Miles Morales storytime, in which something happens and I haven't read it yet
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Miles probably stays on his own book, Pete (assuming it IS Pete) could get a team up book, something that they could use to launch other Ultimate books from since UFF failed horribly
Rrrgh, god damn you Bendis, I want to believe it's him! But I'm so used to getting burned anymore I'm waiting for the worst.
Shit, though, this issue was incredible. I still wish Miles had more of his own rogues gallery but this is such a huge improvement over his first run.
>The New Captain America uses web slingers to throw his shield around like a flail
I can dig it.
I still think it's the OZ formula that regenerates them even when they're dead, when it was modified for Harry this got taken out because they didn't know about it or something. EZ explanation.
>Revived Peter is an alternate-universe Peter that unknowingly got zapped into Earth 1610 instead of dying like Ultimate Peter
No, because even if he's a fucking monster of decompression and stories going nowhere, and his dialogue is... Bendis, at least he knows how to write character interactions and make people behave reasonably. This is a quality that Slott lacks in its entirety, and to be honest Superior Spider-Man could've USED some decompression with how rushed everything got at the end.
NO. I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND I DON'T LIKE IT!
Listen to me. They have realized they want younger spider man in Earth-616 (main universe) to appeal to new readers. During spiderverse the original 616 Pete will be killed by Morlun and this ultimate Peter will replace him. Miles will stay as ultimate spider-man.
You heard it here first, folks!
FUCK YOU BENDIS I REALLY HOPE IT'S HIM OR I WILL KILL MYSELF AND PUT YOUR FUCKING NAME IN THE SUICIDE NOTE YOU FUCKING WRITER
yeah, I think he is alive so he can die again in Spider-verse, or survive it and become the new Ultimate Captain America. Also, there is this thing of Miles Morales with the All-New X-men, so theres that.
I've been sitting on this one for a while.
Okay, here goes.
The Peter that was killed by the Goblin was actually Scorpion. Peter disappeared after things went boom at Sanctum Sanctorum fighting Dormamu during Ultimatum. The real Peter has been stuck between dimensions all this time. This is where we got in the post Ultimatum Requiem, everyone thought spidey was dead. Flash forward to Ultimate Comics, he's there.
Fury couldn't let Peter stay dead, not when he had a fully functional clone on hand. Surgically removed the cybernetics and tail, spit his fused fingers, and had Jean Grey make him believe he was the original because why not.
After Galactus happened, and the various space time rifts, Peter found his way home.
That is my theory. Just convoluted enough and full of carefully noticed setup to work.
Because 1610 Spidey has been the best Spidey, and we can't have good things
Honestly? No idea, it doesn't have much direction. There was a token beach issue and somehow that managed to go to shit too. The books just been bland
It's basically teen genetic fuck-ups/superheroes vs gangs with superdrugs. It's boring as shit and /pol/ likes to complain because two black male characters are dating white female characters.
Well they did establish he has a low-level healing factor way early on. Not Wolverine levels, of course, merely "he heals faster". It WOULD be a good parallel, since that's basically what happened when Norman was brought back to life all those years ago, after he was impaled on his own glider.
Anon, no. Please, be optimistic. It's basically an accepted fact that Ultimate Peter Parker is basically the one character in the Ultimate Universe who isn't a total bag of dicks, including Captain America. Captain America is now dead. And Jessica Drew is the new Black Widow, establishing that it's not uncommon for people to get code names that they'd otherwise not expect.
Anon, we may get Peter Parker, AS CAPTAIN AMERICA.
If you're talking about Carol "Incompetent" Danvers having him shot, she basically explained that she wasn't trying to kill him, merely capture him. For reasons that are a mystery to anyone who isn't retarded, she refuses to let the fucker die.
Someone screencap it, I want to see if 4chan successfully predicts another twist just like how they predicted the big bad from bleach would have a sword that makes a bow that shoots a sword.
>Peter or whoever it is really has the body of a teenager
>this would've been the perfect occasion for making Miles look shota as fuck like when Pichelli was on art
>there was an otherwise unexplained timeskip so that Miles is like 15-16 now
nah, it's just
>a guy in his costume
>a guy in his mind moving his body like a marionette
all of those have already happened. otoh, how many times has Peter actually been resurrected?
Her and Jess are currently going down to pound town on each other. They're kinda busy. And if you bring in Kitty, you'd have to bring in Jess. And if you've brought in those two, might as well bring in the rest of the Ultimates, etc etc. Ends up with too many people at once storywise
Yes, Ultimate Clone Saga. It was actually pretty good
I'm personally thinking that Peter just regenerated from the Oz serum. Remember, he got bitten by the Spider; And his body was intact after the battle, he just bled out. He might've just gotten up and walked away.
I think they've just realized that absurd potential a Spidermen book has. Seriously, people were disappointed by Spidermen because it was over too quickly, and there was no time for the plot to breathe; this might be a good one.
I'll admit that I've always been slightly disappointed by the Ultimate universe, because it didn't live up to the potential. USM is good, but it would've be a lot more interesting if they threw in some twists on the formula. Like, organic web-shooters for Spidey, choosing Gwen over Mary Jane, being loved by everyone instead of feared and despised...That kind of thing.
They did deliver on some stuff - Like Ock being dead for good, and the aforementioned 'People love Spidey!' - but there's a lot of retreads. Everything to do with Ultimate X-Men, for instance. The constant backsliding on the Ultimate Fantastic Four, and the fact that Sue is now the biggest bitch of all time.
Oh, and introducing Matt Murdock as Daredevil...To kill him off as an aside. Then ANOTHER yellow-suited Daredevil...And killing him, too, in a terrible Ultimates story arc about vampires. That was dire.
As far as I'm concerned, the Ultimates line has produced two great books. Or runs in this case, Bendis' USM in all it's volumes and minis, and Millar's Ultimates. As much as it gets mocked, Ultimates 1 and 2 were basically the big budget popcorn flick version of the Avengers, before we had the big budget popcorn flick version of the Avengers
They take EVERYONE alive. No kidding; Generally, if they shot to kill, things would go a lot better for them. I'm surprised they didn't saw Norman Osborn's head off - He keeps escaping from custody, and he once waged open war against the White House or something.
Do you have any idea how many times SHIELD captured Norman Osborn alive? Seriously, I fucking WISH they would cut off that fucker's head. After his third break out, you'd think they'd get the hint.
Than why did he claim to be Ultimate!Peter? When Miles asked him if he came from another dimension he treated Miles like he was nuts. I do think you're right about WHY Ultimate!Peter is back though: Spider-Verse. Bendis probably doesn't want Slott to use U!Pete but is being forced to.
No, Chang was. Hill is a cop, that was established way back in Ultimate Spidey when Pete was still around, Chang the Ex-head of SHIELD was called in to deal with Norman and got her face melted.
>Miles and Peter buddy cop shit a la Fraction's Hawkeye.
This is what I want.
It's not Pete because this guys is a complete shithead. Remember his first interaction with Miles? It was out of character to such an extent that it has to be a clone. Also, please consider the two Spider Prowlers out on the loose. This guy may be one of them. Whoever it is, it is not the original Peter.
I'd be all right with "Oz forumla, get over it. Harry's off in Europe somewhere, SHIELD set him up for life before they went bust, doesn't want to be a part of it but his dad just can't let go.
It wasn't out right aggressive it was just impatient which Pete has been before, no to mention I'd be a bit peeved too if I'd just come back form the dead and some kid is refusing to give me back my toys.
You notice this wasn't a help Miles situation, this was a fight Osborn situation. Fight Osborn...who just happens to be at that house for no apparent reason. Its too coincidental. "Peter" was there to throw down for one reason or another. I'm telling you all, it's one of the Spider Prowlers.
>wasn't trying to kill him
Does everyone want Osbourne jizz.
Pretty sure theres only Ironman left. Cap's dead, Thor's gone, Chang is dead now, Drew is off munching rug with Kitty, probably too far to just appear there without travel time, Captain Britain is gone, he just disappeared, so yeah theres no one left.
Its not the Pete
and hes pretty much confirmed to be kill in the next two issues, just look at this cover
That was Monica Chang, former head of shield and former Black Widow.
She died being an idiot written by Bendis when the worst thing she was more competent than Ultimate Fury. No one deserves that.
flew a jet into Galactus as a distraction, we never saw his body so he could just be "dead", some writers also talked about someone else (everyone thought it'd be Storm but it wasn't, not so far at least) picking up the mantle (Peter arrives back just in time?)
Would have been a lot better if Miles didn't YET AGAIN rely on his fucking Venom Blast™ to save the day. Dialogue was kind of shitty, too.
BUT DAT ART!!!!! Marquez is amazing. For reals.
Fucking venom blast. Such bullshit.
Justin Ponsor has always been the best part of this book.
He's not. No way it's the real deal.
Not a terrible theory, but holy retcon Batman! That would kind of shit on like 2 years worth of USM though.
Yes. Read Ultimate Spider-man #200 first, then read MM:USM #1-4
That theory is just too messy.
>not real peter
This new Peter is actually the Scorpion clone with the tail surgically removed.
>obvious is obvious
Why can't anybody see this???
>Posted the Spockfag.
Your husbando will lose in the end. He died like he lived: like a little bitch. No amout of bitching or shitposting on your part will bring him back beyond Spider-Verse. Now either fuck off back to your containment thread or follow his example and kill yourself.
Peter showed up at his house punched him and stole his webshooters
then for 3 pages Miles is running towards Ganke screaming CLONE
Cap isn't dead he jumped outta the plane before it exploded, Thor will return after someone fuck with the negative zone and Captain Britain is going to tutor Miles.
Also if this Peter dies I'm not reading Ultimate Spidey anymore.
Do you realize how fucking beautiful a Captain America inspired Spider-man costume would look? Do you even comprehend? That would be the absolute best thing ever and it breaks my heart that it's not going to happen.
Whee would he possibly make them? All of his material was back in his OLD house, in his basement, which was likely moved, collected by SHIELD as paraphenilia, or destroyed. Peter is broke, back from the dead, and probably homeless. Where could he make them?
I'd say Marquez' is the 2nd best, after Bagley's Goblin.
Considering most of that stuff he'd been making webfluid with was his father's equipment, I'd say so. Back then it's not like he could order from amazon and tell aunt May it was a science project. He could buy the materials then, but that equipment is what he needed.
And now he doesn't have that.
After the whole "Death of Spider-Man" bullshit Nick Fury took Parker to some SHIELD shithole to heal and protect him and used Scorpion as Parker's corpse for the funeral. When Galactus fucked up everything and SHIELD was closed Parker left just like Norman and probably all the other supervillians.
That's the best theory I have read so far.
It's been done
not bad, really
not bad at all...
It didn't really defeat him as much as it made him freak out like "What the fuck why are there two spider-men and this one has different powers!? No no no this isn't right I gotta get out of here and figure this out."
>The Magnificent Miles Morales
>Miles would never let what happened to Peter Parker happen to him
>Again with the venom touch
This reached new levels of OC self insert fan fiction.
This totally happens in the next issue.
Can somebody explain to me what the fuck is going on without it sounding completely bonkers?
Peter's dead, Miles is Pidaman, then there's another Pidaman that's probably Peter, but now Miles is going to do so there's only one Pidaman again?
In defense of the first two
>The MMM I read as sarcastic from her sister since Kate's way into Miles
>Just trying to console her sister. What was she supposed to say? "Realistically speaking Miles is about as likely to die as Peter"?
The Venom Blast is still bullshit and inconsistent as fuck.
There's just too much going on, between the stripes, the webbing, and the weird star/frog/spider.
If this happened, Peter should just don a Captain America suit, something like Buckycap's uniform, simple, streamlined and cool-looking. He wouldn't be spider-man after all.
I just think they should lose the web motive and maybe the spiderlegs.
There's really nothing Spider-like about Spidey's costume without the web and spider emblems.
So basically a Spider-mask on a typical Cap uniform.
I really tried to like Miles, back when he started, I really did. At firs he seemed like a cool kid and his interactions with Ganke and Jessica were fun to read and somewhat interesting, but he's become just so fucking boring and predictable.
In two pages with Peter I've had more fun than the last entire year worth of Ultimate Spider-man with miles. Bringing Peter back, briefly or permanently, just shows how weak Miles is as a character. The comparison is just making me want for everything to be what it was before Peter died, and let Miles become his own thing rather than Spider-Man, and I'm pretty sure we all will be gifted with another "death" of Peter Parker, so this boring ass spider-man can keep using his venom-blast on everything.
Yeah, it's Bendis's best work, hands down. Even when his Avengers was in the shitter, USM was consistently good. I haven't been as fond of the Miles Morales era (the past ~30 issues), but it's still alright.
Of the first 160 issues (the Peter stuff), there's really only a few bum arcs in the 80s or 90s; it all pics up again with #95 when the Clone Saga arc starts.
Ultimate Marvel Team up is mostly good, too. And Ultimate Six is a fucking killer crossover with the Ultimates.
I like Miles in the first few issues. Not only did he have unique powers, but he was a reluctant hero, not having Pete's sense of responsibility. Also, the dynamic he had with his parents made him seem like his own character with his own struggles.
In my opinion, he started going downhill as a character right before the USM hiatus. He was reluctant to resume being Spider Man after his mother died, but he got brow-beat into it, so his internal struggles over the responsibility of being Spider Man got played out too soon. Removing his father from the equation removed the dynamic he had with his family, and not learning from Pete's mistakes despite numerous characters telling him to do so (i.e., telling his qt3.14 gf he's Spider Man and scaring her off) removed the last thing distinguishing him from Pete.
tl;dr Careless writing and poor decisions turned a character into an SJW version of Peter.
He ALWAYS felt like Peter Lite, to me. He's clever, but not as clever as Pete. He's funny, but not as funny as Pete. He has a sense of duty, but it's not as strong as Pete's.
Only thing he had more of than Peter was
>The one piece of advice MJ gives Miles is not to let so many people find out his secret, since that's what screwed Pete more than anything.
>Miles blabs to his gf, she instantly blabs to her sister
>"Miles is smart. He'd never let what happened to Peter happen to him."
A combination of things posted.
The serum regenerates peter, but it takes awhile.
Fury knows this will happen so he takes the body, and waits for it to regen.
He lets the world think pet is dead, so he can manipulate him into doing spy shit with him.
Maybe also train him in the process.
Now with all the shit that went down, peter is free to come home.
>Bendis makes him win everything with Venom Blast™
>Fiffe treats him like Peter Parker
Maybe in All-New X-Men he'll have time to shine.
age of ultron and the indestructible hulk tie-in show that ultron's new reprogramming combined with galactus' reality fart opened a hole in the 1610 timeline and allowed heroes previously thought dead to otherwise be revived anew
>victor van damme
I'm just waiting for wolverine 1.0 to come back so that I can finally see ultimate x-force like those rumors said.
I meant the other guy but I guess the swearing was still uncalled for. a Google search showed me that miles was planned to be slightly weaker so as to show differences between him and peter. I mean, know bendis' this means nothing but an excuse to recycle fight scenes to splash pages.
I'm actually reading it right now to discover what in the fuck is going on.
If this is the real parker here, then MCU has ALREADY broken its no-ressurections rule.
Well I will know in about 5 mins.
LOL not a chance
Also, among that list, only Doom was thought to be dead (and Peter now, obviously, but it's probably not the real him). Thor, Cap, and Punisher have been alive and well all along.
I do like how Norman is instantly like "Oh, a smart-mouth" and goes off right from there. He knows what the deal is. Reminds me of that reveal in the final issue of Superior Spider-Man.
Where did clone/revived/dimension hopper Peter get his Spider suit from?
I'd agree but he seemed to know about their last fight which while not hard to find about seems a bit odd to me.
I'm going with clone.
Also since Bendis rarely cares enough about events going on outside his comics to include them in his comics. Especially with USM
I honestly thought they just didn't talk about what happened yet. So he DID run away? Where the fuck is Miles living, then? He can't be at the school, because with his parents gone, nobody's paying for it.
The Scorpion clone's mind was a mess to begin with, which would explain he refraining to show himself in USM#200
His mind is still a mess.
Wait and see.
It's the scorpion guy.
No doubt about it.
Dude, that rule has been loopholed and explained-away broken so many times already it's silly. Just forget about it. It might have meant something when the Ultimate line (outside of SM) meant something, but it doesn't now.
1610 Peter has bigger eyes, back and front spider, and the back's legs are sharp and close together. Amazing is the more classic version, which would be easily discernible by the eyes and the armpit webs.
was this ever in dispute?
yeah, thats one thing I don't like about USM, Miles always looks too old.
After a year timeskip, he'd only be 14, when I was 14, I looked like a little kid still.
The shield looks rather nice
Not bad, actually.
Not bad at all...
Ult Peter has much bigger eyes and gets drawn with a big head.
you just aren't a big spider-man fan like the rest of us you pleb.
it seems like next to no time is passing though
>all of Peter's USM run was 1 year
I don't read any ultimate comics and only started kind of reading this one in storytimes because Miles is going to be joining the New X-Men apparently.
I have a question though, where the hell is the female clone of peter during all of this? I mean her background is mentioned right at the beginning of the arc so she's probably important.
Is it possible that she's disguised as male Peter and Spider-Man?
Yep. One of the great mysteries of the universe was solved
Not Likely but she's conveniently/ inconveniently out of town.
She sort of gets the shaft a lot of the times in these books.
Atleast Bendis had the courtesy to acknowledge she's Dame NotappearinginthisComic rather than just forgetting her like in Spider-men.
That's going to end poorly
What did you expect?
>A renegade lady Angel comes to kill New York
>All seems lost as the members are defeated and laying at the Angels feet
>Then Jessica tears open her pants revealing herself
>And the Angel says "But that means"
>Jessica says "That's right....."
>And Jessica walks up to the Angel and grabs her by the back of the head ".....I'M GAY"
>And shoves her tongue down her throat and the lesbian act causes the Angel to burst into flames
And that's how Jessica came out of the closet.
Ugh, this book deserves so much better. It has an amazing cast, it even has a fucking bikini issue, how do you make this so boring? What kind of writer is Fiffe to fuck up something that should be so great? I wish Bendis dropped an X-men book so he could write All New Ultimates.
The fact that she said that "Jewish girls too" thing so blatantly, almost like an afterthought, is why I think she's doing that just to fuck with Kitty. I mean just to screw with her.
You know what, nevermind, you all know what I mean.
Honestly I'd prefer for him to have hated Miles for some bullshit excuse like tarnishing the legacy of a hero or something instead of him being like he is now. Ultimatum really fucked him up.
Damn. I'm shaking right now.
I probably should know better but I can't help myself.
I just want to believe it so bad than it hurts.
I can't remember being this happy reading a comic in ages.
Please Bendis, make it happen :)
>anything past StickyMon's spidercest
man, I JUST found out that there were more issues
how is something like this kept under lock and key for so long? why aren't they floating around on the internet? and if they are, where?
She says she has Male Brain patterns but doesn't seem to express any interest in becoming or resembling a male past dressing a bit boyishly.
And like >>64370806 said
She's always been a girl just....she remembers being a boy who she knows she never was.
I don't even have internet money even though they are like 5 bucks per issue
And I'd offer a commission in exchange but my art is too shit
Thanks. I actually do try my best.
And that page with Jess coming out of the closet made me really happy. The whole theme of issue 4 is Jess enticing Peter to get Kitty for a threesome.
She's the one who wanted it
I used to post previews around, but regular anons don't really think quite well of me.
Lots of flaming and trolling, accusing me of profiting on copyrighted chars.
It would be true, if I wasn't putting every penny back in the comics.
But there's no way I can prove that to the horde.
Gwen is coming on #6 (pun intended)
Ult. MJ more ahead on the road (if I get there…)
Bombshell is actually one of the next in line. I'm split between her and Ult. Black Cat.
Yep. Mostly MJ and symbiotes, but also Mayday, BlackCat and a bunch of the villains
>Bombshell is actually one of the next in line. I'm split between her and Ult. Black Cat.
Do Bombshell. Black Cat isn't that different from Catwoman in design and Bombshell has that uniqueness about her. Do you have an artist for that one?
Is there a way to swing it that you could post a medaupload here for a limited time and we swear on a blood oath that the images won't be spread so you can maintain revenue from your work? If so, that would be swell.
You could always just keep a tally of how many of each issue you've sold, how much each costs, and how much you've put into new projects. Some people could still accuse you of lying at that point, but those people are losers. Why would you lie at that point?
Anyways, you do have some actual (albeit penniless) fans who want to see more of your work, even if they don't actually get to see more of your work.
that's the best preview I can post on a blue board.
Issue 6 (not ready yet)
I wish I could trust anons. But you guys can burn so long and so deep.
I could *maybe* share the script for 2 or 3. But english is not my native language, so I would be mocked on for eternity.
>Ah, put your dick inside me already?
>You want my dick?
>Yeah, your dick
>All my dick?
>All of it.
>Ok, I will put it inside
>Do it already
>Ok, here I go
>Stop pressuring me, I get stage fright
You could have something like Ultimate Spider-Man 200 where after the memorial all the girls get together to remember how good Peter was in bed, and then they decided to see if Miles is just as good. Last panel would be Peter watching through a window or something.
That's a good idea to consider.
My plan is to share the old ones for free later in the game, like I did with #1
You guys were the ones who got me the idea to start it. I really hope to give some more back in the future...
I'm blaming the Colorist not knowing their shit/not caring.
For those who wanted, here is the script for issue #2 in one image. I'll put a PDF of it in my HF page tomorrow for nicer reading.
You could experiment with different payment methods for different series or issues, just to see what works. Maybe release one comic and have a number you need to reach before you'll release the next one to everyone. Like a carrot in front of the horse. Or you could have something like a kickstarter or a patreon to fund all your projects from one source. Plenty of anons here probably don't want to pay (or can't pay) 5-13 dollars an issue, but with a crowd funding kind of thing you'd get less money from the individual but a lot more people willing to chip in. You want to encourage people to pay so you can make enough to keep going, not to wait so they'll be the ones to get it for free.
Payment methods are really a chronical problem.
In my country, I'm kinda stuck with the current method.
Patreon, Flattr and offbeatr all have problems with either copyrighted chars, or payment in my country.
And paypal hates porn.
It's been miserable upsetting stablishing a good distribution method. Not to mention a reliable one