new popular zoolander 2 promo at runway video, typical youtubers are exposed to fashion and share opinions
>"High fashion" eludes me. Interchangeable eastern european robotic women with pouty faces showing off ugly dresses.
>These girsl look like young, thin boys. Says something about the fashion industry... East european womans are gorgeous if they are well fed. this is just non sense
>lmao right! I mean it won't hurt if some of these designers would have their models smile so they look like they are actually enjoying what they are wearing! Also I never see plus size models anywhere.
>Maybe the clothes they were wearing made them all look ugly or something.
>I would make them much nicer clothes and then people would say things differently. Thy were just being treated like cows, deliberately and going to fast all one after the other.
>Just one black model and she's at the end of the line?
>"tits" . Man those girls are so skinny :(
>Oh yeah, thank you for the FLAT CHEST, dude...
>The real outfits of the models look terrible. These fashion shows are pointless. Why do they attract the attention they get?
>+BayviewFinch it's really sad to me that you think so! That you cannot see that they are clearly underweight, or think they look healthy.
>I'm sorry, but there's more to this world than being really-really good looking.
>I understand clothes design is an art but do people ever wear this crap?
>I'd be afraid to be close to any of those models, because I might break them on accident. They look like they're made of thin, brittle pvc pipes that have been painted flesh tone.
>the hot girls that walk later, look like robots to me dressed in clothing
>Is it just me or have runway models really gotten ugly?
holy shit why does this make me so mad?
>going to a fashion show to ogle the models
They're there to present the clothing without any influences like big breasts or thick thighs.
Just go to a high dollar strip club if you want that shit.
Actually it could be nice to see some of the dress on more curvacious model.
Sewing a dress for a ironboard chick is easy mode, managing to make something decent looking and perfectly fitting for a fatty is the real challenge.
I say that from a seamstress POV.
Of course being super thin is the best if you want to be fa/, as everything but form fitting slut dresses is going to look good on you.
But sometimes you want something a bit more challenging like a cow-titted grill.
Weight isn't art, the way you walk isn't art, the faces you make aren't art... You can be objective about these things, and yes I think some art forms can be "objective" such as literature, not that it matters since I don't think fashion is art to begin with.
Because skinny girls are hot and homie ain't down with the thickness.
>design isn't art
how fucking dense are you jesus christ
>design is only art when it's in the form of some abstract geometric shit
how's high school treating ya?
thats a nice assumption friend
i agree, fashion can be very beautiful and even 'artistic' just as cars, buildings, furniture... but they're primarily utilitarian products, unlike paintings, plays, sculptures... do you think potato chip packages are art? i mean, they were "designed" right?
>Implying your friends wouldn't high five you for hitting this
i think it's a bit ignorant to just say "oh fashion isn't art because it has a mainly ultilatrian purpose"
i think that doesn't do justice to the artists in the field of fashion
to say what the Comme Des Garcons camp is doing isn't art i think does that them great disservice also i don't think all fashion's primary goal or purpose is utilitarian, look at couture or really any runway fashion these aren't exactly practically designed items, they seem to be definitely aimed at aesthetics over function
>i think it's a bit ignorant to just say "oh fashion isn't art because it has a mainly ultilatrian purpose"
the fact that something isn't art doesn't mean that it can't be amazingly beautiful, intricate, artistic... it's no disservice
halloween costumes are also aimed at aesthetics over function, do you think they're art?
Where do you draw the line? What makes couture art but not clothes from Walmart? At the end of the day couture is sold and most of it is meant to be worn as well, it's just more exclusive
costuming absolutely can be art
halloween costumes ehhhh, maybe depends
the mass produced walmart tier crap, probably not
i am biased in terms of costuming as art my grandmother was a professor of costuming and what she did was absolutely without a doubt art
>*criticize his uninformed opinion of what constitutes art, infer that he has an rudimentary understanding of art, design, the creative process involved in both. Lel, what a strawman.
If you believe you're being misunderstood, defend yourself in a substantial way. don't just keep repeating "that's one hell of an assumption". you're being unnecessarily evasive and it's doing you any favors.
Most of 4chan is male, between the ages of 18 and 24, and works for small wages and/or takes classes. NEETs are slighted for a reason. Moot releases demo data all the time, educate yourself.
If she were the norm, that image wouldn't be as viral as it is. Backtrack it and you'll see it's a consistent repost not only here but practically anywhere on the internet. You're an idiot.
>demo data all the time,
how large is the sample size of people used to determine these statistics?
there's too many unknowns here, I don't feel confident about this.
my high-school art teacher (many years ago) told our class that art has to have a message/statement. obviously walmart crap doesn't have a statement because it is purely functional.
tbh i don't know if i agree with my art teacher's perspective but i wanted to share the point of view
>art has to have a message/statement
I agree, but there's more to it.
McQueen's collections, for example. They're not just intricate, bespoke clothing but they are statements as well.
>McQueen's collections, for example. They're intricate, bespoke clothing and statements as well.
i need to reread the shit i 'm writing b4 i post more often
I think by insulting everyone who doesn't join you in drinking the Kool-Ade, you are at least as much of a simpleton as they are.
Pro tip: Haute couture runway is largely a giant in-joke and you aren't in on it.
>There were those who found his picture of women with sex-doll lips and sometimes painfully theatrical costumes ugly and misogynistic.
From the little summary on style.com
His work is parodying his fashion conscious audience. He's often alluded to the impression he has of fashion industry. He's said that fashion to him is "storytelling" and all about theatrics. He didn't appear to enjoy the pretentious attitudes of his customers.
"You want me to create something edgy and sexy? Perhaps something that those wishing to flaunt their wealth would lust after? Here it is, my interpretation of the modern woman in all her vulgar glory."
the lighters *aren't* a statement, they are a tool. i suppose my teacher oversimplified. i guess going off her line of thinking, art primarily exists for its message, while non-art primarily exists for other reasons. for 'art' that is functional, i would say if the message is more important than the function, then it is truly 'art'. my use of 'message' includes just being beautiful for the sake of beauty.
what is art?????
>for 'art' that is functional, i would say if the message is more important than the function
so you agree then that fashion in general isn't an art form, since 99% of the pieces aren't deep extravagant political statements, they're just normal pretty clothes like this
i don't know, where do you draw the line between form and function? as i said a 'message' can just be beauty, so political statements aren't necessary. i think if the thought put into the form outweighs the thought put into the function then it could be 'art'. of course, you have to draw the line somewhere, and i don't feel comfortable doing that. also i don't really believe in what i am saying, i am just trying to explore this perspective
well i don't believe it either
a company can sell vegan snacks and put lots of thought into the packaging and put a vegan message on it but at the end of the day it's just a bag of chips
beauty isn't a message, it's too vague to be anything, a flat screen tv can be beautiful, it isn't art though, and neither is fashion
anons please disreguard every word this dude is spouting
it's nonsense with keywords
mcqueen was a failed tailor who resorted to theatrics to make a name for himself in costuming and sold it as haute couture to the mainstream
So one of the parameters of defining art that my fellow curators like to toss around is that it has no practical or functional value. This puts clothing and crafts in the design category (and not art), but jewelry in more of a gray area.
Is it important to declare fashion an art? The word doesn't in itself carry any value judgment. There's bad art. There's brilliant design. Etc.
>mcqueen was a failed tailor who resorted to theatrics to make a name for himself
someone's incredibly jealous, aren't they? He enjoyed enormous success and was one of the most celebrated designers of our era. what do you know about bespoke apparel?
and here you are, trying to rouse a "depressed" chick.
Plus sized fashion shows already exist, and I'm sure the designers interested in that are already involved in it. Please post a picture of something you've made before telling a layman what is and what isn't a challenge
You're still an ugly troll, sieg. Time to retire.
this thread is full of people attempting to criticize definitions of art by bringing up kitschy shit that satisfies the definition but is essentially "bad" or "tacky" or "ugly" other "negative aesthetic descriptor"
what this form of criticism fails to address is that there can be tacky or ugly art. there can be bad art. art does not have to be refined or of masterful quality (unless that's inherent to the proposed definition). no matter how you define art, you will find pieces that are undoubtedly art but that either disagree with your definition or at least your aesthetics. you have to make room for a definition of art to include "bad art". this is pretty fucking basic shit, like, art history 101 shit.
>Most of 4chan is in college
Most of 4chan is in high school. That should be extra clear based on how people choose to dress here on /fa/.