>tfw no portfolio, no way I can make a good one in two months
I hope a pitch is enough. How do you pitch a comic anyway? just make a short "pilot" version? draw the first couple of pages and see if that's what they're looking for? draw the characters and describe what you want to do?
>>70507539 Yes and yes. I've never made one, but I've seen some friends' "pilot" issues. usually what they do is a short 7-10 page "Prologue", like a quick story or part of an issue to show the tone they're going for, and then cap it off with some character bios and a synopsis of what's gonna happen. Though that's if you're an artist, or have an artist at the ready. If not, it's better to do a two-page pitch, a script, and some character notes if you want. 'least, that's what I know. Oni say they'll say more once the submissions open in May.
Remember to pull a Greg Weisman, /co/: >Marvel announced a search for new talent. I reasoned that they'd be flooded with submissions. But I also reasoned that DC would soon announce a search for new talent as well. So instead of prepping a submission to Marvel, I prepped one for DC. Sure enough, DC announced a search for new talent, and I was able to instantly send in my submission. I was the second name logged in. The story is WAY more complex than that, but that's how it started.
I'm a writer and looking into this, and while I've never been able to do a pitch yet (I'm only 19, so I'm not exactly heavy into the career yet) I imagine even if you're not an artist something like layouts and thumbnails would help a lot. You don't have to be a great artist to get the basic idea of what you want each page to look like across. That's what I plan to do on my comics, at least.
>>70508457 I'm not really sure how much that'd help. After all, you're a writer. You write. You can suggest panelling and angles and such, but at the end of the day I think the artist shouldn't be restrained too hard by that, since conveying your writing through art is their job. Of course, very rookie artists tend to prefer hard guidelines of panelling and such because usually they're not yet at that point of experience and confidence when you can just give them a one-line panel description and they'll go for it, but personally, I prefer trusting in the artist and leaving the visual aspect to them. And even if there's no artist yet, like in this case, I think it'd be better to focus on your craft than to try to overreach yourself.
>>70508657 Yes, and a couple of scripts over at Premier Comics back when it was still called Pulp. And, uh, a prose story in a 'zine. About buff girls.
>>70508884 Yeah, you're probably right. I was thinking it might help to show you at least KNOW how the art part of things works, but I was also thinking of making this a webcomic before reading this, so I was also in the mindset of that I'd be paying an artist instead of working with one directly, where I guess I'd want more control?
Maybe I was just in the wrong mindset from the beginning, but I'm still learning. Even if my pitch doesn't get accepted (it probably won't because it's probably one of the least popular genres right now) I think the experience would still be worth it.
>>70509045 >Even if my pitch doesn't get accepted (it probably won't because it's probably one of the least popular genres right now) I think the experience would still be worth it. Oh, no doubt about it. Especially if Oni is cool enough to send you an e-mail with the reason why you weren't accepted. The Rejection Letter, when done well, is your best friend. Think of it as artillery fire: if you manage to calculate just well enough, and with a spot of luck, you may get effect on target right away. But more often than not, you'll have to readjust and hope you didn't hit an orphanage with your first shot.
>>70509758 It's a combination of various inspirations. The gist of it is that humanity has moved into space, creating not only space colonies but also colonizing Mars itself. Crystals that amplify energy are discovered there, and the people on Mars declare independence and a war starts, and they use the crystals to create Macross style transforming mechs. Earth responds by creating their own, more reliable but less powerful, Gundam style mechs.
The plot focuses on four different pilots, initially separated, but eventually converging. One is on the Earth side of things and a pilot for a new, more advanced version of their mech. The second is a Char-esque rival to the first guy; he leads a small group of mercenaries contracted by the Martian military that have their own super custom version of Mars mechas. The third is an older guy who used to be a famous Earth pilot before they invented mechs, who upon witnessing plans for basically dropping the nuclear powered Mazinger-esque prototype onto colonies to literally wipe out every man woman and child, stole it and now wanders the Earth using it to help people. The last is a teenaged girl whose father was working on a new type of mech that hooks in directly to its pilot so they can control it mentally, as well as using a new energy source to create hard light constructs a-la Green Lantern. The Martian government kills her father and kidnaps her sister in an attempt to take the mech, and she then uses it to try and get her sister back.
Eventually the converge into a team as the plot escalates into the truly ridiculous, leading to a scale similar to what the likes of Getter Robo/Gurren Lagann achieved.
I'd say the cute girl/guy ratio is fairly evenly split.
>>70509630 You know what I think would be actually pretty cool? A gay protagonist that is as stereotypical as you can get... who's actually cool. Like he is all girly and all that but also a badass proactive character but isn't always talking about taking it in the butt even when he has a stable relationship.
Dunno, not even homo, but it would be so original and a good example that because you are stereotipically gay you don't have to be obnoxious like those parades show, just a person who happens to be like that.
What does it mean if I've just gone through the catalog of Oni Press looking to see if they've already accepted things like my concept and found exactly one book they published that's so close in the idea (and yet, still very different) that it could be its brother?
Like, I'm fucking floored right now. It's got almost the same kind of focus and worldbuild, but with an entirely different story, characters, and perspective... and yet, it's still so similar. Very different, yet very similar.
No, can't really elaborate. I'll just say it's the same special grouping of species in a world of their own who have a purpose. No, it's not cape-y.
Is this a good thing, because they HAVE taken shit like this before, and it's sold? Movie rights were purchased by a major house to the adaptation and everything. Is it a BAD thing, because they've already done this?
I've never even heard of the book in question, which is why I'm so awestruck it's a thing.
>>70511256 That shit happens to me all the time. I always get inspired by anime and try to mix it up and then an actual anime is released with the same core concept and tone, and worse, it gets popular, and I feel like if I publish my stuff I'd come off as a shitty rip-off. Just gives me the great need of killing myself everytime.
Rascal Raccoon's Raging Revenge. Purchase for movie adaptation by Warner Brothers in 2012. The whole toonworld idea is, essentially, exactly the same, with an entirely different story, setting, and characters. But the concept of using pure toons as the sole focus, in a toon world, in conflict with one another that goes beyond the cartoons? That's... that's exactly what my idea is, without going into too much detail.
I didn't even know there was a market for my idea outside of the internet. I'm in fucking awe. And even scarier, I'm a fucking amateur who's been cranking for, like, two years trying to git gud just to make a webcomic from this.
And now, the chance to actually pitch and maybe be taken legitimately seriously is here? Holy shit.
This is exactly what I'm feeling. If I pitch this, it may seem like I'm trying to mimic what they've published and put my own spin on it, but this idea's been developing between myself and my co-creator for over a year, and I had NO IDEA this other book even existed or COULD.
If you don't have any published work, you should start serializing a webcomic for a year or so, assuming you can publish at least 2 pages each week. (Think about it, that's a whole 100 pg or so graphic novel in one year.)
Why do I mention this? Well, publishers are hesitant most of the times to work with newcomers, even if they are presented the "greatest pitch ever".
There's also the fact that newcomers most of the time don't have an established audience that will make retailers order copies and be sure that there's an audience for that.
Once you get a whole book done, you can start pitching new concepts to creator-owned publishers adding your previous work along for reference. You can even submit the collected edition for Image Comics to publish/distrute (like the dude from Sunstone, the webcomic he published on fucking Deviantart pretty much put him in the spot for all publishers. He later worked on Topcow shit and later did works on DC and other Image Comics... And now Sunstone is a best seller)
So yeah, before getting into Hollywood, you should rather start on smaller stages and build your way into the big ones.
You're welcome. I already went throught the process of submission about one year or so, and while I didn't get my comic approved, it made me see all the weak points that I was carrying with me. I will submit again in a few months or so, and worse case scenario, I can set up the webcomic and start planting the seeds accordingly.
If you need another reference, there's also God Hates Astronauts. Solid webcomic for years that built a good following. Later the collected edition became a successful Kickstarter campaign, and now it's published in Image Comics. And while it's definitely not outselling Batman or Saga, at least has a solid monthly niche.
Man it's times like these I wish I wasn't completely shit at drawing, I have a one really solid idea for a comic that ticks all the trendy boxes at the moment; diverse, high concept, controversial enough to get attention but not controversial enough to get rejected out of hand, feminist, politically relevant etc. Maybe I could write it as a novel when I finish the one I'm writing at the moment fucking never
It did say they were looking for writers, too. Go to their twitter account, follow the link they retweeted about pitching successfully, and see how much you can apply yourself to that while being just a writer. Who knows? They might pick up a crew of people who have single disciplines they're presenting themselves for and hook you up if they dig the concept pitch!
>>70518856 Working on two different giant robot ideas. One's really 70s inspired, and the other's an all ages comic. Don't want to say much about them, since I'm constantly re-writing and tweaking the scripts.
I'm a writer, cant draw for shit. What should I have ready for when these things go live? A Script? It says to give them a portfolio, which is something I dont have. Do I just no have a chance if I've never been published before? I have comic ideas and a few scripts but only me and my friends have seen them
I dont read many oni pres books besides the Bunker. My current story pitch is (I have more developed ideas about this, but I'm summarizing for the sake of the thread)
>two high school seniors >one is a slacker and sarcastic >other is his best friend but more responsible than his counterpart >they go to bank because slacker kid owes principal/school 300 bucks because of a prank he pulled >they're in bank >oh shit bank gets robbed >cue bank robbery >during robbery, one of the robbers arm tattoo is visible for like a split second >after robbers get away, they start hunting down witnesses they think might snitch ( on wild card robbers insistence, some of the robbers think that will just attract unwanted attention >the main characters are obviously on that list
Same as most, I've got ideas but no artist. I was involved in a short webcomic that lasted maybe 40 pages before the artist just didn't have time anymore. Should I even bother? I've got a bunch of good ideas about relating to the world when you've got depression, one a superhero story about a child born who's basically superman, but born into a world that has no need of him and how hard that life would be.
I think so. I'm a nobody who has never had anything published anywhere but I wanna write comics and have ideas that I am writing synopsis/scripts for. Even If I dont get it, which I probably won't, you gotta start somewhere. That is becoming increasingly apparent to me. I plan to get someone to draw it and put it onlone if all else fails.
What I am working on is at heart, buddy cop/detective story with humor and action, but its set in the quasi 70's cop tv show setting. Oh yeah, it also takes place in Oz. Yes, that Oz... Dorothy, the Witches, all that. In fact, the two main characters in this story are none other than The Scarecrow and The Tin-man. I always like the Pep Streebeck/ Joe Friday dynamic from the Dragnet movie.
>>70526072 The first guy they go after was some random civilian in the bank. They take his wallet( did I mention one of the robbers is a loose canon prone to violence and irrational actions). One of the main characters is wearing a hoodie with his schools name on it, they go to the school and eventually close in on them. This stuff doesn't happen immediately or anything. I'm thinking of writing in a third friend of theirs who the robbers interrogate and beat up a little (he doesn't snitch though)
>>70526672 High concepts ("X meets Y") are easy to pitch and let the audience/publisher/retailers a general sense of what to expect out of the comic. The idea is obviously subvert the premise in order to not be a pastiche.
This is why Mark Millar says "my comic is X meets Y" for all his titles, because it gets to the point, rather than pretending that they wrote the holy grail of the medium and confuse the target audience.
- The pitch: Sell the idea in one phrase, about 25 words or so. (Movie pitches are all over the place in Google) - General concept: A 100 word or so summary about who stars the comic, the setting, and what are odds against the character(s). Take for instance the text behind the general TPB edition of your favorite comic, and chances are that you will find a good glimpse of the comic in a single paragraph. - Plot summary: The story outline for the first arc. Beginning, middle and end, with no questions and cheap cliffhangers of "what will do X when...?". The publishers need to confirm that you will deliver at large a conclusion, so if you don't know the ending of your own story, don't bother pitching it.
A good story outline is around 700 words or so. (It's more than enough for a publisher to read, as it fits nicely in one page or so) As a recommendation, the four story arc structure works great in that regard. (Intro, build-up/conflict, climax and concluson), because you can even divide each arc in four paragraphs of 100/200 words or so each one.
70509370 >>70509329 >>70509066 Doesn't Image make you pay out of pocket for books though? You have to have a lot of disposable income to do it or be a batshit crazy graphic designer like Hickman who dropped everything and cleaned out his bank accounts
>>70525288 Thanks anon. Though tbh I'm thinking of proposing something else. That's a very long term project that I can't imagine fitting in the sort of thing a beginner would get. I'm probably going to do that as a webcomic when I'm able to and come up with something else that better fits in a mini.
>"justin beiber and the beliebers" - a SOL comic about the adventures of Justin beiber and his closest friends; Allison (who has a big ass) Tiffany (who has big tits) and Niglet (Bieber's short black friend who learns an important lesson about the meaning of rap and dropping sick rhymes at the end of each issue). >Together, they fight crime and solve mysteries caused by the evil organisation "H.A.T.E.R.S".
A transotherkin genderfluid finds out the government is falling prey to a greater organization that seeks to claim a new world order based on ancient ideals and now has to save her home only by communicating through messages with a 140 character limit with hostile interceptors who align themselves to the old order threatening at every turn
>>70527966 Fair enough. I suppose there aren't any other places called Oz, and I did just copy it from an earlier treatment to save time. Still, if I'm not trying to "blow your minds" in some respect, what the fuck am I even writing for?
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