So why does Disney refuse to acknowledge this film, as well as ones like Treasure Planet, Brave Little Toaster, and some other ones I can't remember
It's just that alleged "failures" like Hercules and Princess and The Frog are usually brought up or referenced in Disney media, but not these and certain other movies. Barely having a cameo on House of Mouse
>Kingdom Hearts will never have an Atlantis or Treasure Planet world/section
Which sucks because Sora and the other Keybearers are supposedly getting things like this, but they won't have a good level to try them out in
Treasure Planet was a huge risk for Disney that utterly failed. A $140 million that only made back just under $110 million worldwide.
Brave Little Toaster wasn't actually made by Disney, they were just the distribution company on that.
I don't know where you got the idea that Hercules and Princess and the Frog were failures. Herc was made for $85 million and brought in over $250 million. PatF had a budget of $105 million and made nearly $270 million.
So those were big successes, financially, they just didn't get the critical reception Disney wanted.
Now Atlantis made money. Not much, but on a budget of $120 million is scored $180 million.
But it wasn't as well-received as Disney wanted. Especially since it was a huge risk for them to put out an animated movie with a PG rating. It didn't help that it was almost immediately bombarded with complaints and comparisons to a certain Japanese anime. But unlike the last time that happened with Lion King, Disney wasn't sitting high and mighty on a runaway smash hit success.
Disney's official stance is still that the Lion King/ Kimba comparison is by accident. Even though it was leaked that their original plan was to have Simba be white and several animators admit they thought they were working on a Kimba adaptation.
The problem with both movies, as far as I've read about it, had nothing to do with the quality of the movie. They're gorgeous in so many ways, and they're my personal favorites from Disney.
The problem was money. Simple.
This is so shitty. I love 2-D animation from disney, and I will probably never ever gonna see another good movie from disney in that style.
Ok, I like Pixar, but i'm getting kind of sick of 3D animation movies.
From the reaction Paper Man was getting, we might get something made in that same style. That is, 3D animated, but presented in 2D.
Short answer, yes. Disney wanted to get in on the whole CGI in animation thing, but no one at the time was very good at melding 2D characters with 3D CGI. Just look at how dated Titan AE looks, as well. Which also flopped two years before Treasure Planet.
It was a gamble, one that flopped for both Disney and Fox.
Oh yeah, forgot about Sinbad.
I remember not liking this movie as a kid.
Watching it recently, it really has improved my judgement. The artwork is amazing, granted anything Mignola touches is near gold, and I love the side characters.
Not to mention it had diversity that was done properly, rather than a hamfisted SJW attempt.
But 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea had absolutely nothing to do with Atlantis having magical blue crystals and scantily-clad brown girls with green eyes wearing them who happened to be princesses of that domain.
funny that watching this movie when you're older makes you appreciate it more. there's even jokes and references that you actually funny while you didn't get them when you were a kid.
I thought Treasure planet was good, it felt like an adventure. Even watching it now I still like it.
Atlantis I liked too, but I haven'st seen it in years. Actually I didn't even put together that it's heavily influenced by Nadia until now. Because I watched Nadia long after I forgot about this movie.
Atlantis is really a successor to the style of 20,000 leagues (1954) and Journey to the Centre of the Earth (1959). In regards to the latter, Atlantis would have probably had benefited from having a animal character like Gertrude the duck.
It's always nice thinking back to these movies and being surprised at all the "dark" elements of the films. Hercules was pretty shit, but Treasure Planet and Atlantis had some crazy action scenes.
Disney should have learned from the 80s that it sucks at "dark" animated movies.
Hey, The Horned King was bretty gud.
He just doesn't remember because he wasn't born yet.
Also, Meg didn't become part of Disney's princess lineup, so it tends to lose ground to the Disney Merchandising machine.
Still, Tiana joined the princess lineup, but that was a bit of Affirmative Action of Disney's part.
This. You may think that the entertainment industry is there to create artistic content but that's not true.
The execs simply use the art as a means to make money. They don't care about the product at all, they wouldn't care if they were peddling baked beans under the same brand name as long as it made them cash.
Simba being white was true, but IIRC the only person who thought it was Kimba was Matthew Broderick, and even he just said something like "i thought it was an adaptation of that cartoon I watched as a kid."
The fact that he couldn't even remember the name kind of implies that they were never actually calling it/planning for it to be Kimba.
I honestly give Disney the benefit of the doubt on this one case.
This is the exact reason Micheal Bay continues to get work.
It's fun to make fun of him for making his retarded explosionfests but from a business standpoint, he's a good investment. Since his retarded explosionfests tend to make more money corresponding to how retardedly things explosion.
It didn't translate very well into an experience that is easy to market. Sci-fi adventure does seem to have trouble attracting an audience when you think about it (Atlantis, Titan AE, Treasure Planet)
Unfortunately it also explains those godawful 'Epic Movie' parodies.
As they were made on a shoestring it doesn't need a lot of exposure to become profitable. So they just make more and more until the well runs dry.
You want to talk about forgotten Disney films? Okay.
Nadia and Atlantis are only alike in superficial ways that do not matter. Oh no, crystals!?! Hahaha, just about all New Age goofiness about Atlantis has them involved with crystals -- Christ, there was an episode or two of the live-action Hercules Legendary Journeys that had Atlantis using magic crystals to run everything from laser-staffs to microwave ovens, four years before Disney's Atlantis was released.
Exotic princesses are a staple of Victorian/Edwardian fiction, just as thoughtful, non-brawny, scientific heroes are.
You're silly. How is Atlantis like Nadia, in all but the most superficial ways, that can easily (and more appropriately) be attributed to the tropes of the literary genre that both borrow everything from? Not to mention wacky modern socio-psychological trends in Pop Theology?
Up to this point, I only thought that you were merely wrong. Know I know that you're a top-notch fabulist.
I recently discovered Treasure Planet and decided to check it out. It was absolutely amazing. The animation style was beautiful, the characters were all really fun, the designs for characters and ships were amazing(Long John Silver was particularly cool looking) and it was overall really enjoyable. It's definitely made a place in my Top 5 animated films.
One Disney film I'm kind of sad never gets attention anywhere is Brother Bear. In fact, I looked up reviews of the film from when it came out saw some reviewer criticize its animation.
I have just watched Atlantis few days ago and I love it. While Treasure Planet has superbly done animation I did think something was missing from it because I could not find it as awesome as Tarzan, Atlantis and Hunchback of Notre Dame.
I actually quite like Brother Bear.
Granted, I watched it dubbed, so I did not have to listen to the Phil Collins OST, which is what I've seen brought up most often as a reason for why anons on /co/ dislike the movie.
Hercules wasn't a failure. With PATF, even though it didn't do as well at the box office as Disney had hoped, it still got a decent amount of attention for having a black princess and it gave them a new face to add to their princess merchandising lineup.
They were going to an animated series, but Mignola wanted to go to some dark places with it. Nazi dark.