Let's have a polite discussion about the ethics of garment manufacturing.
I'm a hard-libertarian, by-the-way; the non-innitiation of force/violence principle.
>This is on-topic, janitors.
the worst thing is uneducated consumers that settle for shit tier quality for better prices
as long as people honor contracts, everything's good
don't be desperate and sign away your freedom
and don't protect companies that dishonor their contracts
>asking materialist teenagers to discuss ethics
Game over, man. Game over.
>I'm a hard-libertarian
There is no absolute truth, no final solutions to the question of the human condition, and you have adopted an ideology that claims there is.
Though the people who make clothes do so willingly, they really have no other realistic choice, thus it is immoral. No matter what the libertarians spout about "well they CHOSE to work for us!" When your options are shit, more shit, and even more shit, you choose the elast amount of shit.
they can work in gray markets and subvert the government/companies
they can migrate. i rather be a non-state person. i'd get to have no political obligations, like taxes and military service. i'd have to take care of myself, though.
i know there are less choices, but there are choices.
i also believe in a higher-power. and the faith to walk away from immoral choices and hope to be rewarded for that in some way.
but yeah, it's not perfect but i rather move towards freedom and peace than control and violence.
>they can migrate
All 7 billion people do not have the option to migrate to the US and EU.
>I also believe in a high power, thus they will be rewarded
If you have no proof of its existence, you are simply making an excuse for immoral actions with no attempt to help. If you do have proof of both its existence AND its justice system, then you are still allowing immoral behaviors to continue on the planet that he created.
It is ethical. The choice is between poor working conditions or no working conditions. People in these countries chose to work. This helps them in the long run, as income flows into the country which will help develop it.
people want to work
just as long as they can quit and leave, i see no problem
i also think violence is justified if they are made to stay by force … which is kidnapping and slavery
in the old testament there is a thing called jubilee. it legalizes slavery by contract but everyone is freed after 7 years and all debts are forgiven. why cant the jews abide by their own laws?
try 50 years
>In Judaism the Jubilee Year is currently not observed in modern times because it only applies when representatives of all twelve tribes have returned to Israel and a majority of the world's Jews live in the Land.
On the one hand, bringing industries into developing countries can raise the standard of living in those countries, but on the other hand, this shift in production reduces domestic job opportunities. Plus, if regulations are lax in the developing nations, things such as the 2013 Savar building collapse can occur (among a host of other, smaller tragedies). I think that as consumers we should be knowledgeable about the industry so that we can make informed choices about the products we buy. That said, since I'm not particularly libertarian, I also think that the government is an ideal tool to enforce standards so that garment workers in developing countries aren't subjugated in the worst conditions.
Also (and slightly off topic), I think the fast fashion industry is a serious burden to the environment. A pair of jeans costs an average of 10,850 liters of water to produce from cotton farm to final product. This is true whether the jeans last a month or ten years. There needs to be cheap clothing options, but I think that we need to break the "trend of the week" cycle in fashion, and that we need to learn how to repair things.
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that people in these factories work not only for shit money, but also under shit conditions. Thousands of people died not too long ago when a factory building in Bangladesh collapsed. They also get sick because those factories aren't built for that kind of manufacture. Those rooms are fucking overheated and the working conditions are often unbearable.
I've done a voluntary year in a small NGO that deals with stuff like this, and I have learned that there are options you have as a consumer. FairTrade products are getting bigger, at least in Germany, and you can always buy from second hand clothing stores.
Anyway, this shit is as unethical as many other production/manufacturing processes, it just seems to be the most relevant one.
>buy ultra lux everything
>never worry about the ethics of what you're wearing
feels gud m90
I don't oppose it, because if all textile manufacturing were done in the West not only would the prices be higher, but it would be depriving the 3rd world of chances to develop.
The only advantage the developing world has over the West is cheap labor. Yes the jobs garment workers have suck, but its only through those jobs that a middle class will rise, other industries will spawn, and wages will eventually rise.
In about 100 years things will be better, whats going on in Asia right now is exactly the same as the industrial revolution in Europe.
It's called globalization, look it up.
Try to comprehend living as a Chinese peasant farmer with a life expectancy of 40 years, that was only half a century ago. Bless these 1st world gender study ethical privileged faggots that criticize countries still in the midst of industrialization.
>I'm citing a study
No you're not, you made a claim(which may or may not be true, i've no issue with the claim) and someone said it didn't make sense. Then you claim to be citing a study, without providing the study itself or any reference to it at all.
If you want your claim to be backed up by any study, provide a source for said study.
And why wouldn't they, when the average consumer pretty much just buys wherever it's cheapest? If the mindset of the vast majority of consumers is to buy as cheap as possible they're going to get it, ethics goes out the window at that point.