>>70621408 >Create a massive fucking cannon that can fire a laser beam capable of wiping out an entire village/town from miles away >Strap it to the arm of a giant platinum shelled mecha >Go stomping around the city at point blank range
>>70621221 >Interesting villain who attacked the concept of privilege (pls no tumblerer) and championed the rights of non-benders turned into a 'muh daddy was mean' one-note blood bender >Interesting villain who understood the importance of spiritual balance (an analogy to nature) in a growing industrial world literally turned into DARK AVATAR FUCKIN BRYKEEEE >Cool crew Cool crew but I still find it hard to defend anarchists >Interesting villain who sought a strong republic of united nations over an outdated system of monarchies, an analogy to the real life unification of China Makes a gundam to laser beam a city in half
>>70621221 >>70621221 It's certainly intended to seem that way, but by mid season of every single season, the "morally ambiguous" enemy turns out to be just as mustache twirlingly evil as Ozai.
Amon was the closest to morally ambiguous and his entire political ideal turned out to be invalid since it went away as an issue without any need for societal change the moment he became an uncomplicated fraud.
Korra is just as simple as the main plot of Avatar, but it's less upfront about that and it doesn't have anything else going on like TLA had Zuko's and Aang's spiritual journeys.
>>70622349 God everything about that finale was so awful.
>>70622445 Damn this makes me realise how much wasted potential this series has. I mean at least Zuko started out as a bad guy and became more and more gray. Especially Amon. Fucking Hell Amon could've been amazing...
>>70620736 >Sabotoged No korra did tha the moment she started flirting with him while he was dating asami. Mako was a teenage guy, ofcourse his dick takes precedence. Korra however knowing he had a GF made her move
Korra didn't deserve a happy ending. She earned the ending of season 3
Oh thanks Korra, ya dumb bitch. I just decided this year to 'grow up' instead of during childhood where I was a fucking orphan and had to take care of my brother. It wasn't when I worked for the Triads or as the only competent detective in the whole damn city. Nope, it wasn't during the uprising or when the spirit world sharted all over the city, or fighting the Red Lotus. It was when I tipped over a robot that I grew up. Fuck you.
>>70621408 Robots in general just didn't really fit in this show. They weren't particularly strong or fast and the police force have a unit of metal benders who if they can't crush it can easily just have the ground swallow them up
>>70626033 Their relationships are so all over the place. S1 they seem pretty close but then all the relationship stuff happens. S2 they are basically all over the place, not a team at all. S3 they are all suddenly great friends but only seem to hang out when the plot needs them to be move forward by them, Asami kinda just disappears for episodes as she is so irrelevant. S4 makes them all feel isolated again but we are told they are such great friends and then they kinda stand around each other in some scenes
Also through all of it I don't think Asami and Bollin have more than 2 lines of dialogue together
>>70626033 Yeah, Team Avatar didn't have much cohesion this time around. I mean Sokka and Katara were bro and sis and Sokka and Toph were pragmatists that were chill with each other. Hell even Zuko got some time to hang with each member.
This team Avatar, Asami always felt like the third wheel. Never really important enough and never hung out with Bolin or anything that much. Is Varrick considered a part of team Avatar?
>>70626283 >Is Varrick considered a part of team Avatar? him and Tenzin have more justification than Asami so why not? Hell throw Lin in. Actually lets just throw out the others except Bolin and make this team avatar
>>70626311 >Yes, this time they pandered to a popular internet crack pairing instead of going with their original idea. >George Lucas used to talk about the evils of Hollywood big wigs ruining his films >he became said big wigs and is now ruining his newest films
>>70626283 They literally had to invent reasons for characters to show up in the episodes. Doesn't Asami have a company to run? A company that's been run into the ground three times already? I think she has more shit to do than to hang around filling out the headcount.
>>70626621 She doesn't have a role, Varrick played the "wealthy industrialist" role way better than Asami ever did, her being the "driver" became pointless once they started using sky bison for travelling again, and she was also useless as the "token non-bender" since she was incapable of fighting anything other than random non-bender mooks.
>>70627117 There was no avoiding Harmonic Convergence. That was going to happen, and because of that Unalaq was going to get those fucking portals open one way or the other. Vaatu was helping him bring dark Spirits, which s2e1 straight up established were unstoppable by any means but spirit bending, into the equation, and the only way to stop that is with the Avatar.
Can we talk about this seriously for a second? How the fuck can you blame her for being fooled and then forced into opening the portals? She had no reason, whatsoever to distrust Unalaq, whereas her father and mentor straight up admitted to sheltering her and lying to her. And then later, it was Jinorra's life on the line....well soul I guess. >Or properly mastered the elements, either would have worked What exactly is that supposed to mean? She trains constantly, so you can't say she wasn't working for 6 straight months. And even if she did master the elements that doesn't mean jack shit against Spirits. Fucking shit, I probably sound like a huge korrafag right now but you can't just ignore everything and then pretend that Korra is utterly retarded and directly responsible for everything.
>>70627564 >There was no avoiding Harmonic Convergence don't open the portal?
>That was going to happen, and because of that Unalaq was going to get those fucking portals open one way or the other. He had no other way. You can't say he probably could if you have no actual idea
>How the fuck can you blame her for being fooled and then forced into opening the portals? Because she should have thought through the implications and also seen he was a massive dickwad. it was quite revenge of the sith Palpetine levels but it was pretty obvious to anyone with a brain
Also this >>70627634 . Even if you still defend her she could have closed them and stopped all of that or at least softened the effect
>>70627634 But we don't actually know if that had any impact on the overall plot. They only say that Harmonic Convergance did something which brought back airbenders. It could have happened even with the portals closed in which case Korra had nothing to do with Zaheer getting bending and killing the queen.
>>70627634 Except that was shown to be an overwhelmingly good idea. Everyone was expecting Koh or some shit to waltz out and start stealing faces but no, having the portals open did nothing but benefit.
>>70627697 >it was quite revenge of the sith Palpetine levels but it was pretty obvious to anyone with a brain Obvious to the audience. In universe you don't hear the musical stings or notice all the evil imagery.
>>70627469 But you can't blame her for multiple mistakes. She made just one. Plus if you aren't even considering the good part. Are you going to give her credit for reforming the Air Nomads or turning the Earth Kingdom into a federation of independent states?
>>70627972 Im not saying leaving the portals open were a good idea. Im saying that they may have had no impact on the Airbenders returning.
If it has no impact all you can really say is her fault is being tricked into opening the first portal, which since she was tricked you can't really blame her for. Or its her fault for wanting to save someone life, while believing it is possible to defeat the bad guy and save the world anyway.
>>70628026 Uh the vines already grew during the attack they'd have possibly died or retracted if the portals closed but the remaining structures would have collapsed or at lead been condemned for having HUGE STONKIN VINE HOLES in erm.
>>70628104 That's like saying no character is ever at fault in a story. She is a character in the story and does shit with the shitty writing, you can't separate that especially when being a useless tard is hardly out of character for her
>>70627564 >no avoiding Stay at home. She is the only person on the planet who could have opened either portal, she could wait out Convergence then handle Unalaq however she wanted.
>Vaatu was helping him Vaatu was completely sealed away, he wasn't influencing anything and those dark spirits would have receded after Harmonic Convergence.
>unstoppable save by spirit bending Which she has, and no, it isn't exclusive to the Avatar, given Unalaq taught it to her.
>how can you blame her for being fooled For never questioning anything and turning her back to her friends and benefactors for someone she hardly knew.
>had no reason to distrust Unalaq Except for the majority of the season when she started a civil war against him.
>her friends and mentors protected her How shameful.
>Jinora's life Isn't worth sacrificing humanity for.
>what does mastering the elements mean Mastering them. What else?
>she trains constantly She learns metal bending, some spirit manipulation, and gets beat up by Toph for a couple days. That is the extent of her training in the series. She never learns the advanced techniques nor invents her own. She doesn't attempt to learn anything in the three years she has off.
>doesn't mean jack to spirits But it does against people. Bloodbending would trivialized everyone she met with a raised eyebrow. Lava bending and combustion are portrayed as unstoppable to those who lack them. She couldn't do half the shit Unalaq could with spirits. Flight would have made her useless legs irrelevant. She didn't even bother with the incredibly common lightning.
>utterly retarded No, just incredibly stupid and unbelievably incompetent.
>directly responsible Nothing from Book 1 would have happened if she stayed home. Vaatu is never released, Zaheer is never freed, Kuvira never comes to power, Republic City isn't leveled, there's no Dark Avatar sulking around and the spirits aren't terrorizing humanity. All because she got involved and didn't know her shit.
>>70628357 >>70628368 True but opening the first portal wasn't a concious choice since she didn't have the needed information to choose not to do it. Actually she was told it would only be beneficial. This all happens before she has any reason to distrust Unalaq. The second portal being opened isn't her free choice either since they force her hand by having a hostage. If you're tricked or forced into doing something it is not your fault when things happen. The fault lies with the one who tricked/forced you, in this case Unalaq. And her choice to keep the portals open after Harmonic Convergance may not have had an impact on Zaheer getting airbending.
>>70628238 >Vaatu was completely sealed away, he wasn't influencing anything and those dark spirits would have receded after Harmonic Convergence To be fair, they could've torn up alot of shit before that point. If it ever came. Is that really preferable to just stopping Vaatu? One city or the entire planet?
>>70628072 >Are you going to give her credit for reforming the Air Nomads or turning the Earth Kingdom into a federation of independent states? No because she had no fucking hand in either of those things intentionally. She didn't think, and there were consequences. She's to blame. She didn't think and there were benefits: she got fucking lucky. You don't reward someone for accidents, but you punish them for easily avoidable mistakes like Korra's.
>>70628502 >True but opening the first portal wasn't a concious choice since she didn't have the needed information to choose not to do it. That doesn't stop it being all her fault. If you don't realise a vase is behind you and knock it over you are still responsible for doing so
>This all happens before she has any reason to distrust Unalaq. Apart from that little civil war thing, going against her friends and that he is very obviously evil.
>The second portal being opened isn't her free choice either since they force her hand by having a hostage. It's okay she meant 4 maniacs were set free and a queen was murdered causing huge unrest cause there was a hostage. No
>And her choice to keep the portals open after Harmonic Convergance may not have had an impact on Zaheer getting airbending. For the last time it did, you don't understand this thing and even if it didn't other negative effects came from it like the vines destroying a city
>>70628688 >Totally, which is why the humans were able to eradicate the spirits and protect themselves with bending No they weren't. All of Wan's friends dying because they chose to fight spirits was a pretty big plot point. And before you even say it, they burnt the forest down, that doesn't mean they killed Spirits.
>>70628648 >That doesn't stop it being all her fault. If you don't realise a vase is behind you and knock it over you are still responsible for doing so. If someone tricks you into doing something and you have no way of knowing its bad, they're at fault not you.
>That doesn't stop it being all her fault. If you don't realise a vase is behind you and knock it over you are still responsible for doing so Which happens after the first portals is opened. So she has no reason to distrust Unalaq before portal 1.
>It's okay she meant 4 maniacs were set free and a queen was murdered causing huge unrest cause there was a hostage. No She had no way of knowing this would happen. She chose to save a life, assuming she could fix the mistake (which she had time to do considering she did defeat Unavatu).
>For the last time it did, you don't understand this thing and even if it didn't other negative effects came from it like the vines destroying a city. The show disagrees with you. The show doesn't know if the portals staying open meant anything. All they say is that harmonic convergance somehow gave some people airbending. The vines i would agree were bad, and i think there were other reason to close the portals, but these have no impact on Korra "causing" season 3 and 4.
>>70628739 >that doesn't mean they killed Spirits. >Aye-Aye never seen again >not killed Which by the by, they never fucking named his supposed best spirit pal in-canon. Even though Aye-Aye named Wan.
How about when Wan used firebending to separate Vaatu and Raava? Yeah, spirits are immune to bending except when it's the literal only defense against spirits before bending as an art is developed.
Look, from the first minute, Season 2 was a pile of retconning, asspulled bullshit. It's been 6 months since Amon, and now it's the winter solstice. So, Amon was beaten, in NYC, in the Earth Kingdom, on the goddamn equator, in fucking June, where it was snowing. Yeah, okay.
>>70629027 >>you have no way of knowing >She did. Please tell me what evidence she had against Unalaq other than her dad's grudge that he never really explained all the way?
>choose to save a life >And put everyone else's at terrible risk. >assuming she could fix the mistake That's what heroes DO. When there's a hostage who will certainly die if nothing is done you give in temporarily even if doing so raises the stakes and rushes the timetable.
>>70628819 >They're only ever shown at sea and near the poles. There is nothing suggesting they would have depopulated the planet in a matter of minutes Spirits can move quickly, and there didn't seem to be any time limit. They could easily travel all over the world and exterminate humanity. >Let Jinora die The thing is, even if Vaatu was freed, she could beat him, not that there's no danger but there's a backup. That's why it's somewhat more beneficial to save Jinora, Jinora dying would destroy the Gaang's morale. >Hell, if Korra had any brains she'd have just sealed the portal at the South Pole with Unalaq in the Spirit World and wait out Convergence there. You just think you're so damn smart. How the hell would Korra know exactly when Unalaq would be away? Not to mention that it was pretty well established that the Southern Portal was heavily fortified. No one was getting anywhere near it.
>>70625881 >Robots in general just didn't really fit in this show Yeah, it's not like the show has been steampunk from the very beginning or anything. I mean making a giant drill and moving it a across the largest desert in the world just to get to Ba Sing Se in secret is totally reasonable, and creating a dozen war zeppelins in three months from capturing a broken blimp is not ridiculous at all. And it's not like the first season of the first series ended with a giant humanoid monster destroying the fire nation fleet.
No, mechanical robots are just too advanced for a steampunk world that has had 70 years of development and they're just too ridiculous for a world with steam powered jet skis.
>>70629137 >what evidence she had against Unalaq The consul of her friends and mentors, who know him better than she?
>that's what hero's do Hero's minimize damage. Sacrificing themselves is one thing, sacrificing everyone else is another.
>when there's a hostage who will die Never come close to him. What's he going to do if Korra is nowhere nearby? Kill Jinora for teh evulz? If she did nothing, Vaatu is guaranteed not to escape, and Jinora will probably die. If she freed Vaatu, everyone was probably going to die. Which is the smarter option?
Of course, none of this would have been necessary if she just tore Unalaq apart with bloodbending or drowned him in lava.
>>70627564 > There was no avoiding Harmonic Convergence. That was going to happen
the effects harmonic convergence had only happened because the portals were open. And there is no way to open them without the avatar, if he knew of one, he would have opened them without her.
> How the fuck can you blame her for being fooled and then forced into opening the portals?
Forced? forced how? there is no way to force her to do it. She willingly did it to "try and save a little girl", which is stupid. Sacrifice the world for a girl? not only that one that would have died even if she opened the portals (she only not died there because of plot armor).
>>70627800 not showing the shit does not mean it is not happening. What we know is that evil spirits exists, and there are a lot of them, powerful or not. And now they can just pass through. Believing not even one of them did it is stupid.
>>70629157 >spirits can move quickly And never show a desire to.
>no time limit Harmonic Convergence.
>travel all over the world Why would they? The dark spirits appear rabid and there aren't that many of them at any point.
>if Vaatu was freed >she could beat him She failed to. Twice. With huge power advantages over him.
>there's a backup You mean when Raava is reborn in ten thousand years and humanity is extinct?
>why it's beneficial to save Jinora It wasn't.
>Jinora dying would have destroyed their morale Who gives a fuck about morale when they're not being ass raped by spirits?
>how would Korra know when Unalaq was away She knew he was in the spirit world. The camp was overrun. All she had to do was close the portal from the outside, sealing him in.
>South Pole was fortified And she was the Avatar. Yakone could shut down a courtroom with the Avatar and Toph with a wink of the eye. Imagine what a native waterbending Avatar could accomplish with it in the State.
>>70629258 >saving a life And damning millions in the process, including people who were already dead.
>she had to do it Or strike down Unalaq. But she didn't, because she is an idiot who never studied up.
>be the bad guy Like when she threatened a judge with bodily harm, asked an officer of the law to lie, freed assassins, didn't help people in need, etc?
>if spirits gave people airbending It's her fault for releasing them in the first place.
>>70629566 we are never told exactly from when to when it happens, but the thing is, they were open and let open and this is what influenced the whole thing; this is what went different. Korra herself says that it was her fault.
Remember how Vaatu revealed that he opened the portals the first time, which lead to the near destruction of Human civilization to the point where they had to live on Gamera's back because every spirit was trying kill humans.
>>70629592 >saving a life. And damning millions in the process, including people who were already dead. Its not a choice, she has to do it or be in the wrong morally.
>Or strike down Unalaq. But she didn't, because she is an idiot who never studied up. Im assuming this is when He has jinora hostage. Korra cant use bending right there because her body didn't enter the spirit world.
>Like when she threatened a judge with bodily harm, asked an officer of the law to lie, freed assassins, didn't help people in need, etc? The judge was "evil", asked him to say nothing, which assassins? If you mean Zaheers crew that was all Zaheer (possibly spirits).
>It's her fault for releasing them in the first place. She didn't have to release the spirits since they were outside the spirit world before any portals were opened. examples are the dark spirits and Heibai from Atla.
>>70630031 >It is a choice. In a world with objective morality it is not a choice.
>She was in the spirit world bodily when she opened the portals, she had full access to bending and the State. When jinora is a hostage and Unalaq threatens Korra into opening the second portal Korras body is not in the spirit world.
>Based on what? He passed a legitimate verdict she had no reason to believe was untrue. He sentenced an innocent man first to death, then to life in prison.
>Unalaq's Assassins Only after she found out Unalaq was also evil. Which means the assassins are good people.
>About what he knew was unlawful activity which he had power to stop (which he swore he would). That is illegal and morally repugnant. It was unlawful to try and get URC to war with Unalaq, but it was the morally right decision.
>She did. Only a few spirits manifested outside the spirit world prior to Convergence, afterwards they could freely move between worlds. This is all about someone saying the spirits granted people airbending in which case Korra cannot be blamed for "giving" Zaheer airbending.
...when i posted saying that season 2-3-4 were her fault, i didn't think i would need to explain that, but anyway...
1. she could Not open the second portal, killing jinora (who should have died either way) but saving the world
2. she could have waited until after harmonic convergence to close the first portal. It is debatable if anything would happen with one portal open, but this seems to be a better plan than going into the spirit world with nothing to protect yourself. In their defense, they didn't know that unalaq was there, but still waiting is a better plan, even considering that unalaq needed Both portals for his plan to work and they knew there, and at the time no one could even think of a problem of letting one portal open just until harmonic convergence is over to close it later.
you can also add. that people were tortured by the earth queen because of that airbending and forced into her army.
4. season 4 happened because of season 3 that happened because of season 2 that happened because of Korra.
the main problem is not that shit happened. The problem is that she didn't do anything to try and minimize the damage. Closing the portals, trying to get rid of the vines for more than two weeks in which she was lazying around, riding with her friend, solving problems with spirits, etc. In season 4 she had no idea even who Kuvira was until the airbender kids find her, it's like she doesn't give a shit about what happened to the world after season 3.
>>70627722 > just as Aang was active when Korra would have been the ideal Avatar
you're kidding, right? she received formal training as an avatar and still got her butt kicked by nonbenders. She lost to the 'dark avatar' who had 1 bending. She lost to zaheer (poisoned, but whatever; she is the avatar, should be able to just smash him even like that), and she lost to Kuvira.
>>70630220 >world with objective morality The moral thing to do is save everyone. By the way, were was this morality confirmed? I don't recall Raava doing so nor having the authority to (nor sanctioning the action).
>when Unalaq threatens Korra into the opening the second portal She does, Vaatu gets out and she immediately enters the State to fight him, because walked in bodily. You're thinking the first time when she astral projected inside. Korra had full access to her bending and no excuse for not striking down Unalaq.
>sent an innocent man to death >innocent >was aware of a plot to kill the sovereign/his brother >high treason wut.
>found out Unalaq was bad You mean from the man she was threatening with bodily harm who would have said anything to prevent it, that we are never shown a flashback of Unalaq actually tempting the spirits to attack, and was never proven in a court of law? Sounds legit.
>people trying to kill sovereigns >who have only lawfully exercised their power and harmed no one >good people ...you were saying something about objective morality?
>it was morally right >to directly disobey a democratically elected leader >and instigate insubordination in the military >to an ally nation >who is her rightful sovereign A jest can be taken too far, Anon.
>the spirits granted airbending Which they couldn't have done without Harmonic Convergence having occurred with the portals open.
>>70630449 She lost to chi blockers twice with three elements and a lifetime of training at an older age as a girl, who mature faster, in direct combat, whereas Aang was trying to collect frogs for his friends and was a pacifist.
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