>>7027635 Not really. You see, they have healthcare now. So while they won't listen to the doctor about their diet and exercise, they'll have no problems taking up space in the hospitals to deal with their cardiovascular diseases.
>>7027658 We probably shouldn't have vending machines with soda and shit in public schools anyway. If kids can't be trusted with alcohol or cigarettes then they shouldn't be trusted with food with such high sugar content either.
>>7027571 I was going to "inb4 it's black people" but I see I was too late
I used to live in flyover land. Large, pink ham planets of presumably european descent abound. Being a normal weight is "how do you stay so skinny" territory. Clothes don't come in any size smaller than XL.
>>7027812 >Or you could have some self control Not him, but the issue (at my high school at least) was that the food was complete garbage and all that was available to drink was sodas from the vending machine. The school district had a contract with Coca-Cola for them to have exclusive distribution rights in all of the schools, and all of the food was from a contract service that heated up frozen pizza, fried chicken tenders, and french fries. I'm not exaggerating one bit.
After I got out of high school, I lost over 50 pounds because I wasn't eating garbage and drinking a Coke every day.
A big part of the problem is that parents don't let kids play outside or walk to school nearly as much as in the past. Now pair that with >>7027598 and you get lots of fat kids who turn into fat adults.
>>7028103 And those fat adults? They stay fat because unless they make an effort to go to the gym, chances are they'll be working sedentary jobs, and using sedentary modes of transport. >http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/38000/38500/38510/ch13.htm
Speaking as a foreigner, I'd say that there could be some sort of PSA talking about nutrition or how to actually cook using healthy ingredients. Say "Hey, try this this and this, don't slather it with butter, don't use margarine, try and cut back on soda", but I guess it would get shutdown by corporations. I think that the real issue, instead of banning stuff, would be to inform the populace. You can teach a man to fish, but if he doesn't know what to do with it, he might become Japanese, or something along those lines.
>>7028139 There is nothing wrong with butter. The body needs fat. I go through blocks of butter like some ham planets go through diet coca cola, and I'm in great shape. My HDL levels are crazy high. I don't know if that's from the butter or from my lifestyle. My doctor said whatever I'm doing just keep doing it.
Of course, I also bike to work and lift weights several times a week. And drink a little wine every night. By "a little" I mean like half a bottle.
>>7028011 This is the sort of shit that absolutely needs to stop. Schools shouldn't be partnered with companies that want to sell junk food to kids in schools, fuck them. They can buy that shit elsewhere if they want it but not in the school itself.
>>7027635 >>7027652 You're both wrong because that's not how natural selection works. So long as you live long enough to fuck someone and pump out more than two children, you are winning at natural selection. Fatties routinely live to forty or more, more than enough time to squirt out half a dozen obese brats.
>>7028215 But you also have to consider that these fatties are predisposing their kids to obesity or sometimes they're obese right out of the gate. That will reduce the likelihood that they will reproduce again for a number of reasons. They may not be fucked right now but they're setting their descendents up for failure.
>>7027977 meh the differences between mexican and whites isnt that large espeically if you take in income difference
like crime is largely an age affected statistic (blacks and latinos are about ~ 10-15 years younger than the average white person) obesity is largely affected by poverty. also for asains theres a genetic component, japanese women for example have the thinnest waistlines on earth and its largely due to genetics. and also i would imagine stress levels playing a big roll too for any group
poor people eat less healthy because food is usually only 2 of the following: cheap, good, healthy. being that humans have biological imperatives to seek out high fat and sugar foods and its literally like a drug to us, its no wonder why they would go for the cheap, and good food as opposed to something expensive and healthy and good.
cheap good food is possible but usually takes time to make which makes it not conveinent. who wants to spend an hour cooking after working all day at a minimum wage manual labor job?
to answer >>7027567 ops question, i think the solution in here. making cheap good food conveinant and healthy, hitting all the points that people want (or even not know they want as in they eat it because its good and cheap not because its healthy formost). the 20th century in ways was a race to the bottom who could make a the cheapest food that tasted good (mcdonalds using cheap condiments to mask cheap food, taking out all the vegetables). the 21st century youre seeing more of the fast casual approach (modeled after panda express originally? and seen in places like chipotle) this food is pretty good (near restaurant level) and conveinant, but not as cheap as fast food and not as healthy as healthy food. in order to make this work, it will have to be the best in almost every category, firing on all cylinders, it is possible but very hard
>>7028387 the other part of it is manufactured food, which to my contention getting rid of it isnt feasable in our life time and isnt necessary. whats needed is to keep pushing the healthier agenda in america thats already going on and the manufactures adjust due to supply and demand via the free market. youve seen this already going on with chips being baked, yogplait switching from high corn syrup to regular sugar (not to note whether HFCS is healthy or not, more so to show that the market is receptive to consumer demands/ concerns), smaller sizes (though this could be to economic gain, but when the numbers match (youre not being ripped off) it could be for health reasons), and popularized meme foods to the normie media market thats actually healthier for you (greek yogurt, avocados, oatmeal, coconut oil, etc) that slowly gets people to change diet through social popularity. the manufactures willl respond to this and keep on hammering it out until you get a market where the maority of the things are healthy (or healthier than before) and still taste good so people are eating better with 0 effort. price per oz or unit is usually the week point of manufactured food and probably wont go down because of profit margins, and they (the alrgest prodicers) can just charge what they want because of lack of viable competetion due to market domination, and economy of scale for smaller producers (lack of for smaller operations being able to produce within the same economy of scale as large producers)
It doesn't have to stop you from reproducing, it just has to slow the rate, or lower the chances that the obese would be able to reproduce, which it surely does. The question is how much the rate is reduced. If the forces which create obese people outpace the reduction in their number from a decline in their reproduction then natural selection is not a solution to the problem.
1.]Put labels like pic (lay's original potato chips) related on snacks.
2.]Teach kids in middle school that if you eat more calories than you burn you will become a fat fuck. Also teach kids what BMR is and how activity level affects how many calories you need daily to lose weight.
>>7028153 There may or may not be anything wrong with butter although the saturated fat content is a contentious issue. But butter and fat in general is the easiest way to add calories to foo without noticing it. A little fat is required but when half a cup of fat amounts to 1000 calories advise to be wary isn't unfounded. A spoon could easily put you over.
The problem is a lot of people think their food consumption should drive their activity. That's always unsustainable in the long run. It's easier to skip exercise than skip a meal on a day they don't exercise. Your daily activity should drive your calorie consumption.
Exercise should be for fun not a chore you need to do to allow you to eat Oreos.
>>7029755 No this is going to cause more problems than it would solve mein fuhrer. We simply have to educate the public about how many calories there are in foods and how many you have to eat to lose weight. There are literally millions of Amerifats that actually believe exercise is the solution to weight loss.
2 liter sodas should have a 1,000 calorie warning label, sandwiches should have a label telling people how many calories are in the entire sandwich. We also need to enforce education in middle school and high schools about "calories in, calories out" thing.
Never been to America but by my understanding the school lunch seems to usually be utterly unhealthy trash like tater tots and nuggets, with no veggies or fruits. If kids bring their own lunches it seems to be some premade snacks with a cup of some sugar water that they call juice.
It should start from kid onward, not letting them grow on shit until they're old enough to decide on their own meals, and then wondering why they make bad decisions
>>7029774 >It should start from kid onward, not letting them grow on shit until they're old enough to decide on their own meals, and then wondering why they make bad decisions This is why I said the public should be educated more, parents need to stop feeding their kids 1,500 calorie dinners to their kids. They should be taught that dinners need to stay around 1,000 calories. Chucking them in jail won't help them learn what they're doing is wrong.
School lunches at least in most schools are actually pretty decent. Lunches are around 800 calories and breakfasts are around 500 calories which is the optimal balance of calories until they eat their dinner at home. The problem is they introduced vending machines in high schools which have made kids fatter because of the easy access to 400 calorie dorito bags and 300 calorie soda bottles.
>>7029769 I don't know how it is in America but all food is clearly labelled with the calories, salt, fat, carbs, protein etc in large print on the front of all food packaging with traffic light colour coding to display if it is high or low in something, how much of that meets your daily allowance of that thing and for each portion.
This does nothing and you are being very naive. People are educated, people have been educated in proper nutrition for decades. It is a waste of time. People don't care because they are lazy and apathetic.
I thank Christ that social services get involved here if a child is too fat and look after the well-being of the child and removing them from unfit scumbags.
What do you know, it actually works too. So you keep feeding your children shit and watch them die of heart disease before you because of muh freedumbs.
>>7029769 When I was in school, health class was taught by the gym teacher. I can't imagine that has changed since then. Schools need to hire someone qualified to teach nutrition. I was in school back in the 90s and the nutrition portion of health class could be summed up as "Don't eat a steak, have a giant bowl of refined flour pasta instead." The sex ed portion focused entirely on the horrors of STIs and pregnancy, but that's besides the point.
>>7029774 The problem is that schools contract with the cheapest providers of food available. We love to get something for cheap even if costs us more in the long run. A lot of poor children are dependent on school lunches. Schools in poor areas already have financial trouble and can barely afford to provide books for students, much less healthy meals.
>>7029801 >each 40g serving This is the problem in burgerland. Companies will divide the package into small serving sizes in hope that the fattie won't realize that big ass bag of chips has 2,500 fucking calories >>7028693
If you explicitly label the whole package/soda fatties will know right off the bat that they shut keep their black holes know as mouths shut unless they want to die of a heart attack in their 30's.
>>7028472 I bet the cashier just gave her a strange look. I do that shit all the time when really fat people come in I'm like "yeah fatty of course your gonna get the large drink" >>7028476 Again bet the waitress just fucked up and fixed the drink first time she asked. But because she's fat and it was a diet soda it became and oh lawdy life as a fat ass is so hard.
>>7030219 ewww that thing doesn't even look human anymore. Looks like some ancient failed experiment of evolution. It amazes me how these land whales can say they're fat while being smug. They're not even fat anymore, more like super morbidly obese.
>>7030239 So people are more productive, so fewer people have to deal with obese fucks in hospitals, so fewer nurses break their backs (number one cause of nurse injuries, btw) moving fat fucks, so we can stop wasting time treating diabetes, so we can finally shut down tumblr for inactivity
>>7030254 >all employment is good maymay Because these fat fucks need special equipment and farm animal grade machines to move them. You can't just let your aunt take care of them, it takes multiple men or a crane to move a 500 lb person. And you have to move them around to clean them, deal with waste, perform diagnostics, etc.
It's not work anyone should be doing so frequently.
>>7030301 >>7030304 You don't have a point, just employing people to tend to fatties is ridiculous. It's not in any way a sustainable or even desirable outcome. Point out a single society that thrives because over 30% of their population is bedridden and require constant medical attention.
>>7030326 >I'm too assblasted to defend my weak assertions
Alright then. There is sufficient demand for healthcare providers without preventable problems like obesity even entering the equation. You've obviously never worked in this field before and I'm sure you don't now. Go ask any doctor, health insurance provider, or health policy expert if increasing obesity for economic reasons is valid or even sane.
>>7030406 Thank you anon. It makes me want to hurl when people advocate that being a fat fuck is okay. I used to be 300 lbs and I wanted to kill myself 24/7. I'm 200 lbs now but I literally feel so much better just because I lost all that weight. You better keep grinding hard senpai, I'm only 20 lbs away from you and I've started going to the gym while only eating my bmr.
>>7029828 Pasta is healthier than steak as a general rule though. To get the same amount of calories from pasta as from steak you'd have to eat an insane amount of pasta. And pasta is decently low gi too.
Stuff like chicken Alfredo and meatballs are what make pasta calorie dense. Pasta with tomatoes and veggies is remarkably healthy.
>>7030301 Your suggestion is akin to building shitty houses so they need more repairs. Or cars that break down a lot. More jobs for laborers and mechanics. I don't know if this is an indictment of your stupidity or capitalism that this seems like a viable way to go about things.
Fat guy here. I weigh 290lbs at 5'10'' and I only go to the doctor once a year. I'm 43 and I'm alone 95% of the time so in all likelihood I'll collapse from a heart attack or stroke and die without bothering anyone. Cost to insurance companies = 0.
>>7027635 >It's called "natural selection" No.natural selection works for things that would hurt you before you get kids. Fat people have kids no problem, since their problems only really start around 30 or 40.
>>7030621 >akin to building shitty houses so they need more repairs. No, it's watching people build shitty houses, and not telling them. And using this advantage to come in and give repairs for profit.
>>7027567 >that shitty feel when living overseas for a few years but moving back knowing that 50% of the female population is going to be absolutely unattractive and undateable because 50% are overweight
>>7032364 Well which Asian country? There not all super safe. Also honestly most Asian girls are skinny cylinders with no ass or tits. They defiantly are hotter than a fat chick but they aren't that much better
teach better nutrition in schools, cut out the "yay candy and junk food / boo broccoli" attitude in cartoons and tv, maybe build an economy not built entirely on sugar and fat? because a lot of the problem is capitalisms emphasis on branded snack foods in my opinion
Reminder that your body is an extension of your mind. If you cannot resist the temptation of gorging yourself on food, if you do not have the discipline to do anything physically active every day, what does that say about the rest of you as a person?
>>7033705 >capitalisms emphasis They're only popular because people like them and keep buying them. It's like McDonald's. I stopped eating there for a couple months and now I can't eat there without pissing out my ass. The problem is parents who don't serve their kids a variety of foods. The problem is parents who don't make their kids taste foods that they initially refuse. The problem is parents who let their kids eat "branded snack foods" all day instead of telling them how to make a sandwhich. The problem is parents who let their kids drink soda all day instead of limiting them to 1 serving a day when they need to be drinking milk, juice, water, etc. The problem is parents who eat a diet filled with refined sugar and high fructose corn syrup (which is a cheap alternative to the US's globally high sugar prices thanks to our agricultural subsidies) and raise their kids this way. The problem is parents not cooking food and teaching their kids how to do it. What you suggest is that "we" (government) should regulate businesses/media that caters these snacks to people who want them. Do you know what happened when they took junk food out of school vending machines? Look it up.
>tl;dr Parents are the problem: how will regulating businesses to change that?
>>7034760 >even in America low income get free treatment Are you talking about Medicaid? That only applies to people that are disabled, children, and the elderly generally. There is no "free" option if you're just poor, usually you have to pay some amount of money and often they don't cover anything except basic, minor treatments and doctor visits.
Can't stress cutting way down on sugar enough to people. Used to get way too much sugar, which primarily came from soda. It's really as simple is getting down to a level that your body can take because for the most part a lot of people are taking in so much sugar in a day it's many times higher than recommended. Stop putting so much emphasis on fat and low fat things guys, although you should certainly keep saturated low and trans completely out of your diet. Damn sugar, mainly sugary drinks, is what's making so many people obese
>>7034710 I feel you. I've lost a lot of weight, but due to my high-carb diet, I still stepped in to the diabetes danger zone or whatever the fuck. Since carbohydrates are the thing you're meant to stay away from most of all, most of the stuff I see everywhere holds no interest. This has also made me critically examine everything's nutrition and see how much sugar they dump in this shit.
On the other hand, there's no doubt this has helped my weight loss even more.
>>7035020 That and sedentary lifestyle. Since I came to Japan I have been eating more rice, no soda, yes chocolates and still lost 5kg in two months because here I can ride a bicycle everywhere without having it stolen or hit by a car. And I'm not even trying to lose weight, I ate 2 liters of vanilla ice cream with coffee jelly in 3 days. But I also like to check different supermarkets just to compare prices and I would make most of my shopping on one supermarket and them ride to another one just to buy milk because it is cheaper there so I ride my bicycle a lot.
Instead of all you faggots blaming niggers and fat acceptance bloggers, stop for a minute and think about why people eat junk food.
To get the required amount of calories in a day is a lot cheaper if you buy big macs as opposed to carrots and beans. Because there's been a class war for 40 years, there are now more people living paycheck to paycheck than ever. Of course they will go after the cheap filler because that sweet rush of sugar and fat will keep them alive for another day and is the closest they'll ever get to a vacation.
Now if the retarded government stopped being the bottom of the corn and soy lobby and actually subsidized food based on value, something amazing will happen. Junk food will be more expensive than healthy food. Therefore healthy alternatives will be sold in more places. Therefore the average person has a greater chance of surviving on healthy foods than unhealthy foods. It's not a perfect solution but it's the best "free-market" one we have.
The time it takes to prepare food properly could be another issue but making a salad is fast.
>>7037305 Nah, fastfood is expensive in Brazil, our minimum wage is a fraction of yours and our obesity rates won't stop rising. Now I'm in Japan and a big mac is actually a cheap meal but their obesity rates are much lower than in Brazil. All that soda and sedentarism is what makes you guys fat. I still eat a lot but I'm getting healthier here in Japan. Also the food in my university in Brazil was shit and there weren't many options available nearby.
>>7034780 No, not medicaid. If you go to a hospital/clinic associated with a college you can get free healthcare if you're poor. There's a university/charity hospital near my hometown that I went to for over a year for free, and the care was incredible - better than private doctors I paid for (savings, which ended up being a waste obviously). I had to wait a long time, but I had nothing to do and couldn't work so it was alright. The point is, I was taken care of. It could've been better with money (doubt it), but it was perfectly fine without money.
>>7037825 I live near a big public university and I can't do that, I tried it before. I can go to the clinics they have but I get charged, and I can't go to the main building for anything because I'm not s student.
Maybe you should learn how to control yourself then. Instead of ruining what I enjoy. I'm not even fat. How do you get so fat just from drinking soda? Do you drink like 20 gallons of it? I drink like 2 cans a day. That's not a large amount of calories. Maybe you should look at your food intake too.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the content originated from them. If you need IP information for a Poster - you need to contact them. This website shows only archived content.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content you can contact me at email@example.com with that post and thread number and it will be removed as soon as possible.