out what time it is everywhere else by timezone. How would universal time fix that issue. You realise days would be ending at 14:35 or 4:09 that's the weird part
Midnight and noon have nothing to do with timezones.
It's based on sunrise, sunset, and the halfway point.
This is the most retarded thread I have ever seen on here, and it's full of morons trying to defend having no timezones by telling people to mentally adjust foreign times... (that's what timezones are)
I'm equally amused and disturbed by this thread.
You're retarded. How does there not being a time zone running through his room have to do with anything? I'm saying seeing Jerry check his clock and seeing it say 4:00 am is useful in a world of time zones, but not useful in a world of no time zones (regardless of what the clock says, it could be 0400 or a picture of a duck, the point is the time doesn't provide any additional context).
Did you knew you can have.. MULTIPLE CLOCKS MAYBE?!
Wow, you sure are a special brand of stupid, aren't you? First of all, to compound your argument, there are particular timezones that are offset by 15, 10, and even 5 minutes, jackass.
Second of all, countries such as Russia not only have timezones that are off by HOURS from true solar time in that area, but have an even more complicated daylight savings time system.
You are so fucking ignorant. If you would've watched that YouTube video from the quoted post, and then kept your fucking stupid, grubby, cheeto, dorito, and mtn dew -encrusted fingers off of your keyboard for a minute, there would be that much less stupidity in the world at the moment.
>MFW "Noon" is ""noon" Because the sun is i the middle of the fucking sky
As already explained in his thread that would be easy to know. you simply add or subtract their local time to yours and adjust to the time of day.. Example. It's 18 here and midday, so if it's 24 there then it's likely supper time
So now you need to know where everything you read or view takes place, in addition to knowing where that place is geographically.
So everything from reading a green text story to watching a tv show to hearing a joke now requires additional information.
And what do we gain here exactly? Now I begin dinner on Tuesday and finish it on Wednesday, but at least I don't need to comprehend how it can be Tuesday here and Wednesday on the other side of the world.
And as already stated in this thread,
The solution you just gave IS timezones.
Adjusting the time to the relevant hour in relation to you is the purpose of timezones.
You are literally saying we should remove timezones, and then mentally adjust foreign times to their relative timezone.
Do you not see how retarded that is?
- Daylight savings is the problem not timezones
- Times are off? Boy you stupid? universal time would throw times off as well
- It doesn't matter the difference between 5 minutes and 6 hours, it's still a difference in time which timezones solve
- There was no need to get rude
>mfw people just want everything to get easier and simpler, more retarded
I guess this is what happened when people kept lowering their education standards . you fags make a sad sad planet.
This is the one good argument. No fixed timezone system means setting ambiguity, and translates to require time accompanied by location at all times.
Shit like anything on the Internet doesn't really matter, but all books and stories would fail. Probably a lesson in why this debate is manifesting in the first place.
Continue your argument, If it's not DST causing problems with timezones what is it?
I'm sure you've written an essay at some point in your life and you know how to get full marks... USE EXAMPLES
its called basic geography, a fundamental understanding of the world proportional to yourself, you learn what would be relavent to you, if a joke doesnt make sense becasue you didnt care to pay attention in your geography class, its all kinda on you for just being a fuckin retard
There are timezones in Russia that say it's 3 pm, when the sun is directly overhead, and that's not DST. DST even exaggerates it more, by an hour. Not all zones in Russia follow DST, complexifying timekeeping further. Australia's timezones are arguably worse, but more so due to DST. I can't really put this into simpler terms, without drawing you a picture. Obviously you need that, since you learn like a fucking middle-schooler. If that's the case, just watch the fucking video, it depicts the irrationality of our timezone systems. Meanwhile, I'm done replying to you, because you're a weeaboo faggot with the communication skills of a brick wall.
how do you not know the relative position of Paris within France, Bejing within China, or, Sydney in Australia. It's not very hard to just know these things. its about population centers, things that are relavent, not obscure villages on the outskirts of these cities
because we're talking about time zones you fucking faggot
Jokes would now need to say where they are. It ruins the joke. It's not about not having paid attention in geography, it's about not even being told where it is. It's a bloody joke. If I post a joke on my webpage I want the user to be able to relate to it. They should even be able to imagine the joke about two neighbors is about them and their neighbor. I don't want to kill that by saying it takes place in Houston, Texas. It makes the joke feel much less organic and relatable.
You wouldn't believe my neighbor. He came over and banged on my door at 2 am last night. Luckily I was awake playing my drums.
The joke is made worse by saying I'm in Houston, Texas. The joke was meant to be universal. Now it's grounded in Texas. And that information added nothing to the joke, other than providing context so you know what 2 am means.
Also, 2 am has emotions attached to it. You immediately understand 2 am and relate to it. I don't care how quickly you do the math in your head, it isn't the same experience.
> Australian timezones even worse.
Yes, daylight savings is shit, but only a small few wanted it. WA finally got rid of it after voting no on it for the 3rd or 4th time.
What 'time zone' is Tibet in? Oh, don't know off the top of your head? Better look up its geographic location, annddd.... You just calculated a timezone. Now which is easier, everyone performing arithmetic every time they want to have an understanding of the time setting (position of the sun) of a particular location, or just knowing it when you're told the time?
If you believe the former, enjoy your children being taught how to tell time of day for a given universal time in a location, by using Common Core arithmetic techniques, shitstain.
Typical armchair intellectual. "Make things more difficult, it will make things more easy!!!"
That's because russia is near the top of the fucking world. The majority of the world does not suffer from that. And the mess ups are countries fucking with their own time not with the system. But people are stupid, I'm sure you can relate, and make things harder for themselves.
The concern isn't the time of sun set. It's the time of switching between Monday to Tuesday. It would happen in the middle of your "day". Currently people who have a normal schedule have their whole day be Tuesday. Now my "day" could be half Tuesday and half Wednesday. "What did you do at work on Wednesday?" Becomes a weird question, since they worked on Wednesday, slept, then came back and worked more on Wednesday.
Knowing where they are is not what I asked.
You would need to know the time there to make the adjustments you're talking about, or the diurnal difference in your case of no timezones.
You do not know the current time in sender, Beijing, New York, Paris, and Vancouver.
If you don't know the current times, you font know the time difference, hence cannot make the adjustment.
Your just upset you called yourself a fucking retard.
Why is story sitting you down and telling you exactly where you are. in a book that's more reasonable, but in film there's literally thousands of contexts clues you can pick up on
>what do the buildings look like?
>what language is being spoken?
>what do they dress like?
>what ethnicity is a mjority of the population?
>what's the climate like?
if a movie ever sat you down and said "this movie will now be taking place here and here and here," its just a bad movie in the first place
And I said how the fuck are we to know whether other countries are asleep or not? If they are at work? eating dinner? FFS, UT already exists, so technically it is the same time everywhere at the same time. The ONLY reason why you would have the same time everywhere is so you can coordinate things better. and guess what! UNIVERSAL TIME ALREADY EXISTS
The timezones set by political municipalities ARE the system you fucking idiot! Where have you got the idea that ANYWHERE in the world, any country follows the time in accordance to 24 globally-equal timezone sectors? Do you know what the timezones look like?! I reiterate:
Humans have days. They are based on sleep schedule. It's useful for those days to be able to have names, like Tuesday. People on the normal schedule can make use of these days. This is valuable. "Friday is casual day, you don't need to wear a suit to the office". This wouldn't make sense any more if it switched days in the middle of office hours.
You're legit retarded.
The clock times would be the same, but the diurnal cycles would be completely different.
12:00 doesn't mean anyone will be awake, or at work.
The guy I replied to said the solution is to calculate the difference in your head to know the relative time to you, which you can't do unless you know what the hourly difference is between the day/night cycle of your country/city and theirs.
You're so fucking stupid. If you don't have to calculate the solar time for a location, you'll end up performing the exact same calculation to find an approximate position of the sun for that location.
Having a timezone SYSTEM prevents us from having to perform calculations for the position of the sun every time we want our understanding of a location's time localized in reference to our own!