What are some times series made fun of their fanbase?
I know PPG had Utonium and Keane hook up in one episode because they are such a popular pairing. The episode did nothing to shippers.. And the teenage scene was supposed to make fun of fanfic writers writing the girls badly as teens, yet everyone took the interpretations seriously
First one that comes to mind, full of absolutely one-hundred-percent true Usenet comments about Animaniacs.
>was supposed to make fun of fanfic writers writing the girls badly as teens
Before continuing is there any statement on record that that was the intent?
Because there is simply too much groundless speculation that something in a cartoon is a comment on something from the internet.
well, you won't hear from them "yeah these fucktards are too fun to read over DA, but we are tired of their pedo shit so we just made a teenager episode for them to wank to more mature girls"
I don't have an official source to link you to but I've heard that repeated several times. Fanfic writers always girled them up and made them basically just sit around drooling over the Rowdyruff Boys and having generic high school adventures... And they still do that, well over 10 years later.
I remember an episode of Samurai Jack where Aku was telling stories of the EVIL SAMURAI and the kids ended up doing their own story at the end that encompassed pretty much every trope in the series. Maybe less poking fun at their audience and more self-aware humor in that instance.
I *think* the creepy collector basement dweller from PPG was a reference to something. I was a little girl at the time so I don't know how popular PPG was with older people.
TLOK had that hikki airbender guy
This one is so obvious I suppose it didn't need to be listed, but it's what OP wanted, and they took it up to 10.
>puerile love triangles of needless drama
>weird sexual fetishes
>excess and orgies
+ other crap I can't remember.
This one touched on many bases.
Wait, so there is a fandom for an anti-ship?
The fanbase of Adventure Time mostly consists of masochistic Tumblistas and self loathing man children who get off on the idea of netorare with a young white boy.
He got NTR'd by Cinnamon Bun for fucks sake
>He got NTR'd by Cinnamon Bun for fucks sake
I just checked to see if there was any porn of CB NTRing Finn with Flame Princess.
There wasn't as much as I had hoped.
Also, the MLP comics had a scene with some sort of fat and stupid ogre or troll that liked to collect toy horses.
>The fanbase of Adventure Time mostly consists of masochistic Tumblistas and self loathing man children who get off on the idea of netorare with a young white boy.
Oh, and of course all the ACTUAL children that enjoy the show.
It's funny how often this fact is forgotten by net fans.
>Also, the MLP comics had a scene with some sort of fat and stupid ogre or troll that liked to collect toy horses.
Can't get any more transparent than that.
Well done comic writers.
Phineas and Ferb has a few songs where the lyrics are basically "Yo, stop watching TV and go outside and play you nerd"
>I liked it because I thought it portrayed forced social interaction as essentially meaningless and potentially damaging.
then you are one of the few
i'd say everybody saw it for what it was: making fun of a retarded fanbase
I saw a kid sitting in a mall the other day with his mom. He was blonde and wearing a fin hat with those little ears and had a huge grin on his face. I almost laughed out loud. Not because the site was particularly funny (it was), but because it suddenly reminded me that I had just binged on children's cartoon and that yes, there were actual kids out there that watched the show.
South Park made fun of fanfiction writers and shippers pretty obviously once.
Honestly, considering the leagues upon leagues of South Park shota and pairings shit there is, I really would have thought Trey and Matt would have done it sooner.
The Barney movie had this kid antagonist named Cody who tried to prove to the other kids that Barney wasn't real (real dinosaurs can't talk or laugh, etc). Too bad the writers weren't self-aware and decided to make him support him by the end of the movie.
There are some things a person shouldn't know.
I remember watching a video saying that they made that episode because I think they were holding a contest for kids to come and see the studio, but instead it was a bunch of older men and women from a fansite that came instead.
Barneyfag, just admit you like FiM already.
Like, no one is so dedicated to hating something that they not only know everything about it and have watched it all, but that they've also watched all of another show they don't like just so they can force comparisons on the two.
You're literally the biggest autist I've seen on this site.
What does this count as?
Can't forget this episode
The Dexter's Lab episode was funny because it made fun of both sides; it was making fun of Barbie fans and Star Trek fans. The Powerpuff Girls episode was basically just a one-sided beatdown on a caricature.
>you keep using that word.jpg
NTR implies cheating. It's not NTR if they were already broken up.
Especially considering it was entirely Finn's fault. Finn did that to himself, you're an idiot if you blame Flame Princess. Don't blame the flame.
I'm not saying it's a "positive" thing, I'm saying he was an exaggerated caricature. It was like one of those MS Paint opinion comics where the artist depicts his opponents as fat and loud.
Flame Princess deserves a gold medal for her exemplary judgment and courage. Not only for leaving her abusive boyfriend, but also for having a pure heart, a heart overflowing with forgiveness; we should commend her having the fortitude and wisdom to look past Finn's masculine weakness, to cherish the new friendship born from the ashes of his disappointing treachery. It takes strength to forgive.
"It takes strength to forgive." -Princess Sevenleaf
The "romantic pairing" in question have a brother-sister relationship, let that sink in for a moment.
now consider that this is the Sonic series making fun of the Sonic fanbase.
if that isn't hilarious I don't know what else is.
Finn's about as abusive as Scott Pilgrim and while that would indicate something, it's not that much.
But, more importantly, I don't think people were pissed that Flame Princess rejected Finn. I think they were more pissed at Finn being shown up by Cinnamon Bun of all people. I can understand FP not wanting to be with Finn. The "Cinnamon Bun" thing, however, was complete bullshit.
I don't give two shits if they're tripfags. They should get the goddamn point about this bullshit.
This was 1995, "fansites" back then weren't gathering places for online discussion, they were mostly text-only indexes of various lists and maybe a few pieces of fanart on an FTP server.
There wasn't a contest, the trip was initated by posters from alt.tv.animaniacs on Usenet chatting via #watertower on DALnet. They called it Animania IV.
It's canon that Blaze is from an alternate reality and Silver and Eggman Nega are from the future now.
They've met in 2 games after that as well.
funny enough, they showed that episode to the fans before it aired and they found it funny. now though, im pretty sure people would explode with rage because they forgot how to take a fucking joke.
Ben 10 Alien Force did it twice.
The first time was when Ben and Kevin were watching the sequel to their favorite action cartoon, Sumo Slammers, called Sumo Slammers: Hero Generation. Kevin said it wasn't as good as the original, and Ben commented on how it was set up in the same manner as Alien Force (taking place 5 years in the future, with the bad guy joining the good guy's team) and how he preferred the original as well.
Then there was the episode where Mr.Smoothys was doing a Ben 10 promotion using his aliens as flavors, one of the fans said the Alien X Mystery flavor tasted like filler. Because Alien X was a fucking joke.
>Oh, and of course all the ACTUAL children that enjoy the show.
Children aren't parts of "fanbases" in the same way adult fans are.
Or at least, I think not, I'm not sure to what extent 10 year olds use the internet in this day and age.
Yeah, remember that the Shatner "Get a Life" SNL skit was 1986. Nearly thirty years ago they'd already spent over a decade talking with nerds, and back then when you had to talk with a group of them, you had to talk with them in person, sights and smells included.
there wan episode of Teen titans where messages from internet boards are contsantly read in a 4th wall manner, as in no one in the show reads them, the show just narrates them for us.
They mention pairings like Beast Boy x Starfire and shit. IIRC it involved that guy with the tv controller that could shift reality and such
What the fuck are these things in the shelf on the bottom left? Salt? Jolt cola?
What's the reference?
>Jolt Cola was featured in Steven Spielberg's film Jurassic Park in a scene which shows computer programmer Dennis Nedry's work station covered with Jolt Cola cans & bottles. It was also shown in several scenes in the film Hackers; in one scene, the characters Razor and Blade refer to it as, "Jolt Cola: The soft drink of the elite hacker."
The internet is something of a double-edged sword when it comes to cartoons' relationship to their fans.
On the one hand, I'm sure a lot of animators and writers etc probably appreciate it when fans reach out to them on twitter or whatever and show their appreciation, its like having a 24/7 convention appearance. I believe it was Motorcity's creators that tried to stave off cancellation by presenting binders full of fanart to the higher powers.
On the other hand, being explicitly aware of audience expectations and demands from certain loud minorities is probably not all that good either. I think Adventure Time and Horse Show probably illustrate that; sometimes there's that back-of-the-mind feeling with AT that certain moments are being portrayed in response to some specific fan feedback, whether it be shipping or adventuring or whatever. Does that compromise the show?
I think it does. You see this in live-action TV shows all the time, too. There's a fine line between grateful fan acknowledgement and having fun with them and blatantly pandering to them, the latter which can then stimulate the creation of a third category which is obvious contempt for the fans (see: Homestuck, Invader Zim).
So yeah. When it's done well, it's done really really well, but when it's done bad, it's horrid.
On the topic of AT, I feel like the Fiona and Cake episodes are perfect one offs that would be fucking god awful and annoying to watch if it were an actual series, but for some reason it has a fuck huge fanbase.
It's a chubby female character and her sassy black-but-not-black independent cat going on adventures and grrl powering it up. Coupled with faggy Prince Gumballs being an effeminate bitch nigga and Twilight-tier Marshel Lee causing tumblr whales to cheese their panties. (Traditionally it's referred to as wetting or creaming, but that's far too generous for the fanbase in question)
And you know, porn of Fionna, Cake, and the Ice Queen with canon designs.
>manipulating a girl's emotions because he derives sexual pleasure from seeing her unhappy
Also Cinnamon Bun's a cool guy, what do people have against him?
I remember seeing a thread where people were outraged at that one Korra character that represented fan arguments.
Imagine if this came out today. They draw their fans as a dude so fat his shirt shows his belly. All the nerds are drawn as ugly as possibly and they took actual fan comments to have then say. The shit storm would engulf the board.
Oh, a tranny? Well whatever, I don't care about that, I care that she takes sperging over fandoms like she owns them to amazing heights and people actually pay attention because she's talented. What a shitty combination.
>...At best, the attempted message was “You can’t try to force relationships to work.” But because this was about toy avatars and not “real” people, and more importantly, because of the context, it’s hard to buy that interpretation.
This fandom is unique in that it has a lot of communication between creators and fans. And in the past, the creators have expressed disapproval and outright disdain for fans of certain ships, particularly Marceline/Bubblegum. They made an episode strongly hinting at the relationship, only to never touch the subject or even let the characters interact again. There’s a sense that the creators have a lot of disdain for “shippers” and blame them for the fallout of the “Mathematical!” video recap fiasco which led to the video recap series being cancelled and someone being fired.
Given that context, it’s not a huge stretch of the imagination that they’d make an episode basically ridiculing shippers and calling them pathetic losers who ruin everything. And even if that was not their main intent, many people besides me have felt really put-off by the episode, and the creators are in-touch enough to know it would be interpreted this way. There also are plenty of people commenting on it to laugh and mock shippers, assuming that was the message.
At best, this was a really clumsy moral with mixed messages. At worst, it was directly aimed at mocking shippers. Either way, I don’t think it was a good choice.
How the heck did you get ”sugarless gum is ok but I don’t wanna see lemongrab having sex with pb" out of this? Where did you see any hint that the relationships Finn was interested in exploring were "acceptable" by the narrative’s standards? The final message is that shipping is (in Jake’s words) "degenerate" and pathetic. Not just some of the relationships, all of them. (And PB and Marceline, as if just to spite the biggest fanship f the show, don’t interact at all.)
And how is it a good message to tell people they can’t ship what they want? That they need a “reason?” You don’t need a reason to ship stuff. Shipping can be for fun, for a personal kink, or for validation of a marginalized identity. And it’s nobody’s place, not even the creators, to try to insult or demean you for it. How you choose to interact with other fans with similar interests or enjoy a show is YOUR BUSINESS.
Not everyone has the luxury of having their identity portrayed in the mainstream. For some people, having their sexuality or identity validated by a cartoon is a HUGE DEAL. Fans should be allowed to enjoy whatever headcanons they want, not shamed for it.
>he derives sexual pleasure from seeing her unhappy
Not even defending Finn, but that's really only one interpretation. He's obsessed with adventuring, so maybe he gets off seeing how badass she is when fighting. That's not so much anything to do with her being unhappy.
It's actually "Maynard", but whoever at E! wrote the captions decided to call him a nerd anyway.
>In 2010, Maynard was banned from seeing the film Tron: Legacy in his iconic Tron suit in his local movie theater because of the illuminating lights on his suit.
>On June 8, 2011, Maynard appeared on America's Got Talent. He received a "no" vote from each of the three judges and did not make it past the audition round. Howie Mandel had him restart his introductory speech over several times, so it was left unclear what his act was going to be.
>He's obsessed with adventuring, so maybe he gets off seeing how badass she is when fighting
That would be Finn's perspective, yes. But he still manipulated her emotions for his own gratification (abuse). It doesn't matter what he intended; that's what happened.
Finn also seems to show genuine remorse afterward, and it's obviously not a mistake he'll ever make again, but I can understand FP not being totally comfortable around him after that.
>In 2011, Maynard appeared in a commercial for Duck Brand duct tape. The ad recreates the light-cycle race from Tron using stop-motion animation, followed by Maynard's appearance in the Tron Guy outfit.
If someone is writing fanfiction for "validation of a marginalized identity", then this validation only exists in the fanfiction, not in the show itself. It IS masturbation, just as this episode depicted it.
Decent question to ask why someone should tell others not to masturbate, but then again, most people don't do it in a public place and expect people to be interested.
In this case, the depiction was accurate. It's based on the guy who stalked Tress MacNielle.
>The "World's Biggest Tiny Toon Fan" in the sketch, Night of the Living Dull, is based on Dennis Falk, an actual overly-obsessed fan the production team encountered while working on Tiny Toon Adventures. He was a stalker who sent Tress MacNeille disturbing letters which caused her to fear for life and cancel any convention appearances she was planning to make around where he lives.
whats wrong with their faces
The episode where they implied that people in the Teen Titans universe are obsessing over and shipping the titans made me pretty uncomfortable back then. I guess that was the point though.
You just KNOW there was a guy collecting Starfire and Raven wardrobe malfunctions and pantyshots
Well, you could Google "alt.tv.animaniacs" which would link you to Google Groups' archive of them, though with 20-year-old posts, the records tend to be incomplete. Not everything's there and sometimes things were pointed out via IRC or email. A compiled collection of what was deemed important enough to record was the Cultural References Guide for Animaniacs, which got regular updates as the series was airing.
And I have no idea why they merely mention "the 'Iris Out On The Nose' bit's been done" without mentioning that it was done right before the second commercial break in King Yakko, episode 10.
>And in the Pinky and the Brain title, the Tokyo Movie Shinjo(sp) version, which is on ones, it has "BH 90201", which is supposed to be BH "Beverly Hills" 90210. How could they get that wrong?
The error pointed out was that the blackboard doesn't have BH 90201. It has BH 91210.