Where to cop avant-garde dadcore for men that would not make me look like clown from sz? I have degree in music, but I am not supposed to wear blacktie to every event or recital, mine or somebody's else.
I actually know a lot of designers that do female version of this, pic related, for example.
Also, I still don't know, if there is a golden middle between classic black derby/oxford and average high-fashion footwear label like Guidi.
I considered that, but they are more fashion as art instead of fashion as something you would wear right from runway. Also, Thom Browne and, for example, black fleece are not quite what I would like to wear, cause those are too simple.
And yes, I like Rick FW11 Limo, while that stuff is not simple yet not very... "academical".
And again, I have seen that already many times, and female version is nothing even slightly related to my op-pic.
Why would they want to express their opinion on a subject they are not acknowledged if they fail to understand simple statements which has no unnecessary words? It is not my fault term "avant-garde" in minds of most posters here is described like some drapey black extra-length clothing with chunky boots and a hood, bonus points if on an aznqt(tm).
Well, I will follow up with a few more pictures of what I would like to find in male equivalent.
Schneider is boring. As mentioned above I like Dries and own some pieces. Raf is only good if old. MMM is not that. I have no personal appeal to Helmut. And yet I also like Jil, both new and old.
I really want to find something less common than all those.
>Schneider is boring
>Likes Dries who has built his entire careerer on just rehashing the same shit
>Likes Jil who also does the same
Doing something all over and over again makes good results sometimes and is called consistency. And yes, I can argue on that (yet would not like), but old Jil is not current Jil.
Consistency (Schneider for example always having a strong textile game)=/= rehashing (Dries spamming his floral prints every day of the year)
Still like Dries though.
[3/3] Yet it is one of a kind in that collection.
Yohji along with Thom and Margiela are first to come in mind, and I am not really fond of.
Inb4 someone posts Demeulemeester and McQueen and this thread would have all the "mematic" designers.
Every suggestion in the thread has been perfectly valid so far and you've posted pics from other "common" designers so stop with this wannabe patrician tone you faggot.
Anyway check out Peir Wu.
>spamming floral every day of the year
But just every day of half of a year, ss14, you gotta check his old collections. Prints are cool, so why not?
I don't see any interesting detail (it is nice in general), that I may not see on any other designer or not-designer coat, that is why I find it boring. We may argue on that too, but this thread is not really about whose designer's dick has strongest textile game.
Subtlety is an art form anon. How can you not find beautiful and intricately designed textiles avant-garde yet Dries's regurgitated prints are suddenly cutting edge?
>I don't see any interesting detail
Just seems to me that you're desperate to appear like a special snowflake instead of actually being interested in fashion itself. For shame anon , for shame.
Oh inb4 get off Schneider's dick , just using him as a medium to articulate my thoughts on you clamoring for attention.
[4/3] Also Qiuhao
Took note on that, thank you. Dont like your very pic, but others on his site seem nice and has that extra detailing I've been aiming for.
It is what it is.
I just don't want to wear black tie or "GQ"-menswear, that's it, and it came to I know a lot of example in women's fashion, yet very few for men. No need to be pretentious for both of us, yet when you decide to dress in designer clothing, you're a bit of a snowflake compared to people that surround you, isn't it?
Could at least wiki her dude
>No need to be pretentious for both of us, yet when you decide to dress in designer clothing, you're a bit of a snowflake compared to people that surround you, isn't it?
Being a snowflake to factors out of your control =/= Desperately trying to be one and ending up as a piss soaked snowman
Just wear clothing you like that has all the details you like instead of trying to catch shreds of the avant-garde from people that try to loosely define it and you'll be fine.
Try Siki Im and Walter Van Beirendonck as well.
avant-garde, in so far as its definition as innovative and dadcore, being defined as stodgy and conservative, are diametrically opposed.
you seem to throw buzzwords and 'cores' around without understanding what the fuck they actually mean. typical fuccboi.
The problem is I like those small details, but don't know where to get them. Also, looked closer to Peir Wu, not very much to be honest, but liked those tuxedo-like jackets from last collection. Now checking Beirendonck and Siki.
So, Siki is interesting, yet their style varies from season to season. Was not familiar with Beirendonck except I knew he is part of Antwerp six, but I guess he is more of pop-art?
Now gotta check Kane, Bless and Vibskov. Lemaire does boring male stuff too, I actually posted one of his female things ITT, you may see above.
Also, as this thread goes, I can describe what I want to see a bit more - a fit, that is acceptable in front of a grandpiano in a chamber music hall for 21 century, but that would not fall under "basic, yet superior".
I can imagine seeing
and my picrelated (at most, in a very-very chamber music hall). Rick lacks that consistency too.
Basic yet superior is an absolutely atrocious amalgamation of aspects and traits. Honestly it just sounds like you're striving for an ideal that doesn't exist and it reeks and exudes insecurity and numerous other armchair psychology labels that I lack the will to lazily throw at you.
I rec'd those brands because I assumed you would have the necessary knowledge and insight to you find pieces from a range of designers that when combined could help you build this non-existent and if you excuse the pun , scantily clad utopia that you've failed at building.
Guess I was wrong and it looks like you're just another poser who doesn't actually care for or have the slightest bit of passion for the fashion.
>Honestly it just sounds like you're striving for an ideal that doesn't exist
>you're just another poser
I really don't want to be a poser, don't be disappointed in me. But I guess with my attitude I currently am. What I don't like that those collections (and pieces, obviously) you have introduced to me have no following support, not that many designers do slightly different = very similar pieces from season to season, unless it is a diffusion line. So time passes, pieces become unavailable and you spend time on finding something similar.
And I can clearly see the continuation of the things established several years ago from female designers in pictures I posted (Lemaire, Qiuhao, Colangelo). You can expect them not to give up on their style when new collection is released.
Designers always do something different but it can be hard to see the underlying consistent style they entomb in their work if you're not familiar with them which is what I think has happened here. Stop glancing over them and delve into them instead and you'll find what you're looking for.
But yeah I can't really help you until you both narrow your scope and expand your perception of design in general because you seem caught up in a net right now that has limited your field of view and doomed to you grab at the dreams trapped in your peripheral vision.
Break the net anon.
Tear it apart and reconstruct its frayed edges into the garment you desire and deserve.