"Cyberpunk" was a cultural movement in the 1980s-1990s.
"Futurism" was a cultural movement in the 1910s-1930s.
The current moment has a LOT of commonalities with them, but it's a different thing. They are both long past, despite the TBH reckless writers who keep tossing out "cyberpunk" to describe Tumblrs and edgy Gore-Tex jackets. (Both of which I like!)
Remember everybody, punk is dead and didn't really work anyway. All the good stuff came after pure punk.
theres shit tons of collections that are very futurey and spacey right now and even 20+ years ago if you look
its not a new idea by any means at all tbh tho i sense a heavy wave of it coming in the next 5-10 years, one that will leave a lasting impression that you will see threads of in most if not all clothing that comes after (like a second 90s lang)
but who cares dress like it now if you are so inclined its there for you
>>8444918 I wrote a long-ass, wide-ranging response to this and related stuff that was up to three posts when I was editing it and pulling images, and about two minutes from being done I had a kernel panic from nowhere. Of course, everything was in a reply field here or an unsaved Gedit window.
But basically: none of the Tumblr-generated subcultures you're talking about have much of any conceptual or affective overlap with Punk. The stuff we're talking about - very roughly, the interesting, smart, creative common tendencies going on it culture and pushing it forward now - does, in that it takes from Punk, mostly via the immediate offshoots - Cyberpunk, No Wave, Post-Punk, Harajuku spinoffs.
But it's not Punk; we've exhausted our vocabulary and haven't refreshed it to be adequate to our present reality. I don't know what it is; I've been trying to figure it out for months and I want to know if /fa/ has any ideas.
A few differences from Punk:
Everyone wants to get paid. DIY doesn't mean a rough aesthetic anymore, and the only people still doing that are retrograde die-hard dead-enders. DIY means DSLR and DAW and etc. Confrontation isn't the aim; accomplishment is. Or private satisfaction - how much do you hear people talking about dressing to disappear or just to feel at home in their body, instead of to make a scene or make their way into a scene. Similarly, it's not angry, or when it is it's not defined by it - the anger is real but it's a frustrating distraction from the good stuff. Enthusiasm, curiosity, adventure, challenge, striving, longing, admiration, flow/satisfaction at autotelic effort are more the mood.
There's more, but there's a few of the big ones.
Like, pic related would not have been possible without Punk, but it's also definitely *not*.
This still got to 1/2, but out of sloppiness instead of range. Meh.
Read the news on the telescreen you keep in your pocket. We have actually gotten to the future.
>tbh tho i sense a heavy wave of it coming in the next 5-10 years, one that will leave a lasting impression that you will see threads of in most if not all clothing that comes after (like a second 90s lang)
This is going on right now, this is why like I keep repeating every thread "techwear" is really a long term trend, so much more than a floating hash-style for insecure boys to latch onto in forums and wonder "is this techwear?"
Lanvin - fucking Lanvin, the world's oldest fashion house, home of relaxed wealth, helmed by Alber "I just want to make everyone happy and beautiful" Elbaz - did luxe-tech sweatpants for S/S '14. I somehow can't track down a clear pic right now, but I distinctly remember being shocked: it's even *here*, in a real fabric, marked as "tech" in the name, being sold to rich Euro-global dads. And the whole S/S '14 issue of High Snobiety is devoted to tech fashion, covers of the Tisci x Nike deal and Aitor, the Aitor one being also available as a special edition with an Aitor-designed iPad tote only in person at DSM London, because shit is fucked up and bullshit.
This tech is actually in development, has been for a while. Something to do with carbon nanotubes changing their optical properties. AFAIK nothing is field ready yet, but I think I actually remember hearing 2020 bandied about as a forecast date at some point.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's legally restricted to the military, and elite units in practice. Would be sad, though, to not be able to cop a JS1-CN (JumpSuit1-CarbonNanotubes).
>>8446937 >Jazz is and always will be a thing, just because you're not wearing a suit doesn't mean you're not a jazz musician.
I know people living and identifying with that punk life. I know Jazz musicians who always give their concerts in a suit. I even know a guy who's into medieval and renaissance music and gives educational lecture/concerts in period costume on reproduction instruments. It's all good. I'm not trying to impugn anyone here.
But that doesn't mean punk, vintage existentialism, or Thomas Aquinas provide the most useful concepts and vocabulary for understanding the present. We can and do learn and develop from them, but *just like them*, we need to develop new schema adequate to our changed social reality.
>>8446677 That's one thing I've seen, but I kind of filed it away because it just *sounds* like bullshit/an April Fool's joke, you know?
"Yeah, we've developed invisibility cloaks using a completely different technology than the documented research going back at least ten years, but no, we can't tell you anything about how it works, or even show you it, so here's so junky mockups with some girl standing in a field!"
Hyperstealth is definitely a real, legit company, but goddamn that sounds ridiculous. Like if it's so secret, and clicking around their site some now they claim that only 10-15% of their work is public, why talk about it at all?
>>8445992 thanks for the answer m8 I would like to discuss this seriosly but my english is so fucking bad, it got so much worse for past three years. I can't express complicated thoughts and I feel very bad and dumb cause of this but all in all I agree with you and your definition of punk\non punk I didn't mention those tumblr *whatever*punk styles with 100% seriousness tho
It all looks very superfluous and not very functional.
I think of futuristic fashion as re-imaginings of old cultural styles (eg middle eastern and feudal japan) made from nanoscopic fibres that never get dirty, wet or creased and can even possess exotic qualities such as hyper fluidity/rigidity and intelligent thermal retention.
I think those Tumblr *whatever*punk styles actually can tell us a lot about what's going on, might have closer relation to it than OG punk.
Like, okay, the primitive graphics shit as art is usually a failure, kind of suspect (backwards-looking, etc.), but there's also definitely overlap with some stuff that's definitely in the field of what we're talking about.
Cav Empt is the easiest example. Pair pic related with some black tapered patch pocket cargos.
do you think when people in the 1600's were wondering what people would be wearing in 400 years, that they predicted fuckin polo's with khaki shorts, or t shirts and tennis shoes? dude no, cyber punk will never be a thing.
>>8460341 not to mention the fact that when I see these 'futuristic' outfits, I think it looks futuristic. That fact alone also tells it will never be a thing. People will only wear things that looks 'normal' or modern, not something that looks futuristic. OP, you will never know what is futuristic because it will be modern. Modern clothes would look strange as fuck to somebody who was born in 1600, but to me it looks normal.
>>8460341 also, people for some reason think that technology will effect the clothes that people wear. no, it will not, the whole point of tech is to make it smaller, more inconspicuous. Shit like the ipod arm band or bluetooth ear thing will look primitive as fuck to somebody in the future because they'll be doing all kinds of crazy tech shit but you won't be able to see any of it.
Not the first thing that springs to mind when you think about tech-wear, but does anyone have any experience with transition lenses? It seems like a great 'ready for any environment' thing to wear. It's annoying having to carry around a pair of sunglasses that you have to keep taking off when you go inside a building.
>>8460341 If futurism was a thing, it wouldn't be futurism. That's the whole point of trying to dress like the future, it's always fictional by nature.
>>8460334 3D printed clothes won't really happen because the technology and materials don't make much sense except as a conceptual thing.
But the equivalent of an Espresso Book Machine for clothes? That's almost certainly coming.
>>8460341 1) People in the 1600s thought about the world differently. Modernity, and its concept of change as not only a possible and a desirable thing, but an inherent but shapeable characteristic of the human condition, was just coming on the radar.
2) Easy cheap example, but look at da Vinci talking helicopters. No one but unimaginative dreamers thinks the world will actually pan out like Star Trek *or* Blade Runner, or whatever. But I think the last fifty years of spec-fi shows a pretty strong track record of predicting the future, just shittier and without the gimmicky tech. We have PADDs but no Eugenics Wars. We have a glitteringly gritty LA (okay, that was easy) and institutionalized extrajudicial killing by the US state, but no flying cars.
3) This is partially because much greater media saturation influences people to create things. Often very different things. No one could've predicted that Elvis - random white kid walks into a recording studio to record a few Blues songs for his mom - would set off a chain leading through the Beatles, Dylan, the Velvet Underground, Punk, Post-Punk, and wind up at Nirvana. But you can trace it in retrospect.
4) And yeah, NEW WORDS PEOPLE. Futurism and Cyberpunk are both distinct historical phenomena. You can talk about how they're influencing the present, but they are not the present.
What are they? Cyberpunk most of you probably already are pretty familiar with or you wouldn't be ITT. Futurism is
>>8460371 Except no, people quite often want to push boundaries, or feel outside their time and so, naturally and unaffectedly, want to dress outside it.
Lots of people do want to just look and be normal, but we all know the lines about who progress depends on, etc.
>>8460388 I get what you mean, like the obnoxious, pointless idea of smart watches that is just not going to happen in present form, but what will affect the clothes people wear if not technology? General social and life changes? What's been the #1 driver of those?
Another thing would be just how it's already happening. Lots of jackets have (unobtrusive) cable passthroughs on the pockets. And back in the early Aughts, when Acronym was just a consulting house, Errolson Hugh did a jacket for Burton with an integrated Minidisc player/recorder and controls woven into the sleeve. Now, post-iPhone, there's Forcelock (magnets in the collar to secure earbuds/IEMs when you're not using them) and Gravity Pockets, to interface more seamlessly with a modular, upgradeable piece of tech. Just like we didn't ditch the Palm Pilot, the Nokia, the Canon Powershot - we turned them into one little device that even super-traditional companies fit a pocket for on their pants.
So yeah, why don't we get started thinking out the new words here? I'd love to see if /fa/ has any more thoughts than just all mine towards a definition and name of RFN.
(I'm also the longwinded guy upthread.)
>>8460472 I've heard mixed reviews from people I know who have them - they change slow, etc. But most of them seem to reup when they change glasses.
Personally, not being able to control it would bug me.
>>8460499 This is the kind of thing to just look around on. Tons of people make side pocket flap cargo pants, and you're bound to find one you also like a lot. Worst, cheapest case scenario? Buy military fatigues and take them to a tailor.
i'm pretty excited for graphene when the graphene 'boom' comes in i'm just guessing that graphene will be spread from smartphone interior => to exterior of it (a cell thick of graphene can be made clear and looks like glass) and graphene can conduct very well under certain circumstances other than that, graphene is strong so i just can't wait what the big guys are going to do with the substance, so much is being invested in it, though right now nothing is being innovated i can't wait till' theres graphene clothing or something similar, i wonder what it'll be like whether its good or bad
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