Why was the latest episode of Adventure Time so stupid?
Why are they trying to turn it from a fun show about a kid on adventure with his dog into a shitty ~deep~ artsy crap show?
The message was pretty easy to get, you can't force people to change no matter how much you love them. Even the last episode was more abstract than this episode due to the trials shelby's brother faced about greed. If anything this is one of the most down to earth episodes of this season due to the lack of surrealism and large use of character dialog.
Loved hearing tina and louise side by side in tjis.
I liked this episode, and I haven't really liked many this season. I guess I can relate to the idea of people doing hurtful things because they love you.
I sort of wish we had more of them
episode was alright, but kind of meandering
I think I would've been more pleased if they found a new dungeon and got dosh that way
I dunno, I wasn't very pleased, plus it made me think Kim Kil Wan was a fag
>implying you have any control over how other people live their lives
>implying that trying to change someone's personality or behavior is highly improbable
>implying you won't respond with "it's worth a shot"
depends on the person, I guess
This show sucked the minute Finn got his arm back
And then it hit rock bottom with the Breezy bee episode
The only worthwhile episode this season was the guest one, the rest of it's been fucking trash, this show's dead as fuck, end it or actually do something with your plots/characters for once
The obvious issue is that it's obviously done from the art schooly childish perspective of someone who doesn't want to "grow up" and it's meant to be immediately clear that Jake's son is a bad guy here.
I mean he's obviously supposed to have his own life and wants and needs, but his character was reduced to a bunch of flat gags. His wife and home show up in the last thirty seconds or so and he's never established as talking to his father or having character based around his own brief childhood.
It feels less like an actual episode and more about the writers working through their own daddy issues and worrying about being taken seriously.
There's an upcoming episode about the origins of the Ice Crown, so there's that backstory being touched on. Also, those two things you mentioned happened in the same episode.
Its all opinion I suppose but you can eat shit if you want. I stopped watching last season and caught the Finn's dad episode out of curiosity and was let down in the end.
I don't like watching something I genuinely enjoyed turn into shit.
And Flapjack ended for this so fuck you.
>origins of the Ice Crown
mite b kool
it better be some kind of ridiculous shit
like, some kind of ice magic dude freaking out that magic is disappearing from the world, and he's all "fuck that" and crafts the crown to escape fate
Also I might add I wish they would've just explained what happened to the world and kept doing Marceline/Simon episodes because those were the best ones post-Lich but instead we get Ross-Rachel tier shit with Finn and Fire Princess and forgettable artsy fartsy shit laced in twee jokes.
I still mostly dig the show
the latest episode wasn't that great, the message was solid but the execution was kinda lacking I thought
predictions for Marceline/LSP episode?
>LSP convinces Marceline to teach her how to prank
>LSP lets slip that she
>Marceline gets jealous and shit
>a shitty ~deep~ artsy crap show?
Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters. It's notable as a platform for talented cartoonists to tell their stories to a mass audience.
This is a show that has given creative carte blanch to the likes of David O Reilly, Graham Falk, Masaaki Yuasa, and Michael Deforge. And it's given careers to cartoonists like Jesse Moynihan, Tom Herpich, Steve Wolfhard, Rebecca Sugar, Natasha Allegri, Seo Kim, and, most recently, Madeline Flores, among others.
All of these people are creators in their own right. They all make their own comics or animations or whatever.
It's then important to view the show not as something with proper continuity. Don't form your opinion on each story based on your head canon or how the characters interact or what the general trajectory of the show is- all of that is basically set dressing for artists to tell their own stories.
Taking the show on an episode-by-episode basis, and in the context of the episode's story boarders, is incredibly important. Herpich and Wolfhard did Ocarina, for instance, and it's exactly the sort of story you'd see in one of their comics, (pic related.)
What I'm saying is this: Adventure Time has ALWAYS been a "~deep~ artsy show." It's a show that's narrative is dictated by a broad team of independently functioning cartoonists, not by commercial whims or editorial mandates from on-high. The show embraces free-form approaches to story telling in its world, which is where strange, unrelated one-offs, like last weeks "Little Brother" or last seasons Lemonhope two-parter, come from.
>implying anybody's gonna read all that garbage
I like the show, but goddamn
This is what CalArts faggots actually believe!
It's like by pretentious people for when it decides to be pretentious. Got it.
I don't even like the cartoon but if some kid like it just for the dumb silly parts then fine, it's a good kids show. Nothing that special.
you could say it's too much artsy
not enough farsty
>and he's never established as talking to his father or having character based around his own brief childhood.
They said, word for word, that they'd only met him twice before this ep.
Lighten the hell up, Anon.
I watched some of the earlier episodes, about when Finn met marceline, and when finn was afraid of the ocean
they seemed to have a much more "ADVENTURE IS COOL N SHIT" vibe than most of the new episodes do
this episode was dull as fuck, finn could've easily just gone and beat up some baddies, and got the treasure for Wwk to get their house back, and then at the end have jake give WWk the ocarina as a gift, after WWk refused the treasure and stuff.
the message could've been the same, but it was so boring how they conveyed it.
>proof my opinion wrong
>proof, my opinion's wrong
every episode is bad
If that happened, people would start complaining regardless.
>waah they always solve all their problems with dungeons and baddies
>they're not being original
>it's starting to be a formulaic cash cow
I watched it since the very first episode to the third season. It just got worse and worse, calling it "Experimental" is a shit excuse, they blatantly pandered to the loudest part of the fanbase for a long time "kids cartoon" or not.
what happened to fun
I feel sad now
>Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters
>Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters.
If you want to have fun, stay away from the internet. You had fun watching cartoons when you were little because you didn't go to a board filled with bitter young adults who dissected them frame by frame after watching. Ignorance is bliss.
or because it doesn't conform to their personal standards of what's "proper"
I like that they tackle friendship and vengeance as themes, sometimes
those are the best themes
most of the reaosn why adventure time sucks, is because its a platform for shitty calarts students to practice on
I actually think the majority of /co/ regulars have good taste in cartoons.
its not my fault your opinion is shit
>less core stories about adventurin' and more focus on who Finn will date and what nonsensical Lemongrab/episodes where the outcome doesn't matter?
I love the episodes about the history of Ooo and what happened to the world and even the alternate dimension Lich wish episodes but most other are too much about who Finn is dating even though the outcome never matters or some really "Artistic" shit where the outcome doesn't matter to the core plot.
I agree about the occasional one off episode being fine but not when its back to back to back like it has been in the past.
It just takes the focus away from the core world and comes off like it was nothing to me.
yeah. sometimes I wonder how seriously the writers take their own canon. giving finn his arm back after foreshadowing him loosing it for so long and doing it in an effective way felt cheap. decisions like that kind of baffle me. but for the most part I like the shows core characters and its general sense of humor so it has made the unimportant episodes enjoyable for me
Hmm Jake has a granddaughter
AND THE CATS AND THE CRADLE AND THE SILVER SPOON
LITTLE BOY BLUE AND THE MAN AND THE MOON
Nothing. Everybody knows what's going to happen after the "great war."
Money property and worth are temporary human concepts, created by manifested institutions. Once we break down the fake walls an barriers we've created and we all have to build back up from nothing, we'lll find money, work for profit, and monetary gain are purposeless.
>Kids resent Jake for not being with them
>When they all literally told him to fuck off one day after birth
Are they stupid? Do they think that they could form some kind of deep emotional bond from 1 day together?
>still being anally devastated about AT's tone
It's been this way for a while, you guys know that right? Just stop watching if it bothers you so much
With each new episode there is a chance that the episode will be enjoyable and an even smaller chance that the show will continue to be enjoyable. The only way we'll know is if we watch it
I'm very fond with this episode because it addressed a problem I had: Jake's other children
You know, the ones not voiced by Kristen Schaal.
It proved my thought about Jake as a father: He doesn't care about his other children.
Jake's stupid. This has been established since My Two Favorite People. He loves his kids, he's just dumb as a fucking rock and his children are adults/smart enough to be on their own
I don't think that's the right word for it. He cares he's just a manchild and a crappy dad who seems to think his fatherhood means being needed in obvious ways. He leapt into action for Jake Jr because she was in danger, the rest of the kids have their shit together for the most part/aren't in danger.
Jake cares about his kids but doesn't really know how to be a father without in your face physical problems like protecting childrearing or playing.
I just want them to go dungeon crawling and find cool shit. a marcie episode to spice things up, and bipolar bubblegum torturing some poor guy all beast mode, and then smiling and talking to finn all glee like.
whats the general consensus about the cosmic owl?
>Jake is a grandfather
>his granddaughter is 50% bear, 25% dog, and 25% rainicorn
Some serious race-mixing going on in Ooo these days.
This kind of post finally made me understand why most people on /co/ don't like AT anymore... this place is full of menchild, like absolutely full, so when the show tries something a bit, even slightly, more mature with a decent message they hate it.
The whole "good message" thing is something that kids shows should try more btw, kids learn more from T.V. than from their parents, sadly, and it's good to have a down to earth thing from time to time IMO.
>fuck up their life
Jake was happy as fuck until he come along, and to begin with he seems to REALLY hate capitalism, so I don't see the whole "fucking up your life" in what you said.
You know, it's more like a shit ton of people that go way to far to insult a show they really shouldn't care about that much.
If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you wanna be opinionated and go around saying how you know better, then do so, but don't start crying when people criticize you as well, this is a give and take thing, be a little more self aware.
>Why was the latest episode of Adventure Time so stupid?
>Why are they trying to turn it from a fun show about a kid on adventure with his dog into a shitty ~deep~ artsy crap show?
It's like you guys don't even remember how the first season of Adventure Time was.
>implying you don't have any control over how other people live their lives
>Marceline sold Finn and Jake's house for a musical instrument
Okay, they needed to write in a convenient excuse for losing the house, but that doesn't sit right. Marceline was only a callous vampire jerk initially, until she started hanging out with Finn and Jake. Also if you count Seeing Red as canon, she likes to only use her axe bass specifically, for sentimental reasons.
see, someone could make this post every week without even paying attention to the show or what just aired and there would still be people who agree with them. Every week. since like season 2. Every goddamn week.
It was about how his dad realizing the orcania might not be worth much, be he actually already made back more than the value of the purchase from the initial rent fees and the gold bone that wouldn't be there in the first place if his son hadn't buried it when it his yard, and would have been accepted as payment if it was noted earlier. His dad might have blown his savings once, but he's possibly learned his lesson there, has a lucrative if unsteady job adventuring and knows how to sell. That's probably better than he initially gave Jake credit for.
>go dungeon crawling and find cool shit
Well, we had dungeon episode not long ago.
>a marcie episode to spice things up
I'm on it with you, I don't even remember when was her last episode. An episode about her past would even better
since her present is filled wiith nothing but senile wizards, lesbian innuendo, lustful teenagers and daddy issues
I'd also like to see another episode featuring Finn's pation for violence. Maybe it could make him question how Mushroom War happened. Maybe it's a common human problem?
She sold the Finn and Jake's house to Jake's son.
It make sense she thought it was okay if the house remained in the familly. Was she supposed to know his son would pull some shit on his own father? Plus it was sweet rad guitar
>Marceline was only a callous vampire jerk initially, until she started hanging out with Finn and Jake.
I expect that comes and goes a bit. She only pranked Finn a bit outside of the house thing, so maybe being immortal and flying made her lose perspective of the value home ownership has to others since she can just find a new place to hang so easily.
>Also if you count Seeing Red as canon, she likes to only use her axe bass specifically, for sentimental reasons.
This makes more sense, though I imagine if it's an instrument she had her eye on longer than she used the axe bass she might make an exception.
Kind of surprised they didn't go to PB and ask to her declare imminent domain for her two strongest champions, but Finn and Jake don't understand law much less how to exploit it.
Forgot to add, one thing where Kim Kil Wan was being unreasonable was how he divided the house. He made no distinction between apartments and common areas, renting out the only means upstairs and making the bathroom a private residence.
>Kind of surprised they didn't go to PB and ask to her declare imminent domain for her two strongest champions, but Finn and Jake don't understand law much less how to exploit it.
Also, they are not really the kind to go cry to higher authority when someone bully them.
>The message was pretty easy to get, you can't force people to change no matter how much you love them.
Then why the fuck are they trying to change the show so much? Do they not love it?
They aren't. It's still the same silly show.
We just got Something Big an Little brother. AT has always been about alternating between big adventures and more silly things.
I'd say the only problem with the show is that we only get an episode by week, if we are lucky. It's an 11 minutes show. Adventure time would be much more enjoyable if they broadcasted two new episodes tail to tail each week.
>delete file to post it in the talkback thread since I meant to post it there
>talkback thread dies
Anyway, the ocarina not being hollow is another wind instrument not working, I wonder if there's anything up with that. Reminded me that Finn apparently blows a mean flute when he isn't using one full of twig.
You know I was going to make a joke about how he's not in the treasure room anymore, but that made me realize:
>Finn's love problems seem sorted out and he has a new sword
>the treasure room's cleaned out
>the War Elephant's gone
>Maja's plan is finished, and now she's stuck with a Demi-God
>Finn's Dad is off doing whatever, and it's implied that humans still exist elsewhere, just not Earth
>bits about the Willow Tree, and NEPTR, and stuff are sorted out
>Betty's now running around out there
And to top it off, we haven't heard any real mention of Season 7, where before we'd get news about two seasons in advance before Season 3 was done.
Are they starting to wrap up Adventure Time?
He's going to sleep because he's about to turn into a Wish Master like Prismo, just as Finn or Jake or somebody traveling time pops in and needs a wish badly.
It's not a new sword, it's the one from "Still".
I hope they really are wrapping it up, it's for the best it goes out with a bang instead of trudging along for another 10 seasons.
>he has a new sword
It's an old sword, besides grass sword is still there.
Ten more would too much, but depending on how things are wrapped up I don't see how a seventh necessarily wouldn't be a good idea. Not to introduce more stuff, just to wrap thing sup more slowly. I think what's left might be better off handled at its own pace than rushed.
Or how so many people kept wanting the show to get all deep with the various elements of Ooo's history (Something Big) and make Jake's kids less of a cop-out disappearance (Ocarina).
actually what will really happen is a mixture of fallout, mad max, and Dredd.
societies are made from scrap using pseudo currency people can get behind and eventually bigger cities will emerge to contain massive amounts of people, out side those cities rouges and travelers battle for resources.
3-700 years later, we recovered completely.
900 years old and yet great grandparents in the time span of less than half a century. No wonder they have a whole crystal dimension to live in, they're almost like fast agers in Docking Station.
>Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters.
lol what? That's what it's known for, primarily.
>all of that is basically set dressing for artists to tell their own stories
It did not used to be, anon. The influence of individual boarders become more and more prominent over time, and I think it's gone overboard now, personally. There's a profound lack of coherency, and I think it has hurt the show. Especially because they do try hard to keep the show's continuity functioning, and that's ridiculous when every boarder is going in a different direction.
I want to punch everyone involved in this episode in the face
This is bullshit
btw I agree that the show has always been artsy (that's good), but only recently has it become pretentious. It's too aware of its own messages.
Originally, the show took typical morals of kids' shows and violated them and turned them around on purpose. That gave a certain structure that made season 1/2-ish really special.
You can't change the status quo Anon. Without retarded guards there'd be less conflict. i.e. watching a banana guard spend 30 seconds trying to do something it sould be able to do in 5 seconds.
I'd like to add that the guards are not relevant in the great scope of things. 99% of the time the guards couldn't help even if they were competent.
In other words killing Root Beer Guy off was a display of prominent ignorance and supreme stupidity.
But it did change, the guards got *dumber* over time.
In You Made Me they were smart enough to understand that they had to keep Lemongrab's visits a secret if they wanted to keep spying on him spy on other people, and their old captain was this kinda cool guy with a mustache. In Root Beer guy they fail to put clues together and by James II they can't even recognize a face from a photo.
If the status quo can change in one direction, it should be able to change in the other.
Should be, but it's just entropy. Stupid characters get easier laughs, so characters gets stupider and stupider. It happens in most long-running cartoons.
Characters never change in a way that's more difficult to write, since that would require conscious effort.
It's a problem that they have a character who is kinda designed to be stagnant. He's cursed to be stuck like that forever. All they can do to "develop" IK is change his relationships with other characters.
I would have advocated Simon as actual character, trying to adjust to the future like Betty supposedly is (someplace where we'll never see her). But that boat was missed so hard it exploded.
Read the left page of comics from the top down, then started reading the ones on the right and wondered why he was doing things so similar to what was in his dream. Was kind funny to realize I was reading it wrong, I wonder if it was organized like that to make it seem more like Ice King made it, like the part he made in the AT Encyclopedia.
There's been no mention of season 7 at all?
Why doesn't somebody ask, certainly they're making it now if there's going to be one. Unless there will be a hiatus that's like, 6 months or longer.
It's something that tends to happen, but it does go directly against the stated reason for RGB's death.
What if Simon returns by becoming a cyborg or something, but but the parts that are removed re-form into Ice King? Would go with the precedent of Composite Princess and Ricardio. IK could even thank Finn for taking Simon out of him, saying it made him crazy and worry about things other than ruling the Ice Kingdom with an icy fist.
When I first heard the spoiler, I figured they were gonna milk it like a dramatic event.
They way it was actually handled makes me think there was some problem with the character. Either the VA or the character's existence interfering with already finished plots.
lel, so they'd rather kill off an interesting, useful new character than change the thing he was introduced to change? Seems a clear indicator of the staff's insufferable attitude. The banana guards aren't even that funny, guys... that schtick is already old.
Where's the sauce of that info?
Either way, why in the world would they value keeping the retard banana guards over the chance for PB to get a more competent army? If they're trying to play up PB's dictator history and general evilness, why not keep RBG by her side. He was one of the few candy people who was not clinically retarded, and they kill him off just like he's nothing?
The relatively new (season 4, I think?) development of the banana guards being idiots is mildly funny, at best. Well, maybe 10 year olds disagree.
WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOOOooooo
>The banana guards aren't even that funny, guys... that schtick is already old.
This, Finn giving PB some perspective on her kingdom was good but the guards themselves felt a bit forced in places.
If hope they don't force in "comedic relief" like that because they fear kiddies getting bored. Because that would be sad.
It's probably not that though. The staff just thinks the banana guards are so goddamn funny that there's no way it should ever change.
Assuming that this rumor is even true. Where's the source?
He's right that this is what the show is NOW. It's like an experimental ground for each writer to explore their own issues through these characters, and do stuff that strongly resembles their personal work.
But he's wrong that that has been the main draw of the show since forever. A few years ago, the show hung together better as a whole product. You usually couldn't tell who was writing. Now each writer has their own pet interests and sense of humor and special characters. It's artistically free, but it's also self-indulgent.
Hi /co/. I have a problem with Adventure Time. How come it isn't written specifically for me anymore? Have they forgotten that I am their core audience? I can't help but think sometimes that they think other people are also their audience. How do we fix Adventure Time so it's made just for me again?
I don't think the staff thinks much about their audience, really. They do what they want. Which means it's not dumbed down for kids-- there's complexity that adults love. But there's also enough bullcrap to piss off adults and bore children at the same time.
>everything but 4chan and 4chan associated things is hipsters or bullshit.
Which is ironic considering that most of Anon's posts are kneejerk hipster bullshit. There are a few Anons that actually put up a good opinion whether it be contrary to mine or not, but that is rare indeed.
I thought it was great too, if not for how close to home it hit. I think it's just one of those stories you won't be able to fully enjoy if it isn't personal to you in some way and boy did it feel personal to me.
>Moving out for the first time in my life soon
>Have no fucking clue what I'm doing with my life beyond that
>Really troubling relationship with my father, he's too stubborn and ignorant
>Still can tell that in his own weird, twisted way he still cares about me to some extent and just wants me to be able to move on and do my own thing
>Despite already being ready to move, he gives me an eviction notice as a misguided attempt for "motivation" that comes off as petty
>Literally got it an hour before watching this episode
I wont lie, I teared up a bit during this episode.
GUYS GUYS GUYS
Aren't we all forgetting something serious that needs to be discussed?
Jake's explanation of the origin of laws.
So bullies can keep the weak in place?
What the hell are kids going to grow up thinking after being exposed to this?
Clip from next week's episode.
I think Steve Wolfhard's 9deep10u writing (this latest episode) is more irritating than Jesse's brand. It's cutesy in a way that makes me kinda ill. But it does help if you can relate to the message being delivered >>63738547
>has written all the duds of the past 2 or 3 seasons
No way, jmoyns saved season 5.1, imos. Only recently am I starting to not like his work so much. Anyway, I can tell he's still trying really fucking hard, and that counts for a lot. Breezy was like this crushed condensed cube of symbolism.
Anon, you couldn't have said it any better. fuck these /co/mrades. If I grow up with a show, then I want the show to grow up as well.
They didn't have Joshua to teach them.
They learn that dogs don't really know law very well, even when their friends are law makers.
They didn't make law to stay in power because they can do that anyway. The laws were made to make the weak better servants, which helped the law-making strong defeat the lawless strong.
We don't know, there's no way to tell fur sure whether any of those guys would help him breath for any reason.
But there is a place near where I live called Martin's that makes bread. I'm not sure why I thought the Internet was a good place to reference arbitrary local things.
i liked when jake got kidnapped by that demon and had to fight that dog prisoner and rainicorn saw, and thought they were having sex. jake explained
"i didnt even have any blood in me". I got it, kids would not. was it even intentional? i dont know, but its just another example of "AT is not a show for kids"
Oh right, those. Those are sold all around the US.
But seriously, was there not an interview where Adam Muto said Finn's dad would be featured in the first third of the season? Finn being depressed for awhile over his absent dad isn't the same thing at all. Fucking hype, always wrong.
You mean, like, as a boner joke? Not sure. I think he was just making up an excuse for why he spent so much time with that girl -- he was too tired to get out of the pit because he had lost blood. Originally the ep involved him almost doing the adultery thing, so the nervous conversation was still in there.
The problem with adventure time is that it's become bloated by all the sideplot hooks it's been building up over the years, and is now spending all its energy trying to wrap them up half the time unsatisfactorily.
It's like any comedy series which eventually degenerates into nothing but self-referential junk.
If they're going to follow overarching plots, I wish they'd fucking focus. Laser focus on a couple of long arcs, ending in either the show changing forever, or simply ending. I like continuity references but their approach doesn't feel satisfying anymore. I get the impression that they're mining the past for ideas and scraping the barrel. Self-cannibalizing with references.
Some of those angles were really cool, and that entire bit at the end where they were talking and having a really mundane conversation but we were so far away we couldn't hear anything... It was weird and unusual and really cool.
I'd say it was more just spoofing the way lessons get spelled out in an obvious way at the end. AT doesn't do explicit "This is what you should do." lessons, but always fit in episodes as part of the characters' personal lives. Ocarina was being particularly personal about Jake's life, but there wasn't really a spelled out lesson. "Never buy property without getting the deed to it." was made pretty clear, though.
Also, I wish I had a screencap of of Finn being fat with THE END appearing over him right now.
The reason for AT's demise is that the show is no longer fun to watch when stoned. If a show is fun to watch when stoned, it's also somewhat fun to watch when not stoned, as in something simple, innocent and crazy. However, now the show is an attempt at artsy hipsterism in a children's world and the concept just doesn't work.
Some of you might remember the funky cops show. The reason why it failed was about the same, it had no target demographic.
Shit is going to go down.
I miss the time where were no lessons or just parody of them. Who the hell needs these fucking lessons? Like anyone will remember them after 10 seconds.
>Aren't we all forgetting something serious that needs to be discussed?
>Jake's explanation of the origin of laws.
>So bullies can keep the weak in place?
Best goddamn part of the whole show. I think it's great to get kids thinking about stuff like this. Hell, most adults need to be pushed to think harder about stuff like this.
It's not like pushing skepticism of the legitimacy of government is something new in AT, either. It provides a rich set of metaphors for understanding ways that sovereign power can be abused or become ludicrous. I think AT is as good as Gulliver's Travels or Alice In Wonderland for expanding minds.
That *was* a fucking stupid episode, wasn't it? It didn't make much sense, even in the context of the show and tried way too hard to be something AT never was.
If I wanted a cartoon about hamfisted social commentary I'd watch Southpark or some crap.
Honestly, ever since the last few episodes of S5 tried to wrap up as many plot threads as possible the show sorta started loosing me.
Counterpoint: I was watching it with my niece, who is nine, and her only reaction to this was: "Well, Jake is lazy and kinda evil, so what would he know about laws?", dismissing the whole edgy commentary right off the bat.
That's something, too. When these sorts of ideas are entirely new to people, presented to them by interesting friends maybe in college, they can fall for them in naive and simpleminded ways.
She's learning to question what she's told, even from people she likes. It's an important lesson that people you like can be flawed and have weird ideas you don't have to agree with.
Most of the staff are hipsters that prefer listening and pandering to a small, vocal minority on places like tumblr and deviantart trying to force it to be more than it is than just general viewers.
Goliad is a masterpiece for this. She kicked a lot of ass by using force, and Finn had to sit down and think about why what she was doing was even wrong, since it worked so well.
>No, Princess. Bee cares not for flower. If getting pollen hurts or kills flower, bee would not care. Bee is stronger than flower. Goliad is stronger than bee. Goliad is stronger than all.
>actually meant to be taken seriously
None of it is meant to be taken seriously. There are constant reminders not to take it seriously. You are watching this show in entirely the wrong spirit.
The next batch of episodes (presumably in August) includes Evergreen, an episode detailing the Ice Crown's origin. Pic related is from this episode.
There's also another one called Nemesis, which deals with a guy who wants to remove a great evil from the Candy Kingdom. But is he taking about Bubblegum, or Peppermint Butler?
I'll be amazed if they have the balls to DEFINITIVELY state that she's evil, or a threat to Ooo. So far they just want to dance around the bush so somebody can always argue
>PB did nothing wrong
Peppermint Butler is hardly even evil. More like lawful neutral black magic practitioner.
For fuck's sake, /co/. This entire thread is unbelievably depressing. You're so buttblasted that AT isn't what you wish it was anymore that you refuse to even try and see value in what it is now. Or you just can't, because apparently most of you can't into story analysis/tone/subtext.
inb4 there isn't any it's all pretentious hipster nonsense give us back our fun kiddie adventures forvever
>none of it is meant to be taken seriously
Psychic Tandem War Elephant was not meant to be taken seriously, but you wanna tell me again I Remember You was a joke episode?
A show can be both at different times, anon.
I can hate some things about the show and love other things.
>here isn't any it's all pretentious hipster nonsense give us back our fun kiddie adventures forvever
There's definitely a middle ground. AT was never just kiddie adventures, anyway. It's always been rich in subtext and inverted morals and all that good stuff. That's why it gained an adult audience immediately. But currently the writing pushes too hard with the morals sometimes, and it's hard to stomach.
Not a "joke episode", but still not something to take seriously.
It doesn't matter whether it makes you laugh, makes you uncomfortable, or is intensely sentimental, none of it is serious. It's all a very silly fantasy show.
This. It's the same with anything of artistic value. A balance has to be struck between themes and the action. Both have their merits, both are inextricable. Adventure Time is at its best where the two compliment each other. It's been far too heavy handed recently. It's easy to favor one, and quite difficult to balance.
For one thing, t's easy to favor dry, talky, philosophical moral pieces because it's easier to fucking draw.
For me, the show has tipped the scales so that it's now more fun to discuss than it is to watch. They put so much cerebral content into it that I have to think about what they mean, and a lot of meaning is uncovered by talking about the symbols and such. But as for action and snappy dialogue and crazy visuals? Especially of the non-symbolic variety? Much less than earlier seasons. That was the stuff that used to make me fucking giddy to watch this thing.
>I Remember You/every episode like it was not serious or intended to be viewed seriously
That's so bizarrely stupid I don't even have a response to it other than christ, is this the level of delusion AT fans will go to, to hang on to their fun times kid show?
>For one thing, it's easy to favor dry, talky, philosophical moral pieces because it's easier to fucking draw.
Except that doesn't necessarily follow at all, and the art and animation is better than its ever been
I thought AT fans were supposed to be deluded that it ISN'T a funtimes kid show?
Has the hipster attitude flipped because the mature themes are now so incredibly obvious?
I guess it's more slick in places, but the animation will never be as energetic as the first couple seasons. It's shocking to go back and watch it, how fast the pace is. Modern AT is fucking molasses in comparison.
The important thing here is that you've found a way to feel superior to people taking either the position that the show is serious business, or that it isn't.
Bravo. I bet you have a wonderful life.
I actually think so, yeah
Go watch Little Brother or Something Big again, then give me an episode from earlier seasons that matches up
Those episodes had great art direction, Little Brother especially. The backgrounds were awesome and the Rat King was a definite highlight. I think it's one of my favorite episodes period, although I don't think the song/reunion at the end had quite the build-up it needed.
I love AT, fuck all you haters.
I dont exactly know what the lemon hope half hour episode was driving at. It seemed like it swung back and forth between individualism and altruism and i didn't get which it was favoring exactly.
I think black-and-white worldviews tend to be unrealistic. The srs-bzness level of the show depends on the writer. Some hope their deep ideas are actually absorbed by the audience, because they're baring their soul on the page. Others see a silly thing to do for a paycheck. Xayaphone is apparently off his rocker.
There is no comic/cartoon so perfect that /co/ wouldn't bitch about it. Actually the better it is (and the longer it lasts) the more people bitch about it. This is why the layman perceives (correctly) that /co/ 75% jealous haterz.
If the writing was just was good, sure I'd love more classic AT.
But it's not. If the writers could handle it , I would prefer they dive even harder into plot. It's too wishy washy still. The fear of change is strong.
Whether the show is GOOD is not related to which approach they take. People set up this false dichotomy
>why don't you like the show anymore, don't you like it to be mature? You asked for this!!
Yeah, but the execution can still suck.
>the execution can still suck
Oh, for sure. But I'd argue that it doesn't. At least not nearly as much as /co/ makes it out to. Or, not for the incredibly shitty reasons I'm seeing /co/ give.
Of course they would. It would placate a lot of people, but this is 4chan. AT has the level of popularity that someone's going to call it shit no matter what happens.
>But I'd argue that it doesn't.
understood. I just want people to stop arguing that being critical mean you don't like the more "adult" direction the show is trying to take. There are plenty of problems to point out regarding HOW it's being done.
Anyway, the show was plenty adult-friendly from the beginning imo. It was adventure-of-the-week, yeah, but it had this subtle as hell layer to it. I didn't need PB's evulllness shoved in my face to see her moral ambiguity, and I didn't need war history shoved in my face to understand the post-apocalyptic setting.
The worst part is from a legal standpoint, the treehouse doesn't even reside in Candy Kingdom territory, so why would they have to pay taxes? That's like if I live in Canada and have to pay taxes to America. Also, I think a detailed map of Ooo and the kingdoms should be compiled, as they've introduced enough regions for a map to be warranted.
Like most of S5's episode towards the end *and* some of S6?
>Lemonhope and all the Lemon people
>Cinnamon Bun (...and good riddance)
>Root Beer Guy
The question I have here is. Why? Why rush all those great characters and plotlines out in a hurry only to put in a episode where Finn&Jake get evicted/forced to confront the realities of life for a grown-up or one where Finn is acting like a douche (yet again). It makes no damn sense to me, and I am not even taking the fucking food chain one into account here.
Individualism, maybe. Not feeling obligated?
I don't really get why such a paper-thin character got a 2-part episode out of nowhere, filled with personal dream sequences and symbolism. Unless the character was more of a vehicle for an idea. That's a dangerous thing.
The second two points are fine but if you're gonna use a buzzword, "hipster" is better then "SJW" to describe AT. AT is special because it's progressive without being bitter or angry.
I love it when people try and criticize things they can't even fully describe
>character as a vehicle for an idea
>what is superman
Execution is everything.
>implying the execution was good
I thought that ep was groan-worthy self-important. A two-part episode with a large fraction occupied by symbolic sequences, including the "boss fight"? Visions of the future meant to underscore the importance of the message? iirc the show has never had a flashforward before.
We had just met that character, and we're never going to see him again. I think I GET what was being said, but I don't think it was worth all the time spent saying it. The show has managed to communicate similarly deep messages without all that fluff.
watched it just there, came here to make the same thread.
Well, he's told that he's foolish for thinking he can be free while ignoring the plight of others. So he does the bare minimum duty for his people, and then feels good enough about that to leave forever. I'm not sure if we're meant to think he's truly free at that point... I'm leaning towards "he's not". Or, they're trying to say that that whole concept of "duty" weighing on your heart is a bunch of bull and the kid doesn't deserve that shit.
I guess I would need to read someone else's breakdown.
>There are people who actually think current AT is as good as it was in the beginning
I don't know much about literary symbols, so I'm not the best person to definitively answer "what it all means".
I'm sure the ambiguity is there to get you thinking/talking about the themes, which isn't necessarily a problem...
She's always acted like a selfish teen. That didn't change even when she became friends with Fin. It's not like they were going to die, so I could totally see her not giving two shits if she inconveniences them so long as she gets what she wants.
I'm liking the one about All the Little People. I guess I'll read them all.
It's an accomplishment that these long analyses don't even come across as bullshit, because the show tries that fucking hard to be a goddam onion.