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Tonight's episode: Out of Time
>TIME RUNS OUT FOR CENTRAL CITY - Mark Mardon aka The Weather Wizard (guest star Liam McIntyre) appears in Central City intent on avenging his brother Clyde's death, and sets his sights on Joe (Jesse L. Martin), who shot Clyde. When Mardon attacks Joe and Barry (Grant Gustin), Barry is able to super-speed them to safety but Mardon gets away. Barry warns Joe not to go after a meta-human alone but Joe doesn't listen and ends up in grave danger. Meanwhile, Cisco (Carlos Valdes) looks into the night the team captured the Reverse Flash and realizes something doesn't add up and begins to wonder whether Joe was right about Dr. Wells (Tom Cavanagh). Barry and Linda (guest star Malese Jow) end up on an awkward double date with Eddie (Rick Cosnett) and Iris (Candice Patton). Thor Freudenthal directed the episode written by Todd Helbing & Aaron Helbing
>Wells reveals his true nature
>Probably was on his was to kill Caitlin
>Black dad pretty much dead
>Barry reveals himself to Iris
>Barry travels back in time
So basically almost the entire episode didn't happen.
I didn't want Eddie to become evil because of how pure he is but he's completely justified at this point.
There's only one way this can end.
Barry's gotta pull a Man of Steel.
yes but lets be frank, it was clearly heading to a bad end. even if barry managed to save the city from weather wizard and rescue joe, cisco was dead and caitlin was certainly going to die next. neither of them told barry anything about wells and he could either make a bullshit story that barry would believe in the midst of guilt or disappear entirely and just remain active as reverse flash only.
There you go
The episode served as to open up the plot for the viewers and get the them hyped
So MarvelTV is shit?
I kinda think so since everything it does is for the movies which kills any interesting plotlines it could do because it might not fall in line with MCU.
I'm glad WB/DC decided not to to do the shared universe. The main plotline of AoS is stagant and dependent on the movies and Agent Carter barely creates a backstory for Shield like it was supposed too and Peggy was kinda boring.
Except Iris or Linda is gonna get killed first by Eobard.
Does anybody else feel bad for Linda that Barry is dating her despite the fact he STILL has feelings for Iris? Don't fucking toy around with people like that.
So since it's confirmed that Wells is Eobard, will they also follow up on the whole "every bad thing that has ever happened to you was orchestrated by me" shtick?
no, because he's actually trying to get over Iris when she expressed no interest in having romantic relations with him. He's not just going to sit around going "gosh i sure hopel Iris breaks up with Eddie so I can have a shot at her! It might happen some day!"
>Your mentor, and father figure since you have issues with your actual family, the guy you'd chilled with and watched old movies with the very last night, is a murdering, lying psychopath.
>And now he's going to kill you.
I'd blubber like a bitch too.
to be fair, flash is an adaptation of major story lines.
while AoS, kinda, sorta needs to find its own place in the larger mcu.
they can´t just pull characters/arcs left and right.
So it begs the question, what changes does Barry make since he's back at the morgue investigation?
Does Iris still have her conversation with that reporter whose gonna expose Wells? Because Iris will ask Barry like she originally did, but since he's already heard it, he won't bring it up to Cisco and Caitlin.
But then this brings the question that Eobard finds out? Because the article that exposes Fake Wells is coming out next week...so does Barry's time travel shenanigans avert that from happening?
The same applies to Captain Cold finding out Barry's identity from Cisco whose been seduced and ensnared by Golden Glider.
gets shit quality at some parts, sorry, but heres city run
i did, but I stopped because I didn't want to make a dedicated thread for it. if theres enough interest i can though
>talk about how he hates his family and would rather hang with wells than them.
>wells, who has been like a father to him and who openly says cisco is like a son to him, kills him.
Just arrived from class. Where's my torrent?
They can go for Butterfly Effect, the simple fact Barry travel back can change everything or because Barry knows everything the day before he will do things different and that will make somethings never happen or happen different, but lets wait for next week.
The promo at least seems great
it sounds like barry plans to go directly to wells about it and let him know, meaning wells isn't going to be with caitlin at all and will instead be trying to manage the situation with barry. cisco learns the truth but wells has no opportunity to kill him before he tells everyone else because he has to do damage control on the timeline.
however something vastly different will happen because captain cold and heatwave are now back too. weather wizard might get stopped early now because barry knows what he plans to do.
So this was a great time travel episode.
>WHOLE CITY WOULD'VE DIED
>BARRY CONFESSED LOVE TO IRIS
and now we are back to status quo. It was really well executed.
The guy had surveillance photos of Wells going into Stagg Industries the night Simon disappeared. He's been actively investigating Wells since the particle accelerator "accident". I'm willing to bet he's pieced-together enough dirt to actually expose Wells. I concede it might a bluff on his part to make Iris gain info from Barry, but judging from what he's had so far, I'm willing to bet it's legit.
caption this /co/
gentlemen please, we just had based cisco experience death
That's true. Wells is pretty good at doing damage control by admitting a partial truth or half-life to cover his tracks.
>however something vastly different will happen because captain cold and heatwave are now back too. weather wizard might get stopped early now because barry knows what he plans to do.
Barry has the drop on Weather Wizard which results in a massive battle where the Flash saves Starling City from a tsunami or hurricane. It makes national news which prompts Cold and Heatwave to show up and mug the spotlight.
>“Our season finale is also something to be reckoned with … it escalates nicely.”
>I think that’s what’s really great about our show and this episode. If they’re gonna do this in Episode 15 I can only imagine what the season finale is like and that’s exactly how you should feel, you can only imagine what the finale’s going to be like.”
hold me /co/
Add Chili making Ollie and it's perfect.
thanks man, i knew i wasn't sure if i was supposed to put the post number at the end with or without the ">"
holy shit look at this
Agents of Shield usually goes through two or three threads. Tonight's episode just wasn't that interesting. Not even comparing the two, they just spent the majority of the episode building up to a short fight sequence that wasn't that exciting.
there are still tons to do, they are using Sif and Lorelei already. Why not more. Why not make up new villains or enemies. They are secret agents kinda, they cant come up with anything new? We are gonna have civil war why not have more heroes.
I bet the rest of the season or season three is just gonna be clean up duty for AoU.
>yfw the timetravel ripple leads to the Flash: The Musical episode in the future
That or she's from an alternate dimension where Laurel went on the boat with Oliver and was the first Canary or something. The team up show will have a time travel, might as well have someone from an alternate Earth too.
I'm not sure if Ivo would've kept Laurel alive as long as he did with Sara. It's very possible that during the Choose crisis that Ivo shoots Laurel instead of Shado, thus Slade doesn't go full-out dark side while Ollie probably becomes nasty.
They're probably branching off in alternate time lines, old Barry will continue on and do everything like during the episode in his world, new Barry will change everything in this world.
There's a small thread. It was an alright pilot but it needs more elements of the comic book. >>70389681
The only time if went through more than 1 thread was when the inhumans were confirmed other than that it's one thread. Even the Sif episode last week only got one thread.
Without the direct MCU connection AoS is pretty shit.
the problem is the AoS writing/creative staff/ people in charge just aren't that good and make really bad decisions and seem to take the longest most boring route to get anywhere. Now the real question is "is this what the people are doing intentionally or is someone even higher up constantly fucking them over so they aren't able to do anything the way they want to" why bets more that the in-charge creative team (the whedon's) is just that fucking incompetent
So, this pretty much sets up doppelganger world like Buffy, right? We get evil Cisco, evil Killer Frost, not really evil but really edgy and mean Flash. And they cross streams time to time? I know Cisco is supposed to be Vibe, but it would be cooler if he was a mad evil scientist.
>Goes back in time.
>Causes time boom that is just enough to change some events in history.
>Barry meets Oliver again.
>Takes a walk around the arrow cave and opens a random drawer.
Barry discovers Oliver's secret cookbook filled with his home made chili recipes.
I kinda see it as a bad mistake not to include the stars of the MCU. AoS feels like a ripoff. Oh you wanted the avengers, no your getting the Agents of Shield. Their boss is trying to hip. If I'm making sense.
Weather Wizard was actually my favorite part of this episode. The character is a true menace and Liam McIntyre has this really subtle gravitas to him that just makes you hang on to every word
>Liam McIntyre has this really subtle gravitas to him that just makes you hang on to every word
What really? He's always been bland as fuck to me ever since watching him on Spartacus.
Maybe I'm still asspained about Andy passing and how mediocre Liam felt in comparison.
It's Captain Cold. The hype train won't stop.
They pulled an Interstellar in this episode in my view, because the whole thing of Barry seeing that afterimage of himself from the future in conjunction with us knowing about what happened that night Nora Allen died, it was a real Murphy's law illustration
>legitimately scream at the Eobard reveal
>calm down a bit
>drive down to the university campus to print shit out for class tomorrow
>think more about the episode I just watched
>scream some more in the car
>Maybe I'm still asspained about Andy passing and how mediocre Liam felt in comparison.
Liam was a lot better in many ways acting as Spartacus, but that may be due to the fact we got to see Liam act in more situations surrounding the war than what we say with Andy just being a gladiator. What I really enjoyed about Liam, that I didn't see in Andy, was the mystic. Liam's very hushed tone along with the bite in his voice he can make when he's very clearly not amused, made him seem like he was more than just a man. He really acted like a deity
I can hear glimpses of that in him doing Weather Wizard, which is interesting because that character thinks he is an actual God
they are definitely saving it for the barry episode
>Don't you get it barry? DONT YOU UNDERSTAND IT?? IT WAS ME BARRY. IT WAS ME THE WHOLE TIME.
>stay tuned to previews from the next season of flash
aww fuck I will have to rewatch the episode to see everything that can possibly change.
I know for sure he will be at the precinct before weather wizard gets there
I meant in the sense that Nora dying is something that will go wrong and will happen no matter what Barry does, because it's linked to him being in the position to actually go back and save his mom. Like how Cooper in Interstellar couldn't stop his past self from going on the expedition because it led him to being in the Tesseract
He wanted to kill Barry in the past.
He either fails that or finds out he can't kill Barry without killing himself, so he kills Barry's mom instead.
Thawne runs out of da speedforce and is trapped there on the day he killed Nora Allen, so he has to live out the 15 years in that timeline and make Barry da Flash so he can steal his speedforce and get back to the future.
>Just finished watching the episode
Holy fucking shit /co/ I have never fapped so furiously my entire.
>Cisco finding it's a recording
>Iris confesses her feelings
>Barry reveals he's the flash
gif related^999999999 (I can't handle all this hype)
There was a huge billboard of this for a while near work, and all I could think of was different Wells expressions shopped on every player.
>watch this show weekly with my roommate
>find out about the hiatus
>the entire time we're groaning about the wait because of the HYPE
>our faces when this whole episode
>that entire Cisco / Eobard scene
Holy fuck. Let's just take a minute. Forget all the hype, forget the gorilla, forget Captain Cold being awesome, forget the Flash hype. That fucking scene, was so goddamn incredibly well done that it blows my mind it was a CW show. The writing, the acting, the reaction, goddamn.
Cisco actor fucking KILLED it, and so did Tom. That was far better than this show has any right to be.
Makes me think of this image
thats not murphys law
thats like a predestination paradox
if nora didnt die, barry might not be flash, and then zoom might not exist. so for zoom to exist, nora had to die
zoom didnt mean to kill nora, or didnt intend to, but he did because he always had, if he hadnt he wouldnt exist.
>then our faces at the end
HOW THE FUCK DO WE CONTAIN THE HYPE?!
Maybe I should clarify: mediocre as in I would follow Andy Spartacus into battle but I wouldn't for Liam Spartacus.
Blood and Sand set him up as just a man trying survive after being robbed of everything, and having to own being a gladiator/warrior to do. It was endearing and made his cause genuine. S1 finale was one of the most satisfying ends to a show I've seen in a while, even though he didn't kill Glaber then.
Then Vengeance came along and I didn't care of the hush tones because he just started a war against Rome. Quite voices and bad decisions are over. He didn't see like the same man who torn down a ludus and was coming for blood.
But like I said, maybe it was just me. I see where you're coming from though.
>people still think this is a good meme
It's not nearly as versatile as it needs to be to be spammed like this
Just insulate yourself like you should always be doing when you illegally download something
>but everything was hinted at being scaled down for the show...
Yeah, having Flash running against a tornado to unwind it and Wells having a newspaper from the future in the FIRST FUCKING EPISODE sure was hinting at things being scaled down... By the time Flash ran up a building and on water I knew the show would never be as "out there" as the comics and him outrunning a nuclear explosion that served to un-fuse two men just cemented the fact this show was going to be a grounded, realistic and gritty take on the Flash mytho...
i cant believe this show made a dark gritty realistic way to have a giant gorilla mind control an army general.
its almost as surprising as when they got mark hammil to say "Im the motherfucking trickster and im gonna slit your goddamn throat"
It's a rip off of multiple, more culturally enriched cities in the world. Just like every other city up here in Canada (except for everything in the Maritimes, those places are awesome)
But why does he have to lie about beign from the future and kill anybody who finds out? Why couldn't he just admit he's from the future and be upfront about wanting to use Barry's speed to return home?
The butterfly effect
he saves joe and the captain earlier
cisco never gets suspicious
He never goes to star labs and dies
captain cold breaks his shit
so, how is time travel gonnan work?
quantumed leaped to the past and alternate timeline or he fixies the timeline?
or was the scene at the begining future barry we saw, and past barry didnt stop? i have to wait 168 hours fuck
This brings up another point
Let's say flash was caught on camera saving the city from that typhoon
Would captain cold still want him dead knowing he is the only one preventing the city from being destroyed from stuff like that?
Probably something about time being malleable so that even though he saw himself time traveling earlier but failed he isn't destined to fail now. So a time loop with more choice in the matter instead of being a slave to destiny.
Why is all my evening's entertainment about time travel? What's the universe trying to tell me?
There's so many questions that come up from this episode. My main question is why the hell is Wells so hell bent on getting back to his time? I thought him wanting Barry to get faster just had something to do with the looming Crisis, but why would a Professor Zoom be so concerned with getting back home?
>Would captain cold still want him dead knowing he is the only one preventing the city from being destroyed from stuff like that?
>Would captain cold still want him dead
>want him dead
Nigger do you even understand how the rogues work? Cold doesn't want flash dead, he just wants to fuck with him because he enjoys the challenge and the fun of it. Crime is a side job of the rogues, outwitting the flash before getting captured is their true endgame. They have a really unique relationship.
Quick, someone post the page where trickster invites The Flash to lunch as a joke and he actually shows up to the rogue's party.
>The time travel already happened
>Eddie legitimately does punch Barry and kill cops
>it won't be reversed
>Golden boy really is evil
>it's all because of Iris
is eobard even a real name, though?
I was under the impression that RAHS is the proper arabic pronunciation, but because of BTAS pronouncing it RAYSH, that's generally the accepted canon for the DC universe
(kinda like how in A:TLA, aang's name is supposed to be pronounced ong, but it's not)
That's not how they are right now in the show. Cold and Heatwave want to get rid of the Flash so they can continue to commit crime in the city without any interference. Cold just respects the Flash's role in the world to make him a better criminal
We all know childhood friend never wins
Can you hear it /co/?
The hype. It calls my name. It wants me join it. To become one with it. To leave behind this mortal land behind and enter the train that never stops.
I'm sure you do /co/. After this episode of Flash, there's at least one of you who do.
Fear not /co/, accept the change, for in this land the hype never ends.
it would seem that he's siphoning speed force for his own power, and so his training barry is purely for speed force purposes (early comic versions of zoom got their powers this way too)
his overall motive isn't really clear though. wanting to prevent a crisis doesn't make that much more sense than wanting to get back to his own timeline, and neither are particularly zoom-y (as we know him)
This is not the comics. Barry Allen was never fostered with a black Iris West by her dad.
I want Barry and Linda because it's a different continuity and Iris is practically his sister.
Maybe he's the only meta in his time and wants to be unstoppable
Which begs the question, why fuck with Barry in the first place? What made you the Reverse Flash if you're som comfy in the future? Comics Thawne left his time of his own volition and doesn't seem to care about going back, unless it's to alter his own past
Yeah, why would Zoom already hate Barry enough to try to kill him as a kid? Has he time travelled before? If he is why did this attempt get him stuck in the past?
Goddamn the writing of this show is so good.
he went back in time to kill barry. the future onyl exists because of barry's heroics in the crisis. therefore he loses his speedforce and gets stuck since his powers and his future depend on barry allen becoming the flash.
while i was hyped for time-travel, i really was (and still am) worried about how this affects arrow. i love both shows but i really hope arrow doesn't suffer/change because of this, but it has to, right? time travel just doesnt magically affect one show and leaves the other alone? what the fuck man. i really hope they lay down some ground rules for this shit, because as good as flash is, it's not worth fucking up arrow for.
Cisco will be too distracted by Flash's ability to timetravel to bother looking into Wells. Iris will be distracted by Barry macking on her and that will delay her from talking to her reporter friend, which will lead to Barry not having the seed of doubt planted in his head about Wells.
Is barry's short term memory fucked because of how fast he processes information?
This is the second time someone tried to tell him about dr. wells and he just shushed them and forgot about it
Man, I see you post this shit in every flash thread. You need to stop.
I'm thinking that Flashpoint (if we're going to call it that) is what might bring Sara back to life. Unless the first thing Ollie does when he learns about the Pit is dig up Sara and throw her in.
In my Vietnamese cartoons they still win from time to time.
But fuck that, in this case I want Linda to win.
Fuck Iris, so hot but too much watered down by being a cunt.
So in the comics, why does Eobard hate Barry? Did he just blame Barry for his own obsessiveness and shitty life (even though it was his future self fucking himself over just to create himself to get revenge on barry?)
I absolutely cannot stand how autistic people get over pronouncing the name "wrong". Different people with different dialects pronounce words differently, ESPECIALLY names. Look at some Asian names and try to pronounce them, then listen to how the Asians pronounce it. Guarantee you it will be completely different. Same principle here.
Except he's not. Flash went back in time to about two days before, so he's not dead "yet." And he won't be because Flash is immediately going to change history by running to everyone and going HEY GUYS I CAN TIME TRAVEL.
>“Liam is coming back this season, he’s in episode 16 but he’s also coming back later in the season,” Kreisberg said. “We’ve been really blessed with the Rogues and hopefully building up to a real Rogues episode the way we would all love to see it.”
Are your buttholes ready for the Rogues to help the Flash defeat Zoom in the finale?
but time travel doesn't magically affect only one city. how the fuck does that make any sense
i wasnt saying either show is better than the other, its just not worth it to mess with it in the end. also this is the first time i've posted in a flash thread in months, get over yourself. whoever you think i am, i'm not.
this, actually make sense, kind of. but i'm still worried about the "what if" i guess.
doesn't this negate the entire point of the current season (sara)?
You think barry watched any time travel movies before
He apparently didn't seem to think about the repercussions of changing history in the next episode.
I guess you have to test whether or not it's a mutable effect or not.
Isn't Eobard the one that was Flash's biggest fan and then went crazy when he saw video footage of Flash killing him?
So then he went back in time using an old flash suit to kill flash and stop it from happening. But then all the bad shit he did caused Flash to kill him accidentally.
>What really? He's always been bland as fuck to me ever since watching him on Spartacus.
>Maybe I'm still asspained about Andy passing and how mediocre Liam felt in comparison.
He was quite boring true, but you're also subconsciously comparing him to Andy.
Liam did a good job as WW but yeah, Zoom really overshadowed him tonight. He'll be back so hopefully he has more screen time.
This is why Flash threads suck sometimes. Everything is great, tonight's episode was fucking amazing and then there's always the few shitters that go "not muh fun Arrow sucks"
Can any of you go ONE fucking thread without talking about Arrow?
As Barry is the only one time traveling it would only affect the things that Barry decides to interact with. Everything else happens the exact same way again.
I hope you're trolling.
There are a few different versions, but...
> Eobard obsessed w/ Barry
> Time travels to go see him
> Accidentally doesn't travel far back enough
> Arrives just in time to find out that Barry Allen only ever killed one man - Eobard Thawne
> Suffers a nervous breakdown and vows revenge as he goes back in time to fuck up Barry's life
Tucked in there somewhere also is a version where he tried to become the Flash/Flash partner by putting on a copy of Barry's suit and basically creating disasters so he could save people from them, but the real Barry caught on and was like "no, dude, that's not how this works".
>doesn't this negate the entire point of the current season (sara)?
Sara was the starting point but not really the main focus now. She's obviously going to be coming back to life somehow due to the spoilers her actress revealed about her role in the new show, it's just a question of whether she gets Laz'd or time travelled at this point.
Cisco may be "fated" to die at Zoom's hands at some point, or just die in general, but it definitely won't be within the next few episodes. So new timestream, so he's still alive.
>I was under the impression that RAHS is the proper arabic pronunciation
Yeah, it's closer than RAYSH at least. The proper way has a rolled tongue in there, so it almost sounds like a sharp T in the middle. Like RAHHHTZ.
Arrow > Flash and I'll tell you why.
Flash is just HYPE after HYPE after HYPE after HYPE. There's some good scenes here and there (like Barry/Henry "if my son WERE the flash" or Cisco/Eobard "think of you like a son") but a vast majority of it is mediocre that you guys ramp up because it's new and HYPE. I guarantee you when the season if finished and you go back and rewatch it all you'll have a very diminished view of the show because outside of the HYPE moments it's pretty shallow. The show lives off it's HYPE and easter eggs, not the quality of the show itself.
Arrow on the other hand is about substance. Say what you will about S3 being bad (which it isn't, it's above S1 and slightly under S2 in terms of quality) but the show doesn't rely on HYPE after HYPE after HYPE, blowing it's proverbial load in it's first season like the Flash is.
Seriously, think about it. What's left to do in Flash that's going to be new and HYPE? They've introduced Zoom, they've had that whole plotline going all year, they just did the reveal of Eobard and Eddie, you already have Grodd, you have Captain Cold, you have time travel, you have speedforce. They're taking all the A+ material from 70+ years of Flash and putting it all in the first season. By all accounts, you guys will HATE Season 2 simply because it's not full of hype after hype after hype moments like S1 has been.
Arrow > Flash. Period.
They're still both fucking incredible and some of the best TV I've seen in years though.
Lazarus and time travel seem like the most obvious options to you due to what has happened on both shows but there are other ways to bring people back to life and we know nothing about the new show that could provide any context.
Damn, that whole scene hit me hard. You could feel what Cisco was going through by his expressions alone. And Eobard telling him that he was like a son to him....damn. Cisco's actor really sold it.
because the shows are connected.
this is a good point. it'll definitely be interesting to see what will happen.
yeah, like i said, that makes sense. and he didn't go that far back anyway so there's not much to worry about. whatever happened in the last few hours of starling city just gets repeated off-screen. why would i be trolling?
>“The scene between Tom and Carlos [Valdes (Cisco)]…we didn’t even script that [Cisco] cries,” Kreisberg shared. “And this notion that Tom and Carlos worked out, that the minute [Wells] walks into the room, [Cisco] knows he’s going to die. I just get chills even thinking about it — it wasn’t something we intended, it’s what they brought to it.”
Either way she's coming back to life. But more than that, they've got too many damn "bring em back to life" options as it is. I'd like them to keep it to four for the time being.
>"Imagine if one of us was transported back into the past with no antibiotics and no internet and no indoor plumbing,' said Kreisberg. "Every day in this time is an assault on him."
>i can't actually refute any of the points you made, so instead ill just call you an idiot and leave it to someone else to hopefully do it for me
There's only one idiot here, and it's not me.
I appreciate how good that scene was but I don't think that "like a son to me" was really conveyed much of this season. That's one of the reasons everyone thought the narration was talking about Barry during the teasers.
Seriously? You're honestly enjoying Arrow more than Flash right now? The first season of Arrow was mostly soap opera garbage and origin story stuff which went by super slow, season 2 started out pretty much the same and only got good when Slade showed up. Season 3 has been all over the place with different story arcs floating around everywhere like the writers don't know what they're doing so they steal material from Batman. How can you say that's better than the not EVEN one season of Flash?
The episode we see is the one that happens in the universe timeline barry is currently in
Had barry just went about his day and we weren't an omnicient observer we wouldn't even know he went back in time
imagine they aired next weeks episode today but didnt even air the one that played today
we would be like wtf
I've said it on a previous thread.
There are two things that make the The Flash so great right now. One, it really benefits by being in it's first season. They generate a lot of speed here by introducing a lot of characters and slowly revealing big chunks of certain big characters every episodes. They can do a lot and still tell a cohesive story without it being too much. Two, the show is about the Flash. Where the two shows differ is that Arrow started off and is pretty much still running on the Smallville formula of this being a general adaption show of DC mythology, with Oliver Queen being the anchor. The world is being created through Oliver's journey of becoming the Green Arrow. The Flash, is just the Flash. It's totally unencumbered and it lets you really focus
I wouldn't compare the two shows just yet. I want to see how the Flash can keep momentum over 3 or 4 seasons and see how well the writers can deal with the consequences of everything introduced in the first season.
Some /pol/ anons hate Iris because 1)the dont like endgame 2)we rejected by a qt black girl 3)too beta in real life.
Linda has only been in two episodes, she had a chance to leave this bullshit with Barry not getting over Iris but she stayed so it's her fault.
Now that Barry know Iris feels the same, he's gonna go full Mack. Linda never stood a chance.
So this is all Caitlin's fault, right? If she hadn't taken her eyes off Wells for a second he wouldn't have been able to kill Cisco, since apparently that was the only thing keeping him from getting up.
I could only find the last page of the issue
>You're honestly enjoying Arrow more than Flash right now?
I'm enjoying them both but in different ways.
Flash is for the...flash....
Arrow for the substance.
In the long run, substance > flash every single time. Outside the Zoom/Flash rivalry there's no substance to Flash.
>>yfw Weather Wizard interacts with Deathstroke, and Amanda Waller and Captain Boomerang fight nearby
>mfw Deathstroke meets Amanda Waller and no more MUH SHADO
>>“The scene between Tom and Carlos [Valdes (Cisco)]…we didn’t even script that [Cisco] cries,” Kreisberg shared. “And this notion that Tom and Carlos worked out, that the minute [Wells] walks into the room, [Cisco] knows he’s going to die. I just get chills even thinking about it — it wasn’t something we intended, it’s what they brought to it.”
Valdes just went way up the top actors of the Flash list.
Full Rogue Team-up
And literally anything else DC that CW doesn't have planned for arrow
>Outside the Zoom/Flash rivalry there's no substance to Flash.
That's because you're comparing half a season to a show that's been going on for nearly three. The Flash is still in the process of building up different arcs and shit for the future, like Grodd and the Rouges and everything else. Look back at Arrow season 1, can you really say it had THAT much going for it at the time?
So Green Batman died, then comes back for no real explained reason other than magic tea. Then he spends three episodes moping in a snow cabin with ayy lmao and her husband, Keanu. Laurel decides fighting crime is her duty even though she's lanky as fuck and hasn't got HALF the fighting prowess of her DCAU counterpart (not to mention her ugliness and lack of Sonic Screech) so she proceeds to go around beating up random thugs and, when the time comes to actually fight she jobs to make threats seem realer than they are. Not Red Hood fucks around and does nothing for the episodes he's even in, other than bitch at Green Batman and stalk a widow and her kid (creepy much?). Green Batman then decides it's cool to team up with Malcolm because "we need him" even though Malcolm has done jack shit other than be a vent for Thea's emotions so far.
Ras is severely underused despite being advertised as the villain of S3. Slade as only used in one episode, for no reason. Diggle is Diggle. Ray cucks Ollie, Felicity bitches about "muh vigilantism".
Nothing really good has happened this season. It's all fucking filler, and FOR WHAT?
>generate a lot of speed
if you drop a pebble in a pond it doesn't make ripples in a different pond.
because Barry (the only person who time traveled) didn't interact with anyone in Starling, events that happen in Starling are not changed by him going back in time. They play out the same way.
And regardless this is all hypothetical. We're not talking about reality, we're talking about a narrative. Events happen from the perspective of the audience. Tonight's episode wasn't a cross-over ep, and neither is tomorrow's Arrow, which means that whatever happened, happened off-screen, and we are always watching the most recent, up-to-date timeline unless otherwise noted by the narrative.
It's basic time travel shit.
>They're taking all the A+ material from 70+ years of Flash and putting it all in the first season.
read some cumix and git gud.
>from time to time.
Rarely ever these days.
>Some /pol/ anons hate Iris because 1)the dont like endgame 2)we rejected by a qt black girl 3)too beta in real life.
The Flash makes them want to have an adopted black dad and black gf, no wonder they hate it.