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Tumblr does a con. It's going as well as anyone could hope.
>Con organisers ask for $17000 dollars in an hour otherwise the con will be shut down because "upper management doesn’t like the people at the con"
>turns out Dashcon didn't read the contract properly and it said payment due on day one
>Saying they'll refund donations once money's in from walk-ins
>Main draws of the convention, Welcome to Night Vale, walk after not being paid
>Anyone who forked out for extra-cost reserved seating for the event gets an extra hour with the ball pit
>an extra hour in a tiny, timed-entry, homestuck-paint-filled kiddie pool with some plastic balls in a giant empty room
>there's a bouncy house too
>Time Crash (who they?) concert and BDSM 101 panels later
>THE BALLPIT deflates
>Webcomic artist flees.
>No one on tumblr knows what dashcon is.
>We are waiting for someone to die or be eaten.
>Murder? Suicide? BDSM Gone-Oh-Wrong? Place your bets, kids.
So, the Bakerstreet Babes pulled out, which are a "big" thing in the Sherlock fandom and the artist Gingerhaze got the hell out. Holy shite.
Still catching up on thread #4, did the ballpit really deflate?
Whoever is writing the ED article, here's some stuff to include. 1/3-4ish.
>No one on tumblr knows what dashcon is.
Assuming this is poorly worded sarcasm because every 5th post on my dash is a ballpit macro.
I'm really fucking tired of it all tbh because the smug posts are now /almost/ as grating and repetitive and annoying as the cries for donation and stuff were yesterday. Like it feels as though segment A of tumblr is very self-satisfied about not being quite as pathetic as segment B of tumblr and it's so fucking annoying. I kind of just want to not acknowledge this thing's existence anymore (blacklisting "dashcon", "dash con", "tumblrcon" etc hasn't even worked, it's everywhere)
https://twitter.com/Gingerhazing, you may have to scroll down a bit to get to the tweets where she talks about it, but most of her recent stuff is retweets about the con as well, so yeah
Nah anon I'm not complaining there's a thread where I can read entertaining drama, I'm complaining about this specifically:
>segment A of tumblr is very self-satisfied about not being quite as pathetic as segment B of tumblr
Someone in the last thead was saying there was anger towards the WTNV guys for pulling out right? Maybe that was just the early reactions or whatever bc I'm seeing 99% overwhelming support and staff mocking and a few halfhearted "i wish they hadn't done that" floating around
In fact it seems like by slighting the universally beloved Night Vale people the event organizers dealt the last blow to any remaining shreds of goodwill people might have had to them.
kinda been zoning out on this thread a little, hope no one brought this up yet if so sorry
"Very important note: the prizes for the "consolation" raffle are the prizes that were supposed to be given to the IndieGoGo donors. The pics & autographs were going to go to people who donated at different levels. Clearly that didn't happen."
I don't know anything about the IndieGoGo deal. Can you elaborate? They made some modifications to the filing as you can see in the first image, I'll just put them up here for easy access.
Putting #wtnv in the search bar shows that four or five of the dozen or so most quickly rising posts rn are text posts mocking or criticizing the organizers for what happened and a few more are neutrally remarking on it
Can you cap one of the ones you mean? I kind of really want to see what bullshit entitled reasoning people are using if they say otherwise
I'm not quite sure myself. In order to conduct business as a pass-through entity in nearly any state, you must register with that state. A limited liability partnership is a pass-through organization because profits "pass through" the organization itself to the partners. Because they failed to file in Illinois, they're operating illegally within the state and are subject to taxation and potential fines.
Are you guys only following jfashion and lolita or cosplay blogs? I'm seeing mocking and macros pretty often same as anon but i follow no Superwholock blogs or similar, rather, i follow a lot of personal blogs with some interest in fandom or anime. quite a few of them just heard about it today through the ballpit photo with 30k notes and started making snarky posts
I legit feel bad for some of the most naive people. A friend of mine got a table at the artist alley, and she was so hoping to sell some shit. She doesn't believe in tumblr being awful, I don't even feel good thinking I FUCKING TOLD YOU A CON OF TUMBLR WOULD ONLY IMPLODE ON ITSELF
i've been scouring the tag for an hour now and the most i've seen about it is some girl claiming they were checking IDs at the door but she didn't even try to get in so i trust nothing she says.
i'm also hella curious about what happened inside the actual panel, if it was real actual useful content or if it was all 50 Shades shit.
Oh god. When the volunteers start thinking its a joke, its much worse then it was initially feared. Please elaborate on what has been going on. Oh and if you could post proof that would be cool
This can't be true. Remember the transtrenders are crying that to be real they need to go through with surgery. Ergo none of the "guys" there have the means to reproduce.
Unless they coaxed the guy Jack Frost into it
Literally the only person I know at the con is someone in their AA and I feel so bad for them with the low attendance and all hope our friends sell enough to make the trip worthwhile
I mean, that's kind of an excuse, even a convention attended by a tumblrtard crowd didn't have to turn out like this. Let's not forget this is pretty much singlehandedly the fault of the dumbshit organizers.
I feel really bad for a lot of the con attendees. Even if it was looking shady from day 1, I bet a lot of them were just looking to meet like-minded people and maybe the WTNV guys or an artist they liked. Now they're going to be forever branded with the memory of this clusterfuck...
>Because they failed to file in Illinois, they're operating illegally within the state
So, they're now potentially facing legal action from WTNV and other guests, the vendors, Joss Whedon, Guillermo Del Toro, concerned parents AND the state of Illinois.
I really hope someone stops by tomorrow and brings those poor kids something nice. I realize the idea of the convention was pretty dumb, but it's just depressing seeing how shitty and garbage this con turned out.
Shit, this really brings back church camp memories. "I heard someone conceived while doing heroin in Satan's Shack last night!"
I can't tell if they are being facetious or they really are just a stupid teenager, like the church camp crowd.
All fandom blogs, though no SuperWhoLock or anything widely popular except Free! and DC Comics. I've already unfollowed anyone who posts a lot of SJW or personal boohoo though. I've not gotten a single Dashcon mention so far.
This is where I would put my ballpit
IF I STILL HAD ONE
i still can't get over the "BDSM 101" panel like what did they cover and was it as hilariously misinformed as i'm guessing it was
what the fuck do you teach at an intro to BDSM class like. what
I got dragged to a Fetlife meetup and it turned into a BDSM 101.
They taught people how to safely do basic rope work/tying up (they tied up peoples arms in different positions) and then discussed the different types of safewords. Honestly a great intro into BDSM.
I have a feeling the panel was just scanning through fanfic and going "THIS IS WRONG BECAUSE REASONS" and no demonstration.
I think you're a little confused.
It might be different for an LLP in Ohio than an LLC in other states, but in general you have to file your company in the state the owner has residency in, if there is no office. So if the owner lived in ohio, the company is formed in ohio.
pass-through entities aren't used for businesses simply because the owners get paid. It's more about dealing with state corporation taxes.
Of which virtually no first year con ever qualifies because most states have a required revenue stream much, much higher than a first year gets (in Ohio, it's 150,000)
But even on top of that, operating a company as a pass through has it's income reported on your personal taxes, not separate business taxes.
They DO need to register their business in Illinois, because Illinois has special "out of state LLC registration" filing (500 dollar fee) but A) do we know they didn't file that? and B) it doesn't mean they are subject to taxes outside of sales tax, because like in Ohio, they'll be filing on their own personal income taxes, aside from the 1.5% they'll pay for the ppr tax
IF they even TAKE a profit. If they don't make money, i.e. if they're in the red, then none of that matters.
Also "co-owners" don't mean anything if they aren't listed as the legal owners.
I follow only a few j-fashion ones. Mostly, I follow lit, travel and history, and many personal blogs. 583 in total, an even searching through my whole dash, nothing about dashcon shows up. And no sjw-related content ever comes up either. Honestly, just start following better people.
Mostly useless post-grads/Uni students in their 20s, the 'head' of the con is a 32 year old interior decorator with no future and the head lolcow of the staff is a 17 year old girl who seems to be taking a lot of the credit for shit/seems to be begged as head staff.
>in general you have to file your company in the state the owner has residency in, if there is no office. So if the owner lived in ohio, the company is formed in ohio.
That's not necessarily true. One of the oldest tricks in the book is filing your LLC in this one state where it's free to do so, I forget which one but I think it's Michigan. My BF has an LLC and I have also looked into creating one. It's just more convenient for certain reasons if it's in your home state.
Apparently, they did not file as an out-of-state LLC.
Even then, they can get sued out the ass by so many parties that it doesn't even matter.
It's always interesting to me how different boards handle things. I'm glad the janitors are leaving them up here, as much as you guys bitch about the janitors they do have some sense.
Which is a little shit to me, given that several of them are running this thing and all the rest of them are 18+. Why give this 17 year old any power at all? Just to be a scapegoat? That's pretty fucking horrible. The other people running this need to be held accountable, unless she's the man behind the curtain but I don't know if that's true.
I think you're a little presumptuous.
I never said they were not required to file in Ohio. You're reiterating exactly what I stated. We know for a fact that they did not file in Illinois under either name, and this was supposedly entered into as a for-profit venture.
If she survives this she should do a shoot with the similarly un-ID'd female Kevin whose pictures from katsu were floating around
Yeah, it's no so much about theme as about the actual people. You can tell a crazy snowflake from their description. Or from the moment you enter their blogs and music is on auto-play.
The cost of filing that you have an out of state LLC in Illinois is 500 dollars, which is the cost of registering your LLC in Illinois (thought that's after you've registered the name, which costs 300 on it's own)
Illinois is a horrible state to do business in, it's true.
The AA generals are probably too unoffensive to report, but I always figured the plans threads got by because people discuss their actual cosplay and lolita plans. I've never thought of /cgl/ as /con/ but I guess it effectively is. I thought some other board was theoretically supposed to handle that, but I don't really know.
Dashcon staff here <--- There's my badge.
> fuck i'm not even a teenager anymore and i still can't do anything right fffff
This whole mess is making me vaguely uncomfortable (I mean, more than it otherwise would) because I really can't do anything right and this is what happens when I try to accomplish things. This is exactly how it'd turn out if I ever tried to start a con.
I'm not into furries but they are really not all that bad at all. I just think it's ridiculous /a/ gets mad at tumblr filenames occasionally. But I guess every board has its shitposting. I like /a/ in general
Considering tumblr's absolute shit taste in anime and their "fandom" attitude, I'm not really blaming them for being paranoid about that. But we're also a board of autists, so I guess that's also part of the deal.
the site they linked to does not seem to list out of state businesses, only registered LLCs
to operate in illinois, you don't need to file a seperate LLC filing, you need to file a special "doing business in illinois" type filing.
It wouldn't be in this list unless they also had an illinois office.
The problem of having a teenager or tumblr loners operating this thing is that they probably were never in a club, sports team, or other school organization. Therefore, never had to deal with the shit that is student organization training. If they were in an anime club, they would at least know copyright issues of showing stuff at a club event (although I know a few of my friends just do it anyways, but they know it's not legit)
at first i thought "wow its so shitty, they might just be fucking with us" but on second thought this quality is exactly what one would expect
so i guess we have an inside man now huh?
Tell us everything.
We will not judge, you can cry on our shoulders.
And tell us where the money is.
Can you tell us why nobody paid the Nightvale people when arranged (before the show), after the hotel payment debacle the night before? I've heard the money was "in the bank and just needed to be picked up" or something. Was it really that or did they just not have it and thought WTNV would do the show for...what, free?
This is the most replies I've seen to a comment on /cgl/ in this amount of time
Makes sense, the only way for anyone associated with Dashcon to have any kind of hope of redeeming themselves after this is to throw everything under the bus. Every.thing. WTNV knew it, Gingerhaze and the other "guests" knew it. This is your final option. Godspeed
The two of you start from the beginning.
>Why did you do this yourselves? What made you think a tumblr con would work and why did you decide to get involved?
>Did the hotel actually charge that money or did it not?
>Is anyone keeping tabs of the money you have at all?
>What's the story behind the guests that were not paid?
>What property has been damaged?
>How are you dealing with parents?
>Were they checking IDs for the 18+ panels or not?
>Share the worst things you have seen today in terms of "tumblr behavior".
I ran around a lot, handled a lot of random things. I don't want to give away TOO much about myself just in case someone finds this.
I did not know what I was getting into and I mildly regret it?? But at the same time I don't because I've got some really amazing friends that I've met and hung out with and the admins are lovely, the ones that were actually there and helping, of course.
>every con has a rape rumor
I remember being in debate in high school and even fucking debate club had a rape rumor. It was always "some girl from another school" that was unspecified and no one ever knew who she was or anything.
We had the money in the bank but Night Vale did not want to wait
If you do research on Night Vale and look at their track record at previous cons you shouldn't be fucking surprised, smh
So is no one gonna talk about the 6-person "lolita meetup"
because of the fucking website
>Please also note, Steam Powered Giraffe is no longer performing at DashCon, we are still having a concert, however, with the esteemed Time Crash!
Just be careful about it and change nonessential details
Also, as I've said before, you do not want to be associated with these people, no matter what they've done with or for you. We are your best friends right now. Anything you choose to do in the future will NOT involve them. This is basically your chance for redemption and a new start.
>Tens of thousands of dollars seemingly unaccounted for
>Well it's ok, I have amazing friends and we hung out all day at the expense of hundreds of people
You guys better release a COMPREHENSIVE list detailing all of your expenses or else you guys are fucked.
It's bad business to just be like LOL WE HAVE THE CASH JUST HOLD ON A SECOND BRO. WTNV was totally well within in their rights to walk. Nobody cares about a balance on a screen, that means jack shit. That means after they finished and are waiting to be paid, someone could come up to them and be like WEH THE BANK IS MALFUNCTIONING WE CAN'T WITHDRAW YOUR PAY. MUH RAINCHECK PERHAPS?
Anon what are you on abt, their previous record with shows has been that people always enooyed themselves and it went smoothly. I don't know details about payment or have heard of anything like this but if they'd ever walked out because of impatience before well, why haven't there been posts and outrage about it?
Wait, does this mean that those elusive posts mentioned upthread that were blaming the Nightvale people for very reasonably leaving when it looked like the "WE NEED 17K NOW" convention couldn't fucking pay them were...made by the dashcon staff members/con volunteers?
Friends. Really only friends that were coming.
Yes, they charged it. That was definitely not a scam.
What story is that? Are you talking about Nightvale?
None, actually. We've been very well behaved for a con, surprising.
Not a lot of parents actually. Had some older people come along though and complain that we didnt have steam powered giraffe.
No idea. Didn't attend panels but I know the (competent) admins would not stand for no ID checking. Hell, the rumor that 15 year olds got into the bdsm panel has been going around for awhile and the catcher is that the BDSM panel didn't even happen until tonight.
Hmm. It's actually been very tame? I think it's been very tame, really, besides from the MASSIVE AMOUNTS of superwholock. Everyone's been very kind, especially in the artist's alley.
So have you done anything at all? It seems like you just came to a con to hang out with friends. Being Staff doesn't mean you can just sit around and do fuck-all. How the hell can you be a Staffer and not even have checked in on any panels throughout the con?
>mfw motherfucking arda wigs got conned into going there
I don't know why I expected anything else
Get a real staff member in here who has some sense of preserving their future. Only the captain goes down with a sinking ship. Are you a captain?
Theories from a person who has help run big cons:
-Dashcon didn't hit room block therefore the sudden $17k to pay for the space. True?
-Your pre-reg was likely low being a first year con so you had hardly in the bank to pay the bills. True?
-How old is your conchair? She appears to be 19.
-Was there any large backer or investors besides the IndieGoGo? You can't run a con on good faith.
Seconded, anon I can buy that panels and finances were somehow both outside your area of supervision but then what exactly do you do/oversee?
Honestly between 'teehee, i don't know about this or that thing' you and 'ugh nightvale sucks for walking' anon, both of you do sort of sound like you don't know what you're doing, I don't know why so many people reacted positively when you posted here
Arda is already in Chicago so it was probably nothing for them to go there. And they smartly packed up and left when they realized what was happening. Nothing on Arda, they are still golden and smartly abandoned ship.
>please get more fucking restocks in though, fuckers
news on the BDSM panel - someone claiming to be a/the panelist posted this. look at the fucking tags. "fuck off haters." like. what the fuck does that mean.
Yeah it's a good cosplay and I'm pleased to see people are still into non-New Movie Trek (since it's much better source material than either Superwholock or New Trek, in pretty much every way); gives me hope for the younger fan set
There have been instances of unprofessional conduct behind the scenes but nothing quite like this, GRANTED DASHCON ISN'T ANY BETTER LET'S BE HONEST
>why haven't there been posts and outrage about it
there could very well have been in the past but no con has been investigated or blown up as much as this con before
as for the second bit that's a probability but I could give less of a shit about WTNV to be honest, not a fan so I stayed out of that shitstorm
>Dean & Cas genderbent steampunk cosplay
how even? are these people just using random tumblr word generators to justify their misuse of corsets in public?
a lot of guests do that. Scott McNeil does as well.
Considering they flew in mid-tour from vancouver, that makes sense.
But the flight costs alone would have cost 500 per person, and then there's hotel costs, which no doubt would end up being a few hundred more.
I don't know how much they run in appearance fees, but when travel and room cost them, up front, a 2-3 thousand dollars... yeah, I'd be demanding that up front too.
Not to mention if all they had was an email agreement and a verbal confirmation of agreement, and not a full contract, they're not entitled to perform until they get paid.
So you're saying you don't have any paperwork covering expenses?
I'm not saying release it on here, that's fucking retarded, but do you have anything? Any sort of list saying who spent what where?
I mean, you promised reimbursements, people are going to be asking for refunds, if that hasn't been happening already. Plus if you're raffling off the Indiegogo backer prizes over the weekend, you DO realize the people to donated to the Indiegogo can demand for their money back since you never gave them anything, right?
So you really just came here to shill. You've said NOTHING about the dirty dirty which you should have known in advance we all want.
Please GTFO and bring in someone who's actually smart enough to care about their future, and throw dashcon under the bus where it obviously belongs. You're not going to redeem it here with us.
Not from what I've seen. I'm from /co/, and one of my seagull friends literally called me on the phone today to come to /cgl/ and see this. I can't thank them enough, this is amazing.
Everyone posted positively because we thought we hit a gold mine, we were finally getting the dirt, some was bailing ship, or that juice tid-bit of information that we all are craving and seeking.
Tbh I agree with you. We should have paid them ahead of time.
It's all about the 'verbal contracts' again, where they agreed to be paid afterwards, but I honestly think that after what happened on Friday, they freaked and demanded it upfront.
I honestly don't blame them, but I just wish they would have waited for us to get them the money. We had it, after all, but like I said I don't blame them.
Disappointingly, it seems the staffers are just damage control for DashCon and aren't going to tell us anything interesting.
"But we've made so many friends!"
"But people have been so well behaved!"
But you're a staffer. Why would you stay out of the 'shitstorm' which is a guest having payment issues? Who cares if that isn't your 'fandom' or whatever, you promised attendees at YOUR convention (and yes it is YOURS since you are staff) a guest and you didn't deliver.
God both of you Staffers are coming of as complete entitled cunts
>if it isn't directly correlated to me idk lol
>idk what is happening lol
>well I hung out with my friends so idk lol
So what's your take on the we need 17k/verbal contract/paypal debacle?
I think it's well known that the hotel wasn't actually taking PP donations and the con staff likely paid with PP debit mastercard. Anyway I'd like to hear your thoughts on this whole mess, and the letter that was posted if you saw it.
Friends, just like ballpit. Kind of got conned (PUN) into it.
IDK, that's Roxanne's job and thus far she's pretty much a huge see you next tuesday so doubtful
After all the 17k shit last night I gave up on keeping tabs on the drama
None. I'm surprised too.
Not my division.
I assume so but for part of the day there were no door guards whatsoever a lot of volunteers bailed after last night
Got told by a girl she couldn't sit through the Pacific Rim panel because if she watched it with other people around she just 'WOULDN'T BE ABLE' to handle any snide comments. SMH.
Again, I think the problem with the staffers is that they're volunteers, not actual behind-the-scenes admins. I wouldn't be surprised if these two really DON'T care about what's going on behind the scenes and just wanted free passes to a dead convention.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's really very little staff besides the Admins. After all, GingerHaze had to moderate her own goddamn panel. There probably WAS no actual staff, and the Admins just expected everybody to be where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there.
So other than trying to save your poor excuse of a con's ass here, you literally did nothing except wasting naive people's money to cover the costs of your own travel and room.
Get the fuck out.
So wait you guys aren't even staff. You're volunteers who for some reason have staff badges. Have you guys even DONE anything this entire weekend?
I mean come on, use basic fucking logic. If the volunteers bail, you gotta pick up their slack. No door guards checking IDs? Guess what, you gotta do that shit now. That's the job of a 'staffer' or whatever the fuck you are.
Yeah, I mean, really, does anyone on 4chan really hate furries anymore?
They make solid porn for a wide range of fetishes, generally acknowledge they're weird as fuck, and most of their trans members aren't cancerous. There's even a Popufur site that lists all the "best" furries on FA so you can get your porn income set up.
All of those are out of my knowledge. I was given basic information to do my job (which I would still rather not get into details too because that would EASILY pinpoint who I am) and nothing else.
Room block is false. It was a fee that was 'verbally contracted' to be pushed back until second/third day or so, I believe. Not written so it was well within the hotel's rights to demand it on the first day.
No idea about pre-reg. Never had access to that.
Conchair, the one running the entire thing? Roxanne? Not 19.
No idea about investors.
that's because no con has fucked up that big, to demand or need donation of 17k so it can stay open the day of the event. its quite fishy since most cons have this solved by the day of.
>she watched it with other people around she just 'WOULDN'T BE ABLE' to handle any snide comments
but she goes to a convention and the panel anyway. its like they talk this bullshit so much they believe it.
>imagine the guilty, searching stares on these two staffers'/volunteers' faces as they look their comrades in the eye tomorrow, trying to search out which one was the other person getting reamed on /cgl/
Only chance you guys have for even the slightest redemption is sharing what, if anything, either of you actually did, since you're both like "ohh i don't know about THAT, it's NOT MY DEPARTMENT hurr" and every staffer doing that all con was probably what lead to this mess
I think furries somewhat redeemed themselves, and also people moved onto new and more interesting targets. It's all about fedorafags and SJWs these days.
>mfw having a common scapegoat wasn't a bad idea
Have you ever staffed a con? Staff members are limited to doing what their department heads tell them to. And staff/volunteer are used interchangeably because very few cons pay any of their staff members.
Maybe the staffers aren't going into the nitty-gritty because they know that the Admins are watching.
Maybe they'll finally sling shit after Sunday.
I dunno, I wasn't there. All I know is that she left shortly afterwards.
Calm your tits, man. WTNV is a podcast, not a goddamn religious text.
>mfw I'm staff for a con with 20K visitors and we literally have 60-60 staffers and everything runs smoothtly
lmao oh good, someone else realizes the writing and pacing in Nimona is a goddamn mess. as a fellow comic maker, with too many standards, I just can't accept that, no matter how trendy the art style is and how marketable the ~sympathetic villain~ thing has gotten
Ginger as a person is nice enough though and has never done anything bad that I know of besides make a boring comic, I'm sorry this happened to her.
>You're volunteers who for some reason have staff badges
DINGDINGDING WE HAVE A WINNER most of the staff are volunteers of course we wouldn't get paid
I did a lot of running work, door guarded for panels during the day, and ran panels when the panelists for those panels didn't actually show up
I wasn't scheduled to work this late and let's be honest with how bad the con is going there's no way me or ballpit could fuckin' save it
so hell yeah we'll fuck off to our rooms what else are we supposed to do, the only option is to hang out with the attendees
What department heads?
As far as anyone can tell, the organizers were completely unorganized, contradicted each other, and rarely actually did any of their duties.
Most staffers had never even been to a con before and just sat around doing nothing, with only a few trying to pick up the slack.
If most of the volunteers supposedly left on Friday, they would have been shifted around. And the cons I have volunteered at at least had staff meeting every morning/shift so that people knew what the fuck was going on every day. Yeah there wasn't hour by hour updates but we knew the gist of every section.
this just got posted and i don't know where it came from or if it's legit, but it does appear to match the "letter" with most of the information whited out. this whole thing is hilarious
ah, i've only seen a few pages of that but it didn't interest me. I thought she was only doing art for that though, not writing, so interpreted "her comic" as nimona
But no matter how many bad comics she makes they really screwed her over.
>and ran panels when the panelists for those panels didn't actually show up
>volunteer ran panels
Oh, lord. All right, man, you HAVE to bite the bullet after that one. What did they make you run? Please?
It's not like you're getting paid for this anyway, you don't owe these people anything.
Yeah, it's really well organised, everyone works in teams of 2 with headsets, there are usually 3 big halls so we're all spread out nicely and monitor the visitors while doing our jobs. 10 people are "heavy" security and 3 tech guys on bikes.
>Room block is false. It was a fee that was 'verbally contracted' to be pushed back until second/third day or so, I believe.
I can explain this
as per written contract, the hotel has the right to demand the money at any point past the moment it's due. Everything after that is a "consideration" which can be removed at any time.
Usually hotels require 1/3 of the fee up front to guarantee the rental
(which would indicate the total fee is 30,000)
With room blocks, there are two approaches. Some shows get massive room blocks in order to offset the cost of the show. By promising to fill a certain number of rooms, the hotel discounts the rental rate, sometimes even comping it all together
The other way is by having just a straight rental fee, and the room block serves to guarantee that the hotel can hold enough attendees. If they cannot guarantee a large enough room block for the expected attendance, overflow hotels (which Dashcon had) are also booked.
Most likely this is the case, though a combination of the two happens as well.
I've volunteered at cons and literally spent the entire time carrying chairs and standing and guarding some kind of door for some reason.
Most volunteers end up doing random shit that you could trust a trained chimp to do.
I'm not sure what it is you think volunteers do.
It seems to me like our guys here aren't really staff, just more like volunteers. They're not being paid or doing staffer things, but they're called staffers because...
...well, I guess because these people have never run cons before.
Hey, look what I just found: http://www.dashcon.org/dashcon-2014-dvd/
>DashCon will be filming during the convention, and we would love to share what we capture with you! We'll be filming three different panels, and including the highlights, as well as providing exclusive content like guest interviews, attendee stories, and behind the scenes diaries! You'll be able to vote on two of the panels filmed for the DVD, making this DVD exactly what you want it to be!
>These DVDs will be available for pre order only and will ship mid to late August! The pre order cut off date is July 31st! You will receive an email when your items have shipped, please allow two to three weeks for shipping.
>What you need to know:
>Ordering Price-- $20
>2 hours of content
>Highlights of a select 3 panels-- 1 hour – The Night Vale Q and A, and two fan selected panels
>Extras-- 1 hour – interviews, behind the scenes, attendee stories, etc.
>This DVD is the perfect way to remember DashCon by, and it's a great way for those who can't make it to be part of the action!
Precious memories, I'm sure.
So was I, seriously.
Only the guests PA's were not included in my count of the staff. When you have good people who know what they're doing AND motivated, you can do a lot.
Crazy what good planning and technology can do.
>Night Vale Q and A
but if that didn't happen, what the fuck are they going to put on there instead?
>>DashCon will be filming during the convention, and we would love to share what we capture with you! We'll be filming three different panels, and including the highlights, as well as providing exclusive content like guest interviews, attendee stories, and behind the scenes diaries! You'll be able to vote on two of the panels filmed for the DVD, making this DVD exactly what you want it to be!
>>These DVDs will be available for pre order only and will ship mid to late August! The pre order cut off date is July 31st! You will receive an email when your items have shipped, please allow two to three weeks for shipping.
>>What you need to know:
>>Ordering Price-- $20
hours of content
>>Highlights of a select 3 panels-- 1 hour – The Night Vale Q and A, and two fan selected panels
>>Extras-- 1 hour – interviews, behind the scenes, attendee stories, etc.
>>This DVD is the perfect way to remember DashCon by, and it's a great way for those who can't make it to be part of the action!
>implying the dvd is actually going to happen
don't you remember the description?
>"This is Not a Night Vale Panel. Do Not Attend This Panel. - The makers of Welcome to Night Vale will not be answering your questions. They will not attend this panel. Stare. Stare at the blank wall."
Wow yeah that ball pit sure was the highlight of the con.
Was there an entry fee for the ballpit because they were offering a free hour in the ballpit as compensation for the WTNV debacle?
>They call it Boardcon
>ebin /b/ros and /pol/fags come and spill out 60 neo-shekels
>they meet a bunch of fat whales and harpoon and complete ruin the convention
>at the end a man with a fedora and fawkes mask walks up stage and says
>"we r legunz, ebin simply ebin"
Not professional allegiance, but seriously, some of these admins are trying their hardest. They are genuinely doing their best to make things go smoothly (and again, this is the COMPETENT admins)
Call me soft, but I have pity and sympathy for those admins.
Did not happen. It went extremely smoothly. Other hotel guests did apparently complain about how weird we were though. This hotel is pretty nice really, so we were so out of its league, class wise.
They have fucking TVs in the mirrors.
I did work, but I'm not disclosing what I did since I don't want shit raining down on me since I did some specific shit that is easily recognizable.
As for saving dashcon's ass? AHAHAHHAH OH GOOD LORD FUCK MY SIDES THEY'RE GONE THEY'VE DIED AND GONE TO HELL
Nothing is saving dashcon.
This is venting.
I don't think they were ordered, I think dashcon just wanted to avoid being sued.
Probably the smartest decision they've yet made, considering VERBAL CONTRACTS are not a real thing. Did SMH or Ballpit confirm they were verbal and that was incredibly stupid?
if anyone still cares, here's more news on the BDSM panel from someone who apparently went. still don't know what exactly they covered and if this person even knows what they're talking about.
I'm sure as hell not going to get hysterical about it. OP made a mild statement and responder kinda went apeshit on them. Just... really?
I want OP to stick around, even if they are a shill. That's more interesting.
I can't name it exactly for contractual reasons, not allowed to talk about BTS and security details, but it's a comic-con type of convention in west Europe. Comic, cosplay, games and fantasy, the usual.
We work our asses off during those days, don't get me wrong and sometimes we lose a break hour because one hall gets busier than planned, but we make it work really well.
This con was fucking shit.
Panelists didn't come to panels, things were cancelled, nightvale left, incompetence was rampant and there is nothing that is going to save this con.
We're human. We have friends, big woop. Wait until tomorrow, tomorrow people will probably spill a bunch of shit, more than what we're doing now. It'll be safer for us to come back tomorrow.
I have absolutely no idea. That was out of my jurisdiction.
Volunteers, both of us.
well THERE'S your answer
You can't compare a comic con type show to something like this or an anime con, and you certainly can't compare west europe's cons to an american one.
We breed a special kind of ridiculous that requires a larger staff.
That ridiculous is both in the attendees AND the staff itself
i think that was the only smart thing they did. its funny because the tumblr staff have hosted meetups that went smoothly. but the unofficial ones were total trainwrecks.
>it could have been a great con if they had the staff's support.
What, exactly, are you thinking would happen to you if you were more open here now? They're not paying you anything. You're volunteers. What are they going to do, exactly, that has you so intimidated?
Verbal contracts are a real thing when on record, with a recorder, video, or email. then it become equal to on paper. except when face to face and saying yeah doesn't hold up because anyone could have said anything.
Saying "honestly I'm not surprised they walked out, look at all the ~other~ things they've (supposedly) done" and no other source or examples, after a group walks out because of nonpayment, is really...asking to be laughed off and bitched out.
lmao obviously the one person who called them a cunt (out of the dozen or so disagreeing posts) wasn't being very nice and PC, but /cgl/ is not generally a nice place.
>entry fee for the ballpit
Your dignity and a waiver saying you weren't responsible for the diseases contracted by the homestucks
in all seriousness though no there was no entry fee so perhaps they meant that they would keep the ball pit open for longer JUST for those con attendees
I kind of want to find whoever wrote that (probably roxanne) and punch them in the face
Usually they're associated with some kind of organization or club, have run BDSM cons, are actually involved in organizations that cater to the lifestyle, or even have real training instead of being self-taught--important for people who do shit like piercings, Japanese rope tying, and asphyxiation.
Basically, people who know what they're talking about.
>internet backlash gets to the DC staff
>tell attendees that the haters are trying to get Dash Con shut down
>staff tell attendees to go to social media to 'set the story straight'
These motherfuckers are crafty
>verbal contracts are a real thing when in email
I get what you're saying but it's not like somebody is going to send you a .wav file of legally incriminating information. When they say "verbal contract" that more or less means "no record of it"
You're a really violent person aren't you?
Can't believe they let you be a staffer, what a disgrace, the entire thing.
How many of you are instable? You and the 17 y/o are already two.
Honestly I don't know shit about what happened with WTNV so I just blew off those questions but I've heard that behind the scenes they've been kind of shitty
Granted I've heard those things from other staffers so EXCUSES EXCUSES
Joseph Fink is kind of a pretentious douchebag though, I talked to him briefly and wasn't impressed.
Cecil is hella rad however
Oh for fuck's sake. I don't even have a tumblr. I don't even fucking know how it works because I am the oldest and grumpiest of oldfags that remember when livejournal was where stupidity collected.
But, in general, I reserve calling people fucking cunts for people who've actually, you know, done something really fucking cunty.
It harshed my drama buzz. Can't we just all be cool and keep our panties untwisted, and listen to the beautiful bullshit being spewed? Must we chase off our entertaining OPs, who are possibly shills, and can fill this thread with the most amusing bullshit?
There are two weddings, yes. They went smoothly, no one bothered them. Very gorgeous wedding. I saw them set it up.
Check the videos on youtube.
Incredibly false, holy shit.
She's alive. I heard shit went down with her and she got a lot of shit on her tumblr but she's alive.
that's not what ironic means anon
you meant it's incredibly appropriate
The description is SUPPOSED to be ironic, because it's SUPPOSED to be a panel
So by not happening, it's the opposite of ironic.
If you weren't giving me my money, I would seem like a pretentious douchebag too.
I mean, we're now talking to you briefly and you seem like the sandiest, opportunistic vagina ever.
You never ever do verbal contracts. This is exactly what will happen as the big guys will burn you when they see an opportune chance. It is a recipe for a disaster. Every single detail has to be in writing. I have to usually deal with months of negotiating to get every detail down then hand it over to lawyers for approval.
The people in charge did not have a budget at all. I think they had a vast attendance expectation which they thought was going to cover the bills but came up extremely short.
A con has to start with a backer with a reasonable expectation to be at a loss. They didn't do proper market analysis. The expectation of a first year convention is to have a reasonable entry point in pricing with a moderate amount of programming. Guests can not be the draw to bring people from the door. It has to be a complete package which this con did not offer.
PP debit is limited to $400 daily withdrawal unless you're a long time customer with good standing. It takes 3 business days to have it wired to an account.
The letter is was a terrible band-aid on a severed head. They should have folded it up on Friday then gone into financial hiding. They should have licked their salted wounds and move on instead of being filled with pride to endure a poorly run convention.
This will be quite damaging to ever see a Tumblr fan con. This will be like Las Pegasus which was quite detrimental to the brony community. It was after convention that all guests demanded high guarantees up front while the show started to decline in popularity.
Joseph Fink is one of the sweetest men I've ever met. If he was acting off, it was probably because they were slowly realizing they weren't actually going to get paid jack squat for showing up to this poorly organized convention after having to pay their own travel and boarding expenses after finding out Dashcon wasn't going to. It was really rad of them to let Gingerhaze room with them after she wasn't going to be able to find a place to stay after Dashcon wouldn't pay for her room either.
I saw a post saying despite the panel descrip (who knows who wrote it) that panel was staffed mostly be gay men and entirely by queer people. So couldve been worse
>mfw all the "gay men" were really 15yo tumblr trans boys
Why is she called an admin then?
why are you two called admins when you're volunteers?
Do the people naming admins know what admin means?
And that was already public knowledge, give us other juicy flight costs.
>mfw I literally only follow one blog that is anti-everything tumblr likes
>mfw I still found out about that mess
will anyone actually show up, or will they just make the volunteers run it?
The homoerotic subtext panel was actually the opposite of that, but jfc the description on the schedule made it sound embarrassing.
We can leave if you want. It's no big deal for us, we're just having fun here talking to you guys.
Ain't no problem for us if we stop.
Oh yeah, apparently one of our admins never got the memo about verbal contracts and how fucked up they are.
It's gone. I'm sorry. It's a very emotional time for all of us.
We'll be having a funeral for it tomorrow. The attendance for the ball pit funeral should number in the 3000-5000 range and we'll be raising 17,000 dollars to send to the ballpit's family and children.
We're so sorry. This truly is a tragedy.
(but if you're looking for the bouncy house, it's at metrocon)
>WTNV crew described as personable and welcoming by everyone who has attended a live event
>Fink nervous and not 100% polite on Friday night bc his group's fee hasn't been paid yet and the convention is slapdash raising $17k to keep the hotel so god knows how they plan to pay WTNV's fees or travel expenses
>"kind of a pretentious douchebag"
This just in via #dashcon:
>why the heck would some shit bag trick people into chanting something like that when those girls most likely didn’t know what it was they were chanting until the very fucking end and record them without their consent (and yes i consider it without their consent because those girls didn’t fucking sign up to be recorded only to be fooled into saying something like that and being humiliated on the internet) like what the fuck i hope somebody beat the shit out of the dude recording later that day. not even joking that’s so fucked up and if i was there i would have taken his phone away from him and fucking threw multiple times against a wall until it shattered and slapped the shit outta that douche sniffer
Anybody know what this is about?
>Why is she called an admin then?
>why are you two called admins
We're not, we're called staff
Cain and Megg know what they're doing but Roxanne handed out priviledge like it was going out of style (like her hair and make up did 5+ years ago)
I was implying that yeah if all the panelists were gay men that would in fact make it better since they're significantly less likely to be fetishizing and retarded shipping etc
And then further implying that it would be funny/disappointing if if were just tumblr trans bois