So in our Spider-Man archetypes thread, some anons got to thinking which of the three main networks, CN,Disney, or Nick, could field the strongest team of wholly original heroes(thus no Marvel,DC,TMNT)
Franly, I woukd tier them as such
The Test Twins
Jake Long, the American Dragon
Randy Cunningham 9th Grade Ninja
Lilo & Stitch
The Mystery Twins
>Nick Ahahahaha who are we kidding
Man Nick is fucked
Avatar isn't really superhero though, and besides, Ben has several Superman tier aliens. If anything Jimmy is the cincher. The dude is Reed Richards tier science bullshit.
He made a time machine out of sticks and rocks
That's just my autism acting up, if you already are on a team, you can't just add one person, so tbr PPG and tbe Justice Friends are like, the CN Young Justice and JLI or something. And Jack, like Finn is set in the future, they are like DC Kamandi and LOSH
>Man Nick is fucked
Nick has the most OP character out of all of those guys.
>Selectively seeing similarities to support your own argument
>Not admitting the similarities between the avatarverse and literally 1000s of superheroes who have elemental powers
This. Assuming this fight isn't rated G, Timmy would just steamroll everyone.
Da rules prevent direct bodily harm and use in competitions , can he even wish up weapons?
And then you got guys like Alien X and Toepick or all of Dexter and Test Twin bullshit, that wukd rekt him before he even got a chance to fight back.
I mean, he could give himself super powers but he'd need some fucking hardcore ones to deal with those guys
>Nick Ahahahaha who are we kidding
>Jimmy created a machine that could warp time and space into another dimension.
>None of those guys except for Ben and maybe Dexter could even touch Danny.
>Jenny is basically a Blue Beetle with a Lantern Ring.
If anything, CN and Disney should just team up to make is somewhat fair.
Cn still has Gen Rex and SymTitan. Cn is packing a big punch when you remember the other shit they had on air.
>Ben is actually the strongest
Rex > Ben
As if CN doesn't already have a counter for him.
Ben, Rex, and Megas are just too much. With Ben comes all his aliens and Rook. Rex comes with Six and Bobo. Megas is just Megas which still packs equal punch. Samurai Jack and Dexter, this shit is insane.
Now imagine their rogue gallery working together. Vilgrax and the Pack, Breach alone is stupidly strong.
Rules: MCs only, has to be heroic.
>The CN League
Finn & Jake
(The Test twins aren't MCs, Gumball and Billy and Mandy are not heroes)
Kim & Ron
Lilo & Stitch
The Mistery Twins
(Darkwing Duck is a spin-off from Ducktales which is spin-off from the comics, so not wholly original.Pity cause Gizmoduck could trounce Rex and Jenny)
>Nicks Honor Guard
(Timmy is NOT a hero. He is a little jackass. The Avatar can be Aang or Kora whichever you prefer.)
CN is both more numerous and more powerful, they win hands down. Star, Ben, Rex, two giant robots, each of the PPGs is Superman level, Jake is surprisingly powerful, and Jack has been shown to be a master tactician. This team could probably take down most incarnations of the JLA or the Avengers.
Nick has a good line-up for a cosmic team but it's only 5 vs CNs 14, they would get their ass kicked by sheer numbers.
Disneys team is a very low power one, more street level. They could not win in a straight brawl, but if they can pull ambushes and guerrilla tactics they could stand a chance. Also, surprisingly good team against magical threats.
Just for curiosity, WB has Freakazoid, Xialin Showown, and Mucha Lucha, but Jackie Chan is based on something else. WB would get it's shit pushed in so hard by any of the other groups.
CN JLA is composed of
>The Powerpuff Girls
>Codename: Kids Next Door
Think about how much power this is. Think about the villains firepower working together.
>Nick is fucked
Implying Danny or XJ-9 couldn't single-handedly take on the Disney people you listed or most of the CN people you listed minus Ben.
If anyone Disney is fucked
And really without Ben CN still has a challenge.
Jimmy could pull some bullshit to temporarily drain the Omnitrix's energy.
Timmy could wish the Omnitrixoff
Danny could possibly Posses Ben.
Rudy from Chalkzone could just draw another Omnitrix.
Nick has options to at least temporarily remove Ben from a fight and then take him on last.
I don't think there's anything XJ-9 could do to temporarily keep Ben at bay or lose his powers. But if Ben doesn't use his more OP aliens XJ-9 could still have a chance.
I feel like to make it fair, Cartoon Cartoons/Genndy Tartovsky stuff should be their own special team. Since they'd already be better than everyone else with just them.
All you are accounting for is taking Ben out when the other characters are just as much of a threat. Jimmy's bullshit is outset by Dexter's bullshit, Timmy is still a little shit who Ben could beat without the watch, Rex can go toe to toe with Ben so a possessed one poses no problem. Rudy is useless since his chalk shit only works in chalkzone. PPG and Megas are still there if someone somehow takes out Ben.
Going by op's list sure he's not giving nick enough credit but I don't think it's fair to bring in nick people not listed without considering other Disney or CN people not listed.
>Rudy from Chalkzone
I forgot about him. he can make literally anything he can imagine. but I forget if the stuff he makes can be used outside of the chalkzone. if they can then he is a strong contender if not then he's very limited unless they fight in the chalkzone for any reason.
Even with his shitty personality, Ben is still good enough to outsmart most of his competition. Ben can and will exploit the shitty personalities of his opponent if given the chance.
I'm pretty sure the Megas is more a detriment than an asset, provided no one tries to fight on its level. It's not designed to fight human sized opponents, or to work as part of a team. Coop is all about collateral damage after all.
You make it sound like Ben is the biggest threat. If anything, how could anyone on any of those lists take on loli-superman times 3.
Again, toon logic is the most powerful force in existence, it makes a Rex/Upgrade/Megas fusion look like garbage, which is why I feel like you can't have a properly autistic who would win debate with that as a factor. Else Nick gains Spongebob and Patrick's ability to out-stupid the enemy.
On potential alone, Ben is the highest threat. Ben however is a cocky dick and can't use Alien X without a lot of bullshit involved. Way Big, Toepick, NRG, Swampfire, Atomix, and Clockwork are still damn powerful. With master code in the watch, Ben could solo everyone else.
However Ben isn't allowed to be all out or the show would be really solvable so Ben has stupid limits.
PPG are a constant big threat since they don't have the limits Ben has in place but their potential isn't as high as Ben's.
>Dexters giant robots
CN league could take down Godzilla. CN league is unstoppable.
Also here in Huehueland Xiaolin Showdown, Mucha Lucha, Jackie Chan and Atomic Betty were all CN. Which just makes CN league even more powerful.
Do the TMNT count as part of Nick's army? Technically they own the franchise now so I guess that amps up some of their firepower, yet still not enough to really stand a chance against the ammount of heavy hitters CN has.
It does however make it a very balanced team (Paranormal, Scientific/technological, Tactical and Skill and Magic.)
Assuming Ben isn't a pussy and uses Alien X, then he is the biggest threat. But yeah, even if Ben stood out the fight, the PPG would still solo everyone.
How did Finn and Jake and jack get from the futures)?
And the whole PPG? seriously?
You cant have a team that's full of an entirely other team
Also put Star on the Disney Avengers
Where the fuck did the Avatar come from?
Also no Jimmy/Timmy power hour? Seriously?
And why is Nick Honor Guard?
>How did Finn and Jake and jack get from the futures)? And the whole PPG? seriously?
we're talking about fictional cartoon characters fighting other fiction cartoons characters from other companies in a power-level thread
does it really fucking matter how they got back from the future
This is all about the autism, it's bad form to have entire teams within teams, that's like having the Fantastic 4 join the Avengers or the teen Titans joint the JLA, defeats the purpose.
Gravattack is enough for Ben to beat the PPG, this is why Ben is overpowered, he has an alien that has potential to beat just about everyone. Someone is too smart, Grey Matter. Robots are attacking him, Jury Rigg. Something too big, Way Big. Some god, Alien X.
>All this CN/Nick wankery
>Thinking Disney is powerless
How can anyone defeat this guy? He's literally whatever/whenever he wants to be.
Thinking about it, Nick actually has a better chance if this was a battle of villains rather than heroes.
>The ghosts from the Ghost zone
A very varied of powerful spectral entities.Some of their big-hitters are the lieks of The Fright Knight, Pariah Dark, Undergrowth, Nocturn among many others. (And Dark Danny if he was ever released.
>The Cluster Empire
An entire empire of string robotic automatons. Their leader Vexus very good at command.
>Jimmy Neutron's long Rouge's gallery.
While not the most powerful and competent, they are vastle diverse so they sure cover a lot of areas.
>El Tigre's Rouge's gallery.
>Santana of the Dead alone could be quite the feat to beat, but you can add in all the other supervillains of Miracle city who while not big at a cosmic level, they are really hard to put down considering the city itself keeps being a villanous cespool no matter how much heroic acts are done.
>Anti-Fairies & Pixies
Very low on threat levels given their constant failures, but theys till posses incredibly strong reality warping powers that could be benefician to higer and smarter villains.
I know this helps absolutly nothing but it was just something I noticed. When it comes to evil, nick is pretty grand. (Then again Disney has the likes of Xanatos and Bill Cipher and CN has Vilgax and Him.)
Fucking this. Aside from what OP listed, Disney is nothing but magic and toon-force. They should just sit out this fight.
>How did Finn and Jake and jack get from the futures)?
>Where the fuck did the Avatar come from?
The same way all the other characters got here from their own dimensions.
>And the whole PPG? seriously?
Why would I leave three superheroes out of the superhero team.
>You cant have a team that's full of an entirely other team
I can have a team inside a team inside of another team if I want. The Xmen use to be made of smaller Xmen teams called Xmen Blue and Xmen Gold.
I only need Cooper for Megas, but the Titan needs all three to pilot. I'll definitely keep all the PPG. I could trade all the Gargoyles for just Goliath, but that only weakens the already weaker team.
>Also put Star on the Disney Avengers
My mistake. I guess it's because It keeps reminfing me of Adventure Time And Steven Universe.
>Also no Jimmy/Timmy power hour? Seriously?
Jimmi is cool but Timmy is a horrid little shit. He is probably the reason the Nick team is formed. To stop him.
>And why is Nick Honor Guard?
CN and Disney already had team names from Marvel and DC. It left me with either Honor Guard from Astro City or Harbingers from Valiant Comics. I wanted Authority, but Wildstrom is part of DC now...
That is not a hero. That is an Eldritch Horror that creeps into the mind of the young and makes them believe he is part of their family so they will lower their guard.
Rebecca Sugar pls.
>all of CN are one big universe. At first new episodes of shows run as normal but then you start seeing characters from other shows start to appear
>eventually everything moves to space, and an ongoing series revolves around Finn, Ben, Steven, Dexter, the Eds, etc all being drafted to fight the G:KND
Fucking casual. 3/4 of the F4 have been Avengers. 4/5th if you count She-Hulk. Basically everybody except for Johnny.
Wally, Dick, Roy, Donna and Cyborg have all been in the Justice League.
IS it bad that I'd rather be more interested on the villanous side in this?
>The G:KND, Vilgax, the Gem Homeworld, a new Lich comet all in a multi-way war with eachother with earth as both the prize and in the crossfire.
This is how I see it.
>CN Justice League
Finn & Jack
Mabel & Dipper
Six members for each team so it would be fair (somewhat) cause to be completely honest I think CN or Disney would come out on top.
And he has like what, only 70 out of the 1,000,000 aliens right now (cause in War of the Worlds they say he has a total of a million) and yet he only needs like five. Alien X, Clockwork, Toepick, Feedback & Atomix. can you imagine what other OP fuckers that could be in that fucking watch?
CN is just to OP for Disney and Nick to handle. Let's just pit them against KWB.
>yfw you realize even if you included Marvel for Disney, Ben can still win
For CN I would assemble them in a Secret Wars style with UG as Beyonder. The grown ups (Jack, Cooper, Six, Max, Jackie and the Cristal Gems) would realize that it is not everybodies uncle and grampa. They would try to not harm the kids while they find a way to break UGs hold on them and together they would fight him until he bored and went away. They would use the space between dimensions as a base to help others and find a way to fight off the Eldritch Horrors.
For Nick, one of Timmys wishes goes wrong and causes a rip in the dimensional walls. This is sensed by the Avatar spirit and by sensors created by Jimmy, Dannys dad, Jennys mom, and El Tigres grampa. They find the source and have to fight whatever evil has broken trough the dimensions. They can either team up Timmy, or Timmy might be corrupted and become an enemy.
For Disney it's easier since all the shows could exist on the same planet. Bill goes after Stars wand, finding some way to bring her to Gravity Falls. This merits investigation by the dragon council and by the fae of Avalon, sending Jake and the Gargoyles there. The Ninjanomicon sends the Randy to check this disturbances. As things escalate the governments Man in Black sends the two teams they can call for weird stuff, Kim Possible (and sidekick) and the Hawaiian Alien (and it's handler).
Eventually an angered UG would contact the corrupted Timmy and toghter with Bill they wuld try to make the heroes fight each other as cover while they gather the villains. Everything culminates in a desperate battle between the heroes and an army of villains backed by three reality warpers.
Yes. I'm not OP, but I like to imagine those two as Supernatural-like hunters in training.
>yfw you realize if you include DC Ben gets to absorb the DNA and later turn into a kryptonian, a martian and even an oan. Possibly even Mogo
MANNY FUCKING RIVERA YOU PLEBS
Eliza Thornberry (OK that one is pushing it)
Three Delivery kids
Mahad and Lena from Skyland
You're selling Nick really short here, man.
Eh... I think if Aang, Danny, and Jenny teamed up, there wouldn't be much that could beat them.
Danny can go intangible and avoid any non-ecto attacks and wait for an opening. If he wants he can take Jenny and Aang with him. Jenny is made of some tough stuff and should be able to tank a lot of damage before nuking the entire block. And Aang has an instant win button with the Avatar state.
That said, I don't know a lot about Ben.
Revisioned team! (and in order from strongest to least strongest)
>CN Justice League
Mabel & Dipper
Faries get their shit fucked all the time. By Aliens, even. Also see >>71011885
You know what annoys me? Of all the minerals that start with the letters "Ben" are green.
>Benstonite (pale yellow)
Now what should his gem form be called?
>The Xmen use to be made of smaller Xmen teams called Xmen Blue and Xmen Gold.
Those are just subfactions, not entire teams famous bowled into eachother.
Nick owns TMNT so they can have Justice Force
I know, but never once has an entire team been inside another.
You can have some mutants on the Avengers and some FF on the New Avengers and a guy from Shadowpact in the Croatoan society but one team has never and should never contain another.
If we start using franchises we get: Disney is owned by Marvel so they should have the actual Avengers. And the X-Men and Spiderman and all the entire Marvel universe. And CN gets DC. Do you really want that?
>thinking that that any of the shows from any channels are all placed in one consecutive timeline.
also I made a revisioned version of that post. you can see it here.
>Literally Death himself
>has all of the powers of The Underworld and even the cosmos
>can go as far as controlling hellfire, demons, archangels and more.
>has expansive knowledge on the supernatural, alternate timelines, dimensions and more
>Literally has no fear (as seen in Big Boogey's adventure)
The fact that his scythe is sort of the source of his power is a hindrance but you can say the same thing about Thor and his hammer or Doctor Fate and his helmet.
Is There A Cartoon That Could Even Possibly EVEN TOUCH Ben Tennyson? Let Alone Defeat Him. And I'm Not Talking About prototype omnitrix with master control Ben Tennyson, I'm talking about Ben 10,000 Tennyson with the Biomnitrix , master control unlocked, perfect control of Alien X, annodite Mana control and Skurd so he can implant Ickthyperambuloid DNA into Prypiatosian-B and unlock total energyd omination.
Mac literally does nothing...at all he's just a kid that no one understands, mom and dad and Vicky always giving him commands.
He has no powers and no defining features. literally nothing that he has that can serve as a valid asset to the CN Justice League. hell, the Eds would be more useful compared to him.
Ben taking on these three is easy as fuck, Jury Rigg Jenny first and Atomix can take care of Danny and Aang together with one single punch. Hell he doesn't even need to do the Jury Rigg when he can just use Atomix to finish all three of them off. Gravattack would be enough to beat all three at the same time.
Well he is limited by his personality, but i dont think he's actually failed to beat a villain in his entire show (but then again, most heroes can say that)
That and the watch can be finnikcy. You may not get what you dial for. But even then what you get is likely to be fucking badass. Even shit like Molestache rekts.
Yes, but Grim has a defining personalty trait f having that power source stolen, it's the but of several episodes. They had a montage of it.
Grim is good as a support magical expert but in any battle he gets ganked instantly.
So why is everyone acting like he's invincible? He seems more high-risk high-reward if anything. He might get something that can stomp out the entire opposing teams instantly, or he might get... I dunno, that fat clockwork robot from the commercials.
>Has One Million super powered alien forms despite the name
>Can combine two of any of those aliens into fusion forms that utilizes both of their powers
>Capable of Mana manipulation
>Expansive knowledge on alien powers & weaknesses, strategy, hand to hand combat, criminology, psychology and physics
>Control of Alien X and possibly any other omnipotent aliens he may have.
>Gets all that alien pussy
Holy fucking shit, I never realized it until now but he really is the most OP character in all of fiction.
>that fat clockwork robot from the commercials.
Heaven help you if he does.
Ben has a fucking TIME GOD in his watch.
he can got to he past or future, age you into dust or youth you to non existence and total control the pace of time itself,
that's the thing about Ben. on average most of his aliens are a list super heroes on there own, his top ten however, are fucking gods.
And he usually never goes a battle with at least one right dial.
You better lucksack or take him down while you can, because he's eventually going to Shocksqautch or Gravattack your ass.
Too bad most of that doesn't matter and that and a child can beat him up. Don't take it too seriously though, unfortunately Grim is living in a "Cartoon Physics" setting, where a little girl can beat Horus the Titan with one hit. Doesn't matter what Mandy does to constitute hitting him, it will be enough because it came from her, but Billy could accomplish the same thing if he wanted.
Scar could have just zapped Mandy with Grim's scythe, but Mandy would have deflected the blast with the nutcracker she was holding just because she was holding it and she's one of the main characters.
Well no if you are badass and/or lucky enough you can beat him, Also if he is just beeing fucking stupid with his literal super wmd, you basically have to hope he is to unlucky or too stupid to not fuck you up with one of his dozen OP as shit aliens.
Not to mention that even though Ben comes off as borderline pants on head retarded at times. he's surprisingly very smart and resourceful. He's easily one of the most strategic characters CN has.
He's like Luffy from One Piece, most of the time Luffy comes of as a total moron but still has his moments of clarity and wiseness.
First off, Ben's personality is one of a giant dick. Ben would rather use a cool looking alien than one right for the situation. Second, the watch is kind of a dick too so it will give Ben what he needs and not what he wants to use. Ben with watch fully unlocked and master control shits on anything. Even without that you pray he doesn't get Clockwork or Gravattack or NRG on your ass because you are fucked while he tells horrible puns about you.
What if Disney pull a kingdom of hearts card? Also, could CN handle Nintendo?
Does Coco count as a CN contender?
>Shits out whatever, Easter egg style
>Could be a bomb, gun, or other weapon
Problem with most Nintendo characters is that they look harmless until to actually fight them. Would Ben really go gravattack on a Italian plumber, a puffball or a boy wearing a red baseball cap?
Man...all of this talk about Smash Bros and Cartoon Network just reminds of Punch Time Explosion which really fucking hurts because that game had a lot of potential but fell flat on it's face.
I think PTE could've been something great if it was handled by a more competent studio.
Ben's OPness is mitigated by his lack of control. He has a working level of control, enough to take down alnost anyone, but presented with a hardcore OP foe,Ben can be taken down before he has the chance to dial a counter.
He's not autowin, just super Super po werful. Like superman
Timmy is support GOD. He cant wish for direct hrm but he can make great stuff.
Although the faries are vunerabble as is Timmy.
It's like Billy Batson, if you shut him up you win.
You can also steal wands
FoP is badly written.
>I wish Ben had no aliens in his omnitrix.
>one of the aliens is a Celestial Sapient.
I think that might just make the Celestial Sapiens show up and be angry or something.
>I wish Ben forgot how to use the omnitrix.
That SHOULD be messing with free will, but it probably won't be because FoP is badly written.
>I wish Ben had no arms.
Not sure, but I don't think Timmy is allowed to make such malevolent wishes.
here's my list
-Timmy Turner (with his Fairy God Parents)
-Breadwinners (for comic relief)
-Spongebob Squarepants (pre-1st movie)
>Cartoon Network Team
-the Test Twins
-Finn and Jake
-Lio & Stich
-Phineas and Ferb
is that good?
Where are the Villains?
>Jake Long Villian?
Man Nick is fucked, but so is Disney with Bill
Danny always forgets to use his possession in combat, same deal with his intangibility.
and whoever else mentioned Alien X, he's damn near useless. Ben has gotten Bellicus and Serena to agree with him what, 3 times? And one of those was just to transform back from Alien X.
That only happens when he slams the watch down too hard. When Ben actually gets angry he gets quiet and focused and always uses the Omnitrix properly. Even if he didn't, as long as he doesn't roll The Worst or Walkatrout he should be able to fight effectively.
in omniverse Ben found that by offering Bellicus and Serena to argue with eachother all they want while they allow Ben full control, from that point on Ben is on full control of alien x and only limited by his own imagination and of course if the watch ever decides to give him Alien x when he wants to
maybe we could come up with the actual reason why that is no longer an option in the crossover, like Ben mess up really badly with alien X and the team has to solve it, like idk creating a tear into reality that lead up to a villain of another universe enters their own
It would have to involve the TMNT but it would be cool if Shredder used the Kraang's dimension hopping technology to go into other universes to gather villains (like Vilgax, Aku, Bill Cipher etc.) together.
I said in the old threads i say it now, once we start putting characters from pure comedies rather than action shows with comedy elements the thing gonna fell apart faster than a /co/general thread, Comedy characters are too hard to adapt into a crossover unless you want them as a gag or for actual comedy reasons, see SU crossover with UG works fine because its aknoledge its own impossibility, if you want Timmy for actual serious reason he is not gonna work with the story at all
Is there a single cartoon character that could even touch Ben Tennyson? And I'm not talking about Original series 10 year old Prototype omnitrix with 26 unlocked aliens Ben. I'm not even talking 16 year old Ultimate alien Ben with the Ultimatrix. I'm talking about Omniverse 16 year old battle experienced chilly fry fueled Ben Ten wielding the fully optimized true Omnitrix, with access to Gravattack, a living planet who can manipulate gravity fields, Way Big, who shoots cosmic rays strong enough cleave a mountain in two, Jetray, who can reach FTL speeds, Upgrade, who can control and enhance any technological device, Ghostfreak, who can possess living beings, Grey Matter, the most intelligent life form in 3 galaxies, Big Chill, who can turn intangible and freeze things in moisture-less air, Heatblast, who can reach supernova temperatures in a few seconds, Way Big, which can shoot cosmic beams large enough to completely erode a mountain, Gravattack, a living planet that can manipulate gravity fields, NRG, a living being of pure energy, Atomix, a being strong enough to create a miniature sun, Clockwork, A being who can manipulate time itself, Feedback, a creature who can absorb all forms of energy and was able to control and redirect the exponential, unfathomable energy required to create all existance for a short span of time, and Alien X, a being who can manipulate reality itself. Including his self defense training, slight magical prowess, battle experience after fighting supernatural beings for 6 years, with the Master Control on his Omnitrix unlocked?
Well, is there?
it all comes to if Ben gets the right alien, dude is pretty good improvising with what the watch gives him but yes dude would be invincible if he could always get the alien he wants, but also kinda kills the fun of the character, thats why i like random omnitrix Ben, he keeps the gimmick fresh
He's the strongest because he can't be killed.
Fuck, they actually straight-out said that the omnitrix wouldn't let him die in the last episode where he survived the big bang.
And on top of all that, he still has Alien X, which can control and create universes by itself. And with the two guardians in space jail, Ben has full control over that shit.
You are exaggerating several of his abilities and putting others out of context, and are outright wrong about one
>Heatblast, who can reach supernova temperatures in a few seconds
Heatblast went nowhere near supernova in that episode. Gwen called it supernova, but she was using hyperbole. If it was anywhere near that temperature a flame that large would have destroyed most of the planet.
>Atomix, a being strong enough to create a miniature sun,
He created a tiny tiny ball of fusion which was so bright it appeared to be a ball in his hand. If it was larger, it would once again have destroyed the planet.
> experience after fighting supernatural beings for 6 years
He was playing soccer for 3-4 of those
Out of context:
>Upgrade, who can control and enhance any technological device
They have to be of a certain level of complexity.
>Jetray, who can reach FTL speeds
While Jetray is certainly capable of this, it takes concentration and isn't possible in the middle of combat
>Alien X, a being who can manipulate reality itself
Next to useless due to the split personalities
>Grey Matter, the most intelligent life form in 3 galaxies
Azmuth is the most intelligent life form in 3 galaxies. Grey Matter is just a Galvan. While smart, he isn't anywhere near Azmuth's level and Wyatt confirmed that Grey matter's sample is from neither Azmuth nor Albedo.
>They have to be of a certain level of complexity.
a cement mixer and a pitching tennis machine doesn't seem that technologically complex to me, if you want to point out a weakness for upgrade you could said he can still be harm inside the machines he upgrades and the upgrades only last as long as he is fused to the machine itself
there are not that many ben 10 threads and as Ben 10 fag that usually reads all those threads i can say is not a pasta, or at least not one used before, maybe he is modifying an already existing pasta
Well, I did primp it up a little, for effect. I didn't have much time to think about the canoncity of everything I was typing.
Right you are.
I suppose he's right in the sense that the machine has to be metal. I doubt Upgrade could merge with a wooden catapult.
oh man long time no see this threads, does anyone saved that speech an anon wrote for Vlad of how he plans to take down each of the character in OP's pic? that shit was awesome wish i still had it
Sweet I got trips.
Anyways it looks like I'm here for the long haul and also probably am going to be keeping this thread alive alone
So I might as well address the original reason this thread was created.
It seems to me that, if we are going to address this concept, we should accept that only certain characters or versions of characters should be allowed to play.
For example, allowing every "original" character from the channels is going to end in a disaster; not all of them are really meant for a heavyweight fight and others are just plain not suited to the atmosphere of this kind of crossover.
>forgetting Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy
>forgetting the Crimson Chin
>forgetting fucking Ultra Lord
That said, lore doesn't need to be a limiting factor on who gets to come in. It's a crossover, which means that the vast majority of the Storyline would probably be taking place in one universe, and thus the lore of the others would be almost irrelevant.
Note that I said almost. Artifacts like Jack's sword, for example, would have to be accounted for. Specifically, this weapon would require the reconciliation of the definitions of "good" and "evil", especially if beings like HIM or Pariah Dark pop up.
that looks sooo disusting
On another note, let's look at the individual rosters of the networks. I'm going to be doing no villains and no pure comedy shows in an attempt to reduce the zaniness. Feel free to point out anyone I miss for each network
I'll be doing it in segments.
How about a team of all three to battle villains from all three?
The Huntsman (American Dragon: Jake Long)
Whatever villain from Korra
Okay, Nick first.
You know him, you love him. All the traditional abilities of a ghost: flight, intangibility, invisibility, possession, as well as some others, such as the ability to create shields and blasts from ectoplasm, a ridiculously powerful wail, and shoot ice from his fingertips. On top of all this he has superhuman speed and strength, and can turn human at will.
A female clone of Danny, she possesses most of his abilities but not his Ghostly Wail or his cryo blasts.
>XJ-9, or Jenny
The Teenage Robot. She's got superhuman strength (enough to stop a meteor), stamina, reflexes, speed, etc. various types of vision and hearing types, flight energy beams, can speak every human language, can stretch her limbs to absurd lengths, and has many dozens if not hundreds of forms she can turn into, such as a spider and a cannon.
Boy Genius. Capable of producing a wide array of inventions which almost invariably backfire spectacularly. Not much to say here.
Okay confession time, I never watched this show. I know he's got some aztec artifacts and some luchador moves, but his wiki is no help at all.
>Avatar Aang, 12
Master of the 4 elements, took down the fire lord, yada yada yada. Gonna stop going in depth and just start assuming you guys know the characters (but I'll probably add some commentary)
>Avatar Korra, 21
more of a hindrance than a help, mind you
*I don't have any problem using superheroes from comedy shows
with Lilo because otherwise he's out of control
err... shit Disney sucks at this
>reading this thread
just how far ahead did they think when they came up with 'dial h for hero' with aliens?
Why isn't he in these lists with Goku, Superman, Batman, the Mask, Dante, Popeye, etc.
And now for Cartoon network
Not even counting Gwen, Kevin, and Rook, though at least one of them deserves to be in this fight
>Finn and Jake
>Ilana, Lance, and Octus
you need all three together
Not even gonna touch Billy, Mandy, and Grim
Alright, so taking all of these into consideration, the obvious winner has got to be Cartoon Network. They outnumber both of the other channels, they have the most powerful heroes, they have the smartest genius, the best robots. Only place they might get edged out is magic, and that's a big maybe with both Zak Saturday and Juniper Lee on their team.
In short, Disney and Nick:
Can't knock out Buttercup
Can't outsmart Dexter
Can't out jack-of-all-trades Ben.
CN takes it hands down.
found some of the old fics made in the original threads in the archive, in case someone hasn't read them
they aren't that bad for fic standards
in the old threads it was mention all the time but it never got completely integrated into the story due the writeanon at that time not being familiar with the series, but if we can integrate now i would give my thumbs up, I love El tigre and the characters are such fun they would fit the team like a glove
Could Ben defeat Bill?
I mean Bill is like Alien X in the way that he can manipulate time and space to his will, and can evil end the world from what the show tells is, as well as being able to posses people and even enter the dreamscape, and plus he isn't a physical being, so no DNA snatching from Ben, and that's even if he HAS DNA.
Bill could just turn Ben into an Egg and crush him, ala Evil Buu style.
If we're going by winners of anything, Disney might have this in the bag with Bill.
Bill has as much power in the real world as a regular "contracts" demon.
Limited telekinesis, possession and mind invasion/hallucination, and keep in mind that all of this is bound by contracts or deals, so he can only use them in a non-threatening way unless someone allows him by making a deal.
Think about it in a Dormammu/Magik way, they have unlimited power on their own realm, but when in other dimensions they are severely limited. Only his is even harsher.
Actually, now that I think about it, there was an episode of PPG where they made up an imaginary friend to defeat another kid's imaginary friend. A single imaginary friend was too much for the fucking PPG. Yeah, Mac's the guy to beat.
What I think needs to happen is that we need to think more like the Big Two in terms of powerlevels/scale, in the sense of creating or proposing meaningful conflict.
It's why superheroes have their own differing levels of power--so that Superman doesn't immediately TPK all the bad guys in the DCU.
I guess that my point is that if Ben is fighting an intergalactic alien empire by HIMSELF, he should only be up against heroes that do something similar.
Likewise, there are similar levels of over-the-top superhuman characters who fight ancient evils (PPG, SU, ATLA,), just-above-normal people, all the way down to normal people in extraordinary situations, such as (Big Two example) The Punisher.
Scythe actually has a lot of limitations to it that you haven't pointed out
>Scythe needs to be sharpened to create portals (and it can be broken if not sharpened properly)
>Scythe can randomly send its holder somewhere in the Great Beyond if charged with static electricity
>It still fails against a couple of other sources of magic (in the cowboy episodes, Grim explicitly mentioned how much stronger the Tooth Fairy's wand is)
>Scythe can literally run out of battery
That said there's a few considerations with Grim you haven't brought up
>He's unkillable except for a few methods. The most Jack could do was just separate Grim's head permanently and while Nergal rekt Grim, Grim didn't show any signs of letting up when Nergal started electrocuting him. The only time he ever legit died was with the hourglass being tipped upside down
>Also relevant to above, but the Scythe's slashes can not be healed (as said before the Scythe can be used to make it impossible for Grim's head to be reattached)
>Grim can punk anyone he wants with the hourglasses if he REALLY wants to (like extending their lifespan or doing the opposite)
>Grim can actually kill technology if he wants to (remember when he killed that guy's cellphone just by touching it?) which would make him a hard counter vs. most of the tech based characters.
>Can give people immortality
>Can fuck with immortal characters, even characters he granted their immortality to
Or another thing that could happen is for there to be mostly separated "realms" with different overarching themes, that mostly keep to themselves. Similar characters can occupy high/low tiers.
For instance, there's the "realm" that's mostly based around cryptids and the supernatural. Most humans are normal, but not all of them. It's the most street level, and fights are won through wits as well as brawn.
>Relevant series (I'm not sticking strictly to the main three because a 'verse with all of them would be baller AF)
Total Drama? Or is that too slice of life?
Ed, Edd, and Eddy
I think you get the idea.
>spies and mad scientists
>standard superhero crossover land
>space (ala Cosmic Marvel)
Timmy isn't wishing to a genie, he doesn't need to word his wishes specifically. Cosmo and Wanda know what he want's, and they'll give it too him so that he wins. They aren't going to mess with him for poorly worded wishes like Norm would.
I think I'd still give this to Ben. Yes Kirby is the most OP piece of shit that can survive planets exploding from underhim, and can take any hit, and is basically a black hole.
Literally any other character can't take on a black hole, except for a God like entity. Ex: Alien X
Alien X > Black Holes/Kirby
wtf, she's absolutely useless. And Jasper got shit on my Garnet in a fist fight. Do you really think they are even comparable to stuff like Aku.
Granted, Steven Universe is a new show, we haven't even seen the most powerful entity in that show yet. Jasper and Peridot are just grunts.
It's a tough one.
A lot of people would say Hero Team, but Villains have Bill Cipher. We don't really know what Bill Cipher is yet, and right now he seems like an interdimentional reality warping entity. Ben has Alien X, but would they cancel each other out?
How about this to balance things-
Villians from CN help out Disney and Nick, I mean Ben 10 is OP and all, but only one sword gonna hurt him, hell e could just rip a portal in time and send someone back to kill him as a baby.
Nick would rekt CN. Danny Phantom, Jenny and Aang would curbstomp anyone one who isn't Ben 10. And if Ben can use his bullshit OP powers, so can they
No effect on Jenny because she's a fucking robot
>Muh Alien X
Danny Can over shadow him and force Ben to make retarded decisions
>Muh Alien X
>Danny Can over shadow him and force Ben to make retarded decisions
Meaning what? Also Ben gained control of Alien X after his trial in Ben 10 vs The Universe. He no longer has to argue with two moronic cosmic faces anymore.
If you mean possess him, he'd probably have to do it before he turns into Alien X, because if Alien X was immune to the universe being destroyed, he's probably immune to possession by lower beings.
Ben all ready deals with a spectral body snatcher in Zy'skar(Ghost Freak)
>send someone to kill Ben as a baby
>he have to get past Ben, Max, and Doctor Paradox
Max ain't going to let you fuck with his grandson, Doctor will know what the fuck you are doing and he will get at least one Ben from the future to fuck you up.
Are we even sure an alien x will care about being absorbed? Alien X is powerful but that one alien who could absorb powers proved that celestial sapient don't care much about defending themselves since he basically could have just walked up to one and take it's powers if ben and the gang didn't stop him.
Ben 10k could and he had all of his aliens and master control of his watch. The watch isn't going to let Ben die either so you hope the watch doesn't take matter into its own hands and transforms Ben itself.
1.Jenny is sentient and still has fears, Toepic would work
2. Ben has how many outs to robots again? Upgrade,Jurry Rigg, Shocksquatch, Feedback, Buzzshock, Brainstorm, Ampfibian,Frankenstrike...
3.Alien X tanked a bomb that blew up the universe, he can easily block a possession
Ben is a dick of epic proportions so here is how it would go.
He would either use Lodestar, Nanomech, or Jury Rigg
He would use either Feedback, Big Chill, or Ghostfreak
Remember Ben is rule of cool over being practical. Ben is also a dick so the closer he can get to what his opponent is doing to beat them at their own game, he will. Danny has ghost powers so to one up him he will most likely use Ghostfreak. Ben also uses the same tactics against similar opponents all the damn time.
Finn and Jake
the Kids Next Door
Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!
Kim and Ron
Lilo and Stitch
Mabel and Dipper
>Nickelodeon Honor Fuard
Avatar Aang(Yakone Vision)
Avatar Korra, 21
What about when his Omnitrix Times Out? Truth be told, though, I really do think Ben would turn into Ghost Freak just to have a "Ghost Fight" with Danny.
>Watch times out
>Ben sits and thinks for a bit
>turns into Buzzshock and zaps his way out
Ben has a way to get out once he's in. NRG can overload or drain the power for example.
Ben would because that's how he works. Instead of using some tactic against Vilgax, he will just use Fourarms to overpower him which is stupid each time he does it.
We have no idea what happens to a human in the thermos, though. Best case scenario, Ben expands and shatters it from the inside.
Worst case, Danny opens it later and a thick, viscous red fluid pours out.