International Relations >I want to work at an embassy for the diplomatic service. I'm definitely not really qualified for this position and I only memorize stuff for the essays and the tests without really understanding it. I'm barely knowledgeable about the subject matter, but bro I'm going to get to vacation like all of the time. Important responsibilities? Yeah I'll totally ace those bro! >I'm going to work at an embassy for the "diplomatic service". I'm extremely knowledgeable about my work, but the position I'll be assigned to will have vague duties and little to no official responsibility. I'm DEFINITELY not going into the intelligence field.
Technically, Economics major (with graduate degree) is the highest paying, but engineering has the highest average. Comp Sci, Petroleum Engineering, or any engineering degree are the only ones worth getting if you only plan to get an Undergrad degree. Everything else generally needs a graduate degree to become successful.
>tfw in my 3rd year of chemical engineering in australia >tfw most of my peers from high school are arts and business majors >tfw my field has the hardest starting pay >tfw I'm set for life because I choose STEM and didn't chicken out of a hard degree >tfw they'll probably get no jobs since over saturated fields
>>904948 what's chem e like? how interesting is it? I originally wanted to be an artist in highschool and freshman year of college but saw the bad road ahead and decided to take some stem classes. turned out to really enjoy and do well in calc 1 and 2, pyhsics and chemistry. would you recommend I go for chem e? I am currently planning for chem major but that seems to be pretty fucked
A: Go to work in the private sector for a company doing business internationally. Get paid to translate, be a liaison etc. Alternately you can always teach English to non-native speakers and get paid. B: Go to work for the military, segments of it love IR degrees. C: Go to work for the State Department doing diplomatic work. Place is packed with silver spoon sucking faggots, good luck getting in and then not killing anyone. D: Intelligence. But that's a whole other, often scary, world with some scary people in it.
I already am. My original IR major qualified me for a foreign area minor and an economics minor. My biochemistry and biomedical engineering majors explicitly bar me from chemistry and biology minors even though I qualify for them. In fact given all of the philosophy that I took I could probably minor in that too.
>>905055 this may sound cheesy but, i just like to draw stuff, i was also thinking that animation would be a great choice too, but unfortunately, arts and animation fields are over saturated by tumblr fags and people who animate with power point.
>>905052 I'm a kinesiologist, it's really easy to make money off idiots and no one ever think about studying in kinesiology. You only move people's muscles around, so get paid fairly enough considering what you're actually doing is nothing at all.
>>904948 Fellow Australian here. You don't have a clue about the engineering job market here if you think it's going to be easy. Go look on the whirlpool forums if you want to see how competitive graduate jobs in chemical engineering are.
>tfw law student >tfw german >tfw want to leave the country now Great, guess I will have to do some research regarding international banking law and try my best to snatch a job at a Swiss/New York law firm.
>>904984 It's a mixture of enjoyment (i.e. can I see myself doing this for a really long time, potentially the rest of my life) and feasibility (paycheck, effort required). You need a mix between the two.
I would say answer the first requirement, and then "compromise" from there based on the second one.
Say you like doing science, you might pick pure physics or astrophysics or something.
Do your research about the profession and your potential future. Then think about things like these (for this case):
>Will I be content potentially not making a lot of money?
>Will I put in the effort to stand out as a physicist and be top of the class throughout undergrad, grad, and however many postdocs so I can get a position as an actual physicist in the future?
If you answered anything but a definite yes to those last two, you compromise from there.
In engineering you still do physics but don't need a PhD, and make more money, too.
Chem and bio are easier if you still like science and want to go "all the way."
You can also double major and minor to keep your options open and target niches at the same time.
>>905057 >this may sound cheesy but, i just like to draw stuff Keep it up as a hobby while going to school for something that will pay you (and fuel your art supply). Seriously. Do you know how many famous artists, especially online, are just self-taught hobbyists? Art school is seemingly a "rich kid experience" these days.
Also, just saying, if you don't have talent, your school won't give it to you.
>>904252 Your degree doesnt determine what kind of job you will get in the future. Its what you do with your degree and your experience outside the degree. The degree is a stepping stone into the working world.
>>906703 It's sort of unrelated to economics. I work in fraud investigation for a big auto lender. It's an interesting job but I feel like I got jewed on the salary ($43k/yr). It's not necessarily a bad salary for straight out of college, but I think I could asked for more and probably would've gotten it.
Actuary is Mathematics AND Statistics, so in between God/Top Tier, but eventually getting to the God tier, depending on what you Minor in, or double Major in, or even what type of companies you work for. If you work for the normal insurance companies, then it's just Top Tier, but if you work for really unusual Actuary jobs, then it's God Tier.
Computer Science or Software Engineering at the University of Waterloo?
I really like Software Engineering more, since it deals with the product from the beginning till the end, and incorporates the user experience, but some people say CS pays more, but then some say SE pays WAY more...
Which one do you think pays more, straight out of undergrad?
I talked to one of the Admissions Officers today, and he told me exactly how to get into Waterloo for Math, or CS, or Software Eng
>Get an 85 in Advanced Functions and Calculus&Vectors
>70 in English is enough
>DO THE SUPPLEMENTARY AIF or you will be denied
>Get an 88% minimum in your top 6 courses, and you're GUARANTEED this year.
That's literally, so easy for me to get, I already have 3/6 done, and I'm just finishing off my English, and Adv. Functions + Calculus right now, so I might actually finish before December, and he said if I want I could apply for the January Admissions, and he said that requires the same average, but I'll get a spot much sooner (way early offer).
So, if I get accepted to CS or SE, you'd still recommend CS over SE?
>>904948 Look at the degrees of the 1000? richest people in the world. What percentage are STEM? What percentage bothered with a degree? I hate these threads they are irrelevant as fuck. Knowledge is power the more you have of it the better your understanding of the world and what makes it up holistically. There is no such thing as shitty knowledge. And you cucks wonder why you're not the chosen ones
>>904225 I think you people are seriously underestimating the usefulness of Finc/Econ/ gen business/ business database design
At my (public mind you) school, JPM runs an actual feeder program. They literally will nab you in jr year and let you ride out your college career getting fucking 30/hr as a god damn intern. (you have to work quite a bit though) and if you dont wash out you are guaranteed at least 75K starting. Not to mention that nearly any business that you're looking to get hired by is gonna have a division or some form of internal money management people. Be sure to take the technical courses, and try to have some analysis write ups for your job search portfolio. If your school has a good program, you should use it to pick up as many certs as you can (bloomberg certs seem very impressive but are actually a complete joke for example)
The big 4 acct firms also recruit, and thats an easy 50k straight out of school, with lots of room to move up or jump over. I would say that accounting is going to be a safe bet for graduates for about another 6-8 years or so, but they are at high risk for automation. Still, an accounting degree (with good gpa) proves that you are at the very least a competent individual
Econ has lots of versatility, and as long as you dont pussy out and get a BA, people know that you can do at least moderately tough calc and whatnot. Its a great option to pick up as a minor or double major
gen business is shit to major in, but it wouldnt be a bad minor, since the classes will be heavily teamwork and presentation oriented, and will get you primed for corporate work. not to mention the networking opportuninites, which is vitally important.
data base design is sought after as well. people want to see advanced excel. they will go wild for SQL. (GIS is a good idea too)
taking a business/technical writing course is essential. it can seriously set you apart and wil serve you all throughout your career
>>906771 typically true, but like I said they have an established feeder program with my alma mater. I wish I wasnt such a rebellious asshole who didnt want to work for 'the man' (its also something that you have to be gunning for from day 1.
But otherwise the big names make their rounds like they do at every school in the top 100. Sure they're only taking the top percentage (unless you're a pretty girl. not kidding) but they'll at least give you a shot and take your resume.
Obviously being a minority helps. I've got a brown friend who is set with JPM, since hes competent and adds to their quota.
I also know MANY pretty blonde girls who got jobs straight out of undergrad, and its pretty clear why.
all the pretty blonds in accounting got absolutely pounced on. Several of the 'go out literally every night' /5-year-plan/ mrs degree girls got highly paid do-nothing jobs strictly for their looks.
lots of fucking early childhood education majors siphoned money off of government grants to do 'research' such as 'the effect of dance on learning ability'
Yeah I was talking to a University rep today, and they said it's a good idea if I could double Major or Minor in something else, for example I'm thinking of doing Computer Science, or Software Engineering, or just Mathematics (Financial Math), and they said it would be a good idea to Minor or double Major in Business, or Economics, or even do two minors, or even a triple Major.
They said, do as much school as you can/want, because that's what's going to set you apart in the application file, the more qualifications you have, the better off you'll be when they sift through resumes. Writing "Triple Major - Mathematics (Mathematical Finance), Computer Science, and Business" will set you apart like nothing else.
But again, do you want to spend the extra 2-3 years, to make the next 50 years of your life extremely better? Definitely, but most people just won't do it, or give up.
I'm not crazy about a triple Major, but I'm thinking of doing a double Major, in Mathematics or Computer Science or Software Engineering, with Business or Economics, most likely Business though, since it looks like it makes more sense.
So since I'm brown, what if I changed genders, like Caitlyn Jenner, and used the "transgender story", will that get me hired in the next 4-5 years, because of how the US/Canada is moving towards "Gender fluidity"?
>>906793 >But again, do you want to spend the extra 2-3 years, to make the next 50 years of your life extremely better? Definitely, but most people just won't do it, or give up.
careful with this.
sure, lots of people treat college as a 4 year party (I was decently guilty of this) and end up not utilizing the full potential of the opportunity.
But there's also the other side of the coin. People who immerse themselves in academics, and end up either burning out or graduating with lots of titles but few memories.
By all means, get as educated as you can, but its worth it to realize that everything has an opportunity cost. A triple major of in-demand degrees is a great advantage, but you should be aware that degrees dont matter as much as undergrads are led to believe.
what I mean by that is; degrees are very important to someone starting his career. But they become progressively less relevant as you accumulate job experience and positions.
Not to mention that degrees are not the only thing that employers want to see. You will eventually be interviewed by a real human. And that person is going to be screening you on other factors as well. Personality, life style, 'well roundedness' Etc.
Basically, I would advise against triple majoring unless you are confident that you can still strike a balance. If your academic load is too high, it can impact your GPA, prevent you from participating in clubs (which is something employers want to see) and hinder you socially (which effects networking)
I only say all this because I bought into the utmost importance of academics too, but post graduation showed me that my GPA didnt matter nearly as much as I thought, and I (along with many others) ended up getting hired due to networking.
That being said, Math majors are the single most sought after. Definitely go math + a differentiatior
Hmm.. id say this is good and bad. First the bad: im a little confused because the courseload seems sparse for a 4 year degree.
Its worth mentioning that if you are interested in being a rocket scientist or something than this is NOT the program for you. Those guys are gonna want to see very heavy mathematics and physics work. Not to mention that a bachlors isnt going to cut it. If you really want to take that path, you need to go physics +math/ engineering. Which is out of my scope of knowledge.
I forgot to take into account that you are heading into college... the mistake that many freshman make is that they have been 'naturally gifted' (I was) or otherwise were smart kids in highschool, and they think that this will carry over to college. The thing to keep in mind is that youll be attending (presumably) the best school you get accepted into. Which means that you will no longer be above average. Every year, the Pre-med, Pre-law, Bio-chem, Investment management, Engineering, etc classes are packed to the fucking brim, and every year half those kids switch, fail or drop out, because they overestimated their abilities. Just be aware
It has a lot to offer. My schools Earth/ocean program was pretty good. Its a specific area so its often overlooked. I worked with the school on interdisciplinary research projects on the economics side. (I was the guy who ran the CBAs and told them their ideas weren't feasible) and I very much enjoyed it.
From what I see from a brief look at the home page, it looks like the most useful aspects would be
air quality/ atmospheric analysis ( perfect for an environmental role. air quality is becoming more and more of a mainstream corporate / public concern. envrio-business analysis and consulting is quite lucrative. also might lend itself to carbon credit fields. weather dynamics is interesting.
GIS! I cannot stress this enough. use everything in your power to get GIS certified through your school. its got tons of applications. fields from public policy, marketing, agriculture, energy (oil especially) everybody is looking for GIS right now. Combine a solid GIS background with some data presentation skills (native GIS can be confusing for non users) and you'll be very prepared for the job market.
The space stuff I dont have much experience in. but satellites are a safe bet I suppose. They threw some generic cool sounding classes (spaceship design??) but as I said before, your gonna need hardcore physics and engineering to do that.
You said before that you were considering math / comp sci/business.
Im biased in this due to my own education background, but I think there is lots of opportunity for synergy between the Earth/ocean/ atmosphere program and a math/compsci/ econ or related degree.
Math is obvious. comp sci is a great idea in that its perfect for simulations and data analytics /presentation of the EOA subjects. Econ and finance could be used in a similar way, economic modeling is something that gets overlooked by the hard science folks much of the time, but if it isnt economically feasible, then it isnt really feasible at all.
>>906923 You'd be surprised. You need geologists for things like geothermal heating systems as well. My uni got set back millions of dollars because they tried to skimp on geological consulting when constructing theirs.
yes but geothermal heating systems have probably been done for so many institutions you can just pick and choose from different existing plans and make a few MINOR changes for your place, and it'll be fine
so again, the salary is way down
It might be important, but if it just has 1 job (mining) that actually pays well, with like 100 jobs in the USA, then its fucking useless, unless you have previous connections and know/will know people in the industry that can get you a job
it seems like a heavily network dependent thing, even more dependent than getting a job at fucking Google
I'm sorry I just don't see it as a God tier degree, perhaps there's something else I'm missing?
>>906744 I'm happy for you, m8. There's a guy in my physics classes set on astro but he seems a bit naive and not nearly as bright as the engineers (never thought I'd say this but I go to a top 10 eng school) and I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him.
>>906769 >At my (public mind you) school Michigan? I'm there and I saw a JPM internship poster on display a couple weeks ago. Don't remember if they were taking math majors, but >doing math/physics >plan on grad school right after ugrad >sadly have to look past prestigious company internships for summer research at universities/nat'l labs instead I do want to pursue research though so my interest in finance/business is kind of half-assed anyway.
>>904225 Right before I started my 4th year of college, I realized how shit Psychology was and how more and more interested I became in Physics and Chemistry. I wish I had a huge reset button to eliminate all debt and GPA classes to get a practical degree. Alas, I am in debt $26,000 and haven't even graduated yet because of my lack of motivation to go on and actually finish a degree in Psychology.
>>909322 I feel for you, anon. >>909330 They've discussed this to death on /sci/ and physicsforums, the answer is that it's pretty limited in terms of actually doing what you studied during your major, apart from high school teaching. This isn't to say you're only gonna be stuck with shit jobs, but the odds really are against you, especially with the flood of engineers on the market. I really see them, especially physics, as "research foundation" degrees though, that you springboard off of for your eventual PhD. This is coming from someone that wants to pursue research, though. For anyone that doesn't aim for a PhD or high school teaching, the physics bachelor's won't really serve them well. They'd really be a lot better off in engineering, which in the U.S. is also a pretty prestigious career.
>>904982 Had a friend that was music major. Had to listen to her talk about college was fun and easy while im busting my ass in mechanical engineering. She's currently working as a driver for a funeral home, top kek. 4 years of tuition for nothing.
>>909947 Physics has benefitted me immensely as an entrepreneur and investor.
I've started 2 high-tech businesses so far (I'm 31) and because of my deep domain knowledge I've identified several valuable startups and invested in them before they blew up, leaving me with a nice piece of each pie.
Basically, it's never a bad idea to become highly educated in *the* field that forms the basis for all scientific and technological innovation. Also pretty much all physicists can find work as engineers, but not the other way around. In addition, physicists can also find work in the financial sector thanks to our superior analytical skills. Finally, physics is not as saturated as engineering is so there's actually some good jobs left.
>>906728 >implying you need a business major to do business related work
Business majors in general and admin. Is just a big knowledge guide. Our whole course can be pirated and anyone with a good savings account can accomplish what took us years to study for within half the time. Stop being an asshat, I make only 70k annual and I wish I went into computer science instead of receiving phone calls from mr. Olsen at 4am in the morning telling me that he had a bad dream that that products<services
You guys do understand that you can work for the state department? Its filled with silver spoon kids who come from the Ivy's. The department is desperate for people outside of this group, because these silver spoon kids are mostly idiots. Also if you're a minority then it helps for the department image. The test is the most random test you'll take in your life. The interviews have no set amount of people needed for hte next round. Everyone can pass if you work together. If you're trying to break into the families of elites this is the place you want to do it. Its filled with the kids of the 0.5% and above. Best benefits and mandatory leave to the US once a year. You developed business and military contacts. This board wants power and this job provides it for you and so many people don't know about this job. Its a standard office job but it has its perks.
Put Law (in the US) into Shit Tier because of the ridiculous risk youre taking and put Law (in Switzerland and Germany) into God Tier because of the ridiculously high salaries combined with the non existing risk youre taking thanks to the european social system.
>>904252 >nursing >dumb girls Fuck you buddy, somebody's gotta change your bedpan and set your catheter when you're old and decrepid or have an horrible accident. Even if nurses start out as dumb girls they harden the fuck up real quick. They see shit nobody else does and get paid a fraction of what the guy that runs around with a notepad handing out prescriptions gets.
You can piss off your doctor. You can piss off your lawyer. You can piss off your accountant. Don't ever, ever piss off your nurse.
Mining Engineer-In-Training here, graduated last November.
No jobs out there in mining as far as I can see (Teck hit fucking 5.90 2 days ago - what is this, 2009 all over again?), so I've been working as a Civil EIT. The money is okay and I've been able to pick up some marketable skills, but the work is just too damn cookie cutter.
>tfw you miss working in operations >tfw your career isn't progressing like you want it to >tfw your boss thinks you've got a better analytical mindset and better report-writing abilities than Civil grads do, but you just want to work towards becoming a mine manager
21 year old college student that fell for the university meme here. Gonna minor in accounting and graduate soon. Right now I'm working at Sears, what should I be doing instead of working retail. Obviously anything but where do I look for internships and such
>>911586 Talk to accounting firms, be persistent in pursuing work with them?
You're a student, so they wouldn't be looking for a skilled worker - they're looking for somebody that they can mold into one of their own, and who'll be graduating with the credentials that they're looking for.
Go up to their front desk and drop off a business card that has a link to your LinkedIn profile, try to set up an informational interview with somebody in a management position, get to know the company and the business like that. If something opens up you'll be the first guy on their mind. Stay in contact as much as you can.
That generally works in the engineering world - it might work in your field, too. Getting work experience while you're still a student is key- I wish somebody had told me that back then.
I majored in math and work 9-5 making enough bank to subsidise whatever I want to do with the rest of my day. My arts major buddies are working multiple part time jobs and barely have time to make art.
If you dont get into a god tier performing arts school then just find a career where you can make decent money without ridiculous hours and let that fund your performances
Minors in comp sci, finance, or econ open up some of the oddball roles that drift into god tier (investment risk consulting actuaries are going to be huge and already make bank), but you have to leave time to finish at least 2 of the first 4 exams.
And being white is a huge plus in actuarial science, especially consultant subdivisions, because the field is saturated with indians and chinese who are math geniuses but cant communicate
>>912453 Alright, I'm gonna start a company manufacturing X.
I need scientists, engineers, finance, facilities, HR, management, legal, IT. What good is a philosophy major to me? They have no real worth outside of the educational system. Get your teaching certs and you could probably land an alright position.
Not saying philosophy is a waste of time, but it's not useful from a business perspective.
Case in point: Shift manager at my local chipotle has a degree in psychology.
>>910629 CS can be learned 100% online too and infact thats pretty much what the university does: upload shit for you to do and then you write exams about it. And CS is even the most welcoming industry for autodidacts.
>large family business >father is one of the directors there >massive take over attempt by competitor >was unsuccessful, but scared my father since no one on the board had any legal experience and had to spend a fortune on lawyers >forced me to take up law so I would get into corporate law so when I joined the board I would be useful
I understand why he did it, but im still not happy doing law. The people who do law are so arrogant.
Anything besides maths, physics, computer science and engineering is not good.
These four majors especially maths and engineering provide you with the technical knowledge to work in any field you want.
Can an accountant become a programmer? No. A physicist, engineer or mathematician can. Can an engineer or mathematician work as an accountant? Of course.
Most jobs involve problem solving and STEM graduates are the best problem solvers. It makes no sense to major in anything else major. Add in the fact that the job market for humanities and business majors is horrible I think it'd best to get some useful skills/knowledge under your belt.
>>914378 >95% of physics concepts are invented by philosophers not only is that bullshit, but concepts are worth less than dogshit without rigorous proof, and that's something that philosophers are unable to provide.
>>914353 >Can an engineer or mathematician work as an accountant? Of course. Not really. They're obviously smart enough to learn, but accounting is totally different. Critical thinking is only part of the job, you need to know how businesses work and what principles need to be followed.
>>914353 not really. yes they are useful skills, but if you wanted to work in 'high finance', management consultant, or some other highly desirable field, you're better off not doing one of those fields. they're so demanding that they'll prevent you from doing what really matters; demonstrating leadership and team skills. if you do something like finance/commerce you'll have all the time in the world to be involved with student politics, get important positions with relevant clubs, etc.
even if you do get into something non-tech related, you'll have to work hard to prevent being seen as the 'numbers guy'. it's hard to move up the ladder when you're stuck behind a spreadsheet.
also, you cannot just 'work as an accountant' without qualifications.
>>914394 in fact modern physics has made whole branches of philosophy redundant... philosophers can't even begin to argue about certain areas these days as they don't have sufficient grounding in physics to understand
Seriously want the secret to making a ton of money as soon as possible? Well here it is folks. Learn a fucking trade especially anything Precision Machining. If you can operate a CNC lathe or mill move to the rust belt and pretty much name your price. It is instant money and isn't even hard.
>>914569 >Learn a fucking trade Seriously the best troll /biz/ ever came up with, and perhaps one of the finest trolls on all of 4chan. It's even better than /fit/'s legendary SS+GOMAD troll, because while the latter will only make you fat for a few months until you realise you've been duped, the "learn a trade" troll will literally ruin your fucking life.
It's such a deliciously brutal troll, I fucking love it
>>914576 Learning a trade is one of the best things you can do in America. There aren't a lot of young people going into those fields. They pay better than the average college graduate. Take elevator repairman/installers. They make 80k a year.
>>914576 Look if you want to stay in the finance is king bulls hit circle jerk that's fine. Just know there are jobs starting at $20 an hour and more in trades. A 2 year degree if that and you can start making good money thay you can save most of then after a couple years easily start your own business.
>>914589 >He cares what other people think of him HAHAHAHAH. Stay pleb, faggot. Also your girl will like you for who you are and if you're giving her the old lickaroo every night, then she's content with you.
>>914605 I'm not saying do it for life. Do it while you work on building your own company or getting a better degree. Trade jobs are the best starting jobs to get money to move into something else. Plus CNC and Industrial Robotics are barely physical labor and a lot of places have pretty sweet benefits.
>>914589 >who respects an elevator repairman A building manager with a broken elevator for starters. People can respect skills regardless of what they are. His day job may be repairing elevators, but he's probably handy as fuck at home and women love that shit. People respect hard working tradesmen, at least where I'm from anyway.
You need to be able to theorize something and then prove it to begin with, and you immediatelly jump at the proof element. Also what's Popper's falsicability criteria? You clearly do not know and that's why you suck. Occluded minded that's typical of engineers. Correct me if I'm wrong... lol.
>>914690 >what's quantum mechanics? something you haven't got the slightest clue about. even non-physical/idealized examples are mathematically sound in quantum mechanics. that's why a particle in an infinite well is always the first thing taught when introducing the concept of energy quantization.
not that i would expect a retard whose knowledge of quantum mechanics is derived from tv shows to know that.
>>914758 Actually its more like: Ivy League undergrad or equivalent top school Harvard Business School or equivalent top school Your major only matters if you school cant offer you anything else, except what your degree says.
>>914589 El oh el. My uncle does that and he's got it made. Nice house, great wife, 3 kids. Since he's actually willing to work and good at his job, he makes crazy overtime and special pay covering important events, even though he doesn't actually work that much more than 40 hours/week.
>>906756 this guy gets it. The reality is that top 1000 richest can have some non-traditional education as well (mentors, tutors, business partners, experiments they ran themselves) which won't show up, but is what helps them keep on top. If you're starting from the bottom or the middle, a degree is very important. Don't just do the bare fucking minimum though. Got time? Go to the library and pick a book.
>>914795 Or, you know, you could just browse the web. In the modern world theres no reason for you to not be informed or knowledgeable in a vast amount of fields. You can accumulate so much information and knowledge simply by cross boarding this shitty website its almost unreal. Simply double check facts and come up with your own conclusions, do research on certain topics etc. Learn to critically approach topics and problems, a skill very, very few people still possess.
We have unlimited knowledge at our fingertips yet most people are stuck on social media spamming emojis.
>>904948 Chem guy here, yeah a BS in chem is pretty comfy, but don't expect to make >50k out the door. I worked at a chemical plant as a QC tech with a poly sci major making 33k. It sucked and max I think I could pull from that company working for >5 years is maybe 60k as senior analyst.
>>904252 >3 aunts who are nurses >cousin who is a nurse >younger cousin had uni payed for before graduating HS because they needed nurses so bad >all of them have infinite job security making $60k+ in the midwest where a 2000sqft house on 14 acres barely costs $100k
I need to decide which Graduate degree to pursue. There are basically 3 options.
I got a B.Sc. in Business Information Systems (like 40% Business, 60% Computer Science) and interned as business analyst at one of the biggest companies in Europe and my GPA is literally the best one this school has seen in years, almost perfect.
My options are A) specializing as a Data Warehouse Specialist which would enable me to do all kinds of database related work from setting them up to administration to doing analytics. As I understand it people like this are in high demand but there aren't many jobs at the same time.
B) specialization as a software engineer, I guess that needs no explanation
c) specialization as IT manager, like consulting companies on their IT infrastructure and managing software projects
>>915105 Honestly I would go with the Data Warehouse Specialist. It's only going to become more in demand as time goes on, it relates to your degree the most, and it gives you a diverse skill set. Doing things like the IT manager could potentially be learned on the job. In fact I would assume you would do things like it as you move farther along your career. And I would disregard software engineering, since that tends to be a very different field than the other two options.
>>904225 I'm hoping to transfer to A&M's Business school, but most likely I will change to Agribusiness. Is Agribusiness a fairly good choice? How different is it to regular Business (Studies, Jobs, etc.)?
I'm a first year Maths undergrad (UK), I'm looking to not end up like some of the failures you see on /biz/. I'm doing my best to make my CV as appealing as possible, and I'm reading as many documents and shit as I can and basically doing everything in my power to make myself employable.
Ideally, I'd like to get into research, but I know that's unlikely, that leaves me with two other realistic options (well, unless I've filtered out something, shit like IT looks shit), finance or engineering.
Engineering's probably not for me, but I suppose it holds my interest as a backup.
Now for the part /biz/ gives a shit about, to be even remotely employable in finance, you need commercial awareness - I lack this, how do I get it?
Naturally, I intend to lurk /biz/ although I was surprised to see the lack of a sticky, any good advice or Pastebins?
>>904271 Same got a BS in biological sciences. Worked at a Large Pharmaceutical company doing Quality Assurance. They paid me $13.50/hr. FML Bio degree without doing a PHD/Masters, or going the premed or prepharm or even Medical Lab tech is Beyond Shit tier. Can have an associates in bio and get paid the same as a lab tech or research assistant.
>>916067 >I don't know how internships work in the UK, but get an internship. It's vital for a business major and helps to make you stand out from others. That's the plan (once I'm done with all of these documents, I'll be off to the careers service), but like I said, I really need commercial awareness, although I could build that during the internship... sounds good.
>>904948 >since over saturated fields Honestly, what fields aren't over saturated these days?
I don't even mean that as a joke, I'm struggling to name a single field that isn't over saturated (teaching, maybe?). It's half the reason that I'm currently a maths undergrad (it's a versatile enough degree that if I can't get into research then I can try finance and if that fails then I could do engineering or if all else fails teaching... or at least, I HOPE it's that versatile).
Engineering or finance. Pick one, be as specific or as general as you want.
I'm asking because when I've finished my maths degree (I'm only a first year now, UK), I'll have a good shot at both, but I'm unsure which one to go for. I've been convinced that finance is pretty fucking good and I'll be looking for an internship, but I've yet to really see much for or against engineering, although I suspect it is oversaturated. Thoughts?
I was an English major. Took me about a year after graduation doing temp work to find a contract job as a tech writer. Now I'm at another place doing the same thing. I was one of the lucky ones. Most of the people I knew in school work retail and probably will for life.
If I can ever afford to have kids I'm not letting them anywhere near a liberal arts degree. Trade schools have better prospects.
>>911631 Actuaries are oversaturated right now, which is why the exams are so damn difficult. It's basically like a guild from the 1500's (like doctors)--they keep supply really low so they can jack up prices (in this case salary) of all the actuaries.
One of the smartest people I know (math major, could legitimately be a math professor right now if he wanted to) is struggling with the actuarial exams. It's not easy, and you have to really love the job to put yourself through the rigors of studying for the exams.
These rankings aren't really that useful on their own, and they're usually just meme based.
For example, accounting is in great tier but I doubt anyone here actually knows what you do with this major. You probably think "audit" or "tax" if you're somewhat business aware, but you probably don't know that the biggest growing department at the big 4 is consulting, they also pay more.
Also, the charts tell you nothing about workloads. Even within accounting, audit is busy as fuck during the first 4-5 months of the year, but you basically get paid to do fuck all for the rest of the year. I watched anime on my tablet while replacing some old templates with new ones yesterday on autopilot. Tax also has a busy season, but they're also pretty busy all year round. Personally not for me. Consulting has the least workload (as in you go home at 5) but you get spikes of mini-busy seasons when implementation dates are nearing. Then again, despite being the cushiest highest paying job, consulting is also the position that gets shafted hard when the economy tanks. Audit and Tax people don't really have to worry about their job security too much. All 3 have pretty decent exit opportunities as /biz/ memes will tell you.
I'm not saying that everyone should go out and get an engineering degree or other "safe" major, but the 1000 richest people in the world are on that list for reasons that have nothing to do with their degree (or lack thereof).
>>918874 I don't know anything about actuaries. >>918980 What, so like an AP, AR, Payroll person? You'll probably make an alright wage, but you're not going to have much of "then some" unless you get lucky. You usually want some public experience unless you get into a company known for training their people very well like GE. >>919775 I don't know much about tax, but Audit requires you to talk to clients. You can't be a total sperg in front of the CFO, and you need to be presentable.
>>909969 >Also pretty much all physicists can find work as engineers Please don't rely on this assumption. I know a guy who majored in physics, but then couldn't find any work whatsoever after he graduated. His wife left him with the children and they were all living out of a car for a few years and not able to afford food. Finally he was lucky enough to land an engineering job, but he still makes less than everyone else at the company because he doesn't have the relevant knowledge and can't do much besides write the C# code that drives the industrial robots they design there.
> Orchestral conductor, brass instrument specialist (meaning I play most of them). Haven't even finished my studies. > Been working as a musician since I was 14 > Tfw I make the equivalent of 2500 dollars a month (it's a lot of money in this south American shithole).
Don't scorn the arts, and philosophy and history and such. They are overcrowded, sure, but most of that crowd is made up of idiots who have no idea what they have to do or even what they want to do. Academic ("classical", as the plebs call them) musicians can live relatively well, even if they aren't at the top. Too many kids wanting to be rockstars, and a lot of shitty violinists who aren't aware of how much you truly have to study and how great you have to be to actually make it.
It's pretty easy if you know your shit, and actually research the field and have the skills to make it BEFORE you decide to go for it. Most people in arts are just kids going through a phase. It's hilarious to see them as adults when that phase doesn't end; fucking disgusting failures and pop musicians.
>>922205 In Engineering, math is just a tool. Going into engineering because you studied math is like getting a job as a surgeon because you know a lot about scalpels, and there's actually not much overlap with math and physics majors after the first few introductory classes. Using mechanical engineering as an example, since that's the branch I'm most familiar with, most of what we learn is pretty domain-specific knowledge like materials science, thermodynamics, finite element analysis, fluid mechanics, heat transfer, etc. Sure, you may be able to operate mathematical machinery, but you have no idea how the physical world works.
When I think about it, the only fields of engineering that I could get into are civil or mechanical, all the others would require knowledge that my degree doesn't give me (e.g. how the fuck would I do electrical or chemical?).
Now this thread has mentioned a lot that engineering is oversaturated, but I want proof. Show me a source that points to civil and/or mechanical engineering being oversaturated in the UK.
Do this and you will genuinely change my life, I'm stuck between engineering and finance, and doing this will put me into finance.
Any opinions on computer engineering/electrical and computer engineering on the east coast ?(NY/NJ) Both Rutgers Engineering and NJIT seem good but are there any applications for it on the east? Should I just go to ME/CS?
>>904225 I'm going to have to link to /sci/, but I think I've just poked a hole in the maths/pure science degrees and any arguments against engineering degrees, namely, I believe that I've shown that engineering is not as oversaturated as /biz/ claims and also that maths/pure science students have no a very low chance of getting jobs in engineering.
Here's the posts >>7584867 >>7584871 Poke a hole in this argument and I'll reconsider engineering as a career choice - in short, you'll change my life, otherwise, just read the posts and copypasta them whenever you need to talk about saturation or shit on maths undergrads.
>>923081 tbh social didn't really interest me. It was pretty much the history of civilizations and such. I focused most on the archaeology/osteology since that's what benefitted my geo degree the most. IF anything the name of the uni will benefit you more than the degree itself
>All this people choosing a career based on the salary and employment rates
I work in a CS company and make an above average salary even though I'm not already 21 and I hate every second of it. Most CompSci people are autistic, opinionated and disgusting human beings who should be put down.
I can't bring myself to study CompSci anymore. I rather be poor than to spend more time with any of these people.
>>923193 >jobs that wouldn't involve interacting with other people. This is a lie. Doesn't matter if you're a researcher, developer, librarian, accountant, hacker, plumber, artist, forester, Bear Grylls...you are ALWAYS going to interact with someone when you work a job. Jobs differ in terms of WHO you're working with, (clients, coworkers, bosses, customers, etc) but at the end of the day, if you don't have passable communication skills, you're fucked.
oh right, I'm going for the lse course so yeah providing i get in I assume the name holds enough weight alone, but the course there is specifically the only course I'd like to do. My science is too shit to consider biological anthro so yeah
>>922305 I'm pretty sure there are links on the Travel board sticky that recommend ways of doing just that. I haven't actually taken a good look at them mind you, but I mean, there's a board...for that...you know?
I know a philosophy major making 150k. He is 43 and working in business intelligence. It's true that philosophy majors are smart; they tend to rape the LSATs. But it isn't a good major in 2015. The economy we ("we" referring to people who are currently college-aged) inherited is absolute shit and you can't get away with a philosophy degree in the same way people who entered the workforce in 1990 did.
You can make huge money in political science these days, intern on some campaigns, take initiative and make yourself invaluable and before you know it you're getting hired by some PAC or political campaign that is throwing millions in any direction that gets them votes with a 6 figure salary.
The amount spent on elections each year has been steadily rising for years consistently where as kinsiology (something you have in mid tier) you have a wide variety of work, anything from physical therapist to...physical therapist! wow you can make nearly 40k a year! Go really big and you can be a PE teacher or even a gym personal trainer! wow such limitless potential.
Can you succeed as an engineering major if you go to a shit shool? I go to a rural school in MD that only offers Calc 1 for math with a teacher who barely knows the material. I want to go for electrical engineering but dont know if it will be impossible based on math and science at my school now. Also what is the job outlook and the earning potential?
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