May I ask a question?
Some anon says you don't discuss about anime here /e/.
How come you don't do in /e/?
Eh, there are threads asking for recommendations occasionally, but mostly if we are having discussions here, we are discussing porn. What kind of porn we like, why we like it, that sort of thing.
There are some threads for writefagging and quests too, though they don't seem to be popular.
Requests go in /r/ unless OP makes with the content. As the sticky says, at least 6 images to not be considered an /r/ thread, and generally more if one wants to actually have the request answered.
We also tend to be kind of dicks about source requests, as 9 times out of 10, you can just hit the image search button built into 4chan interface and get a source instantly.
Requests not really
If I have questions, personally I try to find out myself with tools I have access to, which help identify where images are from.
Pretty much, yeah. People go to /r/ with their leech requests, and then largely do not answer the requests of others. But if we didn't have /r/ to contain that bullshit, every board would be flooded with it.
So really, we have /r/ for the same reason we have /mlp/ and /pol/.
Because reverse image search is faster and generally incapable of being a dick about it. Personally, I do the quick search any time I think of answering a question, and if it gives me the answer they should have gotten, I tell them to piss off.
If people can't be bothered to do 10 seconds worth of research, they don't deserve civil answers.
It's only when the internet can't find a source when you ask.
It's faster to do a query than it is to rely on fellow anons.
Plus the booru gives instant access to (if image is tagged appropriately) images with the same characters / series
Now, I recognize that the quick search doesn't always give a result. If I know what the answer is, and a quick search gives something like pic related, it's reasonable to give a straight answer because they've probably tried the easy research.
I think that people had, and still have somewhat, the impression that if you tried to have a discussion thread on /e/ you would get banned. But that's definitely not true. Same goes for /h/.
Well, if you wanna see what discussion looks like around here... we do have a couple of general threads.
There's usually more chatter than pics in those, and they serve a purpose without bothering most people.
And then on the other side, we have saints like this guy, who just dump a steady stream of quality images.
Slower boards like the porn boards tend to be image-focused as discussion isn't as captivating when there are so few people to respond. There's little incentive to respond quickly because the thread isn't going anywhere. Of course, not every slow board is a porn board or suffers from lack of quality discussion.
There's nothing stopping anyone here from posting more thoughtful, text-based posts about the thread topic, but the focus has always been on pictures. If you want to discuss characters or series in more depth, you should stick to >>>/a/ or possibly >>>/jp/
/e/ is slow. it's simply not good for discussions. a fast discussion thread would quickly hit the image limit and then not get pruned for days. if people make a new one while the old one hasn't fallen off the board then it would take up too much space.
It's just a large mismatch in speed between dump boards and discussion boards.
On some boards, you can be banned for a discussion-only thread. I haven't seen it happen on /e/. It isn't really a problem here. But anyway, it's good to have plenty of pictures in a thread and doesn't really get in the way of discussion.
Discussion of ecchi can be on /e/ but the main purpose is only to enjoy cute things.
I don't see why we can't. I remember we discussed manyuu hikenchou way back when it was currently airing. I don't see why we can't discuss currently airing ecchi anime. Valkyrie Drive doesn't really work because there's too much yuri but anything else should be fine.
1. /e/ is mostly for porndumps without men
2. /e/ is way too slow
3. You shouldn't have to jump board to board to figure out where your anime is allowed to be talked about on. Special case exceptions are bullshit.
I don't think a the "primary purpose" is relevant. Discussions of ecchi are allwowed. The board is
If it's an ecchi anime, it can be discussed on the ecchi board.
I'm not saying all discussion about it on 4chan should moved to /e/, I'm saying it can occur here regardless of the nature of /e/.
The issue is that we should be allowed to discuss it on /a/ without a mod having to babysit the thread because we want to talk about an ecchi series, which will of course involve posting images from it. I don't know how /e/ works, but it's a huge pain in the ass to have to seclude yourself to slower boards because if X reason.
Yeah, but mostly of the images posted here are taken from others websites, and these other websites organize photos by artist, series, character name, and etc.
So if you can find the image in another website you can find many other similar stuff.
Take for example Danbooru, one of the sites iqdb normally redirects.
Here you can see the series, the character name and the artist and can find similar images with one single click, get it?
Also, if we all said the source of the image all the time, the threads would be 2/3 of people asking and giving the source.
it works most of the time. there are also other things
>google image search
>archives for various boards that can show old posts with the same images and discussion about the image
It's easy to find the source for many things. Only when all that fails you should ask a human, because you're otherwise always dependent on another person spoonfeeding you.
Adults should feed themselves.
Hiroyuki, I participated in the discussion on /aa/ but do not want to bring the discussion to another board.
Do you accept emails? Do you visit IRC channels? Is it possible to discuss features with you? Earlier this day you said that you wanted a middleman for matters, maybe you need a different channel to talk?
It's better to talk over things this way instead of relying on vague one-line posts people post.
While I'm normally against dividing up boards, /r/ might be one of the few that would benifit from it, especially with how it's designed and for the most part, it's a giant crap shot to get an answer.
For the most part when it comes to anime and manga images, you should be able to find them using IGDB.org (a Multi-service image search) or reverse image search from google, or archives (I still think they're a mistake, but they are useful for this.). However there will images that fall through the cracks or get cropped by someone else so those programs can not identify where it is from.
So do you just throw yourselves to the wolves of /r/ which is mainly for 3D requests and they only answer the more obvious ones?
A good idea might be just to make a specific thread for requests, but make sure that anyone who makes requests follows VERY SPECIFIC guidelines and a flow chart before posting there.
Eh, I'm just babbling, but a lot of fine tuning needs to be done to get things semi functional. Especially with how retarded the last few generation of posters have been.
Read the sticky:
/e/cchi is for:
- Pictures of animu girls featuring either sexy clothing or nudity without sex.
- Masturbation and suggestive touching pictures are allowed as long as it's one girl doing it to herself without use of toys.
What part of discuss anime falls in those two permitted options?
I agree with you.
/r/ could be a really neat board but it's so filled with porn it just doesn't work.
A SFW /r/ could be good, but it still wouldn't solve this problem of getting sauce on H-manga and doujin.
It really needs some change.
I'm probably late to voice my opinion, but /r/ really sucks. You almost never get what you want. I've been coming here since 2007 and every thread I posted there never got a reply. I'm sure there was a purpose for it back then, but it seems like there has to be a better solution
yes, we need SFW /r/. Nobody is against this idea. Please, would you do it?
In 4chan we don't like people who feel too comfortable, for two reasons:
- Comfort leads to laziness. We prefer that people learn to do things by themselves so they don't make lots of posts asking stupid questions.
- If new people are very comfortable, they stay and make posts. In every board we want new people to be respectful, and to learn about the board before posting, so their opinions are at least *informed*.
If you are asking someone else only because it's easier, we won't answer you. (for example, "what anime should I watch?" --> "lurk and decide for yourself, faggot")
If you want to know about general information, we will tell you to find it by yourself (for example "Who bought 4chan?" --> "just google it, you useless idiot")
If you want an explanation on a controversial subject, that is the kind of thing that you can't read from Wikipedia, then we answer you, but we don't like it if you make a thread only for that (for example, you can ask about what happened with Gamergate on a thread, but if you make a thread for it you'll get insulted for wasting space)
If you are having a conversation, and you ask things, people will answer you without thinking, because you are not just a random idiot who dropped by just to ask a stupid question
Now that the bullshit questions are out of they way time for the important questions.
What's your primary fetish Hiro-tan?
I haven't posted much on /r/ but the one time I requested something, I helped out several other people while waiting and in the end someone just called me a faggot before my thread died.
While we're talking about the state of /e/, I'd like to point out that you should allowing groping as long as it's not sexual in nature.
I remember doing an screenshot dump of maken-ki here for a guy who asked for it on /a/ and five minutes after posting this scene I get a ban, and then the mods goes to write I have no excuse for posting it because it was /u/ content. That mod was one of the main reasons I stopped posting in /e/.
SFW /r/ should be Anime /r/ really since a majority of the requests are going to be about harder to find doujins and artists and you're going to condemn those to rot among the usual 3D porn requests.
It is also better for specializing the boards for people who do actually respond to requests since the line between anime and organic is pretty established.
examples of SFW requests that are impossible to get on /r/:
>A cartoon from your childhood that you vagely remember.
>Knowing what song was used in a commercial
>Getting the source on information or news that you vagely remember (like a story about a man drilling his own head in Afganistan)
We post those on /co/ and /mu/, but it is not ideal
>"What was that webpage that was a nightmarish hell? I think it was about clothes, but I cannot remember..."
>Do you mean yvettesbridalformal? http://yvettesbridalformal.p1r8.net/
>oh yes! it was dresses, not cloth! No wonder I could never google it! thanks, fellow 4channer!
Hey hiro, I've been watching you try to take an active role in the administration and can see you want ti learn more about the site, and I wanted to thank you.
Also, while we are at it, the mods over at /a/ have generally been good, it's not their fault /a/ has a tendency to flip their shit when the status quo is felt to be broken, please don't be hard on them for the recent conmotion over SFW (long standing /a/ moderation that is, new people are definitely stupid if involved)
Shut up. I don't know whether or not you're trying to manipulate Hiro-tan, but you're not telling the truth either way. Ever since it was created, /a/ has been exempt from Global Rule #5. The only people who got banned for violating it were posting straight-up hentai.
Hiro, can you ban generals on /a/ again? We had a mod come in and say that all generals would be purged by 2015. They're low quality "discussion" that basically act as permanent communities which goes against 4chans theme of ephemerality. Nothing can have quality discussion is it's discussed 24/7.
I might suggest that you create several stickied threads in /r/ that are specifically geared towards more popular topics. (Who is this actress/model, X-ray request, etc) But also keep it heavily moderated so they don't turn into a circle jerk like most generals. (Add in a bi-rule that you can't be a complete asshole to request that have already exhausted normal search procedures before requesting. And finally, ban off topic discussions while also pushing people who want to talk about a specific thing to the correct board.
It will require some baby sitting, but it would help clean up /r/ greatly. Although lurking and research as to what topics merit their own stickies will need to be done.
Also this, the will of the people trumps what a mod wants to do. Look up the lolicaust, where the community of /a/ and trolls who said community hated actually joined forces to fight new policies that were unilaterally installed by a corrupt moderator.
This is by far incorrect and I wish the archive was still up so that I could prove it to Hiro. I was browsing through old Queens Blade threads right before it went down, and nothing was deleted. They were far lewder than the Webm the mod posted, and he's crazy if he thinks that he isn't changing the status quo.
>I've been an ONEist my whole life and didn't know
I must find the truth in the belly-button.
I you want to keep things orderly, things need to be maintained. Or do you think the current clusterfuck that is /r/ is satisfactory? Because splitting /r/ into either the old /r/ and a SWF or Anime /r/ board does not deal with the fundamental problems of overlapping requests that stymie the boards.
[spoiler]Also these people work for hot pockets, you make it sound like their time is valuable.[/spoiler]
Then it's a good thing you aren't in charge of anything here.
That's what I'm saying. In it's natural state, Generals tend to produce circle jerks and cancer, but seeing as there is going to be a high turnover rate in the type of poster, and as long as the people who actually fulfill requests don't turn it into a circle jerk. (Using a janitor to keep it under control.) They can be utilized to clean up the board.
You could probably just create a Safe For Work general thread within /r/ and remove the need to have a seperate board all together if it's done right.
not "stump", just a very, very recurring mistake. Language molds the mind. The mind in turn is the mold for the way we speak. It doesn't come natural to think as cloth and clothes as two different words, just like Russians will usually forget articles despite perfectly knowing they go there, because they don't even feel their absence
this was the best I could do, i'm so sorry
Answer the questions Hiroyuki!
Hiro you need to understand that /e/, /h/ and similar boards were made for porn (softcore or hardcore) dumps, so they don't drown discussion on /a/.
The people who come to these boards are looking for porn and there's a lot of people who aren't even interested in anime, just porn.
This is why these boards have a different culture than /a/
People don't want countless threads from new people asking for recommendations in the discussion boards (videogames on /v/, anime on /a/, etc) so boards either have a recommendation sticky, or they send people to /r/
/r/ is a containment board. A containment board is a board that covers a single topic that disturbs or floods the normal working of a board.
For example, years ago, My Little Pony cartoons were flooding the whole 4chan. So /mlp/ was made as a containment board, and all MLP posters sent there.
Usually people hate cutting a board into various ones, because it breaks the community, and also the smaller board usually gets low posts and stale content over time. One example is the /a/ - /jp/ split, it created a lot of problems and bitterness, and now /jp/ is kinda stale.
- dividing boards: Must be done with a LOT of caution and thinking.
-creating containment boards: It is a response to issues with certain, concrete topics that don't fit in a normal board (something like a /celebrities/ board for youtubers and the likes would be nice to alleviate boards like /v/)
-creating new boards: Usually if there is community interest for it. Typically starts as trial boards.
Hey Hiro, just thought I'd bring this up here because it's a bit of a mess over on /a/, but why not have a nsfw tag for /a/?
Anything with from an episode of anime with tits and/or ass and/or fondling goes behind one of these.
Everything more explicit goes to /e/, /u/, /y/ or /h/.
NSFW tags with a ban on porn dumps might be the simplest solution, yes.
After all, the reason /a/ is NSFW is because of dumps, not because of it being disneyland.
Also the ones worried about browsing /a/ at work will be safe because of these NSFW spoiler tags. I'm ok with it.
Because its purpose was to have a place to discuss and wait for the Liru game. When the news got out that Seismic was putting the game on hiatus, the mod decided that it was time for the threads to have a break. So don't actually use the word 'banned', Liru threads may and will pop up again when more news about the game comes out.
I keep suggesting "generals" be once-per-week affairs like some on /tg/ (e.g., TES), but they want to keep forcing maymays and otherwise wiping themselves down with each other's shit.
Personally I don't really have an issue with someone asking for an artist name or something. The problem arises when people make new threads just to ask for source on an image because it kills another thread.
I'm thinking about have a nsfw tag for /a/
Some anons say you can't discuss in a NSFW board.
So, I have lurked on /e/ and /h/ which are NSFW anime board.
There are less discussion here.
That's why I asked a question in this thread.
There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
So, I can't still decide yet.
If you endorse spoonfeeding you'll attract all sorts of idiots who can't do anything by themselves.
Having some standards when it comes to asking for source keeps the posting quality "high".
NSFW tag would be amazing Hiro
You said yourself that TLR should be able to be discussed as long as it's art by Yabuki.
I know you read TLR Hiro, if you make a NSFW tag you can come to the threads and discuss it with us.
>There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
Not at all. The only reason /e/ and /h/ don't have much discussion is because /e/ and /h/ are image dump boards. We don't care much for it.
Also, fire that mod who brought up the sticky. He is the one who caused all this unnecessary drama.
>There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
That depends on the board, Hiro. I believe this smaller amount of discussion on /e/, /h/ and so on is more thanks to a long-standing tradition; making /a/ itself NSFW should not cut the amount of discussion in there.
I'm completely in favor of adding a NSFW tag in there as well.
The NSFW tag seems like a good idea, but the bigger problem is that things like this weren't an issue to begin before. Series like Queens Blade, Qwaser, and KissxSis had the same kind of content, but weren't deleted.
Also, can you please allow SFW loli threads on /a/ "again"? For some reason the mod keeps deleting/autosaging them.
Do you know about "Baneposting"? If you don't I recommend you make a thread on /tv/ asking them about it. It is a very important part of 4chan culture. It was one of moot's final words.
Hiro, after you left from /a/ the other day this happened:
He later deleted the thread when he saw everyone was telling him how wrong he was.
He is obviously no fit to be a mod. He doesnt understand the boards comunity
This is pretty much how /a/ was up until recently when that mod ran amok.
Though the NSFW tag would be a welcome change, it's implementation needs to be well planned. For example, I'd love to have a "Show R18 images" switch and then I don't have to click each and every picture in a VD thread for example.
I like this solution. Just be certain that it's stated clearly, in writing, that porn dumps and hentai (such that would be posted on /h/) are still not allowed.
It could be implemented as a trial thing, and repealed if it ends up being abused.
>There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
The difference is that /a/ is intended to be an anime discussion board, while /e/ and /h/ are boards for dumping. As long as the content directly comes from official anime/manga and actually pertains to the discussion, it shouldn't cause any problem with board quality.
the problem was it was never concrete, so sure some mods understood the informal policy of stuff from TV airings is fine, but when newfag moderators or mods who have little /a/ knowledge blunder in and start handing out bans, people whip into a frenzy
A tag would be an easy fix
There's a thread going on currently that's mostly unharmed, and a helpful janitor even went there and cleaned it of shitposting. I agree that whoever keeps deleting them should stop, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same mod who caused the whole nipple debate in first place.
Whatever you do you need to punish or remove the mod who ignored what you said and ignored the entire board and started making history up.
>actually pertains to the discussion
This is the very important part. This needs to be mutually understood so that there's no confusion between the moderators and ANY user.
Even if a few anons in this thread understand the purpose here clearly, there's no guarantee that every user on /a/ will, or that users won't come to /a/ specifically to abuse the nsfw tag wherever possible.
There needs to be a rule that's in writing, in clearly, unambiguous language in the rules section that explicates this clause. Because you just know that some insular general circlejerk is going to try and abuse the tag to dump OC porn and claim it's alright because it';s tagged properly.
In my opinion the situation on /a/ was great before the mod went rampant.
Nudity and lewdness is okay when people discuss normal anime and manga. It would be harmful to forcefully divide discussion across several boards.
No porn dumps on /a/ that stuff belongs to /h/, /d/ etc.
Does /a/ even need the nsfw tag? Nobody has a problem with lewd images/tits from anime and manga there. It's only that retarded mod.
>As long as the content directly comes from official anime/manga and actually pertains to the discussion
I'd personally let it to allow all tagged NSFW if it is thread-related.
Sometimes a non-official lewd comes on topic, and needing to censor those for no good reason with the tag would be silly.
I think that issue lied in the way the rules have been traditionally written and understood. That is to say, they've been too open to interpretation, to the extent that any 2 moderators looking at the same content will judge it radically differently.
Clarifying the rules as they apply to /a/ is important so we can avoid instances like this in the future, where a mod obviously unfamiliar with how things have been tries to come in and claim how things ought to be.
Even before that there were a few random deletions of nipples, look at the first week of VD and Shimoneta's last episode for example. Usually they stopped after someone brought that mod post from 2013 up.
I'm not sure 4chan is a place where you need rules that must be followed to the letter.
As you see, even though it was a SFW board, there was a nice status-quo till recently.
If you have capable mods you don't really need to regulate everything.
/e/ and /h/ are purely for image dumping so people can browse images without walls of text interrupting them fapping/collecting images. Nothing needed to be changed for /a/ in this regard. The mod who put up that sticky needs to be blocked from even touching /a/.
There's a lot of people who browse /a/. Not all of them post at all, or would go out of their way to complain openly about something like that which they don't think is sfw and wouldn't want to see on an, ostensibly, sfw board.
However, that doesn't mean they don't submit feedback about it, or email admins or whine on IRC or something where the people they are complaining about can't see and retaliate.
Shimoneta, yes, but VD was fine up until a few days prior to the sticky, when every single webm or pic of even a glimpse of a nipple was deleted followed by the poster being banned.
Here's the start of it http://desustorage.org/a/thread/132371569/#132380619
Making /a/ fully nsfw invites content from /h/ over, making /h/ a redundant board but also filling /a/ with porn. It doesn't have to be dumped to still generate an overwhelming and obstructive presence.
I already responded to you Hiro but I wanted to expand on the issue.
The mod went crazy and started banning people for things that up until a few days ago were alright to post.
In retaliation, anons begun posting bannable stuff in protest and the result is retty much what you expect, more banned people.
/a/ is a mess right now because of the mod.
>Making /a/ fully nsfw invites content from /h/ over, making /h/ a redundant board but also filling /a/ with porn.
That's why there would also be a rule forbidding actual porn from being posted in there, as most people agreed a few days ago. Even /s4s/ has a rule against porn dumps.
>Do I remember wrong or didn't the nun chick get fucked in a dream sequence in season 1?
I don't remember anything like that.
>Also eating loli pussy
That Hana eating out Katja scene could even pass on a Christian TV channel in America.
Just leave this as the rules for /a/ and don't bother having mods like the one who put up that sticky to touch the said rules.
But with the NSFW tag on /a/, won't it make /e/ redundant? That's been bugging me for a while.
I don't like it either, but newfag mods are a thing, and hardly uncommon too. Clarification of unwritten rules, while undesirable, is necessary.
I'll just treat it as some disgusting medicine that works.
The problem, as we can see here, is that you can't always depend on the mods being competent or on being amicable to your board. Misinterpreted, ambiguously worded rules, or those whose wording is out of date with its application in practice, can be a tool used to actively disrupt a board, impose your own ideas on it and otherwise just shit things up.
It's preferable in general is the wording of the rules explicitly outlines in mutually understood language exactly what cases the rule may and may not be applied. That way, you limit cases of anons being banned because a mod understands the rules in a way differently than it's normally understood and applied, or being banned because their understanding doesn't align with how it is normally understood and applied. You also depend much less on the individual judgement of moderators to address cases of word-twisting or deliberate attempts to exploit the rule.
Misunderstandings, miscommunication (or a total lack thereof) and divergent interpretations of the writ and intent of the rules as well as the application of the rules historically, are the largest source of conflict and contention between /a/'s users and its moderators.
Being accountable to a mutually agreed upon written compromise is preferable to depending on the incidental benevolence of whichever mod is viewing the board at the time.
Considering that /a/ is quite big, I'd even go as far as once a year a fuckup is excusable. That is, if the mod settles down and actually learns the board culture, unlike this recent cunt.
>But with the NSFW tag on /a/, won't it make /e/ redundant? That's been bugging me for a while
I'm here because this thread was linked on /a/. I don't actually browse /e/, so I would remain unchanged because it's still functionally a dump board and dumps are still not for /a/.
See, but it's not usually a fuck-up. The people that have been doing this have an agenda to change 4chan to fit their personal vision of how it ought to be. These types of people are unfit for moderating 4chan. The job is to enforce rules and remove shitposting and off-topic, not to remodel the site however you want.
>But with the NSFW tag on /a/, won't it make /e/ redundant? That's been bugging me for a while.
No. Unless you use /e/ you can't say you know what it's for. I come here to save images and fap. I go to /a/ to discuss anime and shitpost.
>I'm thinking about have a nsfw tag for /a/
I just want to say, Hiro, that you should make sure to post about this on /a/ as well.
If this is a discussion that's going to be had about /a/, it should probably be had on /a/.
/e/ gets much less user traffic than /a/, so fewer fewer people will see this discussion or become involved in it. On /a/, there will be more people discussing it, and the discussion concerns /a/.
The thing about words is, anyone can misinterpret any word and fuck shit up just by having a different understanding of them. It's very hard to have something so clear that it can't be misunderstood. You could write anything and I could probably come up with a way to misunderstand it. Say we write new rules and 4chan exists 10 years from now, those rules would easily be misunderstood by the people fucking around then as well. Rules will always be exploited.
Many actual in real life laws from history don't even make sense anymore with how we interpret and understand them but are still floating around. If you ask me, it's very important that someone in charge take the time to understand board culture before they get trigger-happy.
That's one of the causes of this problem as well, that mod who's been fucking up with everything seems to believe that anything with the slightest appearance of a nipple counts as porn.
I've always thought /e/, /h/, /c/, and the likes are mostly for dumps and TL/discussion of very board specific things while /a/ Is general discussion without dumps dominating the board. Some sort of dump on /a/ Is ok as long as It doesn't get to the point of It taking over and turining Into a second /h/ or /c/.
To me japanese drawn media Is quite sexualized so some level of Indecency Is expected and there's also the fanart which Is In great part obscene but It's still part of the enjoyment of this medium so completely dissociating the porn from an anime and mango board seems to me like something completely Illogical.
>I'm thinking about have a nsfw tag for /a/
This could solve the immediate problem. However, you really need to use a heavy hand to talk with the moderators to get them on the same page as you because I have a feeling that they will continue to issue bans and delete posts/threads regardless. People are currently (as recently as today) getting banned from /a/ for posting about Valkyrie Drive, Seikon no Qwaser, TLR, and other anime with nipples.
Clarification is essential because the moderation policy has changed DRAMATICALLY in just the past 7 years that I have been on 4chan. It has swung from one extreme to another, back again, and back again. There have been periods when NSFW image dumps of ero/loli manga on /a/ would go completely unpenalized SOMETIMES, and other periods when such images would go unpenalized as long as they were spoilered. There have been other times when any nipples at all would result in a ban, and there have been times when bluray nipples were fine to post unspoilered.
What makes it worse is that users have saved the posts of moderators who went public with their policies each time and will post screencaps of these posts to use as reference because, after all, what else do we have to do on? No one wants to get banned, but when moderators are doing things at odds with the official /a/ rules, we need to do our own research about what the "true rules" are. When a moderator comes in, saying that the "true rules" are no longer the rules, users get alienated and/or mutinous and the quality of the board goes down.
So, really, no one, users and moderators alike, knows exactly WHAT the true policy is anymore. Hence, why clarification from you is essential.
Eh, fuck it I'll probably rewatch it soon enough, just to get my fix of Katja.
In any case, the supposed sex scenes that the mod brings up are much more SFW than what you'd sometimes see nowadays on TV during daytime.
If you're talking about temporality, then rules should be periodically updated to reflect changing understanding of language and board culture, as well as to reflect changes in need.
For example, the language that the current nsfw rule is written in is clearly outdated. It could be updated to better reflect both the intent and application as it currently exists. Hell, looking through the rules page right now, /v/ still has a rule that makes reference to 'flamewars.' Who even uses that term anymore? I'll bet there are 18 year olds on /v/ right now that didn't use the internet back when 'flamewar' was a part of common web vernacular.
Keeping language current is important, especially on a website like this where language use can change so radically and so distinctly in such short amounts of time and for such short amounts of time.
And, I mean, to some extent everything can be twisted but it's plain for anybody to see if you try to twist the word "carrot" to mean "plate" that you're full of shit. Even the most deliberate and dubious shit-disturber has to operate within the commonly accepted understandings of either or both parties when they attempt to twist meanings with ill-intent. If you can't find safe and functional wording with which you can hold both parties accountable to, you just haven't tried hard enough.
By the way, I agree that this discussion should be had on /a/ and not here. I was directed here from a meta thread on /a/, which moderators DELETED soon after it was made because moderators are assholes who want to eradicate any threads not directly about a specific anime/manga.
This is another problem. On other boards, a wide variety of thread types are permitted, but on /a/, we are not even able to discuss the issues affecting our own board without catching a ban.
Periodic updates would probably be best, but moderation should still put effort into understanding the boards. Have you seen how people are arguing over the word "porn" the last couple days? They're tossing out definitions left, right and center and still none of them are hitting the same understanding. It's pretty fucking ridiculous how people can twist words without going as extreme as "carrot means plate".
/a/ was worked fine for 12 years without any changes. People got upset because they couldn't post a few nude images from Valkyrie Drive. There's no big problem here that you need to fix with something like a NSFW tag.
That's because pornography is a poorly defined and ambiguous term. Usually, you need to qualify a word like that with a concrete definition that others can use and apply to clearly designate something as porn or not.
For example: "receives a rating from the relevant japanese rating bureau that passes a certain, specific threshold" is a concrete definition of pornography for the /a/-relevant context. You can easily and objectively verify whether or not something fits that definition with a few minutes on google, and from there choose whether or not to post it, or whether or not to ban it with the peace of mind that the reasons it is allowed or disallowed will be understood mutually on both sides of the divide. That's just an example.
Oh and in case you didn't notice, the mod deliberately used the word pornography because he was choosing to be ambiguous. He didn't want to use concrete or well-defined language that he could be held accountable to, and so chose a poorly-defined word that he could twist to his purposes and justify with "because I'm a mod, I can make these interpretations"
Please Hiro-sama! Do that and you will save /a/.
Pornography is traditionally defined in the United States with the qualifier, "intended for titillation," but if you exclude anime or manga based on that, then you're going to make it very hard to discussion certain shows and manga, like TLR. Even Prisma Illya, which was harmless for most of its first season, had some extremely titillating scenes in its second and third seasons. Is Prisma Illya porn?
And yet shows like SnQ, DxD and shinmai were always perfectly fine. But after that fucking mod showed, suddenly they're not fine.
The idiot even wants to ban sadpanda threads. So please fuck off with that cunt.
Japan, they have a good enough rating system and they're the ones who make this stuff so they should know what they're doing. The best I could find about it was some thread on MAL so I'll spare you the link.
>G - All Ages
>PG - Children
>PG-13 - Teens 13 or older
>R - 17+ recommended (violence & profanity)
>R+ - Mild Nudity (may also contain violence & profanity)
>Rx - Hentai (extreme sexual content/nudity)
MAL itself also adds that rating to the page of any (or most?) anime series, so finding out whether something is hentai or not should be easy.
Make a NSFW tag/thumbnail that works like the spoiler one
Also ban the mod who posted the sticky, he's gone rogue and been ignoring you completely for the past few days, and been banning people just for posting nipples.
> Is Prisma Illya porn?
Obviously? But seriously, you aren't obliged to discuss the porny bits. As far as I know, PI actually has plot which doesn't depend on "plot" or "background" or whatever euphemism you want to use, so you don't really lose anything important by not talking about it. Meanwhile, shows that really are mostly porn I feel should be moved to /e/ — which as of now should be exclusive about animu anyway. Why is such notion considered unreasonable?
Because the vast majority of people disagree with you. And there is really no reason to change how things have worked for years because a handful of people think it would make more sense that way.
Nobody forbids you from using two boards at the time. Remember that /a/ isn't (supposed to be) /v/, and if you don't want to leave the board to talk about off-topic subjects, then that's your problem, not the mods'.
You've got to choose whether you want for a red /a/ or for /e/ and its sister boards to continue existing, because otherwise you get several completely redundant dead boards. It's not about "freedom of speech" (lel), it's about site management.
>PI actually has plot which doesn't depend on "plot" or "background"
Kuro kissing other people is actually a part of that plot.
>shows that really are mostly porn I feel should be moved to /e/
Which is an image dump board, people only come here to fap as plenty have already said in this thread alone.
Please keep your shitposting to those threads on /a/.
So then a clear way to classify tv anime would be
>R+: permitted on /a/. put nudity behind the 'nsfw tag'
>Rx: not permitted on /a/, go to whichever relevant red board.
As long as there's a similar standard for manga, we should be fine.
On a tangent: This new tag shouldn't be officially called an 'nsfw' tag, because that'll just create misunderstandings. Whichever word is used (I vote "Lewd"), should also be defined in the rules so that there's no confusion that it refers specifically to scenes of full or partial nudity originating from series rated R+ (or equivalent manga rating system) or below
>the mod deliberately used the word pornography because he was choosing to be ambiguous
And that's exactly why a mod should understand the board culture. They can use any new word they choose and shift shit to mean whatever the fuck they want, especially if it's time for one of our "periodic updates on rules". Every single time new rules come in, someone can easily do this over and over again and cause unnecessary drama. What's written doesn't mean shit at the end of the day, though you're welcome to try to make concrete rules that no one will shit on.
This anon has been a long time lurker since 2003 (4chan.net) and when /e/ came abroad, I watched it grow. Please allow us to not get involved with /a/, /a/ is a shit board to begin with. It is full of memes and this place is the only board I can come to and enjoy anime without the rhetorical lolicon loving jackasses that roam all over 4chan and /a// Since the death of the /l/ board got annihilated (thanks Federal Bureau of Investigation ) /b/ has been the place to view lolicon/toddlercon. Lets keep it there.
Most content posted in here is absolutely content I want to see, and none of the memes and back and forth. I like it that way thank you.
Thirdly, Hiroyuki-san, You should also note that bringing attention here from other boards will create a shitstorm that could cause chaos for days even weeks.
Last but not least, One piece of advice - do not try to change our board, we like to have our content uninterrupted with lewds and noods of ladies and young girls.
Thank you for your time.
/e/ is already fairly pointless when /h/ exists.
/a/ is for the discussion of non-h anime and manga, even the ones that have nudity. Posting images from the series is an inextricable part of discussion on an imageboard.
So /e/ is sacrosanct and should not be changed at any cost while /a/ is just fine for turning into a porn dump bait.
> Kuro kissing other people is actually a part of that plot.
I'm quite sure you don't have to post that webm or porn derived off of it to have a productive discussion.
> Which is an image dump board
You chose it be like this, Hiro was actually thinking about encouraging discussion here until you shouted him into scratching that. Please don't pretend for the straws you grasp at to be iron rulings.
While In theory you can In practice hardly anyone Is going to so In the end there will be some sort of userbase split. The SFW on /a/ Is not to be taken literally, It's more of a way to diferentiate between /a/ and the more explicit/dump boards /e/ and /h/. It's wasn't meant for people to behave on that board so you could literally browse It at work or on your flatscreen TV with your family and friends. In other words, It's not something binary.
Or at least It's my take on It from the few years I've spent here.
>You chose it be like this, Hiro was actually thinking about encouraging discussion here until you shouted him into scratching that.
You can encourage all you like, but if the community of /e/ doesn't want to allow discussion, they shouldn't be forced to do so. No reason to change 2 boards when changing one is fine.
>/e/ is already fairly pointless when /h/ exists.
Frankly, I'd condense all the porn boards into one or two, three at maximum, and flush everything that vaguely looks like porn there.
> Posting images from the series is an inextricable part of discussion on an imageboard.
You do realise that this attempt at loophole abuse won't stand with anyone who doesn't think with his dick, right?
I can reply with the same. Don't pretend that things have always been as they are, and calling everyone who disagrees with you a newfag won't fool anyone, Hiro included.
It is very simple. Make a spolier-like image for /a/. Give us the option to either select spolier or NSFW.
You can still delete dumps, anons can post lewd with that tag as a "NSFW" tag and you don't have to change /a/'s original board tag.
> While In theory you can In practice hardly anyone Is going to so In the end there will be some sort of userbase split.
In other words, you do acknowledge yourself as being /v/ermin who is too lazy to leave the board for any reason. Good to know.
Red /a/ wouldn't kill /e/ and the rest of the porn boards because /e/'s family is all composed of porn dump boards. /a/ wouldn't be a porn dump board.
Instead of outright banning Rx series from /a/, that rule should be applied in regards to pictures with nudity. If nude images from R+ and below shows are posted, they're fine, but if nude images from Rx works show up they should be deleted. The main reason for such is that /a/ is still the main board to discuss new hentai animation that gets released periodically, threads still get created on /h/ but everyone who cares doesn't mind them being created on /a/ as well as long as discussion is kept to safe pictures.
Here's a recent example: (without images though because half RIP, archives)
>Meanwhile, shows that really are mostly porn I feel should be moved to /e/
/e/ is not for discussion and doesn't want /a/'s userbase. Stop trying to merge them. /e/ may be small but they still have a way they'd prefer doing things. All the /a/ and /qa/ shit in here is just drowning them out.
/a/ becoming a red or purple board will change /e/, making it even deader, and you know it. Stop with your attempts at smart talking.
> /a/ wouldn't be a porn dump board.
Because it's not like /a/ is kept from that only by extensive rules preventing it from happening even as it is now? Sure, m8, moot called shit on you lot before you personally have ever heard of 4chin.
> We've explicitly said that porn dumps would still be against the rules.
You've been spending the last few days desperately trying to bend the rules and find loopholes in them, so who the fuck are you trying to fool?
>I'm quite sure you don't have to post that webm or porn derived off of it to have a productive discussion.
But we can do that because 4chan is an image board, and said productive discussion can be just how much we've fapped or how hard we want to fuck Kuro because 4chan allows us to be free like that. Forcing "productive discussion" through censorship doesn't work.
Why not? I've yet to see a single reason why /a/ should not go that route.
I'm here partly because I want to protect /a/ but also because I don't want to see another board get ruined because of a moderator who doesn't know shit. You /e/ people are fine.
Actually the boards I frequent In order of hours spent are /a/, /g/, /n/, and /int/. And I hardly ever have more than one board open at the same time even though I have three monitors cause It's a fucking pain, I just go from board to board as I get kinda fed up with what's being discussed at that particular time.
And I've never been to /v/ cause I've never had any Interest In discussing videogames, I just like playing them.
>All the /a/ and /qa/ shit in here is just drowning them out.
Trust me when I say no one from /a/ want to fuck with /e/ at all, it's just one shitposter that's been sitting every Valkyrie Drive thread accusing us all of thinking only with our dicks, and suck the cock of the mod that caused all of this.
Everyone on /a/ just wants things to got back to the way they a were, and I think an NSFW tag on would basically do just that. Though banning that faggot mod would be better.
/e/ is an erotic image dump link, and not under any sort of discussion to be tampered with.
Nudity to sexy clothing and the such, no dicks, just tits and asses. You want both? Go to /d/.
This is non-negotiable, Hiro
/a/ has been waiting a day and a half to hear from Hiro about an issue that primarily concerns /a/ while meanwhile a rouge mod has been banning content that has been allowed for years. Of course we're going to follow him around.
>/a/ becoming a red or purple board will change /e/
No it won't.
People want to discuss VD/TLR/Prison School/DxD while posting images and not getting banned.
Show me all these threads on /e/.
If you think some obscure ecchi dumps will happen or anyone gives a fuck to post in those threads you're retarded. Everything that is ecchi and posted on /a/ is already there and has been there because it's built up a fanbase over time, it's just getting deleted by a shit mod.
>/e/ is not for discussion
Hiro, respect for whom you don't fail to mention whenever it's convenient for you, wants to do just that.
> doesn't want /a/'s userbase
And /v/'s a respectable board about videogames, sure.
> Stop trying to merge them.
This is what you are trying to do. I am trying to keep them apart, and not with lousy rules, but regulations tight enough to not allow for any kind of loophole abuse.
/e/ and /a/ serve completely different purposes. /e/ has nothing to do with /a/, /e/ is not the solution to /a/'s problem. Anyone who brings /e/ into this issue browses neither /a/ nor /e/ or is just trying to cause trouble(cripplefags, nipplemod, and /qa/ garbage). Stop bringing up /e/. Stop trying to ruin /e/. Fuck off to your own boards. Ignore anyone who brings up /e/ anymore.
I see where you're coming from. /a/ has certainly discussed Rx series in the past without posting explicit images from it and that's been fine.
The problem is that a lewd tag invites users to think they can hide actual explicit Rx hentai images and webms behind it, and this could irreparably damage those threads on /a/ because it would never not be a battleground of users trying to exploit /a/'s special snowflake feature to post /h/ on /a/.
>You've been spending the last few days desperately trying to bend the rules and find loopholes in them, so who the fuck are you trying to fool?
Read the thread, you retard. No one wants porn dumps in /a/.
>But we can do that
That's what being discussed here. Really, the whole argument is at least partly begging the question: you claim that you should be allowed to post porn because "it has always been like that" while shouting down all opposition and refusing to show any actual proof of this.
Are you literally autismal?
> No one wants porn dumps in /a/.
Then what's the deal with nipplegate? Don't post the webm, end of discussion.
>Hiro, respect for whom you don't fail to mention whenever it's convenient for you, wants to do just that.
No he didn't. He came here, sat down and asked /e/ about it. You're free to scroll up and even see for yourself, in this very thread. If he wanted to change it, he would have changed it by now.
The deal is several people, including you, not having an adequate definition of porn. The mod thought the webm in question was porn, the userbase didn't, hence the argument. Please pay attention.
Posting images from a show while discussing it isn't porn dumping and it never will be, no matter how hard you shitpost.
> No he didn't.
You do realise that you are having this conversation so that Hiro will pay attention to it, right? So then why are you trying to tell the man himself that he didn't think what he thought?
>refusing to show any actual proof of this.
Everyone has disagreed with you for 3 days now, showed you proof, and you reply to this proof like a sperge saying "BUT THATS PORN".
Yet everyone again will tell you it's not porn, and here you are arguing again against the herd for no reason other than trying to justify a shitty crusade.
Again, this is the same person that called TLR porn. You shouldn't take them seriously or reply to such fickle arguments. strawman indeed
That's why rules should be clarified and examples should be made in case people break them. 4chan is full of "special snowflake" features anyway, just last week for example /jp/ got a [sjis] tag.
But porn isn't allowed on /a/ and has never been. The problem here is that you and the mod have an extremely broad and stupid definition of porn.
>and refusing to show any actual proof of this.
Good thing the archive doesn't have much data from anything older than a few weeks, right?
No one want to be able to do whatever they want, we just to be able to discuss things that are relative to the topic of the board, with out catching a ban for posting something from that thing.
>Don't post the webm
First and foremost, kissing isn't porn, fondling isn't porn. Second, we've been over this already, and Hiro fucking agrees, you can post any image or webm of tv anime.
Now kindly fuck off.
Trying to pretend that pornographic images from blatantly sexual shows aren't porn will never convince anyone, no matter how hard you shitpost.
> showed you proof
I'm not nipplemod and I never saw any kind of proof. Come on, it should be easy if you have it.
Don't pretend to be dense.
> But porn isn't allowed on /a/ and has never been.
Hence the whole deal with trying to change the rules. Stop pretending to be dumber than you actually are.
>Then what's the deal with nipplegate?
That's not a porn dump. We want to post shit from our series. Official images. Screenshots. Valkyrie Drive is not hentai and not labelled as hentai. It's a porn dump when all you do is post fanart porn en masse. Next you'll tell me posting a chapter of TLR is a porn dump.
He never tried to change /e/. He thought about it, but what you're failing to comprehend is that he asked people about it. He's asking people. He's asking the boards. He's trying to understand how the boards work. If that didn't matter and all he wanted to do was change it, he would have done so by now. It's within his power.
>Then what's the deal with nipplegate? Don't post the webm, end of discussion.
Because posting a webm or pic from a currently airing show that isn't a hentai, mind you, by no means is equal to a porn dump. Is it really so hard to grasp this simple idea?
> She didn't know what TLR was
By this point you can say I eat babies.
Sorry /e/, we promise we'll leave once this issue gets dealth with (or Hiro moves to another thread). Will you forgive us if we post some lewd?
The dozens of caps of previous mods and Hiro saying it's okay are the proof.
The problem here is, you are a fucking retard that thinks anything with a nipple is porn. You won't see any understanding in it even though you are clearly against the mass in terms of opinions. Yet you're still here arguing it.
VD isn't porn
TLR isn't porn
DxD isn't porn
But what's the point of saying this or posting things you've seen already? Your perception of porn or handling an argument is that of a child.
Here is your (You)
The code already exists in the form of the spoiler tag, you only need custom thumbnail art for the lewd tag, a ui element for the option tickbox, and relevant options in the settings bar for hiding/displaying lewd-tagged images.
I mean, technically that's work involved but it's not a substantial project.
> That's not a porn dump.
> He never tried to change /e/.
He obviously thought that it was an idea worth exploring.
You keep repeating the same claim over and over while not presenting any arguments other than "because I said so". You're not going to convince anyone.
Where are those caps? Show me them, I'm waiting.
> Hiro saying it's okay
You're grasping at imaginary straws.
Why are /qa/ fags so autistic about boards and all that entail? They argue day in and day out about issues they don't understand. They read the definition of the board, then think that's law.
A single screenshot or webm is not a porn dump. Or any kind of dump.
>He obviously thought that it was an idea worth exploring.
Which is completely different than actually changing it. Exploring ideas is good and well, I'm all for exploring ideas. But no action has been taken.
A bukkake scene may have neither genitalia nor any kind of sex act shown, therefore it's porn according to the definition you fuckers are trying to push. If you're going to play definition lawyers, so can I.
>You keep repeating
What have I been repeating? Or do you honestly believe that only one anon thinks that you're full of fucking shit?
>You're not going to convince anyone.
Convince who of what? You're the only one who's acting like a complete fucking retard.
Apparently the retard mod thinks that drawing a shitty scribble now turns Images Into making them unacceptable for TLR on /a/ and then went on a deleting and banning spree. And It's not even fanart since It was yabuki one of yabuki's drafts.
Image related and the thread:
See, this is exactly the problem someone else mentioned earlier: different people have different meanings for a word, and some stupid people have extremely stupid definitions for them.
Thanks for being an example of that kind of person and making discussion easier for us.
Not until /a/ gets fixed or Hiro moves to another thread.
The rule set Hiro is thinking about excludes any kind of male fluids from being posted, this means no nukkake is allowed.
You are now just inventing stuff so you can argue with people.
Add a NSFW Tag which is for actual anime screenshots and webms only. Also for figures in the buyfag (anime merchandise) thread.
Add a rule saying that NSFW FANART belongs in /e/, /h/, /u/ or /y/ depending on content.
This thread is past bump limit so anyone mind bumping other threads to sink this one? Thanks.
How many ridiculous claims can you make before you stop being able to keep a straight face?
See, if you use that little brain of yours for thinking you can produce something resembling thought. My retort: you are relying on an unreasonable exception that doesn't follow a definite intention for another attempt at loophole abuse. It doesn't matter what Hiro thinks about this, this isn't what's being discussed. What's being discussed is whether can porn be exclusively defined as requiring showing of genitalia.
Just ask this on /a/ instead of making poor /e/ suffer.
There shouldn't be a need for drastic change like making /a/ red or adding NSFW tag to "fix" /a/, which has operated fine for years.
Just remove the mod, and clarify that "if its airing/aired, its good."
Hiro add the NSFW tag already no image dump threads will be created because people will continue to make generals and shitpost about stella more anyways.
The only ecchi series /a/ cares about already gets threads, they're just getting shit on by a rogue mod but if you make it clear what the rules are with a NSFW spoiler then things will just go back to normal and people can have their VD and TLR threads in peace.
>Add a rule saying that NSFW FANART belongs in /e/, /h/, /u/ or /y/ depending on content.
Please no, It's already a pain not having to host webms with sound on other boards, don't make It so that even more everyday shit has to be posted elsewhere and then linked.
Please wait until Hiro says something else at least, most people in here should leave once he decides to go somewhere else. We're just waiting for a reply because this problem has gone on for far too long already.
Don't worry, you should be able to resume your uninterrupted fapping soon. By the way, is the image limit 150 in here?
It's needed. You can say "it's okay for a couple of NSFW fanart images in a thread as long as discussion is still going" which is fair enough, but it leaves the rule open to personal interpretation by a mod for what constitutes a "porn dump" which is exactly the problem here: mods making up their own rules and interpretations of rules.
Anon, I have a little secret to tell you. That's not him, that was me.
And the reason why I wrote that in that thread when it was on page 10 was because you all were accusing anyone who presented an alternate opinion to be the dreaded nipplemod. You were all literally fuming with rage and not thinking coherently anymore.
All you did was embarrass yourselves.
It's pretty obvious he won't be back for a while.
>too much skin color.
Wat. Never change, hiro.
Just delete this thread. It's nothig but people coming from other boards to shit everywhere.
For what reason? As long as It doesn't turn Into just a dump I don't se a problem as the whole site Is 18+.
I doubt that would stop some new asshole from just going after the next loophole and start all this shit all over again. I like the Idea of mods knowing how things work Instead of writing down which they just don't give a fuck about In the first place.
Sorry bro, we really don't want to be here, we're all just frustrated with whats been going on and want some action. If Hiro would just create a new thread we'd be out of your hari.
Have a safe flight. Also please unban the tripcode !p8eYCadcMo when you come back.
> Also please unban the tripcode !p8eYCadcMo when you come back.
Just stop and leave /e/ alone already. Go make a thread on /a/ or /qa/ and bitch about it there. Leave the Valkyrie Drive threads alone too. Make a new thread and argue to your hearts content.
I didn't say that, now did I? I just said go argue in a place where you won't be bothering anyone. Or do would you prefer bothering everyone because it's so exciting getting people riled up?
> Nipples are not porn.
In that webm they sure were.
>You only lasted for two days
I haven't been arguing with you for two days. I said maybe three sentences against you today and that's about it. Frankly I couldn't care a less if you continued elsewhere, I'm just trying to be considerate of the threads you're bombing with your shit. I know, I know, you don't care because this is both a Hiro thread and you couldn't give two shits about /e/ or "porn" threads.
>Of course, you get banned if you post obviously NSFW images.
Please be careful Hiro, that line might let this mod still call everything NSFW and keep banning everyone.
Good job nonetheless, let's hope that /a/ can be a safe place to talk about anime once again.
Nice job, Hiro one obvious problem is :
>Of course, you get banned if you post obviously NSFW images.
Since if these threads have proven anything, it's that people have very different opinions on what constitutes NSFW.
Thank you anyway. Hopefully it improves the situation a bit.
>Of course, you get banned if you post obviously NSFW images.
I think you need to define this line. What is "obviously NSFW"? If we look at the Valkyrie Drive webm again, it aired on TV and all but is it fine according to your guidelines?