What is the strongest animal a fit and powerful human can kill in a fight to the death without any refined weapons?
You could probably take down a cheetah. They are fast, but they are built to take down baby gazelles, not big game.
Their mouths are too small to do a ton of damage to you, and their bones are very light, meaning you could probably stomp him good.
Also you can kill a wolf if you're willing to rip up your hand by shoving your fist down its throat.
They don't have a biological method for getting something out of their throat (prey are usually running AWAY from them, after all) so you can choke it to death.
You're not gonna be able to kill a fucking jaguar with a stick.
A big-cat is 10x faster than a human. It will claw you up so fast you won't be able to dodge, and you'll just end up bleeding to death.
Now 3 men with sharp sticks... they could probably kill a jaguar if they were serious.
There was one guy who fought a grizzly or something. I think his last name was Peterson?
Bit on windpipe until it passed out, caved in its face with a rock.
In a straight wrestling match you're fucked, humans win by being smart assholes
Would it be easier or more difficult to gauge out a wolfs eyes than a humans?
Cheetah runs at however many miles per hour, pounces on you from great distance, scrapes your back as youre trying to run away from instinct, or cuts your leg. you fall to the ground then it just keep charging at you till you die from bloodloss. How are you going to "stomp" an animal with fangs, claws, agility, and speed?
A stick is all you need to fend off a cheetah or Hyena
wolf goes for the legs, good luck getting your fist in its throat without it first backing off, or biting your hand so hard you cant move it.
Humans are not really that strong, we have thin flesh, bad reflexes, and no sharp claws or fangs. plus our body is upright, so it will intimidate the animal, so in most cases you can scare a larger animal off, but once we are on their level we are dead. we cant even run away, legs are incredibly slow on an average human
You guys underestimate chimps.
Primates the size of a chimp and up probably would wreck the average human no problem in a fight.
Bears, large predatory cats (lions, tigers) would be really hard to win against considering the arsenal that they posses (insane biting power, claws that specialize in tearing flesh.)
Canines like wolves probably wouldn't be as dangerous, the human just needs some skilled and strong hands to grab the canine in the right place and break its neck or something.
Cheetahs weigh like 90 pounds bro. If it rammed itself into a big guy it would end up hurting itself. Plus they gas after like 1 minute of activity and need like an hour to recuperate. Humans have some of the best endurance of the animal kingdom. Even untrained people.
>everyone is weak and frail like me.
They aren't that powerful. I saw a documentary where the big alpha male was throwing a tantrum as a display of power to the group and it could barely lift some rocks off the ground.
"A chimpanzee had, pound for pound, as much as twice the strength of a human when it came to pulling weights. The apes beat us in leg strength, too, despite our reliance on our legs for locomotion. A 2006 study found that bonobos can jump one-third higher than top-level human athletes, and bonobo legs generate as much force as humans nearly two times heavier."
this is the solution to every problem regarding bigger animals
that's actually pretty amazing. this is almost more eye opening than FPS thread... the fact that some many of us are gluttons when as a species we're capable of doing these sorts of things
a male cheetah can weigh up to 72kg
and goes at a speed of 18.055 m/s
This means it has an impact force of 1300 N
Usain bolt weighs 94kg and runs at a speed of 7.777m/s. A force of 731 N.
Just by running into you, the cheetah can give you internal hemorraghing and a legendary concussion. At the very least you will not be standing up after that. now add 4 claws at least 4 inches long on each paw sinking into you chest and crotch/quads to a force greater than an nfl linebacker and youll stand no chance.
Also, a humans endurance is useless unless we are slowly chasing animals.
you just summoned the legions of fat neckbeards who will fight with you to the last drop about endurance hunting even tho they themselves can't run to the fridge even if their life depends on it.
>10x faster than a human
Fastest human land speed is 10.35m/s
Big cat speed is then equal to 10.35x10 = 103.5
103.5m/s Big cats confirmed for having more acceleration than a 480 horse power Ferrari.
You dun goofed faggot.
I would have gouged its eyes out it something. Or stomped on it. Animals give up when they start getting hurt. They don't have the mental strength of a human.
He was bullying some scrawny nerd, big deal.
Well, seeing an apex predator running at you at 65 km/hr would prompt you to run the fuck away like a little bitch.
Assuming you are some sort of macho man who is going to have the prescence of mind to time a kick, ehm. you wont. it will be on top of you before you even raised your legs, and even if you did, it had enough balance to change directions and take you from the side. Then youd have neither the balance, direction, or power to land a meaningful kick, meanwhile the animal has already cut your calf muscles useless.
>only kills gazelle which are like 40 pounds
>small mouth and less bite force than a human
>no fucking stamina
Yeah no, all it has is rediculous speed
A cheetahs legs are powerful and strong enough to run at speeds of 65km/hr, at that speed a human would seriously injure himself/break his bones. Human legs are incredibly weak in the animal kingdom. Our specialty is endurance, not strength. Long distance, not sprints. We are weak, man.
get the fuck out of here u math NEEEEEEERD
cats rule math drools
cheetah sympathizer, go back to /an/, we'll surely stomp any and all cheetahs in the throat with our grorious quads.
as far as OP's question, the biggest animal would probably be an obese human.
Its only predators are lions iirc. It hunts more than gazelles. Weighs 72kg. Claws are sharp enough to kill you, so it doesnt matter. Sharp teeth, while humans only have 4 canines. It can bite through a human bettrr than we can bitr thrrough ourselves. It had "no stamina" because it is able to run at ridiculously high speeds. What burns more energy HIIT or long walks? The average cheetah spends more time on its feet than the averagr ameritard anyways
Yeah no, the only thing it needs is its speed*
You can't even fight an average martial artist, not even mention savage animals.
I beat up a cat my Dad had. It pissed on my laundry I had sitting on the bed. My bath towels never smell the same. I sat on it and shit squirted out of it's ass. I grabbed it by it's leg and threw it out the door and left until my Dad came home and cleaned it up. Told him I accidentally stepped on her and then she ran out the door. Fuck cats. They are rodents.
Vetfag here, trying to bring some sense into the thread.
A pissed big dog (~50kg) would be a serious challenge for almost anybody, sure your legs/arms may be thicker and stronger, but the strength these animals have in their necks is insane. You'd be bitten no matter what you did, and once it's sunk its teeth into you it'll thrash and spin about wrecking whatever limb it's caught, including breaking bones.
Instantly, you'd panic, and stop thinking straight. Literally the only thing you could do would be to blind it by jamming your fingers into it's eyes, and good luck doing that.
I've felt the strength of dogs like this, and you don't fuck with them.
Next, give that pissed as fuck dog retractable 3 inch long claws, a more powerful bite and 4 inch long canines, and 50% more speed and agility. You're fucked.
In my professional (lol) opinion, the biggest/most dangerous animals I could kill in a non-tools fight would be limited to young (~75kg) pigs, smallish male deers (~80kg) and other small herbivores. I weigh 105kg (~235lbs) and have been lifting for nearly 10 years. You guys seriously overestimate your own abilities and underestimate those of animals. Humans are only dangerous in groups and/or armed.
>mfw I actually typed this out
>implying cheetahs attack by throwing themselves into prey to break its bones
Also, any force it inflicts is equaled on it. If it ran into a human for some reason with 1300N, then the same energy is going to hit the cheetah, which would fuck it up considering that they're not that big and have slender bones
You've got it backwards man.
If you piss off a chimp by hurting it, it will (literally) chimp out on you. Animals will fight until they can't move. Gouge out a chimp's eye, it'll get flooded with even more adrenaline and will literally rip your face off. Gouge out a human's eye and it'll be screaming on the ground for as long as a predator needs to bite its neck.
Ever since early humans learned to use rocks and trickery as weapons, the species has been losing its edge in physical conflict. Don't use it you lose it; we haven't had to go 1-on-1 with our bare hands for millions of years.
This. There was a news story around my area a while back about a lady who got attacked by a chimp. Fucking thing literally ripped off her hands and face. A chimp's strategy in a fight is to wedge its hands into your mouth and rip your jaw off. Absolutely brutal.
Housecats fuck up my arm right quick. Just imagine fucking around with something roughly the same speed, with about 100x the power. While you try pinning it down, it has the option to claw at your with its front or back legs, or bite your face off.
Quoted for truth.
Look at this fucking lion. Just look at it. And it's only female. It could easily fit that man's entire head in its jaw.
>what is the strongest animal a fit and powerful human can kill
Ants are able to carry about to 25x their body weights, and I've yet to encounter one I can't kill.
>Very Low chance
clearly you've never tangled with a coon or skunk before. I'd rank both way the fuck higher than cat or dog. I'd much rather fight a medium sized dog than a fucking skunk. I had one bite THROUGH a fire glove when I was wrangling it out of our dishroom. the teeth on those things....
Holy fuck, so much delusion in this thread. I can't believe some of you fuckers think you could take a chimp in a fight. Chimps are some of the most frightening animals on the planet. I would rather be up against a pissed off bear than a chimp.
Youve managed to completely miss the point of my post. Which was a cheetah can very easily take you down, it doesnt have to be going at full force. And your impact is further enhanced by our own inertia, causing whiplash in your brain and damage to your organs, as well as landing on the grown with 72kg of weight slamming you down. Stop acting like there is any chance for the human.
>lying on the internet
I'm a professional dog walker. 99% of dogs are fucking dyel. What the fuck are you caring for? Wolves? Please. Even an alpha wolf is no challenge. I could easily go The Grey on any wolf and wreck it.
I've been lifting for 12 years with Magilla Gorilla, and even he just joined the 2pl8. You and your experience don't mean shit when you haven't even 1v1'd your first coyote.
Another animal I'd wreck. It'd kick it like a soccer ball against the wall and take a shit on it.
ITT delusional faggots who don't think Ronda Rousey would even have a chance at taking Floyd Mayweather in a fight, but think that they could take wild fucking beasts. /fit/ gives male humans way more credit than they deserve.
One of the worst lists I've ever seen. Silverback gorilla NOT in the No Chance category? Black bear is only a Low Chance? Chimpanzee and cheetah are the same difficulty as a dog and cat?
I think that a hose may be fight-able with proper technique. Just don't get kicked or stomped and try to take out it's legs. Let's be honest though, 95% of the time a human would get their ass wrecked, but I think it could happen.
All this talk about animals fighting with no handicaps while the human doesn't use its full power of the mind to create tools thus at a handicap.
Human vs a Silverback, equal fight no handicaps: The human uses a gun to the gorilla's head. Its head splatters into a million pieces.
HUMANS WIN AGAIN ANIMALS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT WE RULE THIS PLANET APES PLS GO
>implying the ability to move 405 lbs with your legs translates to 405 lbs of explosive kicking power.
fact: you can curl a dead cheetah
fact: a cheetah would wreck your shit nigga
For any large cat/dog the strategy is the same, and a human has a somewhat reasonable chance:
When it charges, slam your forearm into the back of its mouth as hard as you can and bring it down on its back. If you can get it on its back with your forearm in its mouth, punch away at the neck as hard as you can, or try to sever the windpipe by stabbing at it with your hand.
If you can't get your forearm in or you cant get it on its back, you're fucked. But a strong, fit man stands a reasonable chance of doing that, and a reasonable chance of crushing the neck once they've done that.
>while the human doesn't use its full power of the mind to create tools thus at a handicap.
not the point of the debate...
but if you want to go by your rules of "creating a tool" then at best you can have like a club/branch and maybe a sharp stick but that's about it..
being those about the ONLY things a person out in the wild could "create" from the resources at their disposal. Hell I could drop you off at a machine shop with 10 hours of prep time and you are still not going to come up with "a gun". Even if you did, you still would not have bullets. Maybe you could make a bunch of sharpened blades and crude body armor but bear etc is still going to win..
as for the OP.. straight up random fight about the only thing an average person has a chance against is a large dog. Even then in most cases the human is walking away with permanent damaged. The only real advantage we have over animals is brain power. It's why we are the top of every food chain when given unlimited prep time...
Holy fuck this is stupid.
1. A cheetah would not slam into you like that
2. If a cheetah slammed into you like that, you'd likely just both end up dead in one of the most retarded battles ever witnessed in the animal kingdom.
You realize endurance hunting is just following at a pace high enough to keep the animal from resting in shade. Its effectively endurance tracking, the animal overheats when you keep shoving it outta hiding and then heat exhaustion does it in.
If I had sheet metal plates for my thighs chest and upper arms, and time to craft a pike or spear I would 100% wreck the shit of anything in the animal kingdom short of an african bull elephant or a sperm whale.
That's a terrible comparison. Two humans who train to fight in extremely similar ways is not comparable to entirely different species fighting each other. When other aspects are highly similar, strength matters way more.
>omg you would die from overheating
You're retarded, what is any metal or cloth armour in the last 6000 years. Honestly, give me a pike or spear made in a machine shop and I will still win almost every time against a wild animal.
fuck of faggot we are having a mature discussion about the logistics of fighting wild animals with implements made in under 10 hours in a machine shop with unspecified supplies available.
I think a human could take out a decent sized dog if you were lucky. They're really only designed to bite so if you can sweep it's legs and get it into some kind of headlock all you'd have to do is suffocate it.
warthogs have been known to be speared and move into the spear to gore whoever tried hunting them
they have to make special spears so the warthog doesn't try and move up the thing when killing it
warthogs and hippos are fucking terrifying
a chettah can accelerate up to 74.2 mph in just over 4 seconds. and a chettah only develops around 3 hp and weights 211 lbs.
now a farrari f12 develops 730 hp and accelerates to 60 mph in 3.1 seconds. thats an average acceleration of 19.3 mph/s. it weighs 3,362 lb.
a cheetah accelerates an average 17.4 mph/s and develops 4 hp.
not only does a cheetah have almost the same acceleration of a ferrari f12 (and would probably win against a unskilled driver), you used the term acceleration and then gave units for speed. you should go back to basic math.
a "fit and powerful human" could take down a big dog with their bare hands.
I'm not sure what you mean by "refined weapons" but that totally changes the dynamic.
And there are the true badasses.
This cheetah guy is hilarious
Cheetahs max speed ever recorded is 64mph, first of all. And they usually don't go significantly above ~30mph for kill runs.
Cheetahs don't weigh anywhere near 211lbs. They're between 50 and 150, and a 150lb cheetah is not going to be running 60mph.
You fuckin cheetah furry.
>Very Low chance
Large dog (German shepard or doberman)
Very High chance
Dude you could totally take a rhino. A rhino basically has to stomp you or gore you with its horn. Literally just run around in circles until it overheats.
Obviously you can't kill it with your hands, that skin is harder than chainmail.
This isn't France. This is fucking America.
>An adult male chimp, he found, pulled about the same weight as an adult man
Americans don't count the bar so we pull AT LEAST 45 LBS MORE THAN THE FUCKING CHIMPANEZEE. THIS ISN'T A BUNCH OF 3 LB DUMBBELL SWISS BRANCH SWINGS
THIS IS AMERICA
>"Superbly adapted for speed, the Cheetah is the fastest of the big cats, able to retain speeds of 112 km/hr (69 and ½ mph)."
>"The cheetah is capable of speed
up to 72 mph (114 km/h) and can maintain this speed over an average prey chase of 3.5 miles."
>and can maintain this speed over an average prey chase
>75 mph max
u r dumb.
Actually he's right.
Four legged animals have more power behind their legs, but it's counter productive to endurance.
Humans have the most endurance BECAUSE they run upright. It allows for a more efficient but less powerful form of locomotion.
You just made yourself look pretty stupid.
Ok but what if you're a 6'4 225 lb 10% bf human being?
And how do we know if the study accounted for trained or untrained human beings?
Imo, the question is stupid because it's not reality.
In the end, humans trump other animals because of our mental capabilities. Our abilities to create, adapt, and thrive.
I, 370m/s guy, am not the person you were responding to originally.
I was just pointing out that it cannot outrun or out accelerate a bullet.
Should've evolved some kevlar fucc boi.
What are you talking about. Humans can tear other humans apart barehanded also. All you have to do is chew/bite and pull hard for awhile. Literally the reason this doesn't happen is because we aren't animals who use our teeth in fights.
I'm not the guy talking about the ants.
But honestly I think that a chimp will fuck up the average human being.
But if you put a 150 lb chimp up against someone like Mariusz Pudzianowski, (Who's 313 lbs) it would be a lot more fair.
Alright cheetah furry, you're right about theoretical top speed, but the weight and average speed i quoted still stand, and still make the cheetah way less impressive than you make it out to be.
Also, have you looked at a cheetah?
>Those tiny thin bones
>That thin lean frame
>Those blunt as fuck claws
You could take down a cheetah no problem.
you guys would be so fucked you don't even know. Those claws are razor sharp, that bite can snap a bone and go deep as hell, it has better reflexes many times over.
What are you going to do, get it in a headlock?
Only chance would be to wrestle it and crush its lungs/gauge its eyes and shove your hand as far down its throat as possible.
Move chimp to low chance
they're 5 times stronger than a man and are the most violent of the primates
ever seen a chimp run through the jungle?
all the leaves and branches are just pushed aside
when we walk through scrub we just avoid as much as we can
>inb4 humans r killin machines
when we are encountered with a new problem we are curious and inquisitive
when chimps encounter something new, they break it
they also hunt small monkeys
Someone should have told this guy that he should have just kicked the leopard.
srs though look at the size of that thing
Seems like it. We tend to forget their muscles are bigger, and in a 1v1mebro, they are faster and have pointy things called claw, while we have meaty things called fists. Enjoy having your knuckles severed
>a 180 lb elite powerlifter
oh those tops speeds are not theoretical, they have been measured.
a cheetahs bite force is 475 lbs, well enough to break bones and cause mortal injuries. sure if you get lucky and its make mistakes, you might win, but the odds are not in your favor. the claws would shread you up, its bit would literally break you and tear your shitty body. its agility will be enough to move faster than you can react.
A normal human's reaction is going to be to flinch, blink, and throw up their hands. A human that does that is going to lose against virtually any animal.
A mentally composed human who is prepared for a fight to the death is a lot more dangerous than you give him credit for. A human like that is not going down easy.
>What are you talking about. Humans can tear other humans apart barehanded also. All you have to do is chew/bite and pull hard for awhile.
Which is not what chimps do, they grab and yank the fucking arm right off with their hands. They do not chew and gnaw the arm off at the shoulder, they fucking rip it right off with a violent yank.
A full grown male chimp absolutely fucks up whatever human man you put in front of it. I'm not even going to touch the retards ITT that are actually considering a cheetah or tiger or some of that shit.
humans used to just chase 4 legged animals until they got tired and fell down because as two legged animals we can run, breath and sweat all at the same time.
4 legged animals need recoop time becasue its hard to breath when they run
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>there are people in this thread that legitimately think they can beat a chimp in a fight
I used theoretical because no cheetah is going to attack you at 74mph. It just doesn't happen. It's a maximum. Again, average kill speed is closer to 30mph.
Claws are dull, you could easily bear a few scratches if you're dealing severe enough damage.
And you can prevent bites entirely, jam your forearm into the very back of its mouth. You're going to be heavier than it, and with much better control over your balance, so throw it on its back. Punch its neck a few times and it'll give.
the real question is why were putting the humans at a giant disadvantage and not doing the same for other animals?
taking away intelligence from humans is a huge disadvantage on the evolutionary scale. we wouldnt have gotten anywhere if we werent smarter than every animal on the planet
And Pound for pound humans have stronger jaws than Gorillas and Chimps, what's your point? Also Cheetahs don't have sharp claws there's are more similar to a dogs, they do posses one sharp dew claw that is not manipulatable however. Also I think you're wrongly equating top speed to agility for some reason. On top of that you're also highly underestimating the usefulness of opposable thumbs and digits that can cause quite a bit of damage to flesh and vital areas.
Yes but our physical bodies are built for endurance not raw power. Thats how ancient humans hunted, they literally chased an animal until it collapsed from exhaustion.
That and our brains
you used theoretical because you dont know how to use the word theoretical correctly
and how is jamming your arm in its mouth preventing a bite. you think its going to let you throw it on its back? its going to literally rip the skin from your arm. cheetahs have very high shock pulling force because of their high agility.and who says its going to go for your fore arm. what are you going to do if it bites any other part of your body.
you are delutional if you think you can beat a cheetah in a fight.
an animal will throw 100% of its available strength at a human from the go, a human unless under some type of mental illness wont.
theyd tear you apart before there was a real chance for you to fight back
i think he'd have a fighting chance against some animals.
ive seen a 100lb woman take 4 grown men to hold down because she was having a psychotic breakdown. brock lesner with that kind of psychotic rage could probably do some damage
>Theoretical: concerned with or involving the theory of a subject or area of study rather than its practical application.
Cheetahs have a theoretical maximum speed of 75mph. This is not a practical estimate to base assumptions off of. This is a theoretical maximum. Any given cheetah will probably not even be able to reach this speed. You shitfucker.
Do you realize how teeth work? Do you realize how jaws work? Do you understand that jamming a forearm into the back of cheetahs mouth will dramatically lower its biting capability, as well as force the points of contact to be the most blunt teeth?
You are bigger than a cheetah, you have better balance than a cheetah. You can throw a cheetah on its back.
You are an idiot if you think a human can't beat a cheetah.
>you are delutional if you think you can beat a cheetah in a fight.
Imagine a fuckin full grown male tiger. Seriously, people in this thread are idiots.
>>look he's stupid
Dude, you ARE fucking stupid. You are implying that you will be able to forcibly insert your hand into the mouth of a full grown male CHEETAH that is trying to kill you, and you're also implying that it's a good idea! You are fucking beyond stupid. I am bewildered and ashamed that people like you exist, and I say that with sincerity.
Like, there are actual adults that honestly believe that an unarmed human can not die when fighting a full grown male cheetah. It's funny, but godamn it's pretty sad at the same time.
which is stupid. if you give a human a spear which any fuckwad could make given a stick and rock, theyd win a lot more fights handily.
most of the arguments being made are that animals have sharp teeth and claws. not that theyre stronger. give a human a spear and they win almost every fight except against a grown lion, gorilla, or tiger
please, this chimp raped him already
Then the spear killed the animal, not the human.
I repeat, this is a theoretical test for the physical might of humans. Humans like mike tyson could punch with the force of around 2000 PSI There are intact cases of un armed humans killing fucking grizzly bears and leopards. its not stupid, it makes the entire debate a bit more interesting.
>cheetahs dont have sharp teeth
also by looking at this image, they dont appear to have large mouths. you probably couldnt shove your arm down its throat because (a) your hand wouldn't even fit in its fucking mouth and (b) it would bit you before you could fit your arm down its throat. just imagining someone trying to shove their arm down a cheetahs throat during a fight is fucking retarding and makes me lel.
If you can get a hold of a dogs front legs, or any canine for that matter, pull the front legs apart. This is the weakest area of any dog's anatomy. You will dislocate one or both of its legs. From there it's fucked.
A spear is literally one of the simplest weapons to make and hilariously enough, one of the most ridiculously OP weapons against animals.
You can fatally impale from beyond striking range and continue to hold them at bay until they die with a well designed spear.
Dude, you're misunderstanding so hard. I can't tell if you're just fucking with me or not. Also, that's someone else you're replying to.
You don't shove your hand down their throat to choke them, you shove your forarm, horizontally, into their mouth and pin their head to the ground with your full bodyweight, then wail on their neck as hard as you can. This is literally standard technique for fighting any 4 legged animal.
If you try this against a tiger, in all likelihood you get your ass raped. But you could, once in a million times, somehow manage to win.
If you try this against a cheetah, which is tiny as fuck and has way less dangerous claws/teeth, you stand a much better chance. Still probably not a very good chance, but a much better chance.
youre the kind of person that blames guns for killing people rather than the fuckwad pulling the trigger.
but to handicap the brain this much really doesnt do them any good. a human should be able to set traps and stuff like that
not to entirely disagree with your point but most cheetahs would be able to reach the theoretical maximum. very little genetic drift in the species, thus why the all have matching spots.
We can still do that you know. Disarmament isn't really a thing. The US and the Russians have just been getting rid of the unnecessary buildup and old / expensive to maintain launch systems. We still have 14 ohio class subs and just one of those is enough to fuck up a huge portion of the world. Trust me, we got enough nukes still.
>You don't shove your hand down their throat to choke them, you shove your forarm, horizontally, into their mouth and pin their head to the ground with your full bodyweight, then wail on their neck as hard as you can.
Literally laughed out loud. I think this guy is serious too.
>It's actually a technique designed to fight large canines, but it would work for cheetah just a well in all likelyhood as you've said.
It's like you believe the cheetah doesn't have claws. This works for canines because you are eliminating it's ONLY threat, it's mouth, and controlling that area the entire time. A cheetah has sharp fuckin claws on it's feet, and it's far more able to get those feet on you than a dog would even if he had the claws too.
A cheetah would shred your shit, dude. If you put your forearm inside a cheetahs mouth, your body is being shredded to ribbons lol
idk where youre from friend, but most people i know wouldnt be able to start a fire let alone make weapons or traps.
the AVERAGE human (especially out here in the wonderful north america) is clueless on any survival type shit.
i know what you were saying. fitting your whole forearm increases surface area in contact and reduces pressure. the problem is that you would most likely have your skin torn off your arm. and throwing your whole weight on them would only increase this chance. you probably have seen this on tv, where police are training dogs or animal control is dealing with an animal. but they all have protection. this also implies that the animal is solely going for your upper body and you have fast enough reaction time, and the knowledge to do this.
I'm not saying you get out of this situation without some serious damage. It's a tough fight, and if you survive you can expect some seriously bad injuries.
I'm saying that it's reasonable to think that a strong human could win against a cheetah. Yes, there are many ways that a cheetah could kill you, but a strong human would have a reasonable chance of defending and killing the cheetah. That's all I'm saying.
>They have no fucking technique and just slap and bite.
What the fuck do you expect it to do? Do a perfect flying arm bar? omoplata you to submission? get you into guard? do a skateboard squat?
It'll rip your arms away and bit your neck. you'll be dead even before you can think about how to get it into guard.
also, lol @ weak individually. If you're not ronnie coleman, you're far weaker than it
Parallel parking is hard as fuck dude. If you don't do it often, how the fuck are you supposed to know how much to turn the car and when to turn which way? It's not like you're controlling your body, you're controlling a giant car. It's a matter of trial and error, if you don't do it with regularity you won't be able to do it well.
Cheetah next to people for scale, that would fuck all of you up.
but its not reasonable. all of this talk about specific maneuvers and things you "could do" wouldn't work for the average human. the average human wouldn't know to put their forearm in a cheetahs mouth to have more control over it. that sort of knowledge comes from years of working with animals or, if you are lucky, you may of seen it in a documentary or tv show. and EVEN if you had some esoteric information on fighting animals, you are still not garenteed to win. most likely, the average human wouldn't know what the fuck is going on and would get killed within minutes.
Yes the average human would. But we're not talking about the average human, we're talking about a "fit and powerful human", which is already well above average. I don't think it's unreasonable to give the human a little bit of practical awareness about the situation, too.
I mean, yea, if you get jumped in the savannah by a cheetah you're dead. I assume we're talking about a fight that the human is aware is about to happen, and I assume the human is prepared to fight to the death.
quick reminder that this thing could kill you and youre gains without any effort.
strength doesn't matter that much when you are dealing with the fastest land mammal on earth. lets say if you put a human and a cheetah on a basketball court. the average human wouldnt know what the fuck to do when the think is flying at you at like 40 mph. the average human wouldnt know what the fuck to do when it the cheetah is circling around it, ready to attack. how is squating 7 plates and being about to do a marathon going to help when the cheetah tears the skin from its legs
We're not even arguing anymore, we're just talking about different things. I'm just trying to make the fight somewhat reasonable by saying that the human is aware of what he's about to fight, and is prepared to fight it. Not an average human who is going to flinch and cry when it comes at him.
I'm imagining a fit, strong dude who has at least visualized what would be done in a fight with various animals (because what guy hasn't thought about these things many times over) and has the state of mind to do it when the fight begins.
Yes, an average human with average human reaction would get rekt, indisputably.
So why are we not talking about the most OP of all animals. The Orca. Super intelligent and strong as fuck. Evolution gave these fuckers everything. Hell they are developing cultures and shit. They got their own form of clans and they are fucking whales. Literally most OP animal.