I want to buy this Atelier Pierrot jacket but am a little worried by the listed measurements. It says the bust is 84cm? I thought Pierrot was pretty roomy. That seems a lot lower than other outerwear measurements from them. Maybe it's the cut?
>>8690494 Not unless you're going to wear it hiked up to wear the dresses waist hits. I would suggest measuring from your waist where the petticoat will sit naturally, otherwise it will ride down to your natural waist and be too long.
>>8690687 That's kind of the point of the novelty items, though. It's to help with sales between releases. I'm bitter too- I just got my Secret Laboratory haul today. Might spring for some pieces from Witch in the Forest.
I made this hat for a Halloween coord. Concrit? My biggest thing is that the oranges don't go together, so I made a few bows with both the ribbon & the flowers for the actual dress to hopefully tie it together better.
I'm not really a crafter so this is my first time really dabbling in something like this.
I am temporarily back to answer any non-vendetta questions about China, Chinese lolitas, recent e-drama, weibo, and taobao. Quick recap
>AP Shanghai is having a teaparty and there will be more limited special sets, including a not yet pictured Misty Sky SP. >Lostnatsu is 6 months pregnant, it's a boy. >Some richboi on weibo is making waves by doing reblog giveaways for lolita dresses, Miku Xperia phones, figures etc. Some shit going down with another lolita saying he's showing off, and then insinuating he's not as wealthy as her. >SNH48 top 3 member who is also a lolita is a guest at the Baby teaparty, along with Midori and Akira >AP teaparty has no guests except for designers (so far?) >About 5000 shops and prints were revealed to be copied or traced pictures, including a prominent artist who has worked with multiple brands and for Nikki up2U >Also Nikki up2U is embroiled in a PR battle with alleged points stealing and credit faking >Nobody really cares about Horror Garden >Lolita developers made a lolita app called "skirt" 裙摆. Accounts are invite code only and tied to weibo accounts. Main content currently includes reviews of certain items, daily coordinates, and lolita brand updates with links to taobao where possible. Currently on android and iOS but only in Chinese.
>>8691348 It will be available for purchase at the teaparty and then open for online purchase by Shanghai store VIPs. I considered reserving Holy Lantern through the Shanghai store so I could get the VIP for the SP. But there's too many damn hoops to jump through so I just got it directly through AP online. Might get a friend to buy one for me instead. No pics yet, I'll update if I see anything. I wonder if it's going to be a new color or a new cut. But I can't imagine any new colors, maybe a gradient? But AP knows dem Chinese bitches love Misty Sky.
>>8691379 Eh my phone is dead right now. I'll post some screencaps later. There's no follow or search options right now, it's quite basic. There are 3 pages for Main, Review, and Coordinate. The main page is for updates and can be sorted by 国牌 (national (Chinese) brands), 日牌 (Japanese brands), and other. The Chinese brand section is quite handy because it lists whether the item is for preorder, final payment, or just preview and links to the taobao page. However we can't filter or follow certain brands/styles yet. A search option is coming. It's still quite laggy and buggy though, in its first version. No ads just yet. It's being run by a group of lolita programmers and IT professionals who work at ACfun, a Niconico-type Chinese video site. I've asked about international/English versions and they say they plan to release a language pack maybe in the future.
The KL teaparty is VIP and invite only through their private QQ groups. Nothing's been publicly posted about it. I'm honestly quite sick of their forced VIP and group restrictions lately.
>>8691379 I might post some screencaps and stuff later, but I don't want to get banned for vendetta again especially since I paid for this pass (and the previous one too).
>>8691389 Most people are shitting themselves over the Baby teaparty limited dresses, the ones that are like 2000USD. Between that and Holy Lantern most people are pretty broke, so it's actually a good time to scoop up some has-been popular series or too hyped prints for cheap. There's been tons of Castle Mirage and Luminous Sanctuary cropping up.
>>8691413 Because there simply isn't a large enough market in the US. Just by sheer numbers even if 0.0005% of the population bought lolita, China simply has more people. Add that to the growing middle class, a more pervasive idol and kawaii culture, and the fact that purchasing from brands is much easier in China. The Chinese SS market is cuthroat right now because so many people are clamouring for an already crowded market. When Holy Lantern was released all the SS's were falling over each other to offer better and better deals to get larger volumes of orders. They make their money off of the Union Pay 5% discount, student discounts, points, and secretly discussed rebates from the shop girls.
A few examples of some of the deals being offered by SS's for Holy Lantern and the Baby reservations >Free international shipping >No SS or handling fees >Only 5% fee for instalments until next February, with a 500rmb (80usd) downpayment >Lottery for girls who reserve with us, 1 girl will get her order for free!
cont. This is because most Chinese lolitas are quite young, under 20. So many don't have international credit cards necessary for ordering direct. The SSs fill the void by taking care of the bank transfers, the credit cards, and the shipping. All the transactions are done through taobao and weibo like regular domestic shopping. Imagine if you could place brand orders through a service on eBay or Amazon. Except in China eCommerce is much more pervasive and quintessential than eCommerce anywhere else in the world. With Alipay you can pay your credit card, your bills, your taxes, gas and electric and internet, register for a hospital appointment. On Taobao or any of the hundred eCommerce malls and sites you can buy literally anything. Reserve a manicure who comes to your house, buy fresh Boston lobster delivered live, order industrial machinery, or even a virtual date who greets you every morning and wishes you good night.
The point is, there are many, many more girls in China who are willing to spend the money on brand. And there is the infrastructure in place that makes it easy even for 14 year olds to buy brand. I see on here all the time "I don't have a credit card", "I have to go to the post office to deposit into my Paypal", "How do I navigate this brand site?" Chinese girls don't have to. I have a relative who lives in a podunk tiny town, she's in her teens I think? In America or Europe a girl in a small town would have an extremely difficult time buying any type of lolita clothes. They would have to go into town even to find a Hot Topic or whatever. However in China if you have an internet connection, you can do most anything.
Here's the full size poster from AP Shanghai's weibo.
>Shanghai store member limited >3rd Anniversary Special Events >3rd Anniversary time limited pop-up store >October 30th Fri - November 1st Sun, 10am - 10pm >All purchases of >2000rmb get a Celestial series limited SP can badge >Purchases >1200rmb get a random picture file > >500 get a postcard
>Event schedule >Oct 30th Photography Event >from 11 am to 3pm, Please pick up your photography reservation forms at the door >Oct 31st New item sales >Including Holy Lantern, Dolly Cat, Whip Jacquard series >Nov 1st Special set and Regular sales >Dramatic Rose SP 1000rmb (4 colors), Wonder Gallery SP 1500rmb (1 color) >Regular sales >Fairy Tale Forest, Flower Fairy, Sugary Carnival, University Series
>Surprise! >Oct 31st guests will get a free photography session >Original design wigs are sponsored by Monkeep taobao store, styling and clothes will be provided by AP Shanghai. >Oct 30th 5:30pm - 8:30 pm Angelic Pretty Designed Asuka will display new end of year designs.
P.S. 1. Only customers wearing authentic Angelic Pretty items are invited to attend this event 2. The sales events will include raffle tickets, please take your numbered tickets and line up accordingly 3. Because items are limited, each guest is limited to 1 set each.
https://hjjymm.taobao.comstore The taobao wig store in question. It's the competing store to DreamHolic.
>>8691449 No, Chinese lolitas don't know or care about overseas comms. They don't even care about Japanese lolitas outside of the industry relevant models and magazine spreads. On 4chan and in the west there is a distinct feel that people are interested in the social interactions of different countries (i.e. how Russians are much more strict about style, or the different types of meets people go to). In China they will look at how people dress, and how fat/skinny/pale they are, but not really care about the drama. Unless it concerns them. Like the last international drama that made waves was how Ista Mori was selling their Nameless Poems for 200+ USD on Clobbao, and the domestic price was about $50. However nobody was really pissed about the foreigners being scalped. It was mainly people being upset about the overseas only grey colorway.
>>8691452 I don't think they'll show anything that hasn't been previewed in Kera, but I might be wrong. Like how they showed the Fairy Tale Forest print completely unannounced before. Mostly it'll be the winter Chess print and the Teddy Bear one I think. It's tomorrow so I'll be free to live-post it from weibo. I'm sure they're saving the big whoppers for the Tokyo tea party though, like last year. Damn it's been a whole year since then huh? Like Milky Cross has been released twice in a year. Trippy.
>>8691457 No. It's the national past-time really. It's just that it's all internal. Most people don't speak English, and the country's so big nobody really cares about what happens overseas. The language barrier and the great firewall means nobody has access to Facebook, LJ, or Tumblr. Chinese girls are much more vicious when it comes to gossip. I got nermahammed before simply by translating a whole bunch of gossip and conveying the general opinion. But then again the general opinion of the general populace isn't that enlightened.
This internalization manifests itself everywhere. If you go to school in a predominantly Asian area you'll know. They don't socialize with outsiders even if their parents spent a fortune sending them overseas to learn English. There's a blog for overseas Chinese students, and so much of it is rampant xenophobia. "Why is she socializing with the demon folk 鬼佬? She has nothing in common with them. Does she think she's too good for us? The white people won't take her seriously anyway, they just think of her as some sort of pathetic clown. You need to rejoin the Chinese clique, only we know what's good for you." Other funny stories like a girl who went to the US for University, and an estranged middle school classmate (male) sent her all these texts after seeing her photos on facebook.
>why are you hanging out with these white men >they are monkeys, they just want to have sex with you, they will rape you >why are you wearing make-up >why are you wearing all these revealing clothes >you used to be such a nice girl >why are you such a skank now >only skanks wear make-up >you need to come back to China >it's okay I will forgive you if you can go back to being a good Chinese girl
>>8691482 Yea that's the thing. It all happens in Chinese so nobody knows. And Chinese people are extremely reluctant to convey anything personal in English. There's also a ton of shit about people who stay with host families in the US, Canada, or Australia; and have ridiculous basic problems just because they refuse to communicate or don't know how to communicate to the Westerners.
>>8691472 >those fucking texts hahahaha, my chinese friends in school would say the same shit to me and actually look down on me for wearing lolita- i still laugh about it. now they all pretend to like me and my "weird fashion" because i work for a prestigious company.
CG, do you think chinese comms would judge visiting foreigners harshly? in general i've been judged on my chinese a lot more than anything else.
>>8691472 >>8691482 Can confirm rampant Chinese xenophobia. It's very strange being a white blonde girl with blue eyes in China. When I studied there, people would shit talk me in Chinese to my face because they thought I wasn't able to understand it. (not to mention all the picture taking.)
Btw, it's really nice to see you back, Chinesegossip. I enjoy reading our updates and perspective. I do kind of have the same question as >>8691489 does, though. I'm kind of scared of ever wearing Lolita over there. I feel like I don't measure up to the Chinese lolitas. >tfw so shy in general and especially about speaking the language you stumble over all your words and embarrass yourself constantly
>>8691489 I'm a tree in the wind, so nobody even tries to say that shit to me cause I'll laugh in their faces and shoot it down straight away. Even relatives and gossipy aunties.
>Oh CG you need a man to tell you what's right and wrong! Children just won't do right without a father figure! >Just cause he's got a cock doesn't mean he's better than anyone. Nobody gives me shit ever again.
>>8691489 >>8691500 If you're skinny, pretty, can dress well (i.e. wear a matching brand set with no knees or shoulders) they will fall over for you. Even if they don't like you they will never say it to your face. You don't have to speak much Chinese, and the little that you do they will find incredibly amusing. However don't expect them to include you in conversations or make too much of an effort to talk to you. They might selfie with you a lot if you're pretty. The average Chinese lolita is super shitty at styling themselves and wearing make-up, so don't worry.
>>8691505 Incredibly slim to none. Shanghai is one of the richest cities in China, and Shanghai people are notoriously shallow and face-value. I've also said before that the consumers of replica lolita clothing are almost entirely separate from the actual lolita communities. It's the cosplayers and soft sisters buying the replicas. The community as a whole is pretty strict about shaming those who claim to be lolita but buy replicas. They're a little more slack about shoes and purses, but it's starting to become unacceptable too. A lot of local city lolita teaparties are actually also enforcing a no print replica rule. Often in the terms of ticket sales it will say "only authentic lolita clothing may be worn to this event, violators may be declined at the door". So far there hasn't been any big drama with people showing up to tea parties that had a rule in replicas. There's a big shame element.
>>8691425 >>Free international shipping >>No SS or handling fees >>Only 5% fee for instalments until next February, with a 500rmb (80usd) downpayment >>Lottery for girls who reserve with us, 1 girl will get her order for free! fuck give me the links to these SS i would use them for one of the Baby reservations
>>8691379 Another bilingual lolita chiming in. The skirt app is pretty shit at the ootd department, lots of unstyled hair and gross styling, and is pretty much only useful for the taobao brand update (which isn't a lot). There can be occasional good coords, but it's one in every ten coords posted. The repo section can be useful, but without a search function you get flooded with people asspatting taobao brands.
>>8692168 Nope. They only time they've contacted me after payment that wasn't for shipping was when I specifically sent an email saying "I've sent payment from ___@___, transaction ____". Even then, it was just "Thank you, we'll contact you with your shipping info soon."
>>8691447 Have you been to any of these sort of events in China? I'm mostly curious as to what the lolitas are like. Can they speak English/Japanese? Are the tea parties mostly conducted in Chinese with a translator for the guests? I've considered moving to either Shanghai or Beijing for work (my architecture firm has offices there), but I don't know the language (though obviously I'd try to learn). Idgaf about a community, but it would be shit if the tea parties were even inaccessible due to the language barrier (only know English and Japanese).
>>8692261 perhaps my internet connection is too slow? (in the room I'm in I'm kinda far away from the wireless router so the wifi is a bit shoddy) at first I was able to get to paypal, but then it wouldn't complete the payment. I would hit make payment or w/e but it wouldn't redirect to FJ, it would just reload the page. then I tried again by starting over from the beginning, but it wouldn't even redirect me from FJ to paypal. it just would keep loading or at one point I did get some kind of error message.
>>8692279 That sounds like it could be a possibility. Try clearing your browser's cache files (CRTL + SHIFT + DELETE) or (CMD + SHIFT + DELETE). Select all the options but the browser history option. If on IE, do not select the first checkbox. After it's completed, close the browser and reopen it.
>>8691521 I had my Dream Sky for a year before I realized it had pockets. Dem chiffon dresses be tricky.
>>8691544 Sure, you have to be able to communicate in Chinese and make payments through Alipay though. Some also take PP but there are usually higher fees for that.
>>8691657 I think I should like that dress but for some reason I don't? It's got all the motifs and colors that hit the spot like with Lucky Key and Wonder Queen, but it's just too busy.
>>8691829 Just not blouseless or sock-less. Basically don't be a huge ita, even basic bitch coords will be ok.
>>8692012 Yup, that's about it. You really get to see the general quality of Chinese lolitas, and it's pretty low.
>>8692126 Maybe. Does it require email registration n shit?
>>8692232 >>8692231 Well y'all don't need me anymore huh? It's damn cute. I already have Misty Sky in 3+ colors & cuts but still want want want. The collar is mega kawaii, but it looks like it'll be really unflattering on girls who aren't stick thin.
>>8692264 Probably noon Japan time tmr. Same as usual. Bit pissed they're releasing a Halloween print right on Halloween day. The rest of us won't be getting it until November.
>>8692277 >>8692277 Brand teaparties with overseas guests are really rare. The general consumer level of lolitas in non-first tier (Shanghai, Beijing) cities is still quite low. In the brand name ones the teaparties are conducted in Chinese with translators for the guests. But many lolitas already speak Japanese anyway. You can learn Chinese for basic communication, but there's a lot of slang that is used in lolita so it might not help you much. We have our own names for dress prints, and barely anybody knows the English names. If you can communicate in Japanese that's a plus.
What you really want info on is the local tea parties. These are organized by comm leaders, once a year or seasonally (Halloween, Christmas, etc.) It will most likely be a packaged semi-cheap afternoon tea set at some out-of-the-way cafe. The food won't be too classy (chips, crappy cake stand, wings, pizza), think children's party food. The price will be about 100rmb (>20usd) for a ticket. In Shanghai they might have gatherings at a hotel for tea or something, but it's usually just a small clique doing things together outside of the comm structure. It's bizarre how they will spend thousands on a dress, but moan about more than 50USD for an event. Scheduled events usually include photos, chatting, small gift exchange, and if you're lucky a fashion show or booths from local brands.
I have a dream of organizing one of those huge lolita conventions in China. Unfortunately everyone is so cheap they would never fork out a few thousand for a weekend of scheduled events. Maybe when I go overseas?
>>8691331 Hi CG-sama! I love you, so glad you're back. Come talk to us more often! A while back you talked about Lydia, a rich Chinese lolita. I saw some pictures of her mansion, jesus it's huge. Do you know what her parents do for a living? How old is she, and does she have any siblings?
Is Melva Yan dating a swedish boy? She always selfies with him. Do you happen to know what her parents do also?
this is probably a really dumb question, but is there a way to view all listings by a single seller on lacemarket? i see people saying 'check out my other listings' but can't figure out how to just view their listings like I would on ebay
Do any oldfags by chance have old secrets saved they could share? Like, I mean from the old loli secrets on LJ that no longer exists. I remember some real gems. My favorite was this one about a girl killing the cat she was baby sitting because it puked on her Innocent World. It got like 300 replies and people freaking out about it elsewhere.
>>8691432 Thank you for the very detailed and informative reply. I will now be directing my jelly and anger away from Brands and China and be angry that we don't have such a good online commerce infrastructure in the US. Most of our shit already comes from China anyway, why can't they make it simpler to buy.
I wonder where the models are from? I dont recognize any of them but they look Japanese? Did AP bring their own (unlikely), hire Japanese models in Shanghai, or just style Chinese models in a Japanese way?
The area was closed off to outsiders to avoid bystanders snapping photos. Chinese people are really rude about that. We will see tomorrow if it really is a private event. Apparently a bunch of normies were clamouring about the "cosplayers" and some aunties reading the posters about the teaparty tomorrow. We will see if the aunties try to crash the party.
I wore lolita to classes today cause I figured what the hell. I knew I was gonna get a bunch of "nice costume" comments but I still wanted to REEEEEEEE when people said it. I degraded myself and shamed mana and misako at one point just shrugged and told someone "yeah, I'm a bat girl" (was wearing that antique beast headdress) when I had to get to class really quickly. I have no one else to blame but myself for this hell.
But actually it was pretty alright, I got a lot of comments and explained the fashion to some people and I got a few people who knew what it was. I ran into a few weebs though. Got some cringe comments lol.
Anyone else wear lolita to work or school today or planning on it tomorrow? Tell me all the dumb questions and cringey comments or weeb horror stories you've got.
>>8693233 It's best that you're like 4-5 or so cm under the measurements of anything you're buying. Unless MT size is gonna be like 10+ cm, I would go for MT just to be safe. It's easier to fix something if it's too big.
>>8693245 I'm not wearing it to school or work but there's a general J fashion meet up that I'm going to in the spirit of halloween. I feel like it'll be a good time to go out in lolita for the first time since i wont feel too weird dressed up.
I wanted to wear lolita to work and call myself mary poppins (I had the hat, coordinate, jacket, everything). Alas, I also had a test that day so I decided against it because I wouldn't be comfortable for the test.
It was a pediatric clinic so of course everyone was dressed up crazy that day. So many ragrets.
I'm sort of new to JetJ and was thinking of buying a JSK from them, but the prices kind of confuse me. Would you say JetJ is a higher end brand than most? Do they generally use better materials than others? Some of their dresses are about twice as much as other brands and I've never heard why they're specifically one of the most expensive lolita brands.
>>8693296 They've been raising their prices more recently, but the quality is the same if not worse. Some people argue that it's because of the economy, or what >>8693308 said. Even their non-collab items have been ~50k+ yen though
>>8693245 Whenever I wear a petti out for lolita or otome, people always come up to me calling me Alice. I had one guy say that it must be fate because his favorite book was Through the Looking-Glass. Then he gave me one of those awkward hi-fives where the persons hand lingers for a moment as if they just wanted an excuse to touch you. It was weird.
I also had one guy come up to me during a school show and ask me if I was a lolita. When I said yes, he said he found lolitas hot and wouldn't stop staring at me. My friend caught him trying to get a peek under my dress as I bent down to fix my shoe.
Otherwise, I usually get a lot of positive feedback since I live in a city with a large arts-based community. Normies love casual JFashion and otome. I wore an Axes Femme outfit to work today and I had a few people randomly stop me to tell me I looked cute.
I have a question for those who have had bad experiences with AP's customer service. My situation is: >try buying horror bat bag, first purchase on my AP JP account >fuck it up, choose wrong payment option, literally can't pay no matter what >email them to have it switched >never receive any type of response from them >log into my account just fine today >no orders in history, just like it never happened, all else is well with the account
Shouldn't I have been banned for making that mistake or...? I never heard anything from them; they never answered my email, never told me I was fucked, or that my order was canceled, it's like it never happened. I'm wanting to purchase something from them, but I'm curious to see what happens next.
>>8693476 I did for a mbok auction for Dolly Cat jsk and otks. Turned out fine, brand new with tags and the otks were still in the packaging. You can get a ss to send them a message to put up a proof picture.
>>8693476 I bid for a full AATP Lost Paradise set and in the end it was great; everything came new with tags. I don't get why Japanese sellers are allowed to do that, but they do. You could win you could lose, decide if you want the item bad enough to take the risk.
>>8693476 I bid on a Dream sky JSK with no proof pictures (it was a BIN for about half of what it normally sells for). I read in the description that the front bow had come off the dress at one part, so I knew what I was getting into. The seller's feedback was great (not that that means much on mbok - it lets you delete bad feedback iirc), so I went for it. It was pretty awesome. The damage wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be - I just had to sew one corner of the bow back down and it was fine. Also the seller included the matching scrunchie.
>always wanted a briar rose brand dress >to my knowledge it didn't exist >discover secret honey's disney collabs >find pic related It just had to look like something you could find at primark for £8...and someone's asking 30k+ yen for it on yahoo.
Hey gulls! For a buisness class of mine we have to design an app and I made one with you gulls in mind. I'm going to need some "primary data" to prove that my app is something that would fill needs my target market has, so I made a survey.
Would anyone mind taking it and helping a fellow gull out?
>>8693591 The AP Japan online store has certainly banned people before, but I have only seen it from people trying to cancel their orders. I was just trying to change a payment method on mine and didn't want a cancellation, so I think they just let it go and canceled that order, based on what the other anon said.
>>8693607 That makes sense, whew. Looks like I really lucked out. So far everything looks to be functioning fine, but we'll see if they catch it later down the line or something.
>>8693720 Had the white OP pulled from my cart at the very last step. I'm locked in for red OP with my SS, though, so there's that. If I get a white one from US, then I'll be getting rid of the red. I'll post it here!
>>8693276 She's a primary or middle school teacher in Singapore, her husband also works but idk what. I think he's an engineer but I could be wrong.
>>8692823 Just found out the models are regular Chinese lolitas, and probably volunteered for the fashion show. AP did the styling and make-up so that's why they look like Japanese models. Their walking is so awkward though lol.
>>8693720 Could've gotten the black OP but I stalled. Didn't really want it that much anyway. Pissed that there aren't that many of the bat clips, none in-store either. I want to buy like 10 of each color.
>>8693728 This is what happens to me every time. EVERY TIME. It's in the middle of the fucking night, I set my alarm to get up, I feel awful, all I want is to purchase a dress, and it's always 100% pure frustration. I am conditioned to hate AP because I can never just make a purchase, no, it's always suffering.
Here's also a girl who bought Melty Cream Donuts and it had the authentic label and care label sewn onto it as well. It was from a second hand store, and she bet they got sold it by a Chinese girl who brought it to Japan. When they realized it was a fake they listed it anyway.
>>8693748 I don't either, but I guess a couple releases haven't been like this. Classic Fairy Tales, Victorian Tassel, and even the new chocolate print were pretty much all flops. AP isn't the best brand by far, but their popularity is insane, even when their quality isn't.
>>8693752 Oh well, it's like this for everything I would like to buy. There's still hope for an mto I guess... I haven't bought anything from them in such a long time because all the stuff I want is pulled from my cart each and every time I am trying to order it. And honestly, I love their stuff but I'm so bummed out each time that it makes me not want to order from them anymore.
>>8693750 >>8693758 One SS got me the red op, chibi might have gotten me the black jsk, if the first anon doesn't send you an email, I'll send you a email too. Please keep an eye out on the gen threads in the future once I get them in the mail or something. I am based in Aus tho, so if you're okay with shipping from this shit hole down under.
>>8693766 Anon with the throwaway email posted. Please do feel free to email me if you get both & decide to part with one. Both of those are colorways/cuts I'd be interested in so whichever is great. ! I'm also happy to pay your SS fees & the Aus shipping costs (I'm in the USA)
posts above and previous HL drama has got me thinking:
what everyone's opinion on people reserving spots with multiple shopping services and then ending up with multiple dresses later? obviously AP can't easily enforce this/investigate this in same way as they can the 1 per household rule.
>>8693825 Well. I'm the anon above with possibly two pieces , I did it because I wasn't sure if I wanted the JSK originally but then I wasn't really feeling it and found another SS to get the OP, but felt bad on flaking on the jsk SS. The JSK SS also said that she was going to try to get it for me but couldn't promise it so I was obviously too late in emailing her for a secured spot so I was panicking as well.
I don't intend to scalp (I haven't sold anything before and would rather not, since I've heard tons of horror stories thanks you gulls), hence selling it at retail and/or combined with ss fees + shipping if needed. Either that or sell it at mates rates to the comm girls that couldn't get it. That's if I even get the two! I just really wanted the dress in my hands in one form or another...
>>8693245 I wear lolita all the time and my county doesn't really do halloween. So I went out today in a county coord not even realizing the significance of the date until everyone started complimenting my costume, I gave up explaining after the fifth person asked what I was and just said 'Heidi'
>>8693245 I'm wearing Lolita to work tomorrow for a couple of hours to hand out candy to the kids, it's something we do every year. I live in hickville, so I really don't know how I'm supposed to respond to people who ask me where I got my 'costume' from.
so what would you guys say is the most expensive brand? I would say Innocent World is the cheapest with Jsks averaging 19,000 to 25,000 yen and Juliette et Justine is definitely the most expensive their Jsks average between 30,000 to 60,000 yen. I'm not sure where the others would fit in a list though.
>>8693825 I usually book more shopping services when I really want a dress to have more possibilities and in different colors/cuts to keep them if I end up having both..I think there's nothing wrong with it, you are not doing it for scalp but it's the result of strict brand rules. We live thousands of kilometers away, we can't even see the dress before choosing or buying it and only few pieces are available..we are forced to do this
>>8692716 I don't have it saved but I remember that one too. She didn't kill it intentionally but dropped it on the floor as a reflex when it puked, and the comments were one big hysterical discussion on whether she was evil for choosing her dress over the cat or didn't mean to hurt it and it was an accident. Then of course a bunch of people started calling troll.
cats have so much lead up when puking. They feel the need to gag for a full minute before lmfao. I've launched my cat away from me when she's started it on my bed and she's always been fine... Unless she dropped her down a stairway I have now idea how that would have killed the cat?
Anyway I grabbed some of the left over tights that were sitting on the ap website and paid fully with points It's a good feeling
>>8693994 Supposedly it was one of her neighbors tiny newborn kittens. Hairballs definitely involve a lot of gagging but when my mom's cat was sick a while ago she would just open her mouth and puke would dribble out. Fortunately I wasn't wearing brand because I knew he was sick.
Anyway I remember this secret pretty vividly and had no idea it was such a long time ago. Are you sure it was on l_s and not BtB?
>>8693825 I think AP makes everything needlessly complicated because muh exclusive brand. Everyone flips their shit and uses one or multiple SS do ensure their dresses, scalpers know they can make a profit off of dumb rich kids and I'm getting really tired of it all. I just want to buy your product AP, but it's close to impossible. SS are not an option for me, I already have to use tenso and there is an international (haha) webstore. Also, whenever I've decides what dress I want it's usually too late for a SS anyway.
So yeah, some people end up with multiple dresses, some people scalp and some people end up with nothing.
So how weird is it to contact a seller about a really old listing that was never marked sold and didn't have any comments on it (this wasn't on LM)? I'm really tempted to but I'm not sure if it's too rude to do it or not
Not all that weird. Just pm privately and ask politely if they still have the dress for sale, be prepared if they say "no" (they may have sold it on another platform, given it away or decided to keep it after all), and be aware that some of them might take a few weeks to answer you (some girls have seperate LJ accounts for selling, or seperate their lolita FB from their regular FB, so they might not notice the less-used account has a new message for a while).
Remember to ask for an updated proof pic since things may have changed since they last posted it for sale.
My Japanese isn't very good, the description is just saying that it's been worn with no signs of damage but not to bid if you're nervous about wear, right? It seems to be the standard description but I also tried Google Translate and it came out wonky and confusing.
>>8694152 Why? It's not as though they stalked you/your username. They probably found the page through Googling for the item. Normally it will be sold and when people do it on my posts I am lazy and don't tend to reply, but it's not creepy. Maybe desperate if it's older than a year at worst.
I need some informations about IW's Puppy print OP and JSK for a friend. I looked it up on Lolibrary and there they say it both come in M and L size. My friend has a bust of 100cm would any cut fit her comfortable?
Another question would be about the price. The skirt was on Lacemarket for 30 - 40USD but what would be a good price for the OP/JSK in pink? I've seen both on Wunderwelt but this shop is often a bit overpriced, any help would be appreciated.
>>8694230 Even if she was within the measurements, it probably wouldn't look very good. IW is the worst brand for boobloaf. So unless she has a small cup size it probably will be really unflattering. WW is a bit hit or miss with pricing. I'd say around $100-$120, it's not very popular.
>>8694291 Yeah, but the release was at noon and I emailed her around 6pm her time. Usually she resoonds right away, and I understand the delay due to the holiday, but I was wondering if she got back to anyone yet.
>>8694112 pretty sure they store your card info? and when you bid on something, you select which card you want to use and when you win, they charge you the bid + fees automatically. you pay shipping later and have the choice to consolidate items. could be wrong though, I haven't used buyee awhie.
>>8694344 aw congrats anon. it's such a nice feeling! I remember how happy I was to finally wear my first coordinate out too, because I had bought the main piece like a year or two prior but just kept being unable to wear it. finally got a complete coordinate together.
>>8694325 I was in the band for the measurements "dumbfuck" http://hellolace.net/wardrobe/innocent-world/type/jsk/item/44/ states up to 107cm, I have a 94cm bust and 26inch waist which is roughly... 66cm.
It's the cut that'll be the problem. I'll just have to bind a bit and hope for the best with some sort of bolero
>>8694373 Holy fuck, that poor cat. I don't think I've ever hated an efamous person before, but she's a delusional selfish cunt. Not sure how she got efamous, her face and makeup makes me really uncomfortable.
What's up with FromJapan? Their site has been shit since their "revamp". I wanted to withdraw my deposit money which was a total of 1967 yen but it only let me withdraw 1500 as I had made a payment of that recently. Why can it no longer refund the leftover parts of a deposit and only the whole? It's not a huge deal right now as I can use it later to pay for shipping fees, but users should still have to option of withdrawing it.
They also changed it so that you can't pay partially by points if it's an auction. Paying shipping fees and shopping service orders allow it though, wtf.
>>8694342 This, on both points to this. IW's tend to be cut in quite a tubular manner, with only small bust darting - herein lies the problem.. Great for smaller busts, just as other brands such as JetJ are ruled out. Just because someone is in under the measurements doesn't mean that something will be flattering, sadly.
>>8694387 >>8694398 ok but did it really need five secrets (likely by the same person) basically saying the same fucking thing? fucking samefags can't even make them even slightly different that said, and not in defense of kate because it was fucking stupid of kate, but if she does it she does it. it'll be HER fault if something happens and SHE'LL have to deal with the consequences (also any involving money). someone else's pet, including their therapy and care, is also really none of your business. THEY bought or adopted the pet, you didn't. fucking hell, call her a terrible person all you want but it's probably not going to change much (unfortunately) other than getting her to delete and we know she'll never do that. in the meantime you guys are probably just sounding like PETA to her.
>>>8694442 adding that there are also laws in place for people seriously abusing animals. if kate gets hit by those laws she'd have to deal with that then, but she'd probably have to be reported, and we all know no one's going to report her should she take that cat on the flight. unfortunately.
>>8694507 I got the red jsk, blackxgold tights, the masquerade blouse in ivory (really wanted the white but meh) and gold coffin bag from her. I wanted the black jsk but I emailed her pretty late into the release so pretty stoked I even got something at all.
>>8694470 >>8694475 This was also discussed in a few places using that wording, though, so I really don't think it was one person. >>8694313 I honestly hate IW for this. I love so many of their designs, but the bust cuts they put out are like titty torture tubes. I've had to sell a couple of my dresses by them due to large cup size, despite being fairly well below the max measurements.
>>8694454 Honestly, just taking the cat on the plane isn't enough for most groups to be interested in her for "abuse" charges, anyway. Shitty and irresponsible though it is to impulse buy a pet in another country and subject it to a long flight at a young age, most animal rescue and policing groups would probably laugh at you for implying that travel constitutes abuse.
>>8694579 exactly this. i even read the article the first secret was referring to, and either in it or in links it had there were tips for flying animals (including such animals like hers) by plane. sure, shitty and irresponsible, no one's arguing that, but "abuse"? people outside of the internet would laugh in your face if you implied that.
I don't know if this is the right place to ask this but I'm making an essay about hierarchy and status in lolita fashion and I'd like to know if any on you would like to tell me about how would you tell hierarchy takes place and affect relationships in lolita communities and this applied to the lolita community online? also what would you consider is the origin of looking for status in the community, does it have to do with having brand or other things like personality and physical appearance has something to do with all this? all this within your experiences and perceptions. I'd be really thankful! also excuse me for my english if something is misspelled or weird structured.
>>8694852 You could go to a hairdresser to get a new haircut and hope they're better than the last one, but that will make it shorter. So I don't know if you want to go that route. Other than that, I guess you'd just have to wear a wig.
>>8694881 Oops sorry I meant the jsk. When I tried the OP it sat really high up so I got the jsk instead. I had heaps of space width wise and it will probably stretch, but it is quite high waisted and the buttons could gap, so whether it'll look good/go over your boobs length wise is a totally different story...
Whenever I get ready for a meet I have this picture in my mind that everyone is going to dress to perfection and leave me in the dust so I make a serious concerted effort, and when I get there it's ita city far and wide. I had a meet and at least two girls had lipstick on their teeth, dresses were dirty or wrinkled, complaints about being poor, normalfags, weird table manners. My one saving grace being I can make small talk and just roll with it, but yeah, screaming on the inside, it's kinda disappointing.
>>8694992 Iktf. My comm does have a bunch of really well-dressed girls who post pictures of their great coords online, so every meet I have these high expectations. Unfortunately for me they tend to have private meetups and the public meets tend to be full of badly-dressed weeaboos instead. For whatever reason I just never learn. >tfw getting dressed to the nines just to sit around a mall food court surrounded by BL-chans squealing about how shmexeh their animu husbandos are >why do I keep doing this
>>8693296 historically, their construction was the nicest by far and they developed a reputation for being expensive because of special crazy OTT MTOs accordingly. not anymore though. Their quality has gone to shit and isn't worth it at all, and this is from a jetj oldfag (been buying from them since ~2007 but finally quit for JM this year because of the bullshit quality and prices of recent JetJ)
>>8694190 So we didn't get a good answer to this question. is it because you all don't know or?
Like especially if they are being sold on sites like mbok. Are any of you considering dialing back the amount of a hissy fit you throw when you see someone wearing a replica? Because that MCD... I mean, that's a dress I want. I don't want to wear the stolen art version. But just how the fuck am I gonna know until I get it and then my money is gone, I have to jump through hoops to get it back...
how much effort do you think the Brands are gonna put into this to keep the theft down? or are they already dying?
>>8695103 Lace has always helped me identify replicas in general.
If they post stolen photos or this becomes a regular thing on Mbok, seriously message Mbok or even AP about it.
From my understanding, it's just not really possible to do much about it if they're in China. However, Mbok should be able to take it down if they're a shady seller and you can prove it (Like that 1 negative feedback on a mysterious new account). AP can also legally do things against them if it comes to it since they're in Japan.
>>8695103 Jane Marple and Candy Stripper have had the problem of Chinese counterfeit items on auction for a couple years. They posted statements along the lines of "be careful when buying from auctions and secondhand, there is no guarantee the items are authentic and there has been a rise in counterfeit - to ensure authenticity please buy directly"
>>8694992 I have this issue too, I am never able to gauge the dress up level for a meet. Sometimes I completely overdress for a meet where people end up more casual and other times I'm the Bodyline-chan around a bunch of super well dressed girls. I don't even know anymore..
wow, for the first time I finally won an auction on yja. There was a small tiny bidding conflict (as opposed to a bidding war) but I fucking did it. I've tried my hand at a handful of auctions before but the price went higher than I wanted or it was probably going to get too high because me and another person were bidding and there was automatic extension, one time I bid on something but then lost and someone else with the exact same bid won I guess maybe because the seller was pissed I tried to snipe or something, and a few other times I kept losing by just like 100-300 yen, which was annoying. so yeah I'm just happy I finally won an auction. It helps that FJ's yja bidding is real-time.
It is supposed to be like an adaptation of an ethnographic report to an essay,I don't know if the essay thing is why you may feel reluctant to give me your views , I know in your countries that essays are made for school and not too exhaustive investigation but as I said before, I'm making this for college, what I mean is that I hope you don't think I'm not taking this seriously because I'm focusing in the topic of status and hierarchy but also applying other theories to it and my own conclusions of course, but I'm focussing on online spaces such as 4chan, because well yeah it would be really funny to cite 4chan, but the real reasons are the following:
1. In my country there's no existent comm , nobody really knows about lolita 2. so I can't interview someone in person, that's why I'm asking here, specifically here cause I'm actually a frequent lurker I've seen various threads that argument the topic . 3. Since it's is a complex organization ( it is fashion, it's a subculture, it even can be attached to a philosophy or lifestyle) it has a lot of social and economic theories to apply, it has a lot of scientific potential as a matter of study. 5. I want my grades. I kinda understand your skepticism on the topic but well the point of making my college essay about it is to take it seriously.
>>8695290 Yes, it's actually for 2 tutors they actually agreed with the third reason I wrote when I explained them a little about what I wanted to do with my paper. If not they would have asked me to change my topic. They seemed really interested since how I explained before is something really new in my country.
Does anyone recognize this dress? It's sold by Milanoo. I reckon it's stolen from somewhere, does the image ring a bell? The background maybe? I really like it and I'd like to own it, just preferably not for 90$ from Milanoo.
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