I think this is freaking hilarious. She stirred so much shit up with Anime Matsuri but so many brands and people are still attending. She self posted on cgl creating drama for herself ON PURPOSE and now she's jumping ship lmfao. Also now that she has been to Japan she thinks she is so beneath the western communities even though the Japanese are less inclusive and more brutal and the whole acceptance thing is western. Just lmao. I hope this means as don't have to see her face here and on CoF anymore.
My comm is holding a meetup at an outdoor firing range, which I honestly don't think is a good meetup idea. Not because of guns, but because we'd be wearing lolita, and lolita combined with a muddy outdoor firing range is a bad idea (plus i don't want gunpowder residue all over my brand) And yes we are in the south lmao
>>8699071 >>8699078 It's not even stains. I don't know about pistols, but rifles at least you get a lot of powder residue. When I learned how to shoot the teacher heavily emphasized wearing junk clothes you don't care about, washing your hands immediately and not eating food around recently-fired guns, keeping your "shooting" clothes separate from your regular clothes and a whole long list of other guidelines. Like I said, that's bolt action rifles, not pistols so I'm not sure how much more or less residue you get from pistols but even so.
If you had any crappy bodyline you didn't care about throwing in the washer to wear it might be fun though. But then there will be pictures of you in Bodyline with guns and it just won't be a flattering image.
>>8699105 I don't find guns "fun" or "recreational" but a lot of people do. In a place like >>8699083 the number of people interested in guns for recreation may be higher than in other areas of the US.
That said, I always thought it would be fun to get the most ita crap off ebay and go play paintball in it, so it takes all stripes.
>>8699108 Well, that's japanese culture in general. 2channel is ten times worse than 4chan in terms of toxicity and general negativity because it's a place the japanese can vent off as much as they want without worrying about their public image. Even things like mentioning you're in a tough financial situation is considered very impolite.
>>8699123 we've talked about this before but can someone show me a lolita thread happening right now (not the translated one from 2005) showing the toxicity of the japanese community? Because I'd like to see it in action. Or whatever threads the japanese community uses, idc.
>>8699227 but then pictures of us at the meet in bodyline coords firing guns is gonna show up online and we will all look stupid and it's outdoors which either means ugly rain boots or ruin a pair of matching shoes overall it's a bad idea and would work 50x better if the firing range was indoors, that would solve a lot of problems, but you still have the issue of gun powder residue
>>8699227 >>8699267 This is why I freaking hate Bodyline coord shaming. I get that its low quality, lots of itas, whatever, but sometimes you need to be able to wear something you can afford to ruin and still look fabulous. It's really good for everyday non meetup non photo clothing, especially if you do it well.
You seem to have so many issues with the meet idea, why even go? You either ruin your burando or look stupid. You can always ask the host and photographers not to put up any photos of you online. Most are very courteous about it.
>>8699696 Why are the Toronto girls kissing her ass? As mentioned, she's from Pittsburgh and they're keeping to themselves through all this. If anything, they're being played just because she was nice to their face when this whole thing with Lace, Girlyhoot, etc. has been an act.
>>8699725 It's so sad, Cadney keeps trying so hard to be relevant, but imo she only became famoose in the first place because she was one of the first OTT sweet lolitas to post regular outfits and she wore glasses. Now she has nothing to set her apart.
>>8699736 Not only that but for a while she was making a pretty good impact on lolita "politics." Then she became friends with Kate and some other efamous lolitas and slowly started letting things wash over her. Now she is bland with no personality and she doesn't stand up to bullshit anymore.
Alright people, take your drama to lolcow and lets get back to general comm discussion. Does anyone else have an issue with loud/inappropriate girls at meetups? At my last one, one girl was being extremely loud when we were in a café and we were attracting even more stares than normal because of that. I know its cliché but its important to me to have perfect manners while out in lolita, so people don't think we are some kind of socially inept freaks
>>8699929 >became friends with random people >be a dumbass/bitch all over social media >flounce >"friends" react poorly to bad desicions >omg all these people i only really know online are so mean and bullying me why can't they just be accepting! >FUCK DA HATERZ LEL >actually just bawwing
>>8699900 I think the most important thing for people like that is to speak very quietly around them and, if you're a friend, you can politely ask them to tone it down. They probably have no idea they're being loud and obnoxious. And if they do know and get aggressive becuase "muh strong womyn" (I'm an ex-sorority girl believe me this is a thing among women) then they're not worth keeping around anyway, you have plenty of reason to refuse to invite them to things because they are openly and intentionally obnoxious. This is rare though, they usually have no idea.
>>8699909 The western community is bad, the eastern communities are bad, the everything community is bad. We're all bitchy. People draw these heavy lines between west and east like we're not all lolitas in the end, like having a different way of handling our problems makes a blatant split. When people get upset, they like to redirect their hate onto another platform, and it makes them feel better to paint this villain and strike it down, like they're somehow a better human for it. We all do this sometimes. We all fancy ourselves victims from evil, like there is a figure we can dump all of our negativity into.
>>8699946 Try hosting a meetup at a location that needs a non-refundable deposit, maybe? Otherwise, i think it's not worth the effort if they don't want to improve/go to meets, it's their loss. Do you have a more reliable comm near you?
>>8699946 Make the meets smaller, like going to a cafe or museum. Collect money ahead of time if you're trying to do something like a tea meet. If you have a lot of itas wanting to attend, stress that meets are no-judgment and accept people for what they bring to the table. I am having a similar issue in my comm (I think a lot of the better dressers are keeping to themselves, or maybe even have checked out), just take it one meet at a time.
>>8699950 Oh, I wasn't trying to say the east was better. Asian comms will rip you to shreds. I'm just saying, she has a point. We do have a lot of shitty behavior that has become more "ok" than it was 5-10 years ago.
>>8699931 I think the secret is plenty of communication. Send lots of messages and love and make it clear you care and that these meets are important to you. Lots of "Hey! How's it going! We have x important meet in a week, am I going to see you there?" and lots of "we missed you at x meet! I wish you could have made it, I was hoping to see you." Like don't be overbearing and spam everyone with lots of "GO HERE DO THIS" but make it clear you care and that you value them as a friend and they'll feel more obligated to go lmao.
>>8699954 If I want to drive 5 hours, there's another comm. I'll have to try the deposit idea. >>8699955 Most of them are young in high school they are neets. I feel bad being mean to younger people. >>8699960 I did try to do that, we did have a some what successful meet up at a cafe. Like I said most of the girls in my comm are younger and I try to make each meet as "no-judgment" as possible. Since I implemented that rule we lost a lot of our better dressers.
>>8699981 >I feel bad being mean to younger people.
You can couch the way you say it to them, like "I try to put a lot of time and effort into planning meets for this comm, but it's really stressful and disappointing watching my efforts go unheeded." etc. You don't have to rip them to shreds, you can kill 'em with kindness. A lot of young people don't realize how much effort goes into stuff like meets/parties/whatever, and so they don't realize that RSVPing to something only to cancel is in extremely poor taste.
>>8699846 Do you seagulls mind if I translate a bunch of posts and make a new thread about it? Because there seems to be more than one thread talking about this topic and maybe keeping a single one dedicated to this "dark side" of japanese lolitas would concentrate things better. I could just drop down a bunch of translations here of course but it would probably derail discussions even more.
>>8700038 Go ahead. Could you make it a "lolitas in japan and China general" or something like that? I'm probably going to Hong Kong next year as part of my school's study abroad program and i wanna know what chinese lolitas are like
So, I already found a specific fukuoka lolita thread. Scrolling through the first posts and I mostly see them badmouthing a specific person and calling her an "old hag". I'm not well versed in 2ch lingo though so I'm not 100% sure how the story works, but I'm very positive about the offenses.
>>8699931 >>8699981 It sounds like your comm is really small- sometimes you just have to let things grow and make yourselves visible at cons, etc. to let people know you're there. Do you have a couple of core members besides yourself? You could spend some time developing friendships with them instead. A lot of people post about not being able to form real relationships in their comm due to its size.
Sorry guys, gotta rant. Kate either doesn't know or doesn't care about how much of a racist she's being, both of which are unacceptable. Using blanket descriptors to refer to any group of people, whether they're intended to be insulting or complimentary, is dismissing the idea that there are individuals within that group that having varying depth of character and may not actually fit the description given. And because she's drawn the "East vs. West" line, or as >>8700018 so appropriately put it, "Japanese vs. North American" lolitas" , it really speaks to how much of a delusional weeaboo she really is. It is 2015 and people still think Japanese people are all quiet, polite, pure little angels?? Give me a fucking break. Trying to justify this stupid hissy fit by saying one particular group is better than the other in any way is asinine and I just wish she had the maturity and willpower to stay gone.
Holy christ it's just getting worse and worse. This kate person must be reallhy delusional because shit like this: >35: こたぬき:13/03/17 22:45 >キラとルファエロと幽見た、キラは相変わらず汚いしルファエロは顔面詐欺だし幽はデカイしゴツイし悪い意味で目立ってた is just as bad, if not worse than /cgl/ because it's straight up meant to offend. >>8700091 http://new.bbs.2ch2.net/test/read.cgi/kotanuki/1362749253/1-100 Also translators won't help much because they use a lot of vocabulary specific to 2ch.
>>8700078 she's just trying to justify it herself. this is a simple tactic. "it's not me it's everyone else" grass is greener etc. only she's doing it on a huge scale based on incidences she has caused. i actually feel bad for her, i feel bad for anyone like that. with that level of both insecurity and delusional opinion of ones-self, but their nuisances and they need to learn and grow up.
damn, if she knew anything she'd understand that japanese society is clean and neat on the outside. they sweep all that shit under the rug and vent it out in small groups of friends or online. it's like going into someone's house, seeing their living room all nice and neat and not realizing their bedroom is a fucking wreck.
>>8698585 Ugh. I've been watching the latest season of South Park with my boyfriend and this shit reminds me SO MUCH of the "Safe Space" episode, it's nuts. Why are people surprised that the internet is full of meanies? What's so shocking about people pushing back when you push that hard for e-fame? It's the internet! Come on.
On the actual topic, does anyone's comm or friendgroup do thanksgiving meets? A few of us were thinking about putting together a potluck type thing the Saturday after Thanksgiving in my comm, so I'm curious what other girls do.
Okay guys, you wanna talk about Kate and a comm? I'm in the PGH comm. Let's talk.
I'm so glad that I won't have to deal with her anymore. I've had to quietly work against her for a while just to keep some friends sane. Most of that came in the form of well-placed secrets, /cgl/ posts, and gossip to try and manipulate opinions amongst her worshippers in the comm that she placed in elite positions. I met with only mixed success, as she didn't move to protect the comm or her friends, just her own fame. Now that she has voluntarily released her grip, we can repair the fractured connections to the many lolitas that abandoned the comm due to Kate's toxic hold and those who were straight-up ousted by her vehement insistence that anyone who didn't think she was basically god in frills shouldn't be part of the comm. Without her fame and clout, some of the admins can start thinking for themselves, which should be a good thing, as some of them are actually decent human beings that didn't idolize her, at least not when she wasn't around. Perhaps I can enjoy a meetup now without worrying what kind of bullcrap she'll pull next.
TL;DR- Kate was kind of a tyrant, and now those who are left can make our comm a positive one again.
>>8700137 That is a stupid reason to not want to join a comm of hundreds of people. Just people some people are friends with Kate doesnt make the whole comm shit. Frankly the whiteknighting is mostly Cadney and her close friends who are being played by Kate. They dont want to believe that Kate only was around them to get fame and attention. It is sad to see someone like Cadney who used to be rational be so wrong about how Kate is.
>>8699929 Kate is just being paranoid. Looking at the sheer numbers of who she unfriended, there is no way she 'knows' they all talked about her behind her back. 600 people according to her, and while idk if she met all of those people at some point, you dont have that much to purge without having purposely added people for networking purposes.
>>8700152 Someone like me or someone like her? Because the solution is the same. Be honest, be willing to take criticism, and don't be afraid to call out people who are getting too big for their britches. If you are afraid to say something for fear you'll be kicked out, you've got a bad admin. When you have to take a discussion underground, that's what makes secrets posts. And likewise, that's what turns good girls into someone like me.
>>8700152 what comm are you apart of anon? hopefully it's not the Toronto comm because i remember her saying that she wanted to move here but if what the the other anon said is true i don't want that kind of toxicity around here
>>8700155 >played by kate Really, friend? I don't usually get riled up but this makes me mad... pretty sure everyone in our comm is rational enough to choose their friends based on their interactions with them, not because they're being "played," what the fuck.
>>8700208 Could you be more immature? Namefagging does not make you *~less anonymous~* and some how less /cgl/ I get Cadney and Kate are your friends but if you could get yourself surgically removed from their asses that would be awesome.
>>8700219 I used to trip, would you expect anything less? :)
>>8700222 How so? I rarely wear lolita now so I truly don't see what the point would be, especially since I pretty much only ever hung out with Kate outside of lolita. But hey if you say so, those must have been totally contrived and fake interactions.
>>8699117 >That said, I always thought it would be fun to get the most ita crap off ebay and go play paintball in it, so it takes all stripes. ngl I've always wanted to have a meetup like that where everyone gets cheap ita shit and wrecks it in a messy activity like mud wrestling or paintball too
>>8700343 Yeah that looks tacky and edgy-tryhard. The only way I see lolita and firearms working is something along the lines of a redingote-inspired coord with an antique hunting rifle or one of those Tiffany revolvers.
>>8700352 >>8700375 shit I remember when shooting in lolita was the new popular thing for all lolitas to do, back when Aoki Misako said that she enjoyed shooting guns herself, along side Midori Fukasawa
>>8700394 thanks anon. i'm shocked stephany would bother to comment. From what i hear she's pretty chill. She's kinda right though, and I am also shocked that the Canadian Lolita's are not pissed about kate lumping them all in the same boat. They must not want to lose their ties. IMO I thought Kate was chill before today. I am not sure why she wanted to be the "FACE" of LACE but that was a bad move. well drama over for a bit perhaps?
>>8700394 >"What Kate said was wrong." >"BUT WE KNOW KATE AND SHE IS NICE TO US." They're the kind of people who say that someone has never did anything bad to them personally, so therefore they can't understand why others would be upset at the sweeping generalized statements that could be applicable to anyone who's not Kate's bestie or acquaintence. In other words, they're saying it's not their problem but at the same time want to shield Kate from the retaliatory feedback. It's like a bunch of high schoolers who can't admit wrongdoing, or at least be smart enough to not talk about it. I though this was a lesson everyone learned socially in high school? Are these girls sheltered or what?
>>8700407 >Stephany >Pretty chill Lol no she's a meddling bitch who doesn't know when to shut up. Wasn't surprised she commented about kate but glad someone as annoyingly persistent as her is arguing with the white knights.
>>8700417 good friends know when to tell their friend to sit the fuck down. none of them are good friends. 5 years from now when some of them leave lolita for life shit, they will all find out who actually cares.
>>8700429 ..when a person makes a statement and others give their opinions on that statement. Most people use it as a general way to improve themselves, or get butthurt. Where are you going with this exactly?
>>8700145 I'm about 2 hours away from you guys and in the group but honestly she's part of the reason i've never come to a meet up yet. She seemed like she would not be very nice to someone who was head to toe brand. I don't know how true that is though.
>>8699976 Ugh. You know, nobody has mentioned this, but Persians are very prone to FIP, which is a fatal, incurable disease that kills kittens. It's caused by the coronavirus, which can affect cats without causing FIP, but in some cases a very stressful event can cause coronavirus to mutate, causing the kitten to have FIP. It's literally one of the most heartbreaking things in the world to deal with. If the kitten does get/have FIP, poor thing might even die in quarantine, and she'll have at best a year to spend with her. It's just bad and selfish of her to take this cat with her on sooooo many levels.
>>8700407 In one of the comments Stephany wrote the reason why she commented was because during the whole AM ordeal, when Stephany was talking to her, Kate would twist every story about herself and post misleading info.
Kate was much more invested in promoting LACE than actually posting the truths of AM.
>>8700509 there's a reason images like >>8700370 exist. I think there are more out there somewhere.
My fiance takes me out shooting a lot, he's a collector and has a lot of historically significant firearms. I think putting together military themed coords with firearms would work really well and I want to do something along those lines personally, since his WWII era firearms would complement a sailor/dress uniform themed coord.
>>8700531 There have been some interesting releases by metamorphose along the lines of military styled Lolita, including their more controversial Nazi themed lolita releases.
Although, some of their sailor military style dresses are to die for. It just really sucks that they sell out as fast as they do, and then never reappear on the market again, not even lacemarket or other secondary markets.
>>8700531 >>8700532 Military styled lolita I think is a smaller niche in the lolita community. Metamorphose is the only name brand that I know of that releases the style regularly, but I know military style releases are popular with many indie brands like Infanta.
Has anyone ever played party games at a meet up before? My friend and I want to make our meets a bit more interactive. We were thinking a photo scavenger hunt or BINGO. I would really like for the grand prize to be something epic like brand trinkets, but I am on the fence about asking people to throw in $10 or something in order to come. What would be a good venue for that too? Cafe, rec center? Maybe someone's house?
>>8700544 For our picnic meets, we usually have one lolita that is stocked with board games and we'll play Headbandz or Apples to Apples or something. Cards Against Humanity if it's at a house and later on in the evening. Asking people to pay money to a game they didn't really agree to playing and is just for fun is a bit silly, I'd say if you want to award prizes get some cute cheap accessories from F21 and some cookies/candy. They're there for a fun meet, not to compete for brand.
>>8700475 Justin Bieber is "influential" but is super cringey, you can be cool in some areas and be an edgelord cringe factory in others anon. >>8700479 I have friends who make me cringe sometimes, just because something someone does is cringey doesn't make them a bad person. But it doesn't make their gun fetish any less cringe
>>8700469 its because they're closet /k/s in /cgl/ and closet /cgl/s in /k/. it only grew into more when that one Lolita was murdered and some seagulls asked about handgun choices and self defense which was around the time mugi-chan came out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OvWWfEOvYs
>>8700567 >I'm the only one who finds this cringy so it must be cringy to everyone else Fuck off >>8700570 Hnng, I'm planning on buying my first military themed coord this Christmas probably. I've been planning on doing it for some time
>>8700574 Then there's the notorious tripfag Fandre as well, although I do believe he's more trolling with it than anything, but at the very least, it does seem he knows a bit about the fashion... or maybe it's mugi chan just dressing him up?
I think it's pretty obvious from this video they are just fucking around with /k/ and /cgl/ at this point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udVwar3rcPk
>>8700601 I really want to attend a lolita con in military lolita, I've never personally met another lolita dressed in military lolita but I think it would be great if there could be a meet at a major con between other lolitas who enjoy the military style and can get some kind of group meet or picture shoot.
>>8700672 Looks close, but internally completely different. The PSL is based off of the RPK and it's completely different from the Dragunov. Mugi's got a video with close-ups and internal shots on her channel. It's definitely a Dragunov.
>>8700822 She believes in Kate being a good person. It's hard to hang out with someone who seems nice and wants to be your friend and see that they are leeching off of you. Instead you can say oh she didn't know better or was trying to help. Did Kate help at all with am drama? Or did she use her famous friends and lace to bring attention to herself?
I really had no interest in firearms before dating my current bf, and, naturally, he had no interest or knowledge of lolita fashion before he dated me, however, over the years, we ended up enjoying eachother's hobbies.
I think it's inevitable over the years. When you are sitting on your bed with your bf, on the computer reading about the latest drama, start laughing, and he wants to know what you are laughing about, you try and explain to him the best you can why you find something funny right? even if he's not in the complete know how.
Or when he's sitting there laughing his ass off over some video he found on /k/, and you snuggle next to him and see what's so funny. and continue to watch a /k/ related video with him.
The times you get super excited when you buy your dream dress and you just want to tell him about it. Or when he asks you want you want from Christmas and you tell him some lolita item and explain why you want it.
There's really no avoiding it, and eventually he got me into guns and I found I really enjoy them. I find the same humor he finds funny now when I watch gun humor videos with him, and at the same time, he's now gotten into Ouji/Kodona/Aristocrat and knows all the brands, how to buy online from japan, and will sit with me and watch deerstalker videos/ lolita related videos or laugh with me when we're browsing threads together.
We are much closer now than we were the first two years we dated, and I have to say that our bond really became unbreakable once we took interest into the hobbies we are both passionately into.
>>8700866 I think Kate got everything she asked for in regards to lace and her involvement with the lolita community, but I think the full on vigilante obsession that revolves her on cgl/pull/lolcow is too far. People make secrets about everything from her real hair to her husband, it's not exactly defensible.
>>8700916 This is really cute. I mean, I find guns horrifying and can't imagine living somewhere where they are commonly owned let alone seen as a hobby, but the sentiment you've written is just adorable. I wish you guys the best.
>>8700916 Oh gosh that sounds adorable. I'm sorry if I sounded a bit off but our relationship is long distance so sometimes it's harder than others. Even though we both have very different hobbies we still share a lot like our love of video games and books. We're both warming up to each other's "weirder" hobbies and we even want to go to a range together sometime
>>8700948 You know what's amazing though? You have this choice called "not sharing every little damn thing about yourself on the internet." By providing this, if you start presenting yourself like an idiot in some way, you can bet people will pay attention to the other aspects of your life you broadcast online and mock the mockable ones. She didn't need to have a wedding at a convention or whatever that lolita wedding was. She didn't have to make some great anti-bullying group. She didn't have to make a documentry about her feeli-I mean lolita. She didn't have to seek fame by trying to become friends with certain efamous lolitas. And she sure as hell didn't have to go through as much trouble as she did to share her life and pictures as hard as she did. But Kate wanted fame, and she got exactly what happens when you try to be famous without actually being liked.
>>8700948 It's out of hand. That RC Uncensored post now has that insane Japanese translator person and others just commenting random "facts" like that she's married to a Japanese guy or that she's living with a host. I don't like a lot of things Kate has said or done but I don't feel the need to analyze her every move or fish for details about her life. I wish people would find something else to fixate on as it's both creepy and boring.
>>8700948 Thanks! where I live, it's seen as natural. I can protect myself and enjoy my hobby with by bf and he can enjoy his along side with me. >>8700950 I understand that. Early on in our relationship it was like that I guess, but I'm really happy with the way it's turned out. Best of luck for you all! long distance can be a little hard I know.
>>8700970 Really? Like for real? I don't tumblr, so I don't know who it is from the piece of display pic.
She really has been out of lolita for a bit, desu. She doesn't attend meets or anything really anymore. But (and I know she goes on cgl, so I hope she sees this), it's a really shitty way to go about all of that. She's making it seem like it's her local community, Toronto, that's like this. Like, she's done attending meetups there because they're all bitches or something. Why would you slander your local comm like that, when you fully know that the majority of them are nice as fuck? I'm a bit far out of the city to attend very often, but I've BEEN to SO meetups, and I'm part of the FB group, and this is just some bullshit to say, because all the girls I've met (I guess aside from Lani haha) are really nice and helpful and stay out of drama and give people the benefit of the doubt & second chances all the time (Nadine, anyone?)
Yeah, the online community is full of shit a lot of the time, but setting aside that Kate created all of her own drama anyway, making public posts like this is really misleading and unfair toward all THE REST of the girls she knows irl that are actually part of the Toronto comm. At they all part of "this negative, toxic community"? You're gonna say that about the people you've been to meets with, whose faces you've been nice to while thinking all this shit about them in your private thoughts? That you are "so over" meeting up with them because they're all bitches? Because if that's not how it is, you sure as fuck need to find a better way to phrase your statement.
>>8701005 Kodona is a word made up by someone to describe their own style. I can't remember who. It's not used in Japan. It got picked up in the west for some reason, but doesn't really mean anything. Ouji is the right term.
Do these people who think the lolita community has gone rotten not remember getoffegl? It's always fucking been this way, it's just that there is no asspatting central command like egl to hide it anymore.
>>8701020 Ryutaro of Plastic Tree used it, but so did i think a fairy-kei designer recently. so yeah, not a real term.
another GLB scan showing "ouji" in use for what some Westerners might call "kodona." but they also use ouji/prince for a lot of things we would classify as aristocrat. in pic related it seems an inset box talks about Root's (the model in more aristo-looking garb) "ouji items" from the coord on the far right. someone with better kanjifu please correct me if i am wrong.
but even if "aristocrat" is not used much outside of Moitie by Japanese fashionistas, "kodona" absolutely never is.
>>8701022 Except we used to laugh at the idiots who flounced out of the community. Now no one can openly do this, no matter how right they are in pointing and laughing, because the Brown Nose Brigade of tumblr will make it their mission to make them miserable.
>>8701003 Yes for most people leaving is No big deal. Even milky fawn got very little about when she left. However the difference is that Kate doesn't want to leave nicely she wants to paint herself as the victim. She never owns up to her fuck ups. She watches cgl to see what is talked about and changes silently. Her glasses, her hair, her makeup. She pretends she is better than us but she responds to everything cgl says. She loves the attention.
>>8701008 I just noticed that she commented earlier up in this thread too. It's funny how people from Toronto apparently whiteknited Kate (idk, I don't go on RC:U either, since fb drama is too tedious), yet Lani goes ahead and posts that tumbl thing that partially smears the local comm.
>>8701035 That's the worst part about this whole thing, she's getting all the fucking attention that she's always been fishing for. She loves it too much to really leave. I'm sure she'll be back once the shitstorm dies down.
>>8700916 This is really cute. My boyfriend isn't into guns but he has his own set of weird hobbies that I slowly have gotten into while he slowly has learned more/gotten into lolita and j-fash. I think sharing hobbies is a pretty significant part of a healthy relationship.
>She didn't have to make a documentry about her feeli-I mean lolita
>>8701035 Milkyfawn got *some* shit leaving lolita, but it wasn't nearly this widespread and it seemed really vendetta-y at the time. But then Milkyfawn didn't try to make herself the One True Lolita of all North America, she was mostly famous for being in little short films with her friends. Kate wanted everyone to take her very seriously, which is why she's so upset that no one did so, at least as far as I can tell.
>>8701007 I totally did not read lani's post this way at all (fellow Toronto anon here, hi!). She made it pretty clear that she appreciates the good things that have come out of being part of the lolita community, like friendships, but that the bad parts (online bullshit) have reached a point where they outweigh the good.
I get the impression she'll still be attending smaller, friend-centric events and such, but she's going to avoid bigger meets where she doesn't already know people, in order to cut down on her interactions with people who might be gossiping or spreading shit online. There's been a general trend in the SO Lolita comm towards smaller meets anyway, partly because there aren't many good places for a bigger meet and partly because people prefer a smaller venue where they'll actually be able to talk to everyone.
>>8701029 >>8701035 The secret to walking away from drama is to just... walk away. Quietly. You will never get the response you want with a flounce post anyway, so why bother?
>>8701124 I can understand what she *probably* meant by her post (I'm no mind reader so I can't say with certainty), but calling "the community " toxic while in the same breath saying that she won't attend meetups due to this can easily be interpreted as her calling Toronto toxic. I'm, her not attending meets is entirely unrelated to this incident with Kate, and it's disingenuous for her to frame it that way and make it look like people I'll are not worth her time anymore because we're awful meanies Like I said, if this is not what she meant to write, then she did a bad job conveying her actual point (distaste for the Western ONLINE community)
>>8701166 Yeah, probably. I don't understand why you need to post when you're like that, though. Not everything needs to be said on the Internet. It's just really disappointing, attention -seeking behaviour. Especially when it tosses uninvolved people under the bus.
>>8700948 I too find guns horrifying, I've gone soft since moving to Canada but I feel relief knowing most incidences around here are going to be non fatal stabbings and not shootings. Also the reduction in suicide due to self inflicted bullets to the head as seen in Australia's ban last decade, toddlers accidentally shooting their moms, idiots with guns in general, gun culture is a bane.
>>8701169 I agree, when I get angry about stuff, I prefer to step away from the keyboard rather than say something that might come off the wrong way. But then, people usually don't make smart choices when they're upset - and as you noted earlier, one of the best qualities of the SO Lolita comm is that people tend to be chill and give each other a second chance when they fuck up. I feel like lani's done enough for the comm in the past and been nice enough at meets, etc that she's earned herself some slack about a cranky tumblr post or two.
>>8701193 True enough. Though I wouldn't say she's done anything for the comm desu; most of the people that have are lowkey, Cadney excluded. I'm a bit salty about it anyway though. I do hope she's reading this still after flouncing, and can understand why her phrasing was really shitty. Glad to see we have cool people in TO like you, senpai.
>>8701188 Not anon you're replying to but god guns scare me so much. I'm an American, and the fact that most people and most households have guns is so fucking unnerving. The fact that most of my crazy exes have guns is terrifying. If they ever decide to go an hero, it would literally only be q bit of extra effort to take me with them. I really wish they'd ban guns. The gun nuts should just buy replicas or something.
>>8701206 TO is a pretty lowkey comm overall, one of the reasons I like it so much. Lani did help organize last year's AN events including bringing over the Baby founder & designers, which I know was a ton of work & stress, especially since she had some awful life stuff happen right before the weekend and still pulled through like a trooper.
That said, I totally get feeling salty; it's a valid reaction to feeling like you're being lumped in with something you didn't actually do. Hope we get a chance to meet at some upcoming event! (we need some kind of secret bat-signal or something, heh)
>>8700452 She's in her early twenties, I want to say 23-24. Even so, she's hardly a child so age still isn't any kind of excuse. There are high school age girls in my comm who handle themselves with more maturity than this spoiled, selfish brat who thinks she's entitled to asspats and rages when she doesn't get them.
>>8701625 Do you realize it is entirely a he says she says situation? No one will ever fucking know. It could very well be kate posting >>8701249 and it is not "crazy" to point that out. It could also just be some other anon pretending to be the anon who posted it if it wasn't originally kate. We will never know but that doesn't mean I can't speculate.
So calm down, you shouldn't get so riled up about drama on the internet. Make like a Kate and walk away.
>>8701798 >>8701804 Exactly, she first started LACE because ONE person on here said they heard her poop and one or two other people lol'd. That was it. Then she flew into the LACE frenzy.
Alllllllll the other awful bullying experiences she alluded to happening (but never had proof to show) before the pooping incident were never enough for her to start it either. Nope, it was the poop that broke that camel's back. And when it didn't get her the coddles she wanted she flounced with the excuse that western lolitas are horrible.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little ita? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Lolita Academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Alice and the Pirates, and I have over 300 confirmed bids. I am trained in AP warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US region of lacemarket. You are nothing to me but just another bully. I will wipe you the fuck out with tears of precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that concrit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Japanese lolita communities and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, Mary Magdalene. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking ita, meanie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can whine in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands on the keyboard. Not only am I extensively trained in self posting, but I have access to the entire arsenal of tumblr and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable petti off the face of the continent, you little ita. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn mean girl. I will ruffle fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead to me, elitist.
>>8700407 Most Canadian lolitas do not give a single fuck about Kate, we laugh at her makeup in private but it's not worth getting involved in her social media persona over. Only her "friends" think she's worth defending or even posting about.
>>8699571 How is lolita not appropriate for a gun range? What about the people who dress up all period for reenactments, you don't think that they enjoy dressing up and all heading over to the gun range? It's not like they're going to be aiming at each other or treating the guns with disrespect. You can be respectful of the nature of guns but still dress up and have fun. I really don't see how lolita=definitely going to be disrespectful to gun etiquette. For one, they'd get kicked out right away if they're not following rules, and if they're really rowdy they would be banned for life.
God, you sound like someone who doesn't realize that guns can be used for only shooting target or hunting for food, not just for killing each other or self defense in the cities.
>>8698713 >back >>8698713 Honestly I couldn't care less. She hasn't been involved with the comm in months. I'm glad she left not because I hate her or anything but because she always seemed miserable and didn't want to deal with us. She wasn't a good admin and I hope someone who actually has the comm's best interest in mind steps up.
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