I got this baco noir because I had never tasted it before. I'm not sure if I like it. I hear wines described as "foxy", is that what this means? Maybe it will grow on me, I took a whiff and a sip the instant I popped the bottle.
Also, wine general.
"Foxy" replies to flavors associated with grapes in the labrusca species (like Concord or Cascade) rather than vinifera (basically all European varietals)
The taste is like Manischewitz or grape juice.
More sweet than dry, but packs a hidden punch.
It depends on what you like.
The Mosel-Saar-Ruwer is probably the second best region for Reisling and Gewürtztraminer in the world after Alsace.
Don't hold out too much hope in finding good reds, though, unless you like really, really light bodied wines sold as Spätburgunder.
Mosel is love, mosel is life.
I'm partial to traditional stuff myself but it's not cool anymore. They'll probably laugh you all the way back to the airport if you ask for JJ Prum.
If you want something that will impress the Germans ask for something made by Ulrich Stein.
Germans make really good pinot noir too, but they call it spätburgunder.
>second best after Alsace
good one, almost had me
Day 2, finishing the bottle
The weird traits are not as pronounced as they were when fresh, but the acidity is good and it tastes more like normal wine. Still with a hint of that weird flavor on the finish but I think I'm used to it now. The musky smell is mostly dissipated.
Wouldn't buy again but it was an interesting experiment. First Canadian wine for me too. I respect them for trying.
I work in beer but was given this by a wine rep as a gift. its 2009 vintage. is it worth aging or should i just drink it now?
>2009 Clinet – It’s fitting that 2009 turned out to be the best wine from Ronan Laborde, since he began managing the estate ten years ago. This beautiful Pomerol is packed with flowers, licorice, black cherry drenched in sweet chocolate, boysenberry, mocha and spice box aromas. Decadent in texture, with a wonderful purity of fruit and silky tannins, this is the best wine produced from Clinet since their dynamic duo of 1989 and 1990. 97 Pts
French wine is great but everyone knows Germany makes the best riesling in the world, objectively speaking. French riesling is for drinking with shitty Thai takeout noodles. It's better than new world riesling but that's like saying Bintang is better than Foster's.
Not a fan.
Everyone keeps telling me "oh you just haven't had the right new zealand wine, you should try this one instead!"
But as long as you enjoy it, my opinion doesn't count for shit.
Going to open a bottle of this tonight.
Never had a Cabernet Franc before. I got told this one is a good example of the funky character they can have when they are from the Loire.
Anyone else into Jewish wine, or is it just me? Shit's fucking good.
Holy shit this is good. At first, it almost taste bretty, like a Belgian Gueuze, with a pretty distinct green olive taste. Something like pomegranate (believe it or not) and sour cherries.
And hour and a half later, it still has that but toned down and the taste is much fruitier, with strawberries and maybe even raspberries. "Red Fruit" I guess. Pomegranite is red too.
Anyway, I like it.
Im glad someone agrees with me.
I find buying white wine very difficult. Much harder than red. I can drink most reds and enjoy them, even the cheap shit. But for white, not so much. I know if I pick up a bottle of NZ Sauignon Blanc for £7-£10, im probably going to get something I like. And at that price range, I dont feel the need to be adventurous.
Some wines develop, change, and demonstrate great complexity as they open up. One of those things you read about in wine books/blogs, and it's cool to see it happen IRL. Good on you.
I got into craft beer first, then whiskey, then wine. To be honest, I put off wine for a while because I honestly though there wasn't as much variation as people said, and it seemed more expensive/harder to get into.
I was wrong. Wine is great, and all the varietals do taste different (so far) and they do change after and hour or a day or two.
I even read a small book on it since I liked it so much. I plan on reading a bigger, more comprehensive book on it soon. Never felt like I wanted to do that for beer or scotch or whatever.
I'd like to learn more about wine because while I enjoy it, I always find it very difficult to buy it and usually end up just guessing and hoping for the best. Do you know of any good resources for starting on a general wine education? I'm lucky enough to not be completely in the dark thanks to my parents wine enthusiasm when I was a child but it'd be great to know as much about wine as I do, say, whisky (which I mainly use to shit up whisky threads).
If you focus on one country at a time it helps
New world wines are hard because you can literally put anything in a bottle and call it whatever you want
Europe is a better value and is much easier to make sense of due to the traditions and legal framework that protects the consumer
I'd suggest France, it has the most to offer and it's by far the best documented for English speakers
Samefag here. I went through the beer/spirits thing too; in my family, wine wasn't "manly". I'm glad found otherwise. There are lots of fun ways to explore wine. By country, by wine-producing region, try same varietals from different countries side-by-side, try varietals with similar characteristics side-by-side (acidic whites, tannic reds . . .). If you live in an area with wine bars or good somms, have them custom make a tasting for you - they dig that stuff. Regarding books: There are lots of good books out there, and a lot of garbage too. Years ago, I got a copy of The Wine Bible. There's some good information, but it's written so poorly that I barely made it past the first hundred pages (Imagine if Danielle Steele wrote a wine book).
I've heard it said that in Europe, the vintage is the star; in the new world, the winemaker is the star. The European laws level the playing field for the winemakers, and create wines that are really terroir driven (if 2015's a shitty year, because everyone's playing by the same rules, usually the grapes from the best vineyards will make the best wines). In the new world, the vineyard manager has much more latitude in how and when to irrigate, prune, harvest . . . and the winemaker has more latitude in blending grapes from different vineyards (as long as they're from the same area), how much juice they can press from a given amount of grapes . . . . That being said, at least in the U.S., you can't put "anything in a bottle" and call it whatever you want. Also, the European traditions and legal framework do somewhat protect he consumer, but they also make it much more likely that an off vintage will produce a lot of inferior wine.
If I had to pick one grape it would be this, not even joking