NZ Thread! Auckland Armageddon isn't that far off now, and Overload was last week. What u thinking about?
What do people think about the new Cosplay comp rules for Auckland? I can see a massive drop in entries with forms being due in three weeks before. Also I don't really understand the need to have judging the day before if they're capping the number of entries allowed? I think like doing one or the other would have been enough, doing both feels like overkill.
I think the rules changes are good.
In all honesty, if people can't type up their form 3 weeks in advance then maybe they're just not commited enough to be entering. The competitions are getting higher and higher in scale, and I feel like if they can weed out the people who tend to drop out, it's a good move.
As for judging the day before, I don't personally like it, but having to pick winners in a less judged environment means the best can be chosen.
I remember years ago (probably still happens) so many people would talk about what they were going to make for the comp less than a month before it that they hadn't even started haha.
I do agree with the deadline for forms being needed more in advance, but I feel like skits should be allowed to be added on a week or two later. I can see a massive drop in entries for skits this Auckland.
I don't like the 2 day judging either and feel like it will cut out a lot of people who won't want to wear uncomfortable armour or big costumes 2 days in a row. Not being able to piss or sit down is okay for one day, 2 days is pushing it.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. But given the new judge who hasn't judged such a big competition before it might end up being a blessing? Or at least this year will be a try out year in multiple ways; they're kind of starting from the beginning again so need time to work things out.
Stressed? Not really. At least not the way people would read that. I loved the hard work. However being undermined constantly and being repeatedly dismissed is crushing after a few years.
Really? I'd say all those things would make the judging process more robust. The early cutoff date gives them time to make sure things are sorted out, and the 3 weeks/2 days gives more time to read over the forms. Like other anon mentioned, they don't want a repeat of this year's wellygeddon.
I can understand pushing out the entry date somewhat, since it was clear that they were under prepared for Welly, but 3 weeks is getting ridiculous. Especially considering they've also limited the entries and extended the competition time frame.
It tells me that there's no time management going on - a full day is more than enough time to judge 30 entries + prize giving when proper planning is done. Nor should it take that long to plan time schedules, or pre judge.
If they were potentially dealing with a significantly higher number of entries, I could understand. But 30? Come on. Those 3 things in combination don't really inspire confidence (and that's reinforced by the disorganisation of the contest webpage)
We have a new judge who needs to be set up and prepared for her first time judging one of the larger cosplay contests in New Zealand. I say thank god all these changes are in place.
The rules will probably change over time but there's no need to be yelling profanities over it.
It's not really disorganization on the judges part, it's just armageddon being as unhelpful as possible ...as usual.
And it's definitely not the only competition to have these rules.
Think you can start a comp cosplay a month before and still enter it? That's on you. I've seen it time and time again. People need to learn to get organized.
Yeah there's some disorganisation on the judges part, however if you don't see these rules as a good thing, I don't know what to tell you.
>a full day is more than enough time to judge 30 entries + prize giving when proper planning is done
Yeah, more than enough time to have a really shit day... you need to remember the cosplay judge/s are volunteers that are part of the community, and maybe they want to have some time to enjoy themselves at the event as well...
If they live in the city it's hosted in the only payoff the get is entry to the event and cocktail party. That's in return for 8 hours work with no break on judging/presentation day, not to mention the easily 40+ hours of work per con collating the entry forms, getting the skits usable, responding to emails, dealing with shitty people who don't understand that yes they do have to follow the rules like everyone else etc.
They get flights/accom paid for out of town cons (assuming that hasn't changed for new judges) but even that was something M had to fight for. For years A had to pay her own way so she could help M as it's not a 1 person job and you need a helper who knows their shit rather than a random you have to train up every time. Things are a lot better now than they used to be but it's a hell of a hard job for little return.
One day in a room all day followed by presentation vs one day in a room all day followed by another day of deciding on winners and presentation. I don't see how that gives them /more/ time to enjoy the con. A less stressful day though, sure maybe.
I'm not a judge but I've been a helper so I assume it'd be more like judge in the room till you're through with everyone (a generous 10min per entry instead of the usual 5min x 30 = 5 hrs plus a 30min break, starting at 10.30 would take you to 4pm), then you have all evening to make your choices and write certificates, and the whole of Monday free to enjoy apart from the stage presentation.
Much better than:
>rushing through all the contestants which makes them feel like you didn't even look at them properly (common complaint though untrue)
>trying to decide who to award quickly because you have little time but you still need to be thorough because you don't want to miss someone (there are several times where people have been added as the room has been packed up to go to the stage!)
>then trying to research to make sure they haven't won with that costume before at another con (necessary in some cases)
>write the certificates and thank you notes
>track down the prizes to be awarded
>finish getting your own costume on/makeup done because being in costume yourself gives you credibility with the audience but that's a long time to be uncomfortable for when you're trying to work and you need free movement to examine people's costumes properly
> brief in the tech desk at the main stage so they don't fuck up the skits
All by 4pm because then you need to start wrangling contestants for the stage presentation.
There's a lot of work that goes into it that you don't seem to realise anon, it's not just looking at some costumes and deciding which ones deserve which award (which is also very challenging!) - the actual choosing is usually one of the most stressful parts because you need to get it right but you also have to get all this other shit done in the space of about 3 hours (and that's again with no break). Do you not remember all the times the stage preso started late? This is why, and is why this new system is at least worth trying.
Sounds like some people don't have a clue how much work goes into running the contest :) Splitting it across two days is the best idea for everyone, trying to judge 30+ applicants in two hours is stressful, unfair on everyone involved, and really shit. As for the three week deadline: I love it. It gives the judges time to look over our forms properly, and if you haven't started by that time you're an idiot anyway. Do you guys not realise that it's NOT POSSIBLE to look over the piles of forms that come in THE NIGHT BEFORE the contest and still give everyone the same amount of attention? The judges are people, not machines, and people who constantly wait until the last second to submit their form are making it harder for everyone. At least this way the judges get some sleep.
Also soxy has judged a large contest before. She did Otaku Con/Akiba con last year and that was 26 entries. Geddon is only different because of the completely hands-off attitude by the organisers which makes everything so shit.
Three weeks out is entirely reasonable, given the advanced notice we got. I know some people would be throwing their toys because they hate any sort of change. The real world is going to eat those babies alive.
Adding to this (I'm >>8646110 ), two thirds of the entries for last year's Auckgeddon came in in the last 12 hours before deadline. Deadline was 10pm or midnight Wednesday (I forget which), which gave only thursday to respond to everyone, put together the judging order, print all the entries out and read them because Friday was spent packing & getting to accomodation. There are a few snatches of time outside of the con to read them (or the judge has to spend less time at the con so they can read them) but you worked your ass off on that costume, don't you want to give the judge to be able to thoroughly review your work?
ALSO holy shit you guys, you've known that the con was Labour Weekend since last year, organise your shit and don't expect the world to revolve around you and your lack of planning.
Okay that is pretty shit. Like i understand her feelings and that's awful she got a lot of terrible messages, but that was a really negative interview....i know a lot of people (including myself) sent her really encouraging messages after wellygeddon, but no mention of the support at all, just the bad stuff? And yeah the community is kind of cliquey but no more so than anywhere else, we're a bunch of fucking nerds of course a lot of us are shy, but i guess being shy is a deliberate snub? And anyway, you can't always expect people to come to you, sometimes you have to be the one giving others a friendly reception... I like and respect her, but this does kind of feel like a punch in the face :(
Tbh I don't really know her personally but I can see where she's coming from. She's saying that it took a long time for NZ cosplayers to make her feel genuinely welcome in the community and that's understandable. She has a high profile in the community now but that doesn't automatically lead to being welcomed socially into a group.
Yes, most of us are shy and like to stick to the groups we know. Personally I'm also easily intimidated by skilled and/or foreign cosplayers and it definitely stops me from approaching and talking to them even though they are just nerds like the rest of us! And it's not hard to see how these attitudes are unwelcoming (and seem standoffish) to newcomers. We are also being compared to a very different - larger, more mature, American - con scene in the interview.
tl;dr She has the right to feel however she wants about the NZ cosplay comm because it was her experience. I doubt she was trying to offend or call out anyone, and was just being honest.
I remember in /cgl/ threads ages ago people were saying Kealy seemed kind of snobby and that she didn't talk to anyone, and she came into the thread saying she was shy. So it is a bit shit to see her turn around and say the same thing about other people!
I don't mean to sound like a white knight here, but just because someone is shy, doesn't mean that they didn't try to make friends with people. Plus 99% of people who complain about people snobbing them attempted to approach them when they were busy or in a rush. We've already gone through this.
If everyone could stop and a minute to reflect on the community instead of pointing fingers, I think we could learn from this.
I've read this interview like 15 times trying to see what is getting people's panties in a bunch and I cannot see it. She's a nerd answering questions honestly, she's describing the community exactly the same way everyone else does, and isn't being mean or nasty - I'm pretty great at getting offended, but I cannot see how people are reading shit into this.
yes, exactly. And if you compare a party con to fuckin armageddon the difference is going to be even more noticeable.
And that 99% includes Kealy.... unless you're saying everyone who snubbed Kealy was just a bitch, but whenever she snubbed anyone it was ok bc she's just shy. Anyway, whatever, Kealy's fine, and it was just a dinky interview, i hope her experience with the community gets better and i guess we can learn from it, there are definitely problems here (but generalisations are pretty harsh and not tactful imo, it really is worth it to be careful with what you say publically tbh), but let's also not carried away with double standards here about who can be shy or busy and who has to be friendly and open.
No, no, let me tell you one thing - The hate she gets is really, really deserved. If you think that the hate she is getting is nasty then you really, really do not know her. She has fucked over more people than I could ever imagine. I would recommend you stay away from them for your own safety. Literally.
The reason why you haven't heard about it is that her victims are too scared to speak out because of her abusive behaviour. This is coming from myself who is one of her friends. I feel like if I stop being her friend she will hurt me also. I don't want to say anything about other's experiences because it is not my place. People are scared of her.
Unfortunately I have witnessed her abusing people, sending anon hate to the point of the other person crying, laughing at other's cosplays and claiming that she can do it all better. She is controlling and will not let you even think about talking to people if she doesn't like them. There is more things that I could go into but I'd rather not. She needs professional help because she doesn't hear people trying to help her, she just likes to victimise herself and lie.
Hello fellow anon /cgls/ I've been out of the cosplay community for a few years now and after reading all this horrible behavior observed from someone whom I know also organizes events for others they sound like an exponentially heinous personality to have in a community where most of its inhabitants are shy, nervous and introverted. If i were living in Wellington I'd love to try help people who're struggling with that narcissistic hateful behaviour. I'm sorry to hear there's people out there who are 'friends' with someone whom they're afraid of. I've been there myself, anon. I'd love to tell you to just leave but I really understand thats difficult. I can tell you how good you feel once you achieve, though.
Sorry for the tl;dr but after I read this its really riled me up. As 'White-Night-y' as it sounds, I'd love to be given the chance to call them out on that sickening behaviour. As much as its worth; people talk (this is a great example) and people will hear. Hopefully someone can knock them down many a peg.
Nope. I may have a problem with her but I don't wish to sit and be anonymous about it, and I was never planning on posting unless I was brought up. If people want to talk to me you can do so elsewhere off anon.
I can confirm this was a thing, sadly.
On a more positive note, it's awesome to see such a high level of cosplay coming out of our community. Seriously in awe of the skills I'm seeing from you guys.
Why don't you understand it? If you're friends with someone who laughs about how they've hurt ex-friends the immediate thought is 'oh god, will they do this to me?' So you stick around. It's simple.
That's the only thing they've said that seema like it would affect you if you stopped interacting with this girl.
Anon hate is kind of pathetic but I'm not understanding why people are saying they're afraid of her.
Can you please learn to read anon?
- emotional and physically abusing people
- sending anon hate and admitting to it and laughing
- Laughing at other people cosplays then making the same ones out of spite in an attempt to make it 'better'
- Will abuse you if you try to talk to people they dont like
- Victimizing herself
- compulsive lying
Is that not enough for you? Why are you defending them? I'm starting to think you're just lilly and being pathetic again. I can tell you that that person's post above was putting it lightly.
You guys need to hash this shit out in real life or at least keep it the fuck off of here since this stuff shits up damn near every thread it's in.
getting my god damn costumes done
>looking forward to
i've been looking over the schedules and there doesn't really seem to be that much going on? It's nice that the kamehameha contest is back though, i don't think they did one for welly
The crowds, getting everything done
>Panels,the contest, seeing people, getting tanked at the ball
>looking forward to most at Auckland?
Seeing my friends again and dressing up. I don't enjoy Armageddon all that much/
>What're you dreading?
The upcoming week and a half of trying to finish my shit instead of crying on the floor.
I'm never doing another panel at geddon again, it's not worth it. The organisers are uncommunicative dicks and for all the running around you have to do on top of actually presenting your panel, it just makes for a really shit time.
Which is a shame because the cos panels are the highlight of the con for me.
I'm most looking forward to the anniversary party and the quiz thing on Monday (as well as watching the comp of course). Honestly other than that stuff though I'm kinda wondering why I'm going this year...
Dreading the crowds and the stressful week leading up to the con.
I'd bet it was the timeframe and the limited number of slots - newbies would find it off putting if they didn't feel sure in their abilities I reckon.
I'm quite curious about the what the extra support from Matsuri entails.
Well shit, I only have one costume because I ran out of supplies.
At least it isn't the same thing I was wearing at the last 2 geddons.
Armageddon feels so terrible compared to 7 or 8 years ago, when it was at that convention center in the city by Aoetea Square. Much more commercialized and appealing to a wider audience whereas before it felt like a more traditional con.
Maybe its nostalgia goggles then, I don't know. Last time I went was 2012 with a friend and it wasn't so great. Even just looking at the advertising now it seems like they're trying to draw in as many people from any demographic as possible.
Remember when people showed off their in-development video games? And the deviantArt stall was good? And you could leave the Aotea center and eat somewhere else? And pose outside in your costume for the casual people, because it was Queen Street?
Man, good times. Goood times.
Wow, someone's new. The stall has drinks that are hard to find for good prices and with a lot of the audience bring over 18, which I assume you aren't, it'd be very missed if it left.
Wellygeddon was nothing but Minions and One Piece bootlegs. :(
And the same fucking people buy 12 stalls around the con and force the cost up for anyone else wanting to get a stall for business.
Fuck the whiny people who lead others to have mentality. It's not your fault your good & winning, other people just need to suck it up and get good.
I'm so mad about this. If you want to win a contest you need to up your own goddamn game, not rely on other people letting you. The de wildes are amazing, but they're not robots and they win because they work for it. Other people should try doing the same.
Pretty much! Was giving me flashbacks to the 'there should be a beginners section, novice is 2 hard' and 'if you win BiS at one event you shouldn't be allowed to enter any others' bullshit threads from a while ago.
Seems like people think everyone should get a participation award or something these days ugh.
I've been talking with people about this a lot over the last few days and it bugs the shit out of me that people seem way more determined to bitch about other people winning than actually improving. If you cosplay for fun that's one thing, but if you're actually entering contests then don't be such a little bitch. And if you're NOT entering contests...shut up?? about contests???
The judging was excellent and I absolutely loved having the judging the day before the stage stuff. Took the pressure way off! My only complaint is that I feel like there were less entries, and it was likely due to the 3 week cut off, bit I also understand why that's very necessary sthis is really more of an observation than a complaint.
I saw the need to limit entries after Wellington but I felt Auckland had slightly too few. I think it was 23 out of 30 available slots, so probably was the three week deadline but I wonder if even 35 would be a better number. People will get better at the three week deadline as more cons pass though, they just need time.
Fave skit would definitely be the Skull Kid one in the comp (though the other one they did in the skit thing was really good too). Fave costume is a hard call, but probably Rocket. I still love that the mouth moves, it's quite mesmerizing to watch in person because it looks so real.
How did getting changed for judging at the con work? Was there a place to just leave your comp costume there for the rest of the day? Only thing that puts me off the day before judging tbh.
I was nervous for her the whole time, she's obviously very new to pointe and doesn't quite have the ankle strength and balance necessary to consistently pull off some of the moves she was doing. If she'd done the skit in flats, lowered the difficulty or saved it until next year, the result would have been much more polished. I loved Skull Kids skits both days.
They're not new to being on pointe, they just haven't danced for a few years. I think the dance was beautiful and I'm surprised she didn't win a skit award. I think I 'm also a bit meh about it because I didn't really like the material in the skull kid's skit but thats just me.
>you need to be a professional to see mistakes
By that logic, how can you tell it was 'beautiful' without being a pro? Thats a flawed as hell argument.
The routine was nice, and with a little more practice it could have been amazing. But it was a little bit shaky at points, which is all people have been saying.
I was asking out of curiosity, there was no logic or implications with it.
But yes. I think the skit was great anyway and she looked very happy and I think that's the most important part.
all people are doing is offering advice on how she could improve, chill out
This shit cray. Spent entire quiz trying to figure out who the fuck this was and why the fuck they were suddenly in our team. Didn't find out til later that I wasn't the only one confused.
His competitive nature gets the best of him sometimes, and it has led to him saying and doing some rather nasty things - and people have long memories. I'm told he is a nice enough guy outside of the context of cosplay, which makes all the more the shame.
Forget interpersonal drama, If there's one person I could ban from events it'd be that Nathan V guy. His behaviour is just wildly inappropriate no matter what the setting.
Any particular day or photographer you want? That's a broad request.
He comes off as arrogant and self-centered. I'm aware of a fair bit of non-cosplay related drama, but as far as cosplay related stuff goes, he trash-talked a lot about the competition because the judge then (Michaela) made him stick by the rules and wouldn't let him enter the above pictured Loki!Iron man mess, as it was an original creation. He spread rumours that it was rigged, among other things, to the general populace, and as he had a lot of normalfag followers lapping up anything he says it actually spread a lot and caused a fair bit of damage. I'm trying to find the threads from around the time where it happened in the archive but I'm having a bit of trouble, so if anyone has the links lying around.... That's as much as I can remember anyway - if I've got something wrong sing out, my memory is not the best. I am fairly biased against him, as I'm sure quite a number of us are, he may have changed now, I wouldn't know.
His Loki costume got the same kind of e-fame as Jessica Nigri's photos and so he thinks he's on a level above other NZ cosplayers. Also that the rules should be changed to accommodate that.
He's really really up himself. He's pretty much become the lolcow of the community after the box loki disaster.
Wow what the hell? He's one of the nicest people I have ever met. He's sociable and kind and actually asks you questions.
If you wanna talk about creepy, let's talk about Nathan, Kyle and Glenn.
Dan is one of the more professional photographers going. Sounds like you're talking shit.
Agreed. He's nice in person and then you look at his cosplay albums and see practically no photos of males. And there's the constant getting girls in dresses to spin around (which makes the skirt fly up a lot)
The open position in the quiz group was directly offered to Lennon (which is fair enough, he knew the group and knows a shit tonne) and Lilly literally DASHED right past saying "YEEEEESS" and straight to the group. So she was ininvited and stayed for some weird reason
I'm talking about how he acts on facebook. The number of ridiculous, fedora-ish comments he makes is just insane, lol...he is a c r e e p. Just because there are guys worse than him doesn't let him off the hook.
Pretty sure the de wilds won technical with their Black Widow/Hawkeye and possibly their elves too.
Basically to win a technical all of the costumes involved need to be really technically impressive and the sad fact of groups is that there's usually one or several people whose costumes are less well made than others' in the group. So I assume the reason there are few group technicals is because it's harder to maintain a high standard of quality with multiple people.
Adding to myself - whereas awards like Best Group/Best in Show account for other things like skits and overall presentation so they can win back points in other areas they may have lost from the technical side of things. (I'm not a judge btw just theorising)
Start now then...it happens all the time with groups, people rush to finish and end up way below the level of the others and it drags the whole thing down. With solos too actually, it sucks so bad when you see someone rushing to get it done and it could have been so much better if they'd had more time.
Then it was a bad idea to do a dance that could permanently fuck up her body if she fell if she gets such bad nerves that she shakes. It wasn't just the nerves, although that could have contributed to her instability, there was rusty/underpracticed technique there too.
Wow not that anon but why are you trying so hard? There's always a risk to dancers that they'll sustain an injury, even for professionals, and it's almost as common as for athletes.
But really who cares why/how she was shaking, that fact is that she did the dance, and she's in one piece now. So get off your high horse and find something else to bitch about that actually happened.
Maybe because I can count on one hand the number of ballet dancers I used to dance with that aren't injured these days. I'm not saying that she shouldn't have done a ballet skit, I'm saying she shouldn't have done this particular one at the point she was at. If I'm on any horse it's a very small pony, I wouldn't be able to get onto a high horse right now because of my own ballet injury.
I wasn't the one who brought up the post again any way.
bonus spoopy skellington nice
Oh i think she posted on her cospage today - looks like she was out of practice + nerves + not feeling well. Hope she keeps it up and does more next year
In the end, it was her choice to do the skit. She did it, she thought she was capable, and she quite frankly looked great doing it. Spoilers - she didn't injure herself so stop talking about a mere
possibility that didn't happen. You're starting to get really obnoxious and vendetta-y at this point.
Literally all that anyone has said is that they were worried for her safety. How is that being judgmental? If you're so bored that you resort to bringing up this stupid drama to liven up your day, maybe it's time to get a job, or another hobby.
I was literally just referring to the few posts above it from this afternoon but alright.
Either way, causing drama on 4chan is just going to put people off doing skits. You can defend/shitstir all you like but it is what it is.
Jesus fucking christ will you people drop it!!
NEW TOPIC has anybody else started their new projects yet? I'm powering through the first piece of a Sakizo outfit and boy howdy is it tittytastic
I can't wait for this thread (and drama to be over).
Dumping pics from Dan like anon asked, don't really know who to post though.
Thanks anon, I was just about to ask where I could find pics of the comp entrants. That gown was so stunning.
Last one I have. If I have missed any feel free to post them. Thanks!
Or you could stop being a fucking coward and actually talk to her about your issues with her ~*like a grown up*~. You always shit up these threads with your stupid vendetta and it's boring - get over yourself.
You know what I find quite hilarious? People like you will come here with a vendetta and shit post, but in doing that you're really actually worse personality-wise than the person you're posting about.
Got a vendetta? Don't deal with it like a child, go fucking sort it out. In the mean time I'm actually going to just laugh about how ironic it is.
Congratulations, it takes a real shitty person to post hate here.
Guess again friend, I'm pic related. A flurry of activity between 7-8am can't be that surprising, given that that's when the majority of people are waking up/getting ready for work. Regardless though, it proves my point that people are bored of your cowardly bullshit.
Please, send me a message and tell me why you're justified in your shitty behaviour - I'd honestly love to know.
I'm not the person bitching about you Casey, I've never had anything to do with you and I still know far to many details about the things you've done. Stop defending yourself and acting smug when people who haven't even met you know you're bad news. This entire thread you've just been making a joke of yourself.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Casey here. I have posted ONCE near the start of the thread and have not been online this morning to even contribute to this drama.
I am however, disappointed to see that people that don't even know me have the nerve to have an opinion of me. If you want to have a chat to me, then feel free to do so.
Any drama surrounding me is from years ago and I like to at least think that over time I grew up.
Please stop listening to rumors from people with Vendettas.
Have a good day though.
Just to set the record straight, I'm not whoever you're accusing me of being. I don't know Casey personally, I just think she can't pull off any costume that doesn't include a mask.
I'm accusing you of being a dick, so you're proving me right. Keep your vendetta to yourself - there are plenty of people who aren't supermodels in this thread but I notice you don't shit over anyone else.
You don't have to think she's attractive but you also don't have to be a dick about it. It's been literally years of this 'Casey ew' rubbish and it's boring.
Putting my name on because getting mistaken for someone else is starting to annoy me. If anyone wants to hmu off board about this then by all means, do. Pic because I'm too lazy to work out how to trip.
Hey...if you are going to be cunty, at least make it funny. This is just mean and boring.
Not to everyone she isn't - but yeah, it's old news and doesn't need to constantly be shitting up threads.
Also I really want to win kathy's kiwi meatpack and I love that it's NOT EVEN A EUPHEMISM
Hey pals, how about, instead of dragging up all the same old bullshit drama, lets keep talking about NZ cosplayers we like! I'll start.
Sylvie is an absolute inspiration and I hope to cultivate a cosplay work ethic even half as dedicated as hers.
I was literally just coming here to say the exact same thing. If you think that people are nice to /everyone/ then you are mistaken. Even the nicest people in our community have had drama in the past and it is stupid to keep bringing it up. Personally I think they're great to be around and noone has to be nice to people who have treated them badly.
As for NZ cosplayers we like, I am a big fan and enjoy being around brooke, she has a lovely attitude and her costumes are well made and pulled off well.
Seconding Sylvie. Her craft work, attention to detail, and dedication are so inspiring. I also love that she won't take any shit from anyone and seems to have no trouble letting people know how she feels about them. I put up with way too much shitty behaviour because im too scared to call people out on it.