We could have had a short-haired Rebecca.
>Jafar was originally going to be voiced by Patrick Stewart
>Shenzi was originally going to be voiced by Tommy Chong
>Waternoose was originally going to be voiced by Leonard Nimoy
>Gideon (Honest John's partner in Pinocchio) was originally going to be voiced by Mel Blanc, and they actually had all the lines recorded before they were cut
>the Beatles-esque vultures in The Jungle Book were originally going to be voice by the actual fucking Beatles
There was supposed to be a Pacific Rim cartoon.
It's pretty much burning in development hell right now.
But that would make the movie a meaningful critisism of corprate greed and personal corruption instead of making money of punchline and preaching about pollution without suggesting normal people were responsible for it.
Well, this is the song they replaced it with.
This song plays as he first starts chopping down the trees, rather than as he first starts forming an actual company. This means less time is spent watching him actually disobey the Lorax.
The love interest is also confirmed to have been added in a later draft. Originally, Ted just wanted to be the first kid on his block to have a tree. The Thneedville demo shows this.
You never read the book/watched the TV special, did you?
It's a mess. The whole thing is a design-by-committee jumble of what hollywood thpught was trendy. The Onceler is a scrawny beta hipster who only clear cut the forrest becuase his family was a bunch of greedy trailer trash who manipulated and guilt tripped into betraying the lorax in order to wash him of any actual resposibility for his wrongs. His downfall happens over the course of one song. The side plot is dreadful, and the ending is so trite and idiotic that it's insulting.
What they threw away would have been much more memorable
Instead we got "LE PuLL XDD LeVaR KRANK!"
The Once-Ler being a "scrawny beta hipster" is actually the one thing I liked about the movie. Making him likable hammers in the "THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU" message. However, adding in his family was a horrible, horrible idea. He should have decided to cut down the trees on his own.
Oh, come on. Kingdom of the Sun looked interesting, but The Emperor's New Groove is legitimately the funniest movie Disney has ever made.
I watched The Sweatbox the other day. I felt for the people who saw their work destroyed, but this is something that happens with a lot of movies, and often they're better for it. WALL-E originally would've had the humans go extinct and devolve into sentient blobs of Jello.
Of course, movies can be worse for it, too. I'm also one of the guys in this thread ranting about The Lorax.
>Prince and the Pauper story
Have you even seen The Sweatbox? It was going to be much more than that
Kuzco even had a bitch, and Owen Wilson was Pacha. The list goes on
why don't you hippies go kill yourselves already?
They did it because they knew fangirls would be clamoring for merchandise of him. They couldn't actually make him evil because people wouldn't buy his t-shirts and toys etc. Sort of like how in Frozen the real villain was the EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE HERMIT DEMIGOD WHO LEAVES HER KINGDOM TO FREEZE AND DIE BECAUSE SHE WAS SCARED.
>they knew fangirls would be clamoring for merchandise of him
They honestly had no idea. He wasn't on any of the posters or home video box art. Ted was given more coverage then him. Hell, there IS no merchandise of the Once-Ler. Everything you've seen is fan-made.
I like that Tumblr has, for once, zeroed in on the one good part of an otherwise bad movie. They're more interested in fucking it than fixing it, though.
There's a difference between caring about your bottom line and breaking every promise and burning every bridge and screwing over every person you can in the name of the mighty dollar.
I see The Lorax as a story about compromise, but that might be projection.
Speaking of compromise, this movie was set to make bank from the marquee value alone. There was no reason to neuter the story.
Banks, governments, pharmaceuticals and hospitals, junk food companies, cigarette companies, the list goes on. If you think nobody is making money at your expense, you're living in some happy little fantasy world.
>caring about Rebecca
>not even mentioning that shit-tier Grumman Goose ripoff
Well I'm glad they picked the Conwing L-16
I am not being fucked by anybody, I get paid more than I need to pay my living expenses, and have an aggressive 401k plan, my bank account is free, my health insurance is $120 a year.
the only time I feel like I'm getting fucked over is when I look at my pay stub and see I'm losing 40 cents of every dollar to taxes. it isnt corporations screwing us
>Banks, governments, pharmaceuticals and hospitals, junk food companies, cigarette companies, the list goes on.
Not much of a reader, are you? You're getting fucked, you're just not privy to how bad. Most people have an "ignorance is bliss" mentality because shit, it works. Everyone's cool with getting screwed because they don't realize how hard.
It's real. Sting agreed to record an entire soundtrack if his wife could make a documentary about the process. It painted disney in a bad light so they buried it. It got leaked a couple years ago. You should be able to find a torrent somewhere.
Are you a fucking huge company made up of utterly miserable overworked employees and several multi-millionares as majority shareholders?
Do you fucking love having an army of financial analysts and lawyers to help you avoid paying all taxes to your government and stash nearly all money overseas?
Do you love having those multi-millionaire shareholders then whine to the US public that their taxes are too high and that lower-class people need to start chipping in?
Then congratulations, you fucking live in America. Where every aspect of your life is calculated misery designed by the super-rich to make you fucking hate yourself but not want to rise up and promote a functional society. Fuck.
tell me how I'm being screwed though. I have disposable income to spend on nonsense, free time to sit on the computer, and all the food I want any time I want it.
as far as being screwed goes this isn't a bad deal.
I was homeless 4 years ago
This is also why there are only like a dozen voice actors in Oblivion, they blew their entire budget on Stewart (who only had like 10 lines + a small monologue) and Sean Bean (who wasn't much better).
Their payment is fair, they cannot be miserable
>Do you fucking love having an army of financial analysts and lawyers to help you avoid paying all taxes to your government and stash nearly all money overseas?
is that supposed to be a bad thing?
>Do you love having those multi-millionaire shareholders then whine to the US public that their taxes are too high and that lower-class people need to start chipping in?
rich people suffer more from taxation than poor people
>Where every aspect of your life is calculated misery designed by the super-rich to make you fucking hate yourself but not want to rise up and promote a functional society
Maybe you should aspire to be on top of things rather than being a whining victim that will never be satisfied?
But no, of course not. You're the type of uninspired retard that would go to college to learn how to fucking draw
From the Nightwing pitch that never got greenlit.
From my understanding, those were just for the TTG shorts that were done before TTG became its own show.
Not sure what's going on right now, but here's something kinda topic related
Probably wouldn't have saved the movie, but I think Zira would be a more interesting villain at least.
Why even try? They're not gonna listen because they think all the misery in the world is created by some boogeyman
guberment, coorperations, jews, whateverrather than the fairly simple yet slightly more terrifying truth.
But hey, as long as people can bitch about shit like this they don't have any other problems in their lives. I guess that's something.
really not that interesting of a story. my chosen career path didn't make me any money, spent a year with literally 0 reliable income and was trying to make money where ever I could by selling things I had, collecting bottles, picking up day jobs where I could.
found reliable work in a bank, learned about banking, now I have a house, a car, and all the electronics I want.
someday I plan to acquire a nicer car and a bigger house
I hope you mean Twingo when you say "nicer" car.
Almost 5 years without a new season. Guess we'll have to make our own.
Yeah it really is galling how we have like, roads and police and firemen. If only we didn't have taxes so road use would be charged by the foot at rates depending on the land owner, you had to call your PMC of choice to solve burglaries, and if your wallet was left in the house fire you had no option but let it burn because you couldn't pay the Private Fire Brigade to help you.
most of that stuff is handled by local and state government which accounts for 10% of my income.
police are overpaid here and firemen are volunteer, operating on a donation basis.
I'm incredibly happy they closed half the police departments in my county recently because all you would see is cops cars parked 2-5 in a row hanging out in a 7-11 parking lot or under a train station not doing shit.
lets not forget about state lottery which generates hundreds of millions of dollars on a weekly basis, but for some reason nobody actually knows where that money goes
I love that 20% of my paycheck gets pissed away on social security so I can pay for someone elses retirement and contribute to the national deficit even more
He never got with Heloise, did he? Goddammit Jimmy!
What the fuck is this Fight Club tier nonsense you are spewing?
And what? Are you trying to act high and mighty because you are announcing the obvious? You sound like some cliché hippie rebel trying to fight the "big bad government". Life is not a movie and the stuff that you pointed out happens in every first world country. There is no fighting or avoiding it unless you decide to live in a rainforest or some third world hellhole.
You are aware that this shit happens in other countries other than America right? It must be nice to be 14 years old and have everything on your hands while shouting nonsense on an imageboard.
Batfamily in No Man's Land cartoon that didn't happen.
We would've got an animated Cass.
These are for a Titmouse pitch to Nickelodeon for a show called Prodigal. Apparently it was picked up by someone else and will no longer be a cartoon.
Looks like it would just be a Pacific Rim wannabe. And considering we're getting a PR cartoon eventually it was probably canned because they knew they couldn't compete with the brand.
Pacific Rim came out in 2013. This was before it. And it looks nothing like Pacific Rim.
Thank you for telling me.
Kevin Dart design for Baymax and Hiro
They churned through a ton of designs for Baymax
The masked guy originally had sexy henchladies on rollerskates
while i do like the original song better
they should've have it start out bright & cheerful like the final song but have get progressively darker & more depressing like the original song as the musical number went on
More Kevin Dart Baymax designs
Things get actually fucking spooky from this point on.
i wanna watch frozen because i heard it was good inspite of it's executive meddling
but i'm kinda miffed that we never got the original product and it kinda bugs me how it seems elsa isn't the villain like in the original story
Some Samurai looking Baymax armour by Shiyoon Kim
Similar designs by Shigeto Koyama (from Studio Trigger)
Last one and personal favorite.
Btw, these are all scrapped Epic Mickey concept art from when they wanted to market it toward adults
Designs by Lorelay Bove
Before it was a theme park, Epcot was supposed to be a city.
Epic Mickey is the most disappointing thing in the universe.
It's appalling how squeaky clean and safe the final product is
Also here's a thing that totally should have happened
Instead you just see it in the background in one scene
I read somewhere that they knew from the start Disney would never greenlight the Epic Mickey concept art so they just went ahead and tried to push their limits as much as possible.
Even still though, the final product should have never been as bad as it was.
This could be plausibly in a Kingdom Hearts game
Kingdom Hearts 1's final dungeon was a fucked up macrocosm of elements, old disney worlds torn apart, enemies that were religious in appearance (demons, 8 winged angels and shit).
Too bad they would want it cut down alot
I always liked this one the most, That, along with the bear scorpion and the narwhal with the shattered Epicot on its back really drove home the idea of scavenging the Wasteland for anything that would hold together.
They were just concept pieces so we shouldn't have gotten our hopes up, but man what could have been, huh?
Everything in both Allspark Almanacs make me upset they never went anywhere with the series after Hasbro said "NOPE LOL WE HAVE THE HUB NOW" and made Prime. And while Prime was fucking amazing, the amount of shit they had planned (or tossed around) for TFA was staggering.
>G1 Cyclonus shows up from another dimension in order to align himself with the Megatron of the TFA universe because of how similar he is to G1 Megatron
>Ironhide was supposed to be a main Earth Autobot and was going to get his own Earth-mode toy.
>Rosanna and kissplay being mentioned
>Rosanna being a decepticon spy
>disney will never do another traditionally-animated feature
i think the problem is that it ALMOST never really works out when you try to take family friendly things like disney characters and try to make them dark & gritty
one of the major factors being that the high ups don't want to see their properties used in such a way
and the other being that it normally doesn't resonate well with a general audiences
The End of the World
Paired it off with music that was essentially spooky chanting.
Probably my favorite final dungeon in all of video games
Dude, at least 75% of the "information" in the Allspark Almanacs was fabricated by Sorenson.
Even Derrick Wyatt has gone on account via Twitter, denouncing those books as "fan fiction".
You're a faggot if you think anything beyond the episode summaries is legit info about the show.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire was supposed to have a television series that would have crossed over with Gargoyles. It got scrapped and the episodes made were combined into this clusterfuck of a movie.
Dinosaur was originally planned to be a documentary-like film, with no dialogue and a story told verbally.
>tfw the trailer is better than the actual film
I think we should either call this "9 Syndrome" or "Dinosaur Syndrome".
I know! Fucking ruined Disney for me. Traditional animation built Disney, I just don't like Disney no more, I like some of the stuff Disney has put out, but when they severed their traditional animation department I was so fucking pissed.
But Glen Keane, a former traditional animator for Disney (who they fired) independently released his own animation, and let me just say it's absolutely beautiful.
The Emperor's New Groove is fan-fucking-tastic though
>What they threw away would have been much more memorable
Kill yourself for your shit taste
>LE PuLL XDD LeVaR KRANK!"
Make that two bullets
Not sure how I feel about this in comparison to the final TTG design. The eye shadow is absolutely tryhard, and I like the off-kilter expressiveness that she gets from her more rounded eyes in the show. The overall detailing and representation of Raven relative to the original series is definitely better here though, especially the hair obviously.
One of the worst things about TTG for me (and that's saying something) is just how bland the artstyle is.
It doesn't feel like they tried to do anything different other than just chibi-ing the original designs.
There's a whole lot more wrong with it, but at least it could have looked decent.
He left the position of director for Tangled because he had some illness (plus he was taking a stupidly long time with it), and stayed on to supervise the animation. And then when it was finished it was his decision to leave.
Also, man, Duet isn't that great. It's like he's running on autopilot.
No it couldn't. KH is really clean and happy most of the time and when it's not it's just generic darkness stuff. There's no horrible puppet horror amalgamations and Dead Space style Disney characters.
Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers started off as a series for The Rescuers
At one point these were supposed to be the main cast
>Carnage, Scorpion, Hydro-Man and Hobgoblin would have appeared
>Marina Sirtis as Emily Osborn
>Gwen possibly dying
And a shit-ton of other things discussed here:
From an artistic standpoint 3D is still the way to go because there's so much more innovation to be had. 2D was pretty much mastered and sticking with it for tradition's sake wouldn't be the creative path.
>there's so much more innovation to be had. 2D was pretty much mastered
By the Japanese sure. Disney has been blown the fuck out countless times by anime movies that have looked better and done more interesting stuff than they ever have. Disney didn't even try to compete.
>It doesn't feel like they tried to do anything different other than just chibi-ing the original designs.
Well, as far as Raven goes, I feel like they changed her substantially (hence the comments in my post). Cyborg too, for that matter.
Anyway, overall I think the TTG redesigns are accomplished, more comical interpretations of the originals, which is exactly what I want for this show. Perhaps the underlying aesthetic which promotes those sensibilities is bland, but any meaningful change in that regard would have to be truly radical.
I disagree. I think there's still some innovation that can be found with 2D. Hell, as Paperman showed us, there's some way we can even join it with 3D in a proper manner. I know the tech's not perfected yet, but still..
An effort to emulate a particular characteristic, attitude, atmosphere, or setting, that is so poorly executed as to be laid bare before the intended audience in all of its failings, thereby interfering with immersion suspension of disbelief.
In other words, the eye shadow makes Raven look like something out a Bratz commercial rather than a superhero.
In the OP? There absolutely is.
I hate when people use this as a good example of animation. This is a bad example of animation, you're just blinded by how pretty it is. Look at it in a more objective way:
Just moving up and down. All you're doing is just taking the 'image' and moving it. Very minimal effort, anyone can do it with small knowledge.
>guy looking down to paper, hand moving as he's drawing
Very minimal movement.
>Guy shown again, moves head to side
Minimal movement, but the most out of that scene which isn't saying much.
>camera moves over woman
No animation at all.
You can give an illustrator this job and they could probably do it, despite not being trained in animation.
>that verse about social darwinism
cutting this was an incredible mistake
Here's some animation by an actual animator then. (Shinya Ohira)
This thread isn't about this.
>but almost all of your criticisms have no basis in reality.
How does it not? Do tell me how minimal animation, which can be objectively seen, is a good example of animation? Look at it in another way: if you were to watch this scene only in its original pencils, would it look amazing? Of course not, because very minimal is happening and the technicalities are basic.
You'd think a person who fawns over the animation in Japan would at least post something from Redline.
That's a good example. Those hands turn me the fuck on.