Let's be honest, Spider-man would be better as a tv series. Spiderr-man should be a bigger budget Arrow/Flash
>teen and then early adulthood drama
>will they won't they between he and MJ
>Dat season 2 death of Gwen Stacy
>dat season 3 Venom mid season arc
>dat season 3 Sinister Six finale
>dat season 4 six arms saga
>dat season 4 marriage to MJ
>dat Spider-Gwen in season 5
>dat relationshit drama with alternate verse Spide-Gwen and MJ
There is literally no ongoing comic that would be better as a movie so long as the series has a reasonable budget. Why is this even so heavily discussed? Its fucking obvious
>Comics are episodic
>A series is episodic
No fucking shit Spider-Man would work better as an ongoing series. NOBODY is going to be opposed to multiple thirteen hour seasons compared to one two hour or less movie every three years. And its possible now because effects are easier every day. Thats it, what else is there to say on the topic?
It was less of an "argument in /co/" topic and more of a "If Sony and Marvel were really smart" topic
the current tv formats populart today are:
dark and gritty crime shows
le quirky mc procedural show
muh left wing diversity comedy show
a period piece show (with le quirky characters)
Spider-Man's story arc doesn't fit what people want to watch in this day and age.
MJ/Pete will they/won't they?
Isn't that like trying to milk Clark Kent/Louis Lane will they/won't they>
Hell, they're only apart now because editorial demanded it and they only way they could make it work was with a literal deal with a devil
I mean, I suppose Spectacular was trying to throw in a Gwen curve-ball, but as soon as MJ entered, it seemed set in stone who Pete's destiny in the show was.
Eh, it was too early to tell. Specially with the intresting development they had with Liz.
But it sure as fuck wasn't going to be Gwen. With her make over she got worse as a character, and then the whole bullshit at the end of the season.
She deserves that bridge.
I figured Weisman was just good at keeping people guessing
I mean, I KNOW that Norman is the original Goblin, but he still had me suspecting Harry
I wasn't paying close enough attention to notice the Chameleon thing
You could argue about the Avengers working better as a movie than as a series.
Look at it this way: the Avengers combined would be more than able to defeat any hero's enemy. If you establish them as an active, ongoing team, you start getting into "Wait, why didn't Iron Man help Cap against Baron Zemo?" And there's only so many times you can pull the "Well he did his own stuff." No, he didn't. Non-street heroes spend most of their time NOT fighting threats. If the Avengers are constantly together, what are they doing when Hydra's not fucking shit up? Playing poker in the Mansion/Tower 24/7?
But if you treat them teaming-up as a rare event, just for world-destroyer threats, then you avoid that issue, and make the very idea of Avengers, and whoever they're fighting, instantly more epic ("Holy shit, this guy must be really dangerous if it takes ALL OF THE AVENGERS to stop him"). Treat the Avengers as a crisis-srossover in themselves.
This approach would necessitate series for the individual heroes, though, sort of like what they're doing with Netflix (four series for the heroes solo, and then one big team-up, only here the team-up would be a movie).
Let's not kid ourselves, it was great.
I disagree completely. For one, big budget movies allow for visuals you normally won't find on TV.
In specific, CGI.
After watching Daredevil on Netflix, it's clear that they barely used any CGI. The answer is budget and how much money they didn't have at their disposal. How would that work with a character that literally swings through the streets of Manhattan and scales buildings like a spider?
With 2 hours of content, you really allow a crew to put all of their effort in the movements, and I think that's a huge part in identifying the character.
Also, to be clear I think the Flash has some great CGI. It just won't ever compete with the quality you see coming from a blockbuster.
That completely changes the story then.
If Gwen's just a friend, it takes away most of the pathos. After all, Peter didn't react nearly as badly when Captain Stacy died. Her being his girlfriend is a huge part of the story. If you're taking that away, why kill her in the first place? Just to show Peter can't save people close to him? He learned that with Uncle Ben. Gwen dying was a different thing for him.
It really was great, save for that detour it did to the past with goth/punk Gwen under a different artist.
What I like is that they managed to give it somewhat of an ending for Pete and MJ before Season 2 came to fuck everything in the ass.
Who the fuck cares about CGI if you can't tell a good story or can't translate a comic book story properly? A tv series would be the best format for a comic book character like Spidey, who deals with a lot of soap opera and general real life drama stuff in his comics.
I care about CGI. You have cartoons if you want Spidey soap opera.
Like I said, you literally have a character that climbs walls like a Spider. You seem to think that this would be easy to pull off. They couldn't even get Daredevil to do something other than even the most basic of gymnastics on the Netflix series.
I mean it's been mentioned already but the Spectacular Spider-Man TV series was basically this until it got cancelled. It had different sorts of plot threads but it was doing them all (basically) right.
I honestly believe that Spectacular is one of the best iterations of Spider-Man that's been produced.
Additionally, most of his infamous rogues would be heavy on special effects. Someone like Shocker would be okay, but guys like Lizard, Venom, Doc Oc... it would require significant time and money to make them look halfway decent. Perhaps more then a producer would be willing to push.
An animated take might work, but then the question becomes whether or not you'll get enough people to watch it without automatically assuming that it's "kiddy". This *might* change if Vixen ends up being successful.
Yea, I don't think people quite understand how this works. Daredevil might work setting it in reality. His rogues are a bit different than Spidey's.
Some people here are very naive. They don't understand the time and money that goes into these things.
>Let's be honest, Spider-man would be better as a tv series. Spiderr-man should be a bigger budget Arrow/Flash
Probably would be better as an animated show like that DC Vixen show coming out.
The cgi cost for his swinging and then all of his rogues costumes, gadgets, etc. It'd definitely look weird live-action, especially if it's a TV series.
>Dat season 2 death of Gwen Stacy
>dat season 3 Venom mid season arc
I'd compact them both. Like early when Peter gets his symbiotic suit, it slowly corrupts him as usual and that leads to the death of Gwen.
Like the scene would play out where it's that Green Goblin bridge part in the comics, right after Gwen dies. Peter (in his Symbiote suit) goes berserk or something and almost kills Norman. He chooses not to and basically realizes what the Symbiote has done to him (lead to the death of Gwen and almost forced him to kill.)
That's what leads him to get rid of the suit and Venom comes in later in the arc (He would serve as a constant reminder of his failures, etc) idk, I feel like this would work and would make Spidey realizes what a huge threat this is and takes it more seriously than his other villains.
I honestly wouldn't mind a SpOck arc. Fuck you it could be great if you have a good writer.
for story, yea I can't argue.
But after the first season I'm guessing, when Spidey isn't just doing shit in wrestling rings and fighting thugs and whatever big villain they have at the end of the first season. I think it would have real budget problems when it comes to effects. Testing the waters with a mature-ish cartoon could be the best of both worlds, if you could get people into it.
>it slowly corrupts him as usual
How about, for once, we do something original? Hear me out hear. Take liberties with the story and pave your own path!
No Gwen death!
No corrupting assholeifying symbiote (like the original)! He parts with it because it's draining him, but they leave on good terms. Venom ends up becoming a mentally unstable ally because the symbiote attached to a mentally unsound, jealous Brock.
Maybe, just maybe, another LI other than MJ! Liz Allen, Andi Betton, Sophia Sanduval, hell, even Kitty Pryde or Betty Brant.
Just do something different for once.
Gwen becomes the first death that Spidey was directly responsible for after Ben, which gives him an arc where he sees himself as still a failure who can't save people he actually knows, but this time it's visceral since he's so close to this death. I mean, he actually holds her body and is the first to realize she's dead. First time you touch a dead body, you never forget it.
So it basically marks Peter growing from older teens kid to an actual adult.
Peter marrying Mary-Jane signifies when he first starts getting his shit together; he may not have a better job, but he's really buckled down and when life smacks him in the face with a brick he grits his teeth despite crying and gets into the fight. He gets completely broken a few times after that as life's bullshit mounts on him, in what can be seen as basically dealing with suicidal thoughts, but that characterization continues until One More Day fucked everything up and Peter stopped getting longterm development.
>How about, for once, we do something original? Hear me out hear. Take liberties with the story and pave your own path!
Not for a TV show anon. Status quo.
>Venom as an ally
Yeah. Why not introduce Flash Venom as an ally after Brock then.
That or Brock switches between good/bad throughout the series. Venom as a good guy can be good. See Spider-man 1 for the PS1.
But that actually fucking happened.
Eddie Brock moved to San Francisco after Peter helped save his ex-wife and they sort of made a truce. He discovered an underground city of homeless people and vowed to be their "LETHAL PROTECTOR!!!" and defended them from various threats, with the help of Spiderman a few times.
But then interest died, so they made him hit a wall in character development and go insane when the symbiote tried to take him over and he literally ate a guy's brain causing him to be institutionalized.
Then they kinda yanked him from one thing to the other; LICENSE TO KILL!!! had him asa an agent of the government in the most Liefeldian thing you can imagine, they tried to make him a cosmic version of Jason Voorhees alongside Wolverine, and they kept bringing him back for a three way fight with Carnage.
Realizing they'd completely lost any idea of what made Venom popular while trying to cash in and having drug him through every surface until he was a permanently stained mess, they killed off Eddie with cancer and have been jumping the symbiote idea around ever since hoping something would stick (although when it finally did, in Anti-venom, Marvel kept killing the idea for some reason).
Also, Spidey never really had an ongoing relationship with any X-characters other than Wolverine and Gambit, who would pop in for a team-up from time to time.
you forget the "last" and second to last season when ratings are the lowest,
>the reason the fans come back
>oh wait this show has a ton of interesting characters
>holy shit maybe Villains are people too
>Wow maybe his relate-ability and attitude as a comic relief isn't so bad after all
TLDR: the comics in Tv form
>That or Brock switches between good/bad throughout the series
Exactly! He's unstable, but the symbiote is the stabilizing element. Brock's got a buttload of problems, but since the symbiote was roommates with Spidey it can help him out, but sometimes he hulks out and affects the symbiote, too. In the end, his influence over it is the danger, and the power it grants him is worse, so he passes it to someone who needs healing,
Flash., after he was grievously injured trying to save Peter after they rekindle they're long forgotten friendship.
Of course it did. But nowadays the symbiote is remembered for being a maleficent influence and Venom for being Spidey's darkside. This, while going back to basics, would be a nice change.
Also, Ult. Peter dated Shadowcat, it was nice. Bendis did good, to me. If not, more cute shenanigans with Chat the animal-whisperer.
>But nowadays the symbiote is remembered for being a maleficent influence and Venom for being Spidey's darkside.
Pretty sure people who read comics remember him as the swole hobo nutcase with the huge fucking teeth who tried to brutally murder Peter a lot, and people who saw the movie remember something vague about Peter's parents and Red Foreman's son that dated Donna in That 70's Show.
Third audiance is the video-game crowd, who remember Ultimate Spiderman and Web of Shadows where Venom's symbiote is a corruption-spreading super fucking awesome to play as alternate form.
That was my first though when Smallvilke was popular: how is a Spider-Man TV show with relationship drama not a thing? (I'm under the impression relationship drama was important in Smallville?)
Spectacular supported my theory.
What a novel idea, a Spider-Man animated series!
Why didn't they think of that?
I know this is b8 but a live-action series would be so impractical anon.
>I know this is b8
What the fuck about this is bait? Are you retarded?
>a live-action series would be so impractical anon.
Alright, but let's not pretend you're resolving anything by making it animated. You're just making an animated series, not a live action show. You're not dealing with the issue, you're just giving up and keeping doing what has been done over half a dozen times before.
An animated Spider-Man show would be fine (and some have been), but that's not the topic at hand here.
Also it being impractical in no way makes it impossible.
>What the fuck about this is bait? Are you retarded?
Don't post 60s Spidey then. :^(
>You're just making an animated series, not a live action show. You're not dealing with the issue, you're just giving up and keeping doing what has been done over half a dozen times before. An animated Spider-Man show would be fine (and some have been), but that's not the topic at hand here.
Well this is just a bunch of fantasizing here. Yes, some of those shows have been straight up amazing but a lot of those series got canned and often got left off unfinished and unsatisfied. I'm pretty sure people just want a full complete/on-going Spidey series that isn't complete garbage like Ultimate.
I know Spectacular got cancelled early. Didn't 1994 and Unlimited get cut early too?
>Also it being impractical in no way makes it impossible.
Of course it isn't impossible. It would just look so odd, like Spider-man swinging in New York and how you'd have to manage the cgi budget for that. Or Venom and using cgi to make him look like a hulking brute and not like Venom in SM3.
It would just save more money animating the fight scenes rather than filming it live-action. You would just accomplish more. Then again, Arrow kinda did these things so idk.
Well I guess they get "cut early" because really they'd just keep them going forever otherwise. Like, you know, the source material.
>It would just save more money animating the fight scenes rather than filming it live-action.
It would also *make* a lot less money.
If DC was able to succesfully sell Superman (2 times in the last 20 years), Green Arrow and Flash to people who don't watch cartoons, you better believe there's a ton of money to be made Spidey, who, it needs to be said, is *widely* more popular than any of those guys.
They'd probably cut corners one way or another (probably by having little actual action scenes and replacing them with character interactions, like in Smallville) but they should be able to get a sizeable budget. It would certainly not be a straight-up adaptation of most storylines. It would also certainly not be "Muh Spider-Man", but that doesn't really matter.
So I guess what suits comic fans like you or I is a cartoon adaptation, but that's really not the target audience for a live action show.
And, well, we could have both.