is it possible without spending a fuckton of money // on a low budget?
these look ok, if you are on the budget
Of course it's possible with any style but it's stupid because you'll get a shitty poorly made awfully designed product. It's especially dumb with techwear because the whole point of techwear is to keep you dry/warm/cool whatever you need at the time being but with a cheap alternative to something like Arc'teryx it's not going to do any of that. My Torrentshell keeps me from getting soaking but after like 20 minutes in the rain I'll be damp. It's really up to you if you want just the look sure go for cheap but of you want to actually stay dry and warm pay the extra money.
I really need to make a copypasta/infographic on this someday, but yes.
One big problem is the utter lack of definition of the problem: "techwear on a budget" completely leaves out what you're going to ask of the clothes and what kind of budget we're talking. It could mean anything from "I need to survive the Polar Vortex and I can spange up about $10 a day, plz halp," to "I'm climbing Everest but I know I'm going to blow all my money on liquor in first class, do I really need a Dually or can I just get a Solo?"
>the whole point of techwear is to keep you dry/warm/cool whatever you need at the time
Really? That's the main thing you ask of your clothes? "Please keep me dry?"
I have to run, but there's so much more to this; one thing there is not is a checklist.
Nearly anything Patagonia > nearly anything TAD, aesthetically.
The Torrentshells are a good entry level HS; Marmot's are usually more breathable and less plain, but the Torrentshells are fine.
>Nearly anything Patagonia > nearly anything TAD, aesthetically.
TAD is probably the most, so worst, play-pretend "operator" brand.
Functionally it's all great, but why the fuck would you want to throw your image in with the violent enforcers of a dreary and declining but omnipresent empire?
I see cops and soliders enough around the city. I don't want to see them in DSM or whereever.
I haven't really read through DD since the guy revised it, but at least the original version seemed liable to trip people up in exactly the error you're talking about, and from skimming it the revised version doesn't seem to fix that much.
I'll post more on this later; right now I really have to run.
Well, I guess that's kinda the thing; is that I'm not sure I even really have a style. I mostly dress in basic tees with jeans and some form of trainer, desert boot or chelsea boots. Colours I wear are mostly black, grey, white, navy and darker greens. The only jackets or coats I own are a charcoal duffle coat and a black leather jacket. Not much of my wardrobe is particularly practical or functional so I guess that's why techwear has attracted me.
man this is an issue I really struggle with. I'm a big fan of the style but have nowhere near the funds to pull it off without looking like a tryhard fuccboi. o well, I can just wait until I'm in a more financially stable position and see if I'm still feeling it then.
I just finished up replacing my last bit of denim with Slim Dungarees from Outlier.
These things are so goddamn comfortable, it's ridiculous.
can anyone rec any low budget versions of the attached jacket which is dope. ass. fuck.
Or live in a climate that it works well in. I live in Colorado and most techwear brands work very well here. But yeah if you drive everywhere there is literally no point in driving techy
Outlier is the shit and you IS my nigga.
Although my only items thus far are x2 pair Keirin Cut, Navy and Black.
Unfortunately Keirin Cut has been discontinued. I may try Weird Guy fit chinos next.
yooooo you niggas wanna help me out?
i just started working from home so i wanna put together a few comfy/tech fits.
can i get some comfy 3/4 pants, soft top layers, comfy ass tech shoes, and a comfy ass hoody?
i really like a lot of maharishis stuff. would the sno wear stuff be comfy?
When I first learned about Acronym, it confused me. Obviously a lot about it its garments does take from military wear, but it seemed essentially different from tacticool wear, and Errolson Hugh, the designer, seemed/s to have his politics in the right place, pic related (tee is FPAR, "HOW TO BE AN ANARCHIST.
It took me a while to think and feel through, and it came to something like this: where TAD and its ilk has an aesthetic of enforcement and order, smooth surfaces and clean lines, Acronym has an aesthetic of resistance and underground rebellion, dense with deep pockets, and also a tongue in its cheek and nerves in its fingers. Check the catalog copy for that jacket:
>We're not hunters, but we appreciate the reduced audio signature of this hunting specific Gore-Tex® microfiber fabric with Paclite® product technology. Its exterior face is soft to the touch, and it's slick interior backer glides over your inner layers smooth and silent.
Translation: "We don't kill things, guys, and we know you're the type who might not like it if we did. But check how awesome this fabric is!" Maybe all clothes, but at least the very best clothes, are fundamentally about the experience of wearing them. Acronym/Errolson gets that, is all about it - he's just a nerd who got into clothes, who's fond of comparing fashion designers to architects, like his parents. And he makes clothes for the real daily life of other affable design nerds and culture workers, with, again, a tongue in his cheek. The copy for a different blazer reads:
>Civilized enough for a bank loan. Comfortable enough for the JFK long-haul. Stylish enough for your supermodel girlfriend. Tough enough for pretty much everything else. DS-J5 is a blazer that's had any and all blazer-type baggage surgically removed and replaced with the best that art and science can offer. Feels like a million Euros. Costs slightly less."
There's an element of fantasy here, but this is fashion we're talking about. It runs on fantasy, and/but that's also pretty much Errolson's real life.
Versus the copy for the Stealth:
>A durable, all weather, all season softshell designed to conquer all.
>Our Stealth Hoodie LT is the best outer layer for prolonged exposure to the elements during high-activity. A technically-advanced performance softshell, the Stealth Hoodie LT provides a breathable and waterproof barrier.
"To conquer all," ew, and then a bunch of yawn. (One problem for the critic here is how dry and worse at illuminating the clothes TAD's catalog copy is. Check their about page for extra cringe, but that's pretty much how TAD makes me feel: disgusted and bored depending on what part of it I'm looking at.)
Besides all that, Acronym is also situated in the longstanding Western tradition of deriving menswear features from military garments. TAD is part of a much newer thing, the marketing of non-milspec/surp tactical apparel to civilians.
This is as good a point as any to talk about this: I draw an important distinction between the military and the militaristic*. Militaries, whatever the political reservations I have with their masters, often contain great, serious (versus self-serious, like TAD) people and many virtues that are universally admirable: Competence. Dedication. Solidarity.
The *militaristic* is the virus-triggered cancer that near(?) every developed society is dealing with, that grows when the martial DNA is removed from its context and is applied to civil society. The military/martial mindset is tremendously useful in a high-stakes, low-margin environment where people are trying to kill you but you ned to kill them first to achieve some pivotal goal. That is nothing like what civilian life is like for most people most of the time, and to the extent it is, it represents a failure of the long aspirations of civil society.
Besides its inapplicability, along with those universal virtues, it imports others that are toxic to those aspirations: callousness, disregard for the Other, self-denial, hierarchy. And, on mall/boutique operators, it *cannot* import some of the most vital and good: risk, courage, solidarity, self-sacrifice. Elitism - never any noblesse oblige or humble pride, always the unwarranted sense of superiority. No one gets dressed to be a 12K; they get dressed to be a dark-gray 18Z in Delta Force, a killer in a precarious existence, without ever having to shed blood or contend with any more precarity than the average schmuck buying a $475 rain jacket. They try to get at that bargain price a whole life that is not theirs, but since it *must* be shorn of everything that could possibly make it matter, they wind up with nothing.
Like, look at it this way: an M4 belongs on a battlefield; I don't need to see a fat dude in full ACU with one staring me down as I turn a corner in a winding staircase leaving the subway, or cops positioned outside turnstiles demanding to search my bag before I get on. The M4 and the K-9 are empty security theatre with no real purpose but creating fear and the impression of power and turning cities into garrisons and prisons. (Also, FTR, "an M4 belongs on a battlefield" is not meant as a statement about civilian ownership or w/e, calm down /k/.)
*Something more definitional I wrote for another thread a while back: "1) militarism, as distinct from the military - the worship of the military and the takeup of martial values, the mindset of combat, etc. by civil society. And 2) the allied cult of toughness and performance and forced elitism, yoked by the idea of militarism that "tactical" represents the highest standard of human excellence."
/out for the night, post more tomorrow.
>tfw obscene quads but small waist
>find out about outlier trousers
>the keirin cuts, which fit larger legs w/ smaller waists, are discontinued
>climbers or slim dungarees would encase my thighs like sausages
I work in a cheap-clothing shop, i've dressed these mannequins myself. Whole outfit is about less than 100 Euros.
Arc'teryx's core market is fashion. They can't alienate the mountain climbers, but that's not where they make their money. Columbia, on the other hand? Nobody buys Columbia to look cool.
On that note, what the hell do you people do to your shells to make the waterproofing fail? I've never had this problem, and I don't baby my jackets. Probably bike in them and sweat your ass off and wonder why "waterproof breathable" isn't magic.
Those are the edgiest Palladiums I've ever seen.
There are infinitely nicer boots out them (not to mention ones with actual tech, not just canvas and rubber), but get them, I suppose, if you are on a budget, since Palladiums don't usually cost much.
I literally walked to work in light rain and the tshirt I was wearing underneath was damp when I got there. I was exposed to light rain for maybe 30 minutes. I don't expect much out of it since it's cheap and I new it wouldn't compare to a shell that is even $100 more dollars. As for Arc'teryx being mostly interested in fashion I have no idea where you go that idea. Sure Veilance is definitely geared to the luxe high end fashionable crowd, but that is just one of their lines not the entire brand. Everything else is very focused on actual outdoor life camping, trekking, climbing.
Selling $500 jackets to hikers is not a viable business model. Selling $500 jackets to yuppies who want to look like mountain climbers definitely is. The occasional hiker with a sponsorship or a trust fund buys them too.
Where do you live. I'm in Colorado and i see a lot of people in the usual basic cheap stuff TNF, Patagonia, Columbia, Marmot. But there are also a lot of people who I can tell are seriously into climbing and all that who wear much more expensive stuff like Arc'teryx and Mountain Headwear none of them are dressing techwear or anything either they buy these more expensive jackets because theu know they work and do what they say and are willing to pay the extra money.
:+1: hit the nail on the head. You essentially hit the nail on the head with this. Sums up my feels about acrnm and errolson pretty closely. This is why I'm so drawn to Errolson's brand, I don't feel like I'm buying a piece of clothing but rather a piece of this universe he's created.
I'd say a good amount of their cash comes from LEO and military contracts.
that said the Alpha jacket is still awesome
I would beg to differ I mean one shell isn't going to act completely different in a city vs in the mountains they built them to be versatile. They are different though from line to libe. Veilance was started so Arc'teryx could experiment and use materials and coatings they couldn't use on their mainline or leaf because it simply wouldn't leave room for profit. The Veilance line is not just expensive because it can be, but because they use a much higher level of craftsmanship compared to other lines, a whole different level of material and coating, but lastly and most important in my eyes Aesthetics that people who just buy Arc'teryx for its utility aren't looking for. This all culminates to make beautiful extremely well made pieces.
I'll try again, should i get black or green? I kinda want black but I'm afraid I can't pull it offf w/o looking mallninja
Dumping some stuff in effort to try and revive this thread.
Where does wearable tech come in? Can it be pulled off or is it autismcore?
I ride. I bought this earlier in the year, initially for commuting (jumped from 14km to 38km daily).
Not sure about the jacket, but it says tnf, Levi's commuter cargos, a nike free run etc. will probably do for recreating the shoe and I'd reccommend a bagjack bag.
On another note, will google glass ever be /fa/?
I don't care why they started veilance. What matters is the end result which happened to be a line with complete focus on the urban life style and living under urban conditions, adapting both the material and most of all, the style to just that. The arc'teryx mainline isn't marketed as a high end fashion brand with elegant designs, it's all about the function of the clothes. Just look at their YouTube channel and you'll see what I'm talking about, because everything there is arc'teryx in a nutshell. These clothes were never made to be worn as a daily outwear for just going out, they were made to be able to handle the most harsh conditions and if you bought an arc'teryx jacket for a grand and never use it for its intention, you're fucking stupid, and arc'teryx would agree with that. That's why they made the veilance brand, so people who don't need all that shit don't need to waste their money on extremely durable but also bland looking clothing covered in big logos and in stead buy something that is adapted to the right environment both in terms of style and utility
Apparently I am regular enough on these threads now?
I am probably the Outlier and Aether guy you're talking about, but I only have one Aether jacket.
Everything else I own is from Bonobos.
Talking about this picture?
>mfw I dressed like this 14 years ago because of dark angel
I ride, 250-350 km/wk.
Giro New Road and MW are my top picks for casual bikewear. Chrome is a bit cheaper, but too much black and the branding is a bit more prominent than I would like. I don't own any of Levi's commuter series but it seems like a good option too. Rapha is wayyy overpriced don't bother.
Pic is similar to my race bike, except mine has SRAM Force, Ksyrium Elite wheelset, and the lettering is black not red.