So, I'm nonbinary, assigned male at birth, and I've been trouble building androgynous looks that aren't too drag-queeny. So far its a lot of my girlfriend's jeans and oversized open front hoodies. Does any one have any pictures of men repping androgynous/feminine looks that would be acceptable in a casual work environment? The pic is of me in a feminine androgynous outfit that I wore to work one time. Thanks y'all.
if you want to dress like a woman just wear womens clothing. generally speaking, "androgynous" looks are mens-style clothing worn on people who look sort of gender indeterminate. its hard for dudes who look manly to do androgynous looks because their faces and bodies look manly. if you have a slight frame and girlish facial features, and wear something loose and grow out your hair, androgyny is possible. but being a dude looking like a dude and wearing womens clothing won't make you look androgynous, it'll just make you look like a crossdresser.
>assigned male at birth
I must be doing something wrong if I don't have a gf and this person does....
This person is dating a highly trained ballerina who lets him fuck boys on the side. You're doing something wrong, friend.
Sure is tumblr in here
>kill yourself OP
Just because some delusional nutjob is narcissistic enough to think their hormonal bullshit is worth redefining not only the English language over, but also centuries of scientific knowledge does not mean we ought to do so. There is no regard this absurd type of thinking with anything other than an eye roll.
>sex and gender are inextricably connected
They are connected
But someone can choose to not be identified with being male or female. Still doesn't change the fact that they are in fact male or female.
>post op trannies
>not beautiful pre op
Critical hit! It's super effective
>Your brain is not gendered
>Gender identity is "one's internal, personal sense of being a man or woman (or a boy or a girl)
and if it's different from your sex, you're mentally ill, it's that simple really
you lack everything: education, intelligence, the ability to think critically and from an independent standpoint, because you're a 5'2 textbook tumblr special snowflake toadface asian who wears tape around one of his boots as a tribute to a shitty character (who, surprise surprise, was also a textbook special snowflake) from a shitty movie, who probably describes himself as a 'feminist' on his social media accounts, - you just cant think clearly, especially on this topic
I know /fa/ was a pretty normie board but Jesus Christ OP how the fuck did you even end up 4chan? what board do you browse to not get constantly attacked for your awful spelling and tumblresque beliefs? is it /co/ or something? l've never been there, maybe /mu/? regardless fuck off to /tumblr/ or /lgbt/ or something.
I just read through the thread a little and people are ACTUALLY arguing whether gender is binary or not. J E S U S. C H R I S T. this is 4chan people, 4CHAN.
Stuff that fits real tight, or women's clothes in colors that aren't "girly" (so no pinks, bright purples, pale yellows, etc.) The latter is basically what you're wearing in your OP pic. How hard is it to cop a few more things like that?
Why are you talking about shit you have
1. no experience of
2. no knowledge of
1 is clear, I say 2 because, in the literature (critical theory, philosophy), the majority accept that both race and gender are social kinds, not natural kinds. Honestly the question now is eliminativism vs. preservationism, whether we should remove our thought and talk about these concepts. This is really the case, your position is akin to saying Shakespeare is a bad author, maybe you can throw a few shitty points together but.just... anyone who is serious about the subject will just feel like Dawkins to a creationist.
have some brevity you disgusting degenerate fuck. You can read shit all day but it will never make you not wrong. You are wrong. your world view is wrong. your entire reality is fucked up stupid and you will never progress as a human being until you grow up and accept youre wrong. dead wrong. i award you no points fuck you and die.
OP got laughed out of 4chan how embarrassing.
Law is also a social construct. Law is the defining aspect of civilization. Morality is also a social construct, as the universe itself is nihilistic.
if you say you can pull your wacky mentally ill tumblr gender shit on the basis that gender is a social construct and is inherently not right, you're also saying that law and morality can be defied just as easily with the same justification.
Fuck off, degenerate.
you're a fucking idiot
gener is a syn. for sex
it's not a cultural construct, it's biological you fucing lib tard
go cry about how i own guns, and that scares you.
and how you have no money and want to tax me to fund you bullshit projects
I think it would be constructive here to tell you that I am actually laughing.
There is no scientific basis for race or gender.You're some big proponent of "straightforwardness" right? How's this for straightforward: this is actually empirical, if you're so bad at thinking that you can't fathom that in huge amounts of texts there are arguments that race and gender have no real ontological basis, then okay, sucks for you and I hope you do well in whatever career you end up in that doesn't require critical thinking, that you never come into contact with any kind of thinking because it'll stress you out instead of maybe revealing something about yourself and how much you cling to your opinions based on nothing but their history of 'being yours' [oh boy I bet you read this long-run on sentence and think "wow this guys trying so hard to sound good" rather than "this is pretty poorly written" anyway back to like 50 words ago], but this is science. I could list a bunch of articles but as you can see by the previous sentence I don't give that much of a shit about this, you lack the ability of self-development, this is actually for someone else, but for just one against at least a genetic basis for race is "The Apportionment of Human Diversity" by Lewontin, 1972. There are more against genetics, and there are more against all other assumed designators of race (somatic markers, geographical origin..)
>gener is a syn. for sex
That isn't even archaic, the sex-gender distinction has been around in places from like 30k years ago hahahah Adovasio, J. M., Olga Soffer, & Jake Page, The Invisible Sex: Uncovering the True Roles of Women in Prehistory (Smithsonian Books & Collins (HarperCollinsPublishers), 1st Smithsonian Books ed. 2007 (ISBN 978-0-06-117091-1)), p.  (dat wiki citation tho)
I accept that a common quality of libertarians is some ridiculously irrational open-mindedness to the point where if someone said seriously theyd be like "wow u so strong", but thats better than the predominant, irrational arrogance that pervades the anti-libertarian sphere, that somehow manages to combat all reason for even the smallest of things as soon as it learns they're labelled as 'libertarian'.
ARGUES DUDE. argued. hahahahah. You realise the scientific method is based on fucking argument too? Some guy wrote in a book this one time: the universe will behave as it did in the past, so use this thing called induction. Jesus christ I hate those mongoloid extreme libertarians but at least they accidentally accept stuff that's been well proved rather than you fucks. Delusion surpassed only by creationists
I love all this projecting. I'm actually a proud gun owner and a tax payer, but keep trying to make everyone fit your little preconceived notions. Sex is biological fact there is no getting around that, gender on the other hand is the behavior associated with sex. Male is not a gender, neither is female.
You're an actual retard.
I have feeling when you typed this you thought you were being really clever. Your trite understanding of what exactly a social construct is the gravity of that is a little embarrassing
>Law is also a social construct. Law is the defining aspect of civilization. Morality is also a social construct, as the universe itself is nihilistic.
>if you say you can pull your wacky mentally ill tumblr gender shit on the basis that gender is a social construct and is inherently not right, you're also saying that law and morality can be defied just as easily with the same justification.
Do you even know what you're trying to say? Was this supposed to be some sort of actual argument?
if that's her, the turnout on her left leg is fucking shit and she's got some seriously fucked shoulder/arm/hand posture
if that's not her, get better at finding photo representation of your "highly trained ballerina" girlfriend.
I am suffering from the argument from argument fallacy, all I'm doing is explainging these positions briefly, and saying: look this shit is in books, you can read this shit, there's more argument in those, go fucking look motherfucker. Contrary to you which is just saying "na its not".
Your post was shit and its the reaosn this fucks are so up themselves, you're not saying anything. "You're an actual retard" "Do you even know what you're trying to say?" it's just counter-productive
HAHAHAHA what the fuck you are born either a male or a female not a transgender whale dragon kin, fuck off back to tumblr faggot
A mentally handicapped person
I actually have a post that he himself made that supports my statement. Also, I was referring more to my stance on the difference between gender and sex.
Ill be making a thread about androgynous theory at the same time you started this thread but tomorrow. despite what derailing has gone on it is a common question with clear answers. You must remember that we are on 4chan and SJW mods took over ~5months ago, the reaction your receiving is essentially backlash against that coupled with 'edgy' 4chan outrage
>mfw I've been spending time on this shit in the hopes one of these anti sex-gender distinction bitches would actually start a proper argument, and they haven't said anything but "no you're wrong" yet
Haha okay that was a little funny
> I was referring more to my stance on the difference between gender and sex
Yeah, and I was implying that what your post achieved more was the other position, igy though
Look forward to it, I do worry though because you said "clear answers", you gotta watch that shit: presenting it as a truth stark against what they thinkwill rattle the egos of these guys and just make more pure backlash rather than consideration (although from what I've seen today that happens whatever you say).
> presenting it as a truth stark against what they thinkwill rattle the egos of these guys and just make more pure backlash rather than consideration (although from what I've seen today that happens whatever you say).
*tips trigender biqueer cottonkin fedora*
I am really offended
I was just gonna leave it as a joke like that, but here's another cute little psychological insight: if you happened to be on our side, you probably would be offended. So far all you've done it get outraged at the suggestion that somethings different to the way you think it is. You hold these positions far too close to your self. I did some philosophy for some primary school kids and even they understood to not get hung up on something, that it's fine to switch however many times you feel that a new argument sways you. You're not listening to any argument, I can just say this outright but I can add something on to: because you're not replying with any argument. You're the fuccboi of thinking.
damn I wrote a reply to you, but then realized it's pointless to talk to someone like you
you're just a poor, mentally ill creature
so I'm just gonna call you a whoreson faggot and hope you dont breed
this isnt newton, I'm not suggesting gravity doesn't exist, this isnt as clear cut as a physical phenomenon. This is psychological, a branch of science which is quite new to the world, a branch where research has only been created in the last century. To claim that gender difference has been apart of our society for the last 30,000 years doesn't mean its ethically justifiable. The same way that infidelity has been apart of the human condition since our beginning doesn't make it ethically justifiable. We have improved as a society, what sense is it retreating to thinking like cave men. just because it's the way it was does not mean that its the way it should be.
I was stating there are clear methods to pull off an androgynous look.
lol get a load of this guy and his unfalsifiable bullshit
how about we discuss this in straightforward terms without the cloak of rhetoric.
if gender is merely a social construct, you shouldn't need physical surgery or medication to alter it.
diagnosing 'gender dysphoria' and prescribing a sex change is treating a symptom instead of the illness. if you're depressed, dysfunctional & suicidal, I guess you'd decide something needs to be done, but what makes you think changing your body to become a girl will fix it? spoiler: it won't.
Excuse you motherfucker, my gender is TransGNU or GNU/Gender or GNU plus Gender
My gender pronouns are "free/frees/freem" or "fre/fres/frem" (in order to avoid confusion with the other definition of the word "free")
Being TransGNU means I identify as a freedom respecting gender: everyone has the right to the four essential gender freedoms:
0. Freedom to identify your gender as you wish.
1. Freedom to modify the gender as you wish.
2. Freedom to redistribute the gender as you wish (allowing your peers to identify as the gender, too)
3. Freedom to redistribute any modifications to the gender you make as you wish (allowing your peers to identify as your modified gender)
My gender is licensed under the GPLv3 license.
>he's partly a girl and has still more beard growth than me
you turbocucks have been trolled out of this fucking galaxy holy shit
how autistic do you have to be to get fired up over OP's post? jesus christ
Could you get a trip so I can filter you?
>Haha everyone will appreciate how fucking awesome I am by quoting everyone in this thread, using the hottest memeword of 2015, and telling them they got trolled
I don't say this lightly: go back to fucking reddit. You are way too desperate for attention on this board.