What the fuck happened? Why is everyone hating on Based Waid all of a sudden?
Go ask the other thread. We really don't need multiple threads for this. The short version is that Waid is the writer for the upcoming All-new All-Different Avengers book, which has a lot of legacy characters that anti-SJWs have a problem with, so they were on edge about him waiting for their opportunity to accuse him of being an SJW pandering cuck. Then a couple days ago, he said something mean about gamergate on twitter, which gave the anti-SJWs their in for bashing him.
Now he's just yet another person that's gotten the modern day McCarthy treatment, being treated as the bane of mankind because he may or may not have political opinions a group of people disagree with.
>Now he's just yet another person that's gotten the modern day McCarthy treatment, being treated as the bane of mankind because he may or may not have political opinions a group of people disagree with.
Are SJWs really trying to reverse this criticism when they're so famous for going after anyone who expresses a non-tumblr approved opinion?
>Now he's just yet another person that's gotten the modern day McCarthy treatment
He said GamerGate, of which many women are a part of, hates women and are similar to the KKK. You are actually defending this.
He said that being a troll online is the same as being in the KKK and said the internet should be censored. When he was called out on the censorship advocacy he said that being anti-censorship is the same as being in the KKK as well.
It's nothing, he just got into an argument with some Gamer Ghazi fucknuckles on Twitter.
And remember, he previous thread about this said that it had somehow RUINED his carreer.
As if it were the sexist, racist shitheels who support Gamer Gate that buy Waid's anti-racist Daredevil comics!
As if those pathetic excuses for human beings cannhave any effect on the world besides blatant, obvious underhanded manipulation!
As if those degenerates had any economic relevance at all! In ANY imdustry!
Don't worry about anything OP, it's just a bunch of lobotomized chimps throwing a shitfit and acting like they're relevant.
Apparently you're not allowed to speak out against GG or else you're Double Hitler.
Of course, he shouldn't have gotten involved in gamergate one way or the other, since that never ends well for anybody, but it's not the first time Waid has said some dumb inflammatory shit on twitter. It's just that its usually aimed at DC rather than Ethics in Games Journalism.
Can someone give a clear and straightforward answer to this question, with facts, that isn't a piece of overt SJW propaganda like >>71430963
or uselessly vague like every other post ITT?
Ideally with a copy of whichever offending tweet(s) it was that he posted.
also a little light listening
No you. Last I checked, gamergate discussion was banned from 4chan. Don't you have your own site to circlejerk over/against GG for? Take it to other chan or tumblr, but it doesn't belong here either way.
Just because someone that works in the comics industry said something on twitter about it doesn't make it /co/-related, you fucking autist.
>Just because someone that works in the comics industry said something on twitter about it doesn't make it /co/-related, you fucking autist.
The public statements of comics industry professionals have always - always - been grist for /co/, and it is the height of ideologically driven derangement to claim otherwise.
Yes. They were thrown out of a con in Canada because their pro-GG poster triggered all the sissies and Waid praised this censorship and eventually labeled them as sexist, KKK and Westboro Baptist Church
>implying any of this silly shit matters when pic related is the real problem
He later "apologized" by saying that comparing anti-censorship to the kkk was unfair to the kkk.
Waid who was one of my favorite writers growing up has outed himself as a quite a bit of a twat.
holy shit are you delusional? do you not remember the plebcomics fiasco?
Yeah just look at this horrible person
I bet she eats babies and votes republican! (which are inherently linked)
Just look at her.
Mark "purge the unbelievers" Waid is right everyone who doesn't toe the line should be genocided.
These are your monsters
>Sir, I must point out that this statement, is grandiose in how flawed it is, in its description. I happen to be a Latino...
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. I can't read anymore. This is pitiful.
Your warriors are no match for ours. We managed to run women who do not agree with us from their booths and jobs. Our crusade is much more righteous than yours. Tremble in fear, pisspoo baby neckbeard, we shall crush you under the foot of the right side of history!
It's both, anon. The anti-SJWs and SJWs are exactly the same in their tactics and behavior. The problem isn't their individual opinions, but an inherent flaw with their whole generation.
>Retards can't separate what a person says from his work
> speak out against SJWs
>get doxed, death threats, your family gets harassed, etc.
>speak out against GG
>get doxed, death threats, your family gets harassed, etc.
Fixed. Welcome to modern Outrage Culture, where having opinions on the internet is the greatest crime one can commit.
I really can't blame Waid for his stance considering many GGers applauded when they basially gutted the only attempt at scholarly study being done of Video Games. Even if they themselves are and know good folks who really are there for "Ethics in Gaming Journalism" they are blind to what's around them.
But this is an affect of modern 'search filter' culture where facebook and similar feeds only show you things it thinks you'll like, so encountering people who disagree or evidence that contradicts the things you like is never encountered.
It's basically created a national epidemic of circle jerking and intellectual masturbation.
you dense shit don't skirt around your stupidity like that.
I really have had an issue with this, but I'm trying to learn to separate the two. Like I can't like English version of MGS because I think David Hayter is a whiny baby, I used to love Beaton's work but I don't like how she freaked out, etc. I'd really like to be able to enjoy the work and disconnect it from the person making it, but I always feel that the person puts themselves into their work, if that makes sense.
>basially gutted the only attempt at scholarly study being done of Video Games
Hahahahahahaha, holy fucking jesus dogballs christ
You mean Feminist Frequency?
Here is a study that disproves the core of her arguement
Keep in mind privileged doesn't always equal "power of control"
You can have status without wealth and be of a certain family/group that has reputation and privileges but you yourself have no money.
Actually, no there was another one I really can't recall at the moment because I'm only tangentially aware of the whole scenario.
To me, the whole thing reminds me of a quote from Clint Eastwood: "Used to be you could disagree with someone and still be their friend."
And when his retarded politics starts bleeding into his work? I mean that faggot Waid actually did an arc around his version of what happened to Trayvon Martin and it was horrifically bad.
>Waid who was one of my favorite writers growing up has outed himself as a quite a bit of a twat.
Nigga you're only finding this out NOW? This is literally no different than any other instance of Waid posting shit on twitter. He's a twat on twitter 24/7 and has been for years. You're only just realising it now, because he said something that hurt your feelings.
Seriously, Waid is and has always been, the biggest piece of shit in the comics industry to ever make a twitter. That doesn't suddenly make him not a great writer though.
Likewise, Hickman's twitter is 10/10 but that doesn't make him the greatest writer to ever live.
You people put way too much importance on social media.
>"Used to be you could disagree with someone and still be their friend."
You should tell that to Waid. Maybe he'd stop comparing people he disagrees with to the KKK and demanding they be silenced.
Rev60 comes to mind but that's such horrid shit and made by someone that keeps inserting hihoherself into gg and more often than not they take the cunts bait too.
You're an utter twat because if you fully read that sentence you'd know that it's more positive of GG.
>For a movement about harassing and chasing women out of the gaming industry
>they're doing a pretty poor job of doing so
>last I checked they were all still there.
Should I have added supposedly? Perhaps but retarded GG'ers are so obsessed with sniffing out SJW's that they had so much infighting they had to split their board over at their shitchan.
This is why you guys should use hubs, I can't be assed to trawl through a big ass thread to find all dem links for it to stay up for a day and a half
also I'm too busy releasing
if you do remember, I'd be interested to read about it
and I've learnt to make peace with creators with shitty opinions, like the earthworm jim guy and Orson Scott Card
He said Gamergaters are akin to the KKK, by which he means a hate group.
/co/ took that and blew it out of proportion and are now claiming that Mark Waid's career is "over". See last week, SJW were made when they discovered that Frank Cho wasn't on their "side". This week, mouth-breathers discover that Waid isn't on their "side".
oh that? the thing that doesn't matter because almost all games are already stored? the thing that the scholars were trying to make about them because "if it wasn't for us games would become unimportant"
Man, all of these controversies are like Pokemon games.
You get really addicted to them for the first 2 weeks, and then you start to get tired and realize how meaningless all this shit is until a new one comes out.
I wish I wasn't such a slave to shit-flinging but 4chan wouldn't be 4chan without it.
There was someone who claimed they were doing "video game preservation" as an academic thing but GG caused all academics to dismiss videogames entirely so their work was compromised.
If the story is true, I sympathize with putting in effort into something only to have your peers dismiss it for reasons outside your control. But that also means that academia is not a fruitful place for videogames to thrive, and considering how fucked up the arts are right now at universities it's for the best that the two stay separate. Besides, if someone really wants to preserve videogames, the best the hung to do would be to learn how to code and develop emulators.
You say that now, but just wait until comicsgate goes into full swing then we'll see whose crying. At this very moment, we have our top agents preparing a barrage of expertly crafted hashtags to wipe you SJWs off the map. Cho's barrage of blows was just the first step. He's opened the "gate" that'll allow us to ruin your propaganda machine.
also I'm too busy releasing
And make it snappy, buster!
>and I've learnt to make peace with creators with shitty opinions
That is, you prefer talent to ethics. Which is why you people are easy to manipulate.
>/co/ took that and blew it out of proportion
Yea /co/ are the crazies ones. What Waid said is no different than some right-wing idiot accusing people he disagrees with of being communists. Not to even mention he's completely wrong about GG. I mean if GG is so sexist and hateful against women then why did a group of women show up to that expo who were pro-GG?
>Chasing women out of their homes
>Brianna Wu later admits this never actually happened
I can get not supporting GG, but anyone who actually defends people like Anita or Literally Who are retards
>taking down clickbait sites is more important than game archival for the future of video games
Nigga please. I appreciate all the work you do for the win-o threads but you've gotta get your head outta your ass.
>What Waid said is no different than some right-wing idiot accusing people he disagrees with of being communists.
Does /co/ rant and rave and start two threads an hour when something like that happens? No?
>I mean if GG is so sexist and hateful against women then why did a group of women show up to that expo who were pro-GG?
ONE woman showed up and she tried to hijack a panel. And sorry but Gamergate is sexist and hateful. I get there are some folks that are trying to say "Hold on. Let's look at gaming culture reasonably." But unfortunately Gamergate has been hijacked by looneys.
I'm sorry, but I can't seem to locate it. I really wish I could, but my google-fu is week and I need to eat lunch. So I could be wrong.
But what my google search did turn up is that, well, GG tends to spend more time with being assholes than actual investigative reporting.
Ah, basically like people who would be in a particular class because of their parents, but don't own any wealth of their own since they're largely just living off of their parents money. Makes sense.
The KKK murdered thousands. You can't compare anyone short of the Nazis to the KKK unless you want to look like a fucktard racist with no historical sense. He is doing nothing but trivialize the violent crimes committed against black people in the late 80's.
The community has been doing a great job doing the archiving themselves. What exactly was the academic bringing to the table? Did they have a secret schematic of the Saturn that could only be gained from their position?
I said games are already archived, we don't need some scholars rubbing their egos to it
it's okay, I remembered what you were on about with the help of some other anons
>ONE woman showed up and she tried to hijack a panel.
>And sorry but Gamergate is sexist and hateful.
Someone should have told those women that huh?
>But unfortunately Gamergate has been hijacked by looneys.
Yes, those women against censorship are fucking crazy.
A bunch of neckbeards wasting their time by fighting against a bunch of landwhales over interactive digital toys.
GG could be sexist and hateful and still not be comparable to the KKK.
> is doing nothing but trivialize the violent crimes committed against black people in the late 80's.
>You can't compare anyone short of the Nazis to the KKK
>The KKK murdered thousands
You are trivializing the horrors that the Nazi perpetrated. You are LITERALLY worse than two Hitler's stacked on top of each other.
>Nigga you're only finding this out NOW? This is literally no different than any other instance of Waid posting shit on twitter. He's a twat on twitter 24/7 and has been for years. You're only just realising it now, because he said something that hurt your feelings.
I don't use twitter so I'm unfamiliar with anything else he may have said, why what else has he done?
>Seriously, Waid is and has always been, the biggest piece of shit in the comics industry to ever make a twitter.
Now I'm very curious
>But what my google search did turn up is that, well, GG tends to spend more time with being assholes than actual investigative reporting.
I'm sure you're not being biased at all.
See (or listen to) >>71431244
>But unfortunately Gamergate has been hijacked by looneys.
Show that the 'looneys' are the ones actually setting the pace for GG.
Because every source I've looked at demonstrates that GG, for whatever its flaws, is a wide variety of backgrounds trying to have a serious and civil examination of issues in the face of an 'enemy' that utterly refuses to come to the table.
For instance, you've got Milo offering $10,000. TEN FUCKING THOUSAND dollars, to have a debate with Anita Sarkeesian.
Is Milo a 'loony?' If not, then why is anita, the 'expert' in this field, unwilling to debate the guy for charity?
EVEN CREATIONIST KEN HAM WAS WILLING TO HAVE A DEBATE AND PUT HIS IDEAS UP FOR SCRUTINY, and he's almost the definition of a 'loony.'
Why do your espoused beliefs not seem to correlate with observed reality?
Christ I just hate this board. I wish every discussion that's not about comics or cartoons would just get purged.
/pol/ and SJWs don't even read these comics or watch cartoons, you just come here to sling shit at each other.
Ahh yes, that guy! Really, any claim GG makes about supporting "ethical journalism" is blown apart when they buddy up with him.
Seriously, the guy released a book of 'poetry' which was nothing but plagarized Tori Amos lyrics.
Like it or not, the SJWs are co-related.
And if you don't figure this out soon, you'll just end up wondering what the fuck happened to your hobby, why didn't anybody warn you of the rot creeping in and ruining it?
I am literally just stating the fact here.
>I'd learned to enjoy their works but not care for the creators
Creations are an expression of the creator's mind. A homophobe will create homophobic works, for instance.
But hey, I'm used to tripfags being retards, so don't worry about me, ATeabagGer.
>Original controversy started with a chick named Zoe Quinn. SJW gamer chick who ended up cheating on her husband or boyfriend with five different guys. She tries to lie it off but eventually gets proven. Becomes known as Five Guys Burgers and Fries. Relevant to /v/ because shitstorm and it happened at a GameJam or maybe AGDQ or something, I can't remember
>Turns out a few of the people she slept with were in the games journalism industry, which is notorious for collusion with game devs and just shitty ethics in general. Relevant because Quinn is a dev.
>While /v/ loses it's collective shit and generally lights itself on fire, a withc-hunt begins of searching for unethical actions in the games journalism industry and collusion.
>After a time it's found out that there was only a minor amount of collusion between Quinn and one of the journos she slept with, she used to be in a relationship with him or something I think
>But it started a shitstorm that could no longer be quelled by this revelation
>Quite a bit of collusion is revealed in the industry. SJWs like Brianna "LIterally Who" Wu come out of the woodwork. Anonymous threats flying off from both sides, mostly from GG but many doxxes and shit coming from the SJWs too.
>Literally Who says it got so bad she had to leave her house, although this was a complete bold-faced lie that she later admits she never actually left. Tons of falseflagging on the SJW side of things.
>Eventually the shitstorm settles down and becomes less "Anti-SJW" and more "Unethical Witch Hunt in the Game Dev and Game Journo Industry", though extremist trolls still certainly exist.
>Literally Who and other continue to try and stir up shit to stay relevant
I may have misrepresented some stuff or just been blatantly wrong, I haven't been more than tangentially following GG for awhile.
You know what? Fuck you.
I've been reading comics for 25 years. I've work in a comic shop. I'm a professional comic book writer.
Comics doesn't belong to YOU. It belongs to everyone.
Go eat a bag of dicks.
>A homophobe will create homophobic works, for instance.
Not necessarilly because people don't have one track minds.
Hitler didn't paint pictures of gunships and tanks or burning bodies he painted farms and stuff, people are not defined by a single one of their political opinions and they are also capable of writing from beyond their perspective unless you assume that every writer is as evil as their villain characters.
And yet, you refuse to discuss his actual ideas and revert to guilt by association and strange character assassinations.
Which are fallacious tactics and demonstrate your refusal to discuss the actual issue on the floor.
If Milo is so easy to take down, Anita would easily wipe the floor with him, no? $10k in the bank for charity, just like that.
WHY do you refuse to discuss the actual issue, rather than the people alone?
Is that the best you can do?
It's always been that what way. Comics (like all art) have tackled social issues like economic inequality, corruption, race, gender, etc. since day one. Readers were able to appreciate the artform and discuss the issues without whining and slinging shit and strawmanning and derailing any conversation with personal beliefs
A jilted ex made up a bunch of bullshit about his girlfriend, writes an 8000 word whine saying she fucked a journalist for good reviews. Turns out this was all bullshit, and the 'positive review' turned out to be 'a quick mention in an article written before they even knew each other', but /v/ and /pol/ decided to use it to go after leftists in the videogame industry, and decide to use 'gaming journalism' as a smokescreen.
You forgot the
>game journos write gamers are dead articles all released on the same day
>/v/ loses its collective shit when they realised their illuminati/jews/hypercrisis turned out to be real
Did you read Ender's Game? it has the gayest scene in a book I've ever read
I think OSC has a bit of that self loathing thing going on personally I'm excluding any manta slash fic that I may have been subjected to
>Not necessarilly because people don't have one track minds.
This, separating art from artist is an important thing to do
Last summer, a sketchy indie developer named Zoe Quinn was revealed to have slept with a bunch of game journalists for positive coverage of a text game about Depression that barely even qualified as a game. Additionally, it was discovered that all game journalism websites were part of some newsgroup where they decide how to all report on stuff, i.e. collusion and cronyism and even uncover possible evidence that Indiecade is all one big racketeering scam and Phil Fish flips out again because he's apparently a big part of it and feigns being hacked by "the Head Mod of /V?" and quits vidya again.
/v/ and reddit start confronting the sites just like they started shitposting about Dorito Pope a while back. Instead of addressing these concerns, all the websites just lump it all under sexism and misogyny and declare "GAMERS ARE DEAD" all at the same time and started an unending grease fire.
>Comics doesn't belong to YOU. It belongs to everyone.
When "everyone" decides that things you personally like are no longer acceptable, you will calmly roll over and shut up in the exact way you want people to right now.
>I am literally just stating the fact here.
no, you're being an alarmist.
Comics will never be taken over by one group or another. Some comics may be infected sure, but to say ALL of comics when there's hundreds of current titles with more being made each year to be marred by this is false.
>Like it or not, the SJWs are co-related
Here's how to get rid of them. SHUT UP
Seriously that's it, stop talking about it, stop talking to them. All you're doing is giving them publicity and credence when you acknowledge them.
All you have to do is block them and don't forget, shut the fuck up. The more you and I and the people do this the less power they have.
>Comics doesn't belong to YOU. It belongs to everyone.
I agree, I just wish the SJW brigade could accept the right of works they find offensive to exist
>It belongs to everyone.
And there's a particular group that does not in fact believe this and would see certain groups purged from the industry.
I am not your enemy. I am not excluding anyone. I am simply pointing out a fucking FACT about what is happening.
Tell me, WHICH GROUP through a fit because they didn't like a particular cover of a particular comic book.
Which group was it? And why are you ignoring that fact as if it doesn't exist?
>why what else has he done?
Weekly "everyone at DC is literally hitler because they made __ character too edgy" and "I walked out of Man of Murder because of how much it ruined the best superhero of all time and anyone who didn't do the same is awful" style shittweeting. Basically being a hyperbolic overly-aggressive asshole to anyone he remotely dislikes.
The way he's acting now is no different than how he usually acts. Just replace "gg" with "modern DC" or "anyone who I disagree with."
Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention? The guy doesn't even LIKE videogames, he wrote articles for years insulting gamers and blaming them for school shootings. Yet GG welcome him aboard, just because they're desperate for ANY positive attention.
>I agree, I just wish the SJW brigade could accept the right of works they find offensive to exist
Same reason there exists gay orthodox christians or black klansmen. Not to mention, they make a handy shield against any accusations.
Hence why the thing about the con turned into "accuse them of misoginy, THEY are the real misogynists!" rather than simply owning up to the fact that not following the con rules of conduct was a dick move.
GG is a jumbled fuckfest of trolls trolling trolls, autocontrarian E-peen wankers and sad sacks. But it's no KKK.
People say stupid shit all the time and one thing doesn't automagically make soneone evil. So this is all a bunch of hot air.
>But we must protect our hobby from outsiders
>KEEP THE GATE, MEN!
>People complaining about stuff I like or using their freedom of speech to criticize other free speech is CENSORSHIP
>Companies responding to their preferences is CENSORSHIP, but companies responding to my preferences is just normal functioning of the market!
What's it with GG figure heads being complete disingenuous and opportunistic bastards?
Both Milo and Liana "The Witcher 3 is made of rape" K shat on games and gamers before GG was a thing and now they suddenly changed their tune because it's a niche to fill and profit off of.
And you faggots lap it up and they're heralded as fucking saviors of gaming.
>you will calmly roll over and shut up in the exact way you want people to right now.
We live in the age of the internet, you can not shut people up over a creative idea like a comic.
The comics I and millions of others enjoy will always be around and there will always be more on the way.
>Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention? The guy doesn't even LIKE videogames, he wrote articles for years insulting gamers and blaming them for school shootings.
I dunno, she's wasted all that time with FullMac, she'd be used to it by now
>And there's a particular group that does not in fact believe this and would see certain groups purged from the industry.
What certain groups are being "purged" from the industry?
This is it, basically. If SJW just wanted their own sandbox to play in it would be one thing, but they literally want to eradicate any material they find objectionable.
A slice isn't enough, they want the whole pie. And until they have it, they will continue to portray themselves as the put-upon victims of The Patriarchy.
>Which are fallacious tactics and demonstrate your refusal to discuss the actual issue on the floor.
Welcome to SJWs. It's hilarious that Anita hasn't a single debate with anyone. Even when she went on Colbert and he clearly supported her, he still made her look like a clueless idiot with a couple of softball questions. She knows her "arguments" would completely fall apart in a matter of seconds, which is why she labels all her critics as sexists and misogynists.
I mean why have an actual intelligent discourse with your opponents when you can just call them names or claim they're like the KKK?
In the interest of being objective it would be dishonest to say that a small but vocally retarded group of /b/ and /v/ edgelords weren't most likely sending rape threats and being dipshits.
As always SJWs were given the excuse that they need to avoid addressing any criticism by autists going too far.
>Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention?
You just described Anita. Except she got into this thing for money AND attention. And you don't need to like video games to know Anita is a lying sack of shit.
Well I also want a hot german wife and to won a chocolate factory and for people on this site to stop talking about tumblr. Doesn't mean any of it has or will happened.
You can want all you want, but those same SJW/tumblr complainers are also limp wristed key board warriors with zero pull in the industry and zero will to actually put work in to even dip their toes in.
They can scream and cry all they want and it won't matter.
> THESE TWO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE SAME INDUSTRY AND LIVE IN THE SAME CITY KNOW EACH OTHER! THIS IS CLEARLY A CONSPIRACY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW FRIENDSHIPS OR CAREERS WORK
>Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention?
Why the Hell would Bill Nye waste time with a fringe maniac who is clearly just got into this thing for attention?
Because its a good way to win the war of IDEAS in the eye of the public? Because you can get $10,000 for charity for relatively little work? Because that's what you do when you truly believe your ideas are superior?
> The guy doesn't even LIKE videogames, he wrote articles for years insulting gamers and blaming them for school shootings.
If this is relevant, then so is this:
Anita doesn't even LIKE video games either. OH NOES THIS MEANS SHE IS A LOONY. SHE'S WRITING THAT VIDEO GAMES CAUSE SEXISM... which has just as much as much backing as the latter claim. As in zilch.
If Milo's a loony for blaming violence on video games, why isn't Anita a loony for doing the same with sexism? What's the qualitative difference?
Anita has literally refused to debate ANYONE on this issue.
If this doesn't indicate fear of putting her ideas up to scrutiny, then what DOES it indicate?
>Wasting her time
He just offered $10,000 to do it. If he's such a maniac, surely she can just shut him down for 30mins and get a solid 10K for "muh feminism" for her trouble?
The truth is Anita isn't worth shit without Jonathan Mcintosh whispering what to say in her ear
Anita is a parrot, a puppet
Goddamn, where the fuck is the janitor?
Anyways, have some OC of /co/ being complacent while SJWs fuck over their industry.
Doesn't the fact that someone who campaigned a war across a continent, advocated ethnical cleansing and was a grade A nationalist painted idyllic pastoral depictions kind of work together though?
Hitler was a human. People are human. Humans make art for other humans and about other humans.
>If this is relevant, then so is this
Of course it's relevant but it's just excused because you've got Liana K and Milo doing it, their past is just let slide and played off as a "mistake" because they pander to GG same as Anita panders to SJW's.
I didn't agree that the Batgirl cover was bad. I thought it was great.
However, I don't understand why people exercising their freedom of speech to criticize what a company does is bad.
I don't understand why a company responding to that criticism and deciding it is more in their interest to change their product is bad.
Remember the time GG gave a fuckload of money to a pair of clowns who wanted to release a bunch of anti-Anita videos that literally interviewed Jack Thompson offering his support for them? Which they then cancelled, taking the money with them?
You guys kinda lost any right to complain about Anita being 'anti-game' and 'running a scam' after that.
>However, I don't understand why people exercising their freedom of speech to criticize what a company does is bad.
How is it any different from people criticizing the call to change the cover? Free speech all around
Guys, it's OK, you can disagree with someone on a political point and still be friends.
One of the closest friendships I know of is between a right-wing libertarian and a communist. True friends don't let politics get in the way.
Literally anyone who will not cowtow to the feminist narrative.
Its not like they're hiding this. At all.
That's another creator I will never be able to buy every again because of bullshit oppression olympics politics. I'm getting off the big two train and going back 80's mecha and a few trades of older runs.
>He said GamerGate, of which many women are a part of, hates women and are similar to the KKK. You are actually defending this.
I can not blame most people for thinking this or at least thinking this when they are first presented with a brief rundown of what happened witth GG. The notion behind it was of good intentions but when half of the people that are pro GG are tweeting things like
>YO BITCH! IT'S NOT ABOUT HATING WOMEN, YOU CUNT. IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN JOURNALISM, WHORE
It's hard to look at that and say "you know what, they don't really hate women. Let's fix video games, guys."
like I said, awful people being awful to other awful people. It's a shit storm. It doesn't matter if one person was worse than the other, every person actively involved was a bowl of turds.
And zoe didn't get away with it either, she made a post on cracked a while ago and the comments were filled with people calling her out on her bullshit and I doubt that was or will be the only place.
>the feminist narrative.
>Someone ironically says "I want to have your babies"
>Stock phrase that fangirls have said for years gender reversed by fanboy towards female artist
>Should be completely innocuous at best and simply ignored at worst
>Instead go on a enormous rant about how comment was "Sexist" and all sorts of other shit
>Basically outed yourself as not only lacking in any sort of humor (ironic considering your job as a cartoonist) but also as a preachy sort looking for any possible chance to soapbox
>Surprised when people start getting tired of hearing you make a mountain out of a molehill
Sounds like GG is the one who got scammed. But it's cute you think that somehow excuses Anita's super villainy. She literally lies to get money. Whenever she's running low on funds or needs a boost she fakes a death threat to herself.
>/pol/ and SJWs don't even read these comics or watch cartoons, you just come here to sling shit at each other.
I don't think you get it. Comics and video games are both popular and flexible to change, unlike Hollywood. People come in calling mysoggynee to get books fundamentally changed. It's not about the quality of books, it's about identify politics.
>He's clearly a tumblr supporter.
Never been to tumblr in my life besides a small handful of porn blogs. But sure, whatever helps you sleep better at night.
>anyone that disagrees with me is tumblr!
Christ you people are pathetic. You can't even fathom that there might be people out there that find you to be annoying little shits without also being "the enemy."
Look, people got up and arms over it. That got the artist's attention, and he asked for it to be pulled because he didn't intend to offend anyone. DC said ok.
I don't see what the fucking problem is. Everyone was in agreement about the distastefulness about it except entitled internet whiners.
>You claimed that not everyone on a website of 30-50 million users is exactly the same! You've shown your cards!
I just love this GG narrative. You have literally no proof Anita faked any of the threats. None. And you have that fat fuck TotalBiscuit saying they can't be real threats "because she's still breathing". Is that the line you guys are still going with?
Because you're accusing ONE group of trying to be exclusive of others...
While this other group is actively attacking artists for their work and yet gets a pass.
IF you think the people who wanted this cover removed are okay, then I do not see a single way that you can think the people who tried to oppose them are bad.
I don't like how this has basically become a case where everyone on either side has been tarred with the same brush.
I guess I'd say I'm on the 'side' of GamerGate, but at the same time I think that there needs to be more actual discussion between the two 'sides' (if you can even call them that) and less 'SJW!'/'MISOGYNIST!' witch hunting.
You realize most Gamergaters actually are women, right?
You realize that Gamergate is basically a group of people who think fake-journalism sites like Kotaku that are SJW trash and need to go in the bin instead of being held up as the truth in pop culture?
That the anti-GG people are just insane morons like that chick who wrecked Might Number 9 through her lying and shit opinions who hate being called out on their bullshit?
All the "doxxing" and death-threats is just people getting WAY too passionate about their argument?
>but when half of the people that are pro GG are tweeting things like
Yea this is bullshit. It's only a small minority of GG supporters who post that shit. Not to mention it's fucking retarded to judge a movement by what the few do when on the other side it's damn near everyone saying even worst shit. I mean you're actually defending Waid calling them the KKK and saying women should be silenced for not following HIS political beliefs.
>didn't bother changing the filename.
You'll have to do better next time.
again it's awful people being awful to other awful people, I'm not making anybody out to be a good person. I'd push every one of them into a volcano if I could.
Zoe is a shitty person, there is zero doubt about that, but also releasing a public witch hunt is also a really shitty thing to do whether the person deserves it or not.
Anon, slow down there. I don't like Social Justice Warriors but at the same time tumblr is a fucking huge website. You can find basically anything on there. Is a large percentage of the userbase into social justice, often in a way that isn't helpful to anyone? Yes, definitely, but you can't tar the entire site with the same brush.
> VIDEOGAMERS LITERALLY CAUSE MURDER AND DEATH, GAMERS ARE LOSERS WITH YELLOW-STAINED UNDERWEAR
Aww, he didn't mean it, Milo is a good guy really!
> "I'm not a gamer..."
FUCKING EVIL BITCH FUCK FUCK FUCK REEEEEEEEEEEEE
They're one and the same, but GG lets it slide for Milo because he panders to them >>71432315 Might as well throw this fake cunt in too.
>> THESE TWO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE SAME INDUSTRY AND LIVE IN THE SAME CITY KNOW EACH OTHER! THIS IS CLEARLY A CONSPIRACY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW FRIENDSHIPS OR CAREERS WORK
He's in the credits and they admitted to being in a relationship prior to the articles being written.
Compare the entire history of Islam and all the people who have ever been Muslim to the amount of extremists there have been. That ratio would surely show that extremists are a small minority.
Compare the short existence of GamerGate to all the harassment that has occurred in that short time span.
But of course, it's always "fringe loonies who don't represent us." Anything anyone does ever can be dismissed as "no true Gator" in order to preserve the legitimacy of the movement.
Gawker lost like seven figures of income and ad revenue continues to decline
Escapist revised their ethics policies and got some new writers
People like Moviebob and Leigh Alexander got fired.
and the talk bomb threat which she cancelled and kept the money that was investigated and found not to be a threat
and the Brazilian journalist she refused to report to the police
> Mike Cernovich
HOLY SHIT, THE 'LAWYER' WHO HAS NEVER WON A CASE IN COURT, AND HAD A TWITTER RANT ABOUT HOW HIS CUM IS A MAGIC POTION, AND THAT WANKING IS A TOOL OF COMMUNISTS
This is who you're allied to, GamerGate. These are the people you look up to. Look at yourselves.
They certainly didn't ask for money from their 'supporters' directly.
I mean, who exactly is being harmed by them using this message for attention... IF THE MESSAGE IS TRUE?
>And you have that fat fuck TotalBiscuit saying they can't be real threats "because she's still breathing". Is that the line you guys are still going with?
I don't know. Is it, Straw Man? Is there 100% definitive evidence that Anita either sent herself death threats or had someone send them to her? No, there isn't. But the evidence that does exist VERY FUCKING STRONGLY suggests she certainly did one or the other. I'd also note that not a single person has been arrested for threatening Anita either, which is quite odd in this day and age.
Don't forget our catalyst/all round nice guy
Ben Kuchera got "tired of video games" and stopped reporting on them and now writes about comics(I think I haven't fact checked this, sorry)
And yet whatever Anita says, you'd call her a 'lying, scamming bitch'.
Milo panders to you to aid his failing career (DON'T FORGET TO BUY HIS BOOK ON GAMERGATE GUYS) and you lap it up.
And changing the variant didn't harm anyone other. A company has the right to decide to not release or fix a work after it was release. We can criticize that decision, but it is still our's and their's right.
There was a guy who was brought in by the FBI because of a believed threat but he claims it's an impersonator
"Daniel Sulzbach, also known as MrRepzion, claims to have been visited by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) because of an alleged "conference threat" he supposedly sent to Anita Sarkeesian. Sulzbach says it was an impersonator;"
don't be straw manning here.
There is a very big difference to dealing with it offline vs starting an internet witch hunt.
If he was literally trapped in the relationship where his life was in real danger I would understand. But this was a girlfriend that cheated on him for good game reviews.
Pandering to GG got Liana a cozy position at The Escapist when months before gg even was a thing she shat on The Witcher 3 for being made of rape, she has absolutely zero history with games prior to that.
It's all let slide just like how SJW's let everything fishy about Anita slide because they're the ones being pandered to.
>They're one and the same, but GG lets it slide for Milo because he panders to them
Perhaps it's because Milo is not currently in the wrong?
Also keep in mind that even when Milo was shitting on gamers he was not trying to change games to suit his tastes he was content to simply mock gamers and continue with his life, whereas Anita (or more accurately Mcintosh) purposely goes out of their way to destroy the game industry and twist it into something that suits them more even though they have no intent on playing the games that come from this change.
Milo is the type of bully that mocks your sandcastle
Anita/Mcintosh is the kind of bully that kicks it over and then mocks you.
But I don't even like social justice warriors, anon. I'm just saying that complete generalisations are a retarded idea. Like judging all men from one guy that stole your wallet, or judging all women because your ex was a bitch.
Jeez, you're paranoid.
It was a girlfriend who cheated on him for "positive game mentions in an article" and when he described the way Zoe was treating him to a 3rd party, said third party insisted he post about it as it was abuse,
Don't forget she also tried to get TFYC shut down and removed from the internet
Oh please. More books for some people does not mean less books for you unless you wanted all the books. Even triple more if you include all of world comics and all of comics history.
I see no awesome webcomics for real men posts or whatever on /co. Why isn't there? Where is MAN-ga posts? Where are the Hot Babe-alicious Indie Comic posts?
If you like something then talk -the-fuck- about it. Stop buying into the "shill" or "something-fag" or "attentionwhore" newspeak.
If you see people getting some attention they hadn't before that doesn't mean the attention to you goes away. It just means that you cannot sit on your ass and expect to be serviced by everything.
>all these fake replies ITT
Holy shit you cucks, why are you so desperate to surpress GG? Are SJWs so deep in your hobby now that you can't bad-mouth them without risk of them turning all your favorite characters into transgender mudskins?
No wonder nobody respects /co/ anymore
Literally /v/ 2.0
>This is who you're allied to, GamerGate
What leads you to believe they're "allies?"
And have you taken a LOOK at the people that the other side has openly and gleefully allied with?
I never intended my post to be defending his dumb ass tweets. Just that it's easy to see why people are so easy to believe the misogynistic side story of gamer gate instead of the full story because of biased people informing them. The people who keep bringing up GG are usually people who want another GG. What Waid said was dumb as fuck. I don't even like Waid or his comics, I'm just saying man, even if it wasn't half and just a vocal minority, that's enough to piss off a large amount of people and lump up the alright dudes with the shitheads. It's not right, but I can't blame him and I hope the people on twitter can get him to look at it from a different angle to analyze the more convoluted shit that happened in Gamergate and what's happening in the comics community right now.
>the Calgary Expo actually called the police on the Honey Badger brigade for holding picnic in a public park AFTER they were booted from the expo
>scaring women out of their homes
>brianna wu admitted to lying
>zoe quinn and anita were proven to be lying about that
>anita hired bodyguards to go to cons with her to support her facade after the FBI pointed out she was not actually in danger
>Thread that was about Waid's Twitter on GG, already barely related to /co/, turns into a thread about Literally Who and Anita and GG and the SJW boogyman and M-MAH HOBBY as it's hijacked by GG supporters.
This why no fucking likes GG. This is why you were banned off of 4chan. I'm glad at least people on /co/ are resisting this shit.
Well as long as we're out in the open about paid shilling on the internet...
HE'S A JANITOR
ON AN COMIC IMAGEBOARD
HE LETS BAIT THREADS AND POL SHIT FUCK UP THE BOARD
HE WASTES TIME DELETING POSTS AND REPORTING ANONS FOR MINOR IRRELEVANT SHIT INSTEAD OF BEING FUCKING USEFUL
HE IS LITERALLY ALLOWING CANCER TO KILL THE BOARD AND MAKE EVERYONE HATE IT MORE
HE LIVES IN NEW YORK, HE'S 24 AND NEVER GOTTEN LAID, AND HE'S PROBABLY A JEWISH RATBAG WHO HAS ONLY KNOWN MOOT FOR 5 MONTHS
SJWs and their doppelgangers on the other side of the coin are nothing but a bunch armchair activists comprised of either...
A) upper middle-class children who know nothing about the world outside their bubble
B) sexually repressed/frustrated adults who never grew up
You really have nothing, don't you?
Can we just cut out the journalist side completely?
Stop logging onto the websites and then just start buying whatever games we think is good via demo or just taking a chance and spread its quality via word of mouth?
Here's the entire extended Waid anti-GG tirade, wherein he compares them to the KKK, Nazis, Westboro Baptist Church, a cult, calls their dicks small, and (afaict erroneously) accuses them of poor spelling)
PART 1 OF 2
Yes. This thread was shit as soon as OP was posted, and it's turn into a human centipede of shit. The thread was started to simply inflammatory so GGers could circle-jerk while anti-GGers entered the circle-jerk to stop the circle-jerk instead only widening the circle-jerk.
>but I can't blame him
Why not? You seem to view him as an almost innocent victim in all of this who has been brainwashed to believe all these lies. What makes you think he's not a full blown SJW who honestly believes all this bullshit? Everything he has said so far is something your average, crazy SJW would say.
I mean he's actually fucking defending Anita, Wu and Quinn. Wu has been proven a liar and Quinn has been proven to be just an awful awful person while Anita simply says things that are completely untrue. He supports these monsters.
>You realize that Gamergate is basically a group of people who think fake-journalism sites like Kotaku that are SJW trash and need to go in the bin instead of being held up as the truth in pop culture?
Who the fuck could possibly care about this?
OMG some gaming sites don't adhere to good journalistic standards!! Does the President know about this?? Something must be done immediately!
I would say that this wasn't the argument. But since that wasn't clear, and I see your point in that.
It's close to the ol' the first who mentions Nazis looses rule of the internet. Which means that we're all idiots in the first place for even being in this thread at all, which doesn't matter much compared to the heat death of the universe anyway.
Gamergate is basically a group of people who think fake-journalism sites like Kotaku that are SJW trash and need to go in the bin instead of being held up as the truth in pop culture
Gamergate. Fighting for a goal only they care about
>mainstream companies are paid to give positive reviews to a game, even if it's garbage
>hundreds of thousands of more casual gamers read them
>buy the shitty games, unaware of the actual quality of the game
>those games are seen as the good games people want
>more of those mediocre games are made, instead of actually good games who couldn't pay for positive reviews
yeah, I'm not seeing any problems here--GO BUY CALL OF DUTY 45 TODAY!
Every time they try to make it about the shortcomings of the *people* in the movement and not about the FAILINGS OF A WHOLE INDUSTRY largely due to a particular ideology, I remember why I even pay attention to this.
Every human being has flaws that can be paraded out to their detriment. Every. One. Media outlets that exploit this fact to try and assassinate individuals they dislike are despicable.
Those who insist that we have to wait until the perfect, pure, untouched representative comes along before we can ACTUALLY have a discussion are the ones who are dishonestly trying to stifle debate.
Discuss the ideas and ignore the people until and unless those people are actually relevant to the ideas.
If you can't do that, then just shut up. Fuck Saul Alinksy for justifying and glorifying tactics that willfully avoid the truth.
When was the last time GG had any large scale movement against triple A's? Its all eceleb dramas and SJW indie devs
>mainstream companies are paid to give positive reviews to a game, even if it's garbage
>A) upper middle-class children who know nothing about the world outside their bubble
>B) sexually repressed/frustrated adults who never grew up
The irony is, this is how they see the far-right wingers here.
mfw none of this really matters
It doesn't matter if your're pro or anti sjw. These internet arguments are just tears in the rain.
All I know is that it'll all be over whenever one side or the other makes a movie about it. And I'm not talking some kind of documentary; I'm talking a full three-act structure straight out of Syd Field's pissbox.
>it's been going against the journalists promoting this shit
Seems like they should spare a moment for the companies actually shelling out the companies. And if you go on otherchan or KIA now, the vast majority of threads are about SJW articles
Again, who the fuck cares? They're games. It's not like those Chinese companies who were making "baby formula" that had no nutritional value. Call me when there are dead babies involved in this "scandal".
>who the fuck cares? They're games.
>Let's go back to discussing comics, an even more valueless medium
>mfw this words has completely lost all of it's meaning and it's become a 9fag retard word like "hype"
I mean, when the biggest autist in the world, Waid, gets called "based"....
>There is a very big difference to dealing with it offline vs starting an internet witch hunt.
It's funny that the SJWs were saying just the opposite on here when Yale Stewart's ex-girlfriend decided to text a private picture to all her friends as a joke, who then started a witch hunt saying he was clearly a sexist pervert spreading pictures of his genitals around to women his ex was friends with. Funnily, they had no proof and repeatedly claimed it was "unfair" and "triggering" to expect proof of such serious accusations. Nevermind that the picture in question was over two years old at the time.
He said Gamergate is the equivalent of the KKK, WBC, etc. all because of an incident where a group of pro-GamerGate people were kicked out of the Calgary Expo con because they had "disrupted a panel for women in comics".
The audio came out of that panel and they didn't actually disrupt anything and were actually invited/given permission to ask questions. The con kicked them out after a twitter backlash and wouldn't tell them why until they turned off their recording equipment, then changed the story afterwards to "they registered under false pretenses" based on a Mary Sue article where they intentionally misread a sarcastic description of themselves on their website.
The next day they were hanging out in a park and con security called the cops on them because they were afraid they would "try to sneak back in".
Waid has been acting like a faggot and calling for a boycot/blacklist from creators of any con that allows a GG presence while swallowing up the Mary Sue/CA narrative of evil misogynerds who are on the same level of digust and danger as the Klan.
>Let's go back to discussing comics, an even more valueless medium
Discussing games = fun
Discussing comics = fun
Getting into a frothing rage about "cheating" in reviews of pop-culture ephemera != fun
If it came out that Alex Hirsch was trading BJs in return for good reviews of Gravity Falls, I would just feel sorry for the guy and move on. I wouldn't try to start a movement to correct this infinitesimal "problem".
>come into thread to troll
>thread is already so far gone that even my most inflammatory trolling will be indistinguishable from the shit already being spewed
Oh well. Guess I'll just make femThor thread.
So... The FBI's plan is what exactly? Something something SJW state? It's just a load of buzzwords thrown into the most vague, incoherent, incomprehensible shit I've ever read. Also, what kind of dumb fuck gets co-opted by the FBI for a covert disinformation program, and then is stupid enough to declare this on one of the websites allegedly being monitored, with plenty of information provided in the aforementioned diatribe to ascertain their identity?
the minute we were willing to admit that comics and games were a little misogynist, the fucking dams have burst and there's a never ending outcry of tearful mellow drama and butthurt whiny baby babble from the SJW cucks, white knights and miserable exploitative feminazi professional victims. I regret that we ever gave them an inch to open up this discussion with. Because now they've already taken a mile and we're never going to see the end of it.
Now the world's mission is to make sure these special snowflakes don't drop into a triggered induced coma of PTSD and unwarranted self-importance, so they're going to keep surging with this outcry, and keep asking for censorship. It's fucking bollocks.
Why should mediums I love be altered and to cater to a demo of people who don't even like it. It's 'STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE' taken to the nth degree.
I genuinely fear that this is the dawning of the new comics code authority. That now they'll be a code of ethical guidelines to follow and subjects that can't be discussed. Scenes of a sexualised nature censored, subject matter altered to represent more women and ethnicities in stronger roles. I know pieces of shit like Waid would openly welcome a new SJW run comics code authority, and he's a traitor to his fans and industries for doing so.
>Holy shit you cucks, why are you so desperate to surpress GG?
No one here is trying to fucking suppress GG. We seriously don't want to get involved with that shit. It's all cancerous and it ruins discussion and brings the worst out of people. I fucking hate the SJW, but so far in comics they're not an issue. Let them take to twitter and talk shit all they won't, 9/10 no one is even listening.
If creators are going to change our favorite characters, they will because they're in charge. If we don't like it, we just won't support their content. It's as simple as that.
I just have one thing to ask:
What the fuck would superman do if he was dragged into this situation?
if superman were told to stop being an all powerful white male super being, he'd probably just shrug it off by saying, first I'm not even a human, second my race is kryptonian not caucasian and third of all I have a duty to do what's right that outweighs your petty complaining.
>so far in comics they're not an issue.
Why do SJWs pretend they aren't SJWs in order to make claims this transparently stupid?
He would have bitch slapped Waid and told the chucklefucks at the expo that it's wrong to silence people because you disagree with them. Especially when those people weren't saying anything inflammatory.
>What the fuck would superman do if he was dragged into this situation?
Seeing as Superman is a normal person, a normalfag if you must, he wouldn't even care. He'd never see the online complaining because he'd be too busy living his life like a normal person.
Like it should be.
then you clearly haven't fucking read any super-man. That's literally one of the main themes of the book. Blurring the lines between the super hero he was born to be and the man he hides himself in
>Why do SJWs pretend they aren't SJWs in order to make claims this transparently stupid?
C'mon now. Out of all the comics I read this year, few of them have been infected with the SJW bullshit. Yea their artist and writers are SJWs, but they haven't felt the need to implement their cancer into the comics. That's not to say ALL comics aren't effected, i'm just saying it's not near as many as you guys are making it out to be.
4Chan only hates /pol/ because it is at the very extreme of reactionary right-wingism.
The rest of 4Chan is just somewhat less right wing. Pretty much, all of 4Chan is /pol/, except only on /pol/ do you get away with calling black people monkeys and thinking the Jews control the world.
Well, /lit/ at least has some political diversity. That's why I make stealth political threads there that I wouldn't want to discuss with /pol/. I mean, since it's about literature, and there is literature on politics, I usually get away with it.
I always knew he was an unoriginal hack!
He called for blacklisting people from conventions for having different opinions than his.
He also compared the people he disagrees with to the KKK.
So, there are those two differences.
>Anita, Brianna and Zoe
Three rich white women having their feet licked by legions of pussywhipped white boys. Why the fuck are those three retards in particular so important regarding "harassment?"
Lol, the "/co/mblr" meme just shows how sensitive the gate keepers are. Even the smallest amount of people who don't agree with them on "their site" proves that they've "infiltrated" us and control the entire webpage.
It doesn't matter that they are the minority on these boards, the fact that they exist at all and are allowed to have opinions is conclusive proof that this place is now /co/mblr. AND WE MUST MOBILIZE TO TAKE BACK OUR HOBBY
/pol/ is spreading more and more everyday. I'd be lying if I said it didn't worry me. It seems as if the /pol/ users won't hesitate to announce themselves and their ideology in a thread, which is the main concern.
As a minority, i've pretty much have had to stop browsing certain boards because I just couldn't take the blatant hatred. It's a me problem though and I probably should grow thicker skin, but it almost seems like we can't discuss anything anymore without some /pol/lack announcing himself. On /tv/ and /v/ alike. /co/ is the only place really /pol/ lite that we can freely discuss hobbies and shit.
>Have you gotten death threats yet?
>Hang on, this new video you put up has over two hundred thousand views, you have gotten death threats!
This is what total biscuit said to one of the male guests on the co-optional podcast who did lets plays. Being a woman who stands for or against something is not what gets you doxed and threatened. Being a person in the spotlight is what does it.
I got some badddddd news for you...
I just filter it mentally. Let the insane in the insane asylum do their thing.
I will say this: It does piss me off that this shit spills to facebook and twitter and i'm like "for god sakes... YOU HAVE PICTURES OF YOUR KIDS AND FAMILY! and here you are! like a fucking 'tard being like '9/11 is an inside job! the kikes run everything!' ". Seriously, how do those people sleep at night..
You know I'd complain about politics being wrapped up in cartoons and comics, but lets be real, there has ALWAYS been politics in these mediums even if they aren't this explicit.
Social Justice and...I dunno what the right is called here, GG/the Man-O-Sphere/Conservatives? Is just the Dems and GOP shitflinging contest again but on the Internet. Does it really gotta be like this?
I don't see that. I see that neoliberal free market post-equality attitude that chastises anyone who points out existing social constraints or social outcomes of groups because it's bad to point out groups exist because everyone is equal and the same. That sort of libertarian ideology that sounds progressive and neutral, but only really preserves existing power relations.
The ironic thing is that it extols the virtue of the market, and defends any product it likes with "well, there's demand for it, so that's just how capitalism works." But then when the market doesn't go their way (products being pulled because SJWs complain about them), all of the sudden, that's not the market responding to preferences, that's evil censorship. If the wrong groups use the rules to their advantage, then it doesn't count as following the rules, its something subversive.
I don't care for the SJWs, either. Everything is about "identity," and crafting some unique identity for oneself by creating a whole bunch of adjectives to describe the union of every special group they belong to, the sole member of that special set being that one special snowflake, the asexual genderbending latino womyn whatever. It's all about posturing showing how much more sensitive and aware of different identities and challenges than the next person, all without actually ever doing anything. And it promotes this sort of pomo relativism that reality is dependent on the observer, so what one says should be judged by who that person is (standpoint theory and all that shit).
eh, /pol/ is mostly harmless. I don't mind. I get a chuckle out jewbashing secretly, but not something I'd outright announce on facebook where your family and co-workers can see what your doing.
I believe in free speech, but also when and how to use it. Sometimes you just got to call a jew "Kike". Like Haim Saban. Fucking Kike.
and thats my issue as well: too many people are pro and against GG that when I say "I don't fucking care about it", they throw a hissy fit and demand I take a side and/or call me a tool to the other side.
I Live by the beleif of "What would (X) Do in this situation?", like in >>71434332 example. Fictional yes, but fuck, the world has bigger problems and I have my own individual issues that I care not to divulge that i'm doing something to improve, yet, these fucking chuckleheads think taking sides in a war with no purpose is the way to go. I got shit to do. Self improving shit to do, you can go dig that trench yourself while I go and be a better person.
Lol. This is another tenet of market fundamentalism. The only freedom that matters is the freedom of financial transactions. Only money is speech.
Other forms of expression are illegitimate. It is bad to protest. It is bad to complain. Many people voicing their opposition to a product is "bullying." Even if the company willingly pulled their product in light of the backlash, and didn't receive any coercive threats (and who DID receive coercive threats in that episode?)
However, it's cool to complain and bellyache again when the right people are doing it. Like now.
>it's just like, whoa man, both are equally wrong
>South Park always said that, and I think those South Park guise are smart anyways. At least they're rich, right?
>Whoa man, let's not get hasty and have an opinion about an issue. That might actually mean being something other than a worthless sack of shit
I respect Nazis. At least they have an ethos beyond your moral relativism "Hurr, whatever is in the middle is right" South Park lolbertarianism.
Anon, you got to realize that this whole debacle in the grand scheme of this doesn't really matter. At the end of the day life goes on.
This response might not be one you're looking for. But if you really feel strongly about the issues go ahead and make yourself heard regardless of what side you land on.
But I sometimes wonder how much free time people have to be discussing about this and deal with other stuff going on in life.
Yeah, I get annoyed with having to put up with all that right-wing reactionary bullshit. I mean, I come to 4Chan because the age of the internet forum is pretty much dead, and this is one of the few places with good traffic, a range of topics to discuss, and anonymity. Message boards are dying and becoming small communities of people who know each other, and everything else is fucking Twitter or Facebook widgets.
Just as kind of a reminder about the MN9 shit too: Dina wasn't JUST a community manager. She designed one of the bosses and worked directly in Comcept's Osaka HQ. She also controlled ALL of MN9's social media, etc. accounts, both English and Japanese, as well as their emails so everything was filtered through her.
She'd hunt down critics on Facebook in the like, see if they engaged in wrongthink, and promptly ban them from the MN9 forums.
>you got to realize that this whole debacle in the grand scheme of this doesn't really matter
In the grand scheme of things, very few things actually matter
>But I sometimes wonder how much free time people have to be discussing about this and deal with other stuff going on in life.
You seem to find time to tell people you dont care about this, I manage as well
The thing is, not choosing a side doesn't make you "vastly superior" in anyway, I acknowledge this, i'm just playing it safe and staying out of the drama. I see people in my life who've "picked sides" and they're not fun to be around nor do they seem like they're having fun.
Also, you're failing to address that maybe some people don't care, can't embrace the either truths each sides have to offer, or are confused about each truth to pick a side.