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I lost all of my money betting on the austrian election.
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>>1651644
who won? Hofer?
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what are good betting sites?
also results havent been told yet
hoffer is winning a lot of states right now
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>>1651659
Hofer conceded earlier today

I'm starting to think becoming rich is a meme and it's all down to luck.
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The stats say otherwise.

high net worth people all have similar characteristics.
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>>1651626
which are...
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>>1651623
It comes down to risk taking and money management.

You're already off to a bad start by thinking it all comes down to luck. Luck is bullshit. Stop listening to Chief Warren and thinking everything is unfair. Grow some balls.

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I've been thinking about the 2008 financial crisis and it got me wondering. People like to pin the blame on the banks for handing out sub-prime mortgages like candy.

But isn't the root cause of the issue due to people not paying back these loans on time thereby causing a lack of liquidity?

Basically, dead beat members of society couldn't pay back their loans is what caused it.

Am I wrong here?
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Yes. The lenders lied to the people about rates to put it simple. . . BRB lending someone I know can't pay back money for a home
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>>1651590
I see your point but it feels kind of one-sided to me. How are the people that accepted these loans any less to blame?
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>>1651605
Human are cattle, can't be trusted, there needed to be regulations.

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Hello.

I have recently read Intelligent Investor by Graham and some other books like Kiyosakis Rich Dad Poor Dad or The Idiot by Dostoyewski (and a few more from Annual /biz/ lit.).

I want to start INVESTING.

I have now broker account in ING bank and I can buy polish stock market stocks and few investing funds which are shit in general I think.

I can start buying ING BSK index fund S&P500 without dividents (reinvested). But... Here is the problem.

The taxation is: 5% for everything bought (like I buy something for 1000 I pay 50, I buy 100...
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>>1651546
>5% tax on anything bought
>1.9% tax on capital (?)
>1% to broker fees
>1.6% gone due to inflation
>1.9% expense ratio on ETF (yikes)
I don't see any money here.
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>>1651584
Wrong? No fees like 1% and second 1,9%. Only 1,9% from whole amount a money on account a year but capitapized daily.

Why no money? SP500 is awesome according to Graham ans can give me 10-20%!

Maybe I translated somethinf wrong, I am from Poland and english is my second lang.
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>>1651604
I tried looking up ING BSK index fund, it says it has an expense ratio of 1.9%, that is the cost of tracking the S&P. Something like VOO in America has an expense ratio of 0.05%.

S&P500 is definitely good, but you should estimate 8% a year. This calculator automatically reinvests dividends, and using stock symbol SPY or VOO you can see the annualized return.

https://dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator/

I say just come to America.

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>he isn't shorting ETH
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>shorting
Have fun going bankrupt when it pumps out of fucking nowhere

Anyone with a brain is all in on BTC.
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>>1651545
>Have fun going bankrupt when it pumps out of fucking nowhere

Except that won't happen.

With that said btc is probably going back to consolidation for a week or so, so it might be a good idea to wait for a retracement to 105/11 before shorting again.
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>>1651557
>what is FPO
>what is italy

kys

I want to learn computer programming, but im not sure if i should go to school for it, or learn it on my own.
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>>1651527
You aren't gonna make it. It's a meme and can only come true if you began coding since you're 8
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>>1651534
But a buddy of mine barely atarted back in 2010 and hes really good and makes good money.
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you can easily learn it from home, but it takes a lot of dedication and youll most likely get completely sick of it before you get anywhere

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What is the maximum percentage down payment you should put on a house?
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>>1651480
About 100%.

If you put more then 100% of the full price of the house, you are losing money.
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>>1651494
As much as you can if you can't find a way to make more than your interest rate with the rest if your money so meet else.

Don't even do it if you don't have enough to get around PMI.

(I put down 1/3 purchase price.)
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Unless your age, income, or other factors prohibit you, it's best to put as little down as possible without incurring penalties. (Assuming US-type fixed-rate mortgages).

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Your time to get in is running out.
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time to short. make a profit, and set up buy orders, and make a profit again during the bounce. easy money
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>>1651431
Bitcoin is illiquid as fuck. Takes me a week to bank transfer funds to even buy this shit.
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>>1651436

there is an usd exchange now: https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/173

Hi /biz/

I am a mechanical engineer (have a masters, a post graduation and a bachelors in renewable energy engineering) living in London, working as a project manager.

I'm not all that into engineering and think that there's a lot more money to be made in finance related jobs.

After applying for a few dozen jobs - and not getting any answers back - I'm thinking of doing some sort of masters in Finance that may, hopefully, open some doors.

I'm thinking of the following: http://www.lsbf.org.uk/programmes/postgraduate/finance/ma

Any...
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>>1651339
bumpity
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>>1651339
What about a consulting job? Maybe you can persuade your current employeer to finance you an MBA? Don't just apply to firms, talk to different HR departments about your plans.
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>>1651377
Not enough experience for consulting.

And I'm not really familiar on the way the financial industry is structured. All I know is folks in hedge funds seem to be making a boat load and I want some of it.

>red pill me on the £ industry

How far will ETH fall today?
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I have it up on my big screen and pretend I'm day trading
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>>1651414

damn dude you look like ETH fucked you hard
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What chances do we have of ETH rising again? Will there be an excellent opportunity to buy at the bottom of this decline, or will ETH hit rock bottom and never recover?

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>be me
>be fastfood wageslave
>saved $5000, for a whole year
>got memed into buying ETH from /biz/
>bought at 0.020, thinking it would increase
>price is now 0.10

How do i recover from this?
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Don't go all-in on something as speculative and volatile as crypto. Write it off as an expensive lesson, don't get desperate trying to make it back.
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>>1651317
try r9k
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>>1651325
>>1651310
>>1647600
>>1648508

Do you really have nothing better to do with your life than call out every /r9k/ related thread on biz?

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>tfw I'm not good at anything I do

How do I profit from this /biz/?
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>>1651306
you can try r9k
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kneepad
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>>1651306
Get good at something >>1651313 such as sucking dick you pathetic frogpsoster.

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hi /biz/,
/his/ here. im not really at home with economics, so here goes

i want to know about risks of buying european treasuries. if i were to buy a share of money market fund, comprised of portugese, italian and spanish t-bills, what would happen if euro goes the way of the dodo? if italy breaks with the euro and revives the lira, what would happen with their t-bills?

i have a share in the bond fund of a certain fund management company, where i can change my shares to whatever i want without paying any taxes, so i'm looking for a safe investment in the...
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>>1651296
>are money market funds safe
if you ask this, you have no idea of volatility.
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>>1651838
that's why i'm here.


when i look at the chart, i see it's been quite stable during the 2008 crisis. it's been rising for the last 10 years.

are things that different now?
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>>1651984
op here btw

I need help developing this: it's an insurance company that is actually free for people.
Insurance companies charge monthly fees, which eventually they return back to some people in case of property loss.

If I make an insurance company that is a non-profit company, but whose goal is to provide the same service, only that at the end of the year, it returns you whatever money, the insurance company hasn't spent, redistributing to people that have losses.

1) people damaging their property to "try to make money", will actually have to report...
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>>1651293
if you give all the money back to people that don't have claims their money isn't in the pool at all.

so we ignore people that didn't make claims, they didn't contribute because you refunded their payments.

what this means is if someone does make a claim, you've got to cover it. So they contribute $100 and you pay them back $100,000. Obviously this is a good deal for them, but you'll be out of business in a matter of days.
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>>1651299
if on the other hand we take the second route, then the people that didn't have claims suddenly have to pay for the ones that did.

which isn't really fair, I'd have to wonder why my insurance goes up when other people make claims.
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>>1651299
thanks for comment.
1) money is not given back "ALL". Also, we wouldn't be able to reimburse people the entire sum.
2) as well, we wouldn't be able to reimburse exactly what people say they lost. If you declare, a million in losses, and the fund is 300$. Then you would get 300$.
3) The argument that I suspect you're thinking is that if everyone burns their house, and all file simultaneously. 1) to this wouldn't make sense, because if all members of Aflack would file their houses...
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So I finally convinced my parents to stop pressuring me to move out by saying I'm saving to buy a boat because I want to start a charter service business. When in reality I just want to fish on my days off.

How realistic is it to make money off a charter service? I plan on buying a 22' boat. Do people really pay $200-400 a day to take them out fishing? What about a commercial fishing license?
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So after doing some research, people actually do pay for this and it's quite popular. Typical rates are $500-600 for a 8 hour trip. Summers would probably be busy every day.
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Consider maritime academy.
Cheap and easy where do you live?
Private ferries would be interesting but much higher capital cost
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>>1651518
Virginia Beach

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What would you do with $20,000?
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i will buy XDN for mad gains
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>>1651147
i would invest in btc and probably buy some alt coins since btc is going sideways for a while probably. ill probably stock up on XDN, XMR and ETC and DASH. XDN for sure because lots of people are accumulating according to the 1d chart.
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>>1651147
get gyno surgery

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I have $60, 000 to my name - thinking about going and putting it all on red. At present I can't even afford a house of my own despite earning 80k a year in this fucking country (20% deposit required, houses start at 400k+).

Any advice biz? What the fuck can I do?
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>>1651131
>At present I can't even afford a house of my own despite earning 80k a year in this fucking country (20% deposit required, houses start at 400k+).

wtf LOL
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>>1651133
because for mortgage they expect you to have a partner, who earns an income. I have been told by a broker that I will need to be earning closer to 100k for a single applicant.
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>20% deposit required, houses start at 400k+
Yawn

My plan is to get a job at Google in a few years.

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Congratulions, /biz/. Your great-uncle Bertram just died and left you with 1,000 acres of west Texas real estate. Property taxes are due soon. What do you do with the land?

Hard mode: you respect your uncle too much to sell the land outright.
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>>1651081
Pay the taxes then
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>>1651081
>1,000 acres of west Texas real estate.
pfft
what's that worth, $500?

probably stinks of landfills, sewage treatment plants, and feedlots. Smells like the inside of a butt.

Pay the taxes and turn it into a feedlot/landfill/sewage treatment plant.

maybe put up a liquor store and a high school if it's a dry county.
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>>1651153
there's literally nothing wrong with feedlots

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What's the quickest way to turn $25,000 into $175,000?
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>>1651033
use $25k as down payment for a rental property.
use profit from rents and equity to buy more real estate.
repeat until you make $175k.
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>>1651044
And hope the real estate market doesn't take a temporary drop and you lose it all.
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>>1651033
gambling

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Are breast implants the most monetarily beneficial investments a girl can make?
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Did Ivanka Trump have breast enhancement surgery?
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I'd say so. No other procedure raises a woman's stock like getting some big fake tits.

$5k spent, and their value skyrockets.
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>>1651023
only rumors nothing confirmed, if you google it apparently there's a lot of people who wrote articles claiming she must of had breast enhancement and rhinoplasty

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How do grocery stores manage to make any money when they have to throw away a lot of their inventory?
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>>1650998
EBT
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>>1650998

Because they buy at wholesale prices and mark up. Any produce item you can buy probably costs them pennies on the dollar for whatever they're selling it for.
You should know this.
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>>1650998
They sell more than they throwaway

/thread

You don't give money to broke people.
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>>1650989
that pic is nostalgic for me. i think in that episode chuckie's dad somehow gets rich but loses it all by the end. good times.

give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teach a man to fish, feed him for life.
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>>1650989
There's a reason they can't handle money, so why give them more?
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True.

Tokugawa Ieyasu described controlling Daimyo as unhooding a hawk then luring it back with meat so you can rehood it. That is how you control people, you control their means of action. That is why you give a homeless person a beefburger and socks instead of money or why you let a friend sleep in the garage and only let him inside to play smash brothers.

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Who else fell for the STEM meme here and is now reverting back?

Watched a few Neil DeGrasse Tyson videos, decided to change my major to physics.


Realize too dumb. Now changing it to political science.
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>>1650978
lmao that's the point

>get kids interested in physics
>they go to uni for physics
>pay thousands in tuition
>fail after one semester
>physics department keeps money
>uses half the money to buy new computers
>gives other half back to the black science man to start the cycle all over again
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Kys.
Improve the gene pool
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Holy shit
just because you watch the Spacenigger doesnt mean you are interested or talented in phyics or math

go with your shit major and if you are emotionally intelligent you can still make alot, but dont expect anyone from the stem fields to respect you if you literally tell them you are too dumb for calculus

>inb4 muh stem field muh superiority
>yes.

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ETH future predictions /thread
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It's going to remain one of the most prestigious universities in the world
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0
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ETH is DETH.. more glitches in the future. Buying this broken coin is a sure way to become poor

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You have ten seconds to explain why you haven't used your birth certificate to wipe out all of your debt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN2x746Bo-o
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>>1650903
I watched 5 minutes, reading the comments, I have no fucking clear what this is even about and I'll be fucked if I'm watching 20 more minutes of this trash
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>>1650912
>clicking it
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>>1650912
It's simple.
You are, as a human being, literally property of the state.
Your birth certificate is what makes you as a person, become, in legal terms, a corporation of one person.
Since your birth certificate is a contract signed by your parents under duress, you can use this fact to sue the state.

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Has anyone pulled a career reset in their mid-twenties or later?

I am currently a software engineer in a corporate job and I hate every second of it: the people, the culture, the work. I want to quit and move into a high-paying trade with the eventual goal of owning a business and working on my own terms.

Has anyone done it? Were you successful, or was it a huge blunder?
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>>1650894
I just quit fidelity to work as a navy nuke in the military. I'm 23. Corporate culture sucks balls, now I can be in a blue collar/engineer environment with white collar pay. We'll see if it was a good decision, but I'm gonna try to get F you money.
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>>1650894
become an elevator mechanic
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>>1650894

Yep. I've posted my story before.

College educated. I started working for a payroll company, at a cubicle. Pay was about $45k a year. I fucking hated it. Like nervous breakdown sadness and pain. Hated going, hated putting on a suit, HATED corporate culture and PC office talk, hated the fat bitch that always set the thermostat to 65, hated my boss, hated hearing that I wasn't meeting company standards, etc..

Anyway, I quit.

I started laying tile for a local guy, working my ass off...
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How can I escape from getting a wageslave after university? I'm very skilled with UI/UX design and also some web-dev. Some options I thought about:
>Finding a programmer and make some apps together and hope for success
>Try several kickstarter campaigns with app-concepts that people might like and hope for something getting funded so I can hire an programmer
>Get into game-dev and make hentai/furry games (that seems to go well in general)

Those are things I could do...
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Let's be honest, if you were actually talented at UX/UI instead of just "adequate" you'd have the right connections to not worry about it.
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>>1650887
I'm a bit apprehensive about working with people from 4chan; I tried that once before and the guy was a flaky loser with no talent or work ethic. Only respond if you are being honest about your skills and have the work ethic to actually pull through consistently.

I'm a fullstack JS dev (2.5 years of experience) in need of a go to UI guy for some personal projects (web applications, not apps). Do you have a throwaway email?
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>>1650887
Source of the image? I love M C Escher inspired stuff.

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Why doesn't Japan just print more money?
This is not a shitpost
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>>1650872
Maybe they don't want their currency to inflate?
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Why dont governments just print more money and not tell people?
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>>1650888
But printing currency may provide a semi-predictable bump to inflation so that they can get out of their deflationary zone. Every country would rather have inflation than deflation.

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"Nobody knows if a stock’s going up, down or fucking sideways, least of all stockbrokers."

Is this actually true? Have you ever "known" if your investment was going to go up or down? Or do you make educated guesses everytime and just hope for the best?
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I have a crystal ball that tells me the future.

git gud scrub... Also I inherited telepathy from my mum.
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>>1650856
bump
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>>1650856
"Back in the day"... brokers would buy stocks or options before they started buying large lots for clients. Can't do this anymore.

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Do you donate?
I never did until one day I bought a book through my local library affiliate link. Felt good. Today, I was very tempted to donate to Wikipedia.
I'm considering setting small amount of money aside for when I feel like donating/supporting something. What do you think of this idea? How much would you set aside? What do you think of donating in general?
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My family does it for tax exemptions. Income tax is too much so we donate a shit ton of furniture, old shoes, clothes and electronics. Just make sure you keep the receipt for proof.
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I donate to Buddhist groups.
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I gave 20 bucks to a bum on the street once. I wouldn't normally do that but I was impressed with this guy because he straight-up told me he was an alcoholic and wanted to buy a bottle.


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