Sup /co/, since Godhead wraps up tomorrow with four issues dropping I thought I'd storytime the whole crossover so far.
So let's go ahead and start with Green Lantern/New Gods: Godhead!
kind of futzing with the New God origin stuff we've seen, but... that's fine
check out the font they used for 'genesis'
yeah he does look a bit... off
Kyle's been letting everybody think he was dead because reasons and Walker has been mopey as fuck
I love that they got Sudzuka for this part
yeah they really don't look too good in this at all
Highfather's learning program...
to Darkseid War, perhaps? Mister MIracle is going to be in it and I wouldn't be surprised if Orion shows up
I also expect Johns to ignore parts he doens't like since I don't think he's too fond of Venditti's GL
you're missing a couple colors there bro
they really do
surely this will go well and nothing horrible will happen
I really like the way Highfather and New Genesis are acting now. It's not classic Kirby New Gods, but it isn't some sort of 'affront' to the originals, it simply takes place during the time of Izaya the Warrior, before he picked up the Shepherd's crook.
God fucking tell me about it. Why do so many good characters have to be locked inside that fucking containment facility with all the OC garbage.
I appreciate that gratuitous ass shot
maybe Scott can bring Barda with him when he escapes into JL
>I really like the way Highfather and New Genesis are acting now. It's not classic Kirby New Gods, but it isn't some sort of 'affront' to the originals, it simply takes place during the time of Izaya the Warrior, before he picked up the Shepherd's crook.
You keep saying this shit, but it is pretty much TOTALLY WRONG.
>The time of Izaya the Warrior
That was before they switched the fucking babies.
>I want the New Gods to be salvaged from the mess that is their New 52 writers
Yeah, the guys who handled them preboot really knew their shit. Loeb and Starlin's treatment of the New Gods blows all this garbage out of the water.
This is just a mess.
>God fucking tell me about it. Why do so many good characters have to be locked inside that fucking containment facility with all the OC garbage.
burn it all down
...this is the only page he's shown up in in this whole thing so far
some random unnamed Sapphires
dat Lightray face
no, I'd forgotten that they sent him with the ring
Sinestro is gonna be great tomorrow
So now it's pushed forward.
Because I have a hard time seeing this event end without setting up a New Gods book that chronicles the societal changes in New Genesis to a more peaceful society from an authoritarian one.
There was no need to "push it forward". The fact that Highfather still acts like Izaya the Warrior, after all this time, makes him seem like an incredibly dense and evil character.
It's perhaps one of the most retarded changes of all time.
RIP unnamed red chick
if this DOES lead to that I will be more okay with it, but they're just so... sinister right now
WHY IS MOGO'S RING JUST OUT IN THE OPEN
also grow some goddamn balls Walker, getting real tired of this sadsack act
I like talking about books I like.
We've never really had any exploration of Highfather while he's acting like this, I'm happy for new types of stories to be told, rather than retreading the same damn old Kirby tales again and again and again.
they've pretty much been the low point of this for me yeah
I quite enjoy the parts involving Hal, Sinestro and
>the blue ring is trying to go back
y-yeah, hope burns bright ;_;
I REALLY hope Mogo doesn't die AGAIN
also, this page looks much better on my print copy, there's more green in the middle panel
It's not about retreading, it's about not creating these wild and amazingly awful renditions that seem to have been made for no real reason.
I'm all happy for "new types", just not types that are just shit. There is no question that this has been a completely awful rendition of the New Gods.
It's different so it's good, isn't a good case.
welp everything's fucked
nice going, assholes
I don't like everything about it but I like enough about it that I'd recommend it
This is the first time Venditti's GL has really felt GL-y to me
shouldn't you guys have thought of that BEFORE you had to murder a whole planet? have some forethought!
Not because it's "dissimilar", but because it's a complete 180.
Saying it's "dissimilar" is just a way of downplaying how changed everything has been. What the fuck was so wrong with Highfather that making this completely disparate version is now seen as "refreshing"?
Again, "dissimilar"? Dissimilar is cool. That's just what you expect from a reboot. Being completely on the other side of the CORE of the New Gods is the shitty bit.
Oh, I guess we can't say that Earth 2 is awful anymore. I really like the new Big Barda. It's a new take, so it must be something to praise.
I kind of like the unified covers they gave to the books, even if the execution left a little to be desired
RIP cannon fodder lanterns
it kind of sucks seeing them get stomped SO HARD but
whoops, i meant to say but it's been pretty nice for the lanterns overall
GLC and RL feel like filler though
I want Billy Tan to leave
it's okay anon, I welcome discussion whether it's about stuff you like or not
Black Hand has been great
Eh, they can kill as many cannon fodder as they want as long as no Xudarians are harmed in the process. Fuck anyone who kills one though. I fucking love that race. They are to me what Korugarians are to Sinestro.
In-story, there is something clearly wrong with the way Highfather is acting. Multiple characters on the side of the New Gods have voiced their concerns on this, and even rebelled. It's obvious that this presentation of them is not going to be their final one. They're not going to win, they (specifically Highfather) are the antagonists of this story. The Lanterns are going to win. Duh. So yes, they are acting 'off'.
But it's not like this is something totally brand new. It grows organically from the way Azz portrayed them in Wonder Woman, and aligns just fine with Infinity Man and the Forever People. The overall narrative of these New Gods isn't even near completion, and I'd genuinely bet money that once Convergence ends, we'll get a Didio/Giffen New Gods title that will focus on them becoming like the New Gods of old. There've been too many voices damning Highfather's authoritarian rule in universe, and there's just no way he's going to win. Stop looking at these New Gods as if they've traveled through everything the old ones have, they're getting there. This universe is still fresh, we've got plenty of time to explore these new interpretations and the new directions the characters can take.
I'll readily admit, if this was going to be a 100% static interpretation of the New Gods and Highfather that would never ever change ever, it'd be bullshit, but it isn't. I can't see it like that.
I wish they kept the unified cover theme for this month.
>CRASH THE SYSTEM WE'RE BEING HACKED
what is this, a shitty government agency drama?
shut up Orion
>I wish they kept the unified cover theme for this month.
yeah the Kirby homage covers weren't that good
>I'll readily admit, if this was going to be a 100% static interpretation of the New Gods and Highfather that would never ever change ever, it'd be bullshit, but it isn't. I can't see it like that.
I'm sorry, but I can. And even if it wasn't. This has been pretty horribly handled and it's horribly handled in such a way to put them on the antagonistical side.
>Grows organically from Wonder Woman
Why would I give a shit?
>Aligns just fine with Forever People
Forever People is fine, but it is BENT to Godhead's will.
I don't really recall Orion acting like this in Wonder Woman
then again nobody acknowledges Azz's Wondy
Did they just run right into those spears? come on guys
you shouldn't have gone for the throat Orion, you're only turning him on more!
I'll lend a voice here and say, that hey - you may be right.
You MAY be right.
But the fact of the matter is that none of this NEEDED to happen. It was done from some stupid company line or idea that someone SOMEWHERE had and it was incorporated into these books. And it's just the worst idea to introduce the New Gods into the New 52.
GLs have been dying at such a rapid rate lately soon they'll be nothing BUT untrained noobs
>everything's going to hell, let's go see Sinestro
>how will that help the corps?
>help the corps?
I could've sworn only GL did a Kirby homage, I'unno. At least we had sweet, sweet Darwyn Cooke covers.
Also how the fuck is Billy Tan still on this book when every single fill-in is better than him?
Okay, yes. Forever People's take on a more fascistic New Gods society has been much better than Godhead's, totally.
I'm so bummed that Forever People had to spend time tying into this when they knew from the start that it wasn't going to last
why try vain attempts at sales boosts when they won't actually help
Wait, I think I got the perfect sum-up here.
It's like if that small bit of "chipped Shoulder" Billy from Curse of Shazam's start was AMPED UP TO ASSHOLE LEVELS and then stretched out to a THOUSAND times the length.
Godhead's rendition has been a 0. Zero. Nada. Nil.
And I am deeply angry that Forever People had to succumb to it's shit.
>At least we had sweet, sweet Darwyn Cooke covers.
yeah I actually bought the GL one and I'll be grabbing the Sinestro one, they're amazing
>Also how the fuck is Billy Tan still on this book when every single fill-in is better than him?
Portela was fantastic, I want him to be the main artist
I really just hope Didio/Giffen get to do a clean sweep with the New Gods. IF they get the chance.
Yeah, that's right - IF.
Because the only two writers who have shown they can actually write New Gods in the New 52 only rank as a MAYBE option for DC.
I wish to see a New Gods #1 by Giffen/Didio so bad
Okay, that analogy is very fair.
We're getting at least 12 new books in June, I don't see us NOT getting a new Giffen project. He's pretty much had one since the start of the New 52. OMAC > Threshold > Larfleeze > Forever People... here's hoping.
I really want to see what they do in the last issue of Forever People.
They're doing a callback to THE PACT. I want to hope beyond hope.
It's only fair if you're right.
And I'm sorry, Massani - but I disagree 100% about what you said about Izaya and his Warrior mode at the start of the thread.
I think it can be put in this way.
If this Highfather is okay because "he's still a warrior" and if that makes sense because "his development was pushed back A LOT for some reason" then everything that has been done with Big Barda makes a lot of sense too.
And if Big Barda makes sense then nothing does.
I'm excited to learn about new stuff upcoming
There's been trickles of rumors already but I crave more
I really want to hope that Didio and Giffen will get another Fourth World book.
But they keep sinking like rocks... anchors at best.
If they wanted to do a New Gods series that would sell - they would not choose Didio and Giffen.
yeah which is really unfortunate
unless they like... put Jim Lee on it or something
>John using a gun construct
thank god Isamot had two hands!
Hal should have gone alone, then he probably could have taken out a bunch of the divine guard
GLs work on an inverse scale, where if there is one guy he'll be strong as fuck but if there are 20 of them they'll get cut down like grass
Where ya going Kilowog?
>A medium-to-hard reboot of the brand.
thankfully DC hasn't been too averse to doing that lately
Pat Broderick on a GL thing
he's drawing John Stewart's origin story in Secret Origins so maybe he'll be on relaunched GLC
hahah time for
i'll admit I've only skimmed this issue
>Also - here's hoping for Johns' Shazam, and that he DOESN'T leave Superman.
yeah I was hoping he'd stick around on Superman for a while yet
I really do want Shazam though
Honestly I'd rather have Parker/Shaner Shazam, Geoff's just too busy.
I haven't been following Earth-2 at all for awhile, have they done anything particularly shit to the New Gods mythos besides a council of OCs on Apokolips?
He showed up in GLC a few months ago but he decided to stay on Daxam instead of rejoining the GLC for reasons I don't remember
Just the regular stuff like shitting on Highfather, Mr. Miracle, and Big Barda.
Parker/Shaner is NEAT for Convergence, but I really want to see where Geoff is GOING. I want new 52 Monster Society.
they've taken a big shit on Barda
and they're writing Scott and Darkseid horribly now too
fridge callbacks and disgusting kyle/carol
and as we have learned, nobody writing WE can fucking write!
No one on any side can do the Fourth World right.
I mean, The Pact is the Pact. I love the New Gods - but the Pact is just the pinnacle - the best Fourth World issue ever.
That entire sequence of Young Highfather wandering into the desert... first meeting the Source Wall. It's powerful. No other word. Powerful.
God, the post-Godhead GL issue solicit.
>Hal goes back to earth!
>And has a conversation with Carol
Thing is with Flash and Arrow doing so well and more DCTV stuff that Geoff's going to have to supervise coming up, I can't see him having enough time for more than two books. Parker did a strong job following Geoff's stuff for Aquaman, I'd trust him to develop the Mr. Mind and Sivana plot threads that've been left dangling.
I'm past the point where I can be hurt by Earth-2 anymore. Nothing short of them brutally killing all the Robinson characters could affect me.
If I HAD to trust anyone - make it Sterling Gates.
Parker is someone I think would write something... okay in terms of Johns' Shazam, but not something completely on the mark.
Sterling Gates? He could do it.
my thoughts exactly
I hope she shows up for a page and then fucks off and then Hal can go visit people who actually like him, like Barry and Tom
> Nothing short of them brutally killing all the Robinson characters could affect me.
never say never!
Gates needs to come back to comics soon
well thank fuck that's over
there's another nice BTFO moment in act III
time to GET RED
this issue is more fillery than GLC was but at least there's some Guy/Ice fun
Shaner would be GREAT... for a RETRO book.
For New 52 Shazam... no. I can't see it.
Not anything on Shaner. But he's not the man for the job. That's how the cookie crumbles, imo.
Shaner is perfect
well... you did used to be pretty chatty, Guy
yeah... pretty much
I will still be sad and angry if they kill Jay or something though
I don't know, I don't think we've seen Tom in ages, it would be really nice if he showed up
Barry I'm not sure, he's stuck in the speedforce in his own book and I don't know if Venditti would relax on continuity like that since he's writing both books
I just want Hal to not be completely miserable for a whole issue
Yeah, Alan and Jay are pretty much the only emotional ties I have to that book anymore. At least most of the other characters worth thinking about are in FE and will probably escape via that.
I wouldn't be shocked, no
True, but they haven't really done much in FE besides be background noise
that would be nice too
shame Frank probably can't do it
>I just want Hal to not be completely miserable for a whole issue
Too bad every single GL solicit we have for the next few months is basically a version of "Hal is going to be very, very miserable in this issue. Enjoy."
that's definitely a fair point
if WE has taught us anything it's that non-existence is not even close to the worst thing for a character!
Bara Guy is fine
frankly I don't like the long hair or the mustache
Shaner would just be the jankiest fit in terms of tone of story to tone of art. He's great, but nah... not on New 52 Shazam.
Yeah, it's a shame that Frank can't do it. Looking forward to his Batman again though.
I grew to like the biker look a lot more than I thought I would over Soule's run. It really gelled perfectly with the content of the story.
Yeah, a Kuder Shazam would have to be a lot less big cheese-y, but that's very much something he can pull off. Dude can go crazy on textures and detailing when he wants to.
>Yeah, a Kuder Shazam would have to be a lot less big cheese-y,
Yeah exactly - and yeah I know he can pull that off.
If they can't go for Frank, then Kuder is the best option.
Yeah. And even if he'd have to leave Paktion, i'd be okay with it. I'd rather he didn't of course because I love that book, but it's no longer the only place to get good Superman in the New 52. Their run could end and I'd still have Geoff's Superman to look forward to.
I know ;_;
I have to assume Hal grabbing Krona's gauntlet is the culmination of everybody shitting on him endlessly for over a year
it's fine, it will grow back
oh yeah I don't think Shaner would fit Johns Shazam, but he's perfect for Parker's mini
I've gotten less enamoured with Soule's RLs after the last arc
>oh yeah I don't think Shaner would fit Johns Shazam, but he's perfect for Parker's mini
Yeah, exactly. Shaner evokes a completely different style of kid-adventure than what Johns laid out.Would not want to see him go with that.
But with Parker? Sure... it'll be fun.
I was re-reading the War of the GLs arc and they say it's Krona's gauntlet and they showed him using it
I know Johns looked like he was going to tie it to the First Lantern stuff though
This is where we all grab hands and chant "Please don't re-tell Emerald Twilight", right?
Yeah, these Godhead issues have been written on the back burner. Eh, if he's going to focus on any of his DC books before he leaves, it deserves to be Swampy.
Can we get at least another couple years of good guy Lex? Pretty please?
No. I would HATE for Good Lex to last a long time.
It's a neat gimmick. But Lex just... works better as a villain. He's neat as a hero - fucking awesome as a villain.
Yeah, because Krona USED it, but they EXPLICITLY say that it was The Ring of the First Lantern. Like... that was the proper name.
>multiversal beings that are barely aware of earth
>acknowledges that being called a nazi is an insult
I'm going to miss Eaglesham on this book so much
>This is where we all grab hands and chant "Please don't re-tell Emerald Twilight", right?
yes, I'm sigiling as hard as I can, I do not need Emerald Twilight 2 in my life
I wish to pet Hal's hair
oh yeah, I missed that, my bad
They haven't referred to it as anything yet, Hal's just wearing it on the cover to GL #40
Eaglesham is a huge fan of that "smug over-the-shoulder" shot and fuck if I haven't cropped every single one of them
There's Despotellis again...
Most likely yeah
and yeah it really sucks that Johns had to rework that arc from something potentially cool to something sucky
oh, Arkillo, you're only ever going to be a doormat to him ;_;
>I'm kindly requesting a post-storytime dump of sexy smug Sinestro, please.
>I'm kindly requesting a post-storytime dump of sexy smug Sinestro, please.
Whoa, whoa, hold the fucking phone. I had no idea you were into that kind of stuff. I will never be able to look at your storytimes the same way ever again.
oh Sinestro, you're a glorious bastard and a total dick
I had the same conundrum
I mean, Grayson is pretty sexy, but Eaglesham's Sinestro... goddamn
and thus Sinestro is like, the only person to accomplish anything in a fight so far and he had to kill a bunch of his own dudes to do it
so yeah, things aren't going so well!
It's not his fault that Sinestro got hot, anon
NOW things finally pick up, and we finally get the best addition to this crossover!
He's a little on the buff side and his head's shrunk to normal sizes but he still looks pretty Sinestro to me
so now Highfrank wants to brainwash all the lanterns and use them as his army
nah Sinestro's great too
The GLs are coming, gotta strike a pose!
I thought Soranik was supposed to heal burns, not dispense them
Remember that Sinestro also used to have a forehead twice the size before Johns took over GL. He looks the same in other books but just a little beefier and more handsome in his comic.
>BUT HE DED, HOW ALIVE?
Hal you've died and come back to life yourself, twice
his head was still huge in Rebirth, but then Reis started drawing him and most of his people are pretty
I'm glad Natu is back to her spiteful self. When Gibbons was writing back in the beginning of GLC, she was like this and played off of Guy well. I felt that Tomasi and Bedard didn't get her right and having her becoming Kyle's gf didn't help her either.
it's annoying how necessary this whole scene was
Sinestro is 100% right
well no, they go in order? but Red Lanterns, Sinestro, and GL annual 3 all come out tomorrow
and forever people but that's more tangential
Yeah, it just kind of vanished early on. Never liked the forehead look anyway.
The other GL events just weave through all the books and end at GL. If anything, they'll each have aftermath issues for the event.
breaking up with Kyle was a good thing but then she got benched for a while
Hal don't get cute now
They're also standing so close their shoulders are touching
Grayson had the schoolgirl chase issue.
Does Sinestro have any issues close to that? I only hopped on with the Futures End issue.
Shit dude I just want reaction pics
But yeah jesus christ Eaglesham's Sinestro is crazy.
it two Hal two pages to go from "you're a total psycho" to shaking hands
deep down he wants to believe Sinestro can actually change
time to visit the circus!
the first issue features Sinestro wearing an outfit that's pretty much just made out of bandages, and while he wrestles a giant tiger half of it falls off
this page is hilarious
He brought his mom, William is such a good boy!
agreed, even without looking at it with homo undertones it's a good description of their relationship
>the zombies immediately go for the groin
I didn't mind Johns' Hand but I like Venditti's a lot
He's a goofy man child who's obsessed with death and has terrifying powers, it's great
some random guy I guess? they're in Qurac not Khandaq, that's not Adam's turf anyway
Not to mention Lyssa basically offering herself to Sinestro. And when she showed the words from the book all over her body.
And Natu being all hot and pissy and being captive and then that one Sinestro corps guy casually suggesting they have sex afterwards. And lets not forget that deep neckline on her costume.
Is it getting hot in here?
This is a weird issue
also yes I recommend Sinestro, Eaglesham Sinestro is hot and the writing is pretty good
oh yeah, Lyssa is smoking hot and Soranik is not bad herself either
nah he's just laying down looking vulnerable, not on all fours offering himself
you might be right about incoming buttsex either way though
I've been on /co/ way too long to even see them as undertones anymore. Sinestro's constant chaining up of Hal in Johns' early New 52 run.... eesh
I fucking LOVE his reaction to
the source wall. So he's totally the surprise end villain of this event, animating the dead of the Source Wall, right?
Bunn's gotten a lot better lately, I really like his stuff with villain characters. Magento has also been pretty good.
>I've been on /co/ way too long to even see them as undertones anymore. Sinestro's constant chaining up of Hal in Johns' early New 52 run.... eesh
I'm starting to think the writers don't see it as undertones either
animating the dead of the Source Wall
Judging by one of the previews,
I haven't read Magneto but I've heard it's good
I think Fearless Defenders was maybe just a terrible fluke, or Bunn writing outside his comfort zone and not doing so hot
Black Hand is going to be that X-factor that will cause the biggest problems for the New Gods. He will likely slink off with something to show for his efforts and be a threat in the future. Hopefully. GL's villains have a tendency to reform a bit.
So yeah, Fatality was replaced by a Durlan imposter around issue 22-23 of GLC and John didn't notice
then when he found the real Fatality she said she hated him
>not on all fours offering himself
That doesn't mean it can't be from porn. He looks exactly like someone who just got tossed on the bed. Happens frequently enough in gay porn.
...or so I've heard.
Fuck yeah Tentacle Eyeball!
I can't wait for the conclusion, it's going to be fun as hell.
And yeah, I also really wasn't a fan of his Venom. At least, I didn't stick around after Minimum Carnage.
>Black hand could totally be a not totally villainous character with an ongoing given enough years of time.
It happened to Sinestro, happened to Larfleeze and Atrocitus. I could see it.
yeah, that is true...
it's kind of sexy either way, vulnerable hal is delicious
yeah and more of them pipe up about it later
hnnnnnng goddamn she's hot
I would totally read a Black Lanterns book about Hand trying to use death in not-totally-villainous ways
the parts involving Black Hand will be delicious, I'm slightly more worried about the rest of it
oh and Sinestro
puts the Parallax armor back on
That's one of the things that makes me confident that the New Gods as a whole will 'redeem' themselves after all this. It's not the whole of 'em, it's mainly Highfather. And he can change. And by god The Pact would be the perfect issue to mark that change before a New Gods book.
this is a thing that happens
I'm disappointed in how non-slutty that costume is
It's a ridiculous situation either. The whole purpose in doing this just have them "redeem" themselves? Janky and just messy.
And "The Pact" already happened years ago. So, it would be awful and impossible.
>Sinestro's constant chaining up of Hal in Johns' early New 52 run.... eesh
Yeah, but at the same time Johns also turned him into a heterosexual/maybe-bisexual, when he was likely a fag in the old continuity.
I haven't read this issue at all
That's a good point too
I thought Hal staying a Black Lantern for a while after Johns' finale would have been cool but I guess it wouldn't have been practical to implement
there's always a chance for slutty Sapphire Hal, maybe? yes?
bisexuality is fine
No, I think it's more the fact that no one gave a fuck about the character.
I remember back when it was selling low and we were rationalizing "surely they won't cancel it so soon! Didio's working on it! He'll make it last!" Ha ha haaaaaa
That's his daughter, Soranik
The yellows captured her but she decided to stick around to keep an eye on Sinestro
Yeah, Forever People was an incredibly big risk.
It's the Forever People.
It was doomed from the start, like Godhead and it's depiction of the New Gods.
...Didio and Giffen's Female Furies?
They're ALL new.
it's not like he was a confirmed homo before Johns either
I dunno, I think most people are aware that the Forever People are not big sellers
and Didio said early on that it was most likely going to be a short run
Sinestro seems like someone who would be more interested in their personality rather than gender.
>Straight? Jordan, do you think your primitive planet's views on sexuality extend to more civilized worlds? The people of Korugar take their lovers... regardless of gender...
nice job you stupid idiots
break them up and burn this pairing to the ground
that WAS an odd addition, yeah
>kyle becomes most powerful lantern
>is sought after by high father
>can be the biggest threat to them
>gets his power taken away
>and chucked out like garbage
Once again, Kyle is rendered irrelevant until Hal comes by and saves the day in some crazy scheme.
they should just leave Kyle a GL, he might just be one of many but he's not completely useless 90% of the time when he's green
I'm skipping the Forever People issues but let me just point out that on the last page of #5 B'ox, Stel and B'dg showed up
I agree completely. Every time Kyle gets some super power boost, he's too damn powerful and jobs and becomes useless. He at least got to put Relic into the source wall but his whole stint as Space Jesus has been uneventful and irrelevant.
it is a pretty great scheme
Well if you're going to quote the quran why not now?
Atrocitus deserved better!
And him being the white lantern but being pretty much irrelevant and worthless makes all the "BUT HE'S SO POWERFUL AND UNIQUE" stuff more obnoxious because it's even more meaningless!