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If Omar is right here, why would we add weight to our snatch/clean and jerk when beginning? If it's just motor movements and irrelevant to strength, why do people immediately start with a 40kg snatch? Should we take months getting the technique down by muscle memory first?
I've heard 300 is "good". I hit 112/145 @ 83.75 and got a 309.something Sinclair and I think I'm "okay." 350 and I'll consider myself goodish.
140 clean pull + clean + 2 jerks this evening. Reposting from last thread because hype.
because if you stay snatching the bar for 4 months you will never get used to your muscles needing to work at heavier loads, and as such you will never learn the form for heavier weights.
>This is what i'm guessing is why
Yeah, but the weight should come over time. Adding weight immediately without having some kind of muscle familiarity won't add any benefit. Plus, doing weights you're not used to doing skew your technique, and over time, your technique will end up being awful
I have people add weight because i don't think snatching/cleaning/jerking an insignificant weight helps you lift significant weights that much. Just because the weight challenges you to use good technique doesn't mean it won't help you build better technique. I think challenging yourself is good if it results in better motor patterns
My coach said you should be able to do a perfect snatch with just the bar before you add any weight. When you start lifting weights before you have the movements down, your technique will mess up. You'll start performing irregular movements to get the weight up, instead of sticking to good form (cheat squats, bending back during max deadlift, etc) I think you should at least have the movement down before attempting weight, muscle memory takes longer to accrue than just learning how to snatch.
But hey, this is just me, and I don't even total more than 200
Topkek, go rewatch the pendlay vids
>incomplete clean extension
>cant do full lifts
>trying to make us think those whites are 50 kilos a piece
You forgot to put #don'tbescaredyourwholelife
Wait, I'm not trying to insult you but how were you on the national team for 7 years but don't total 200? Is there some catch
And are you the guy who was lifting in the globo gym who couldn't do full snatches because of your knee?
My coach was in the team for 7 years, not me. I've only been lifting since May. I don't know what a globo gym is but yeah I posted some form checks here while recovering from a knee sprain. It's fine now, I'll probably be finally adding weight in January if things go as planned.
Hey → on man. If it works it works. I feel like it's more productive for adults to spend more time working with actual weight than an empty bar, but that's just how I was taught and how I teach and I'll be lucky to ever be anywhere near as good as your coach was/is.
I figured. I'd like to see what a "perfect" snatch with the empty bar looks like though. Just to get a guage of exactly how good you're expected to be with an empty bar before you add weight. I've read in the Soviet texts that you don't develop really good technique until you've been doing it for 5 years.
Yeah, my coach said my technique will be nowhere near perfect until at least half a decade from now. But he says I need to be able to have consistently "good" technique before I add weight.
is it normal that i feel like my technique has gone so far with the bar, that i need to add weight to see if i'm doing it 'right'?
if you do the bar and only the bar, as a noob i think sometimes i wonder if im just muscling it easily into position because its so light, and it looks 'right'. oly way to test it is with some weight added
or am i barking up the wrong tree?
when are we gonna have our oly jailbait edition we talked about, huh?
You're right. Everyone talks about how the chinese train with just the bar for months before adding weight - this is because 1. they are teaching 5-8 year olds. The bar is a lot for kids that young. And 2. the "perfect" lift to them is any lift that follows the "close, low, fast, balanced" motto they have and looks the same every time they do it. So long as it fits those requirements, they don't care.
why the fuk post vids of literal babby weight
grats bro ur tech looks solid with the weight my little sister could lift, and guess what bro id ont even fkn have a little sister faggot
i feel snatching just the bar as a noob has a function, especially as i'd never even had 20kg over my head in that position before
clean and jerk though, i could litterally do anything. i actually feel my technique is better with weight on the bar
>tfw this guy taught you the oly lifts
pretty noob question but why does it seem that 105 kg is a lot of muscle and little fat then +105 or +75 has people with a ton of fat on them? I know that there is a lot of muscle under that but why do they pack on so much fat? like doesn't lower weight in your class help you in the scoring if there is a tie? pic of chinese +75
Has anyone here read or bought Greg Everetts Olympic weightlifting for sports?
Is it good enough if I'm not going to compete in weightlifting? Or should I go with his giant tome? Basically I'm looking to improve my strength and explosiveness in BJJ. Gotta keep up with the fucking wrestlers.
guys, my elbow hurt bad
It doesn't hurt "extending it" and I was able to jerk 90% today w/out any pain, but pulling any weight hurts it, even things like when I was stretching after workout. I was able to do some p snatch with out any pain if I oriented my elbow right but it still hurts pretty bad 8 hours later. feels like if it was massaged or popped it might feel better but massaging tri isn't helping
any advice here? gonna ice tomorrow before workout
no vid, i think im doing the pete rubish style high bar squat where im literally just leaning forward and doing a good morning back up.
does anyone have an indepth high bar squat technique vid? i used to be really comfortable doing them, but i switched to lowbar for a year and it fucked with my form and motor patterns
for extra support, but mainly to keep the joints "warm" atleast that's what i've heard.
sometimes i'll use tensor bandages to wrap my knees and it helps to reduce the popping in my right knee
Expect to have zero power pulling from the floor in a proper snatch/clean stance
Also expect front squats to rek you on way lighter weights than what you thought was heavy for a squat because your quads are probably a little lacking and your motor patterns need reworking
They dont wrap like a powerlifter, thats for sure
generally its neoprene sleeves for warmth, cloth/elastic sleeves for a bit of warmth and support, wrap with bandages or light wraps (not thick pl ones) for support and maybe a tad bit of warmth
wrapping is usually used when lifters have irritated tendons as you can apply more localised pressure
klokov is an example, wraps under the knee to take pressure of the paetaller tendon, but also on top as he says he gets pain there, leaves knees open though.
guys can i ask a serious question, even though it sounds dumb?
i've been working on m strength, especially the squat. im 6'1 and only weight 78kg. the most ive squatted is 147.5kg, the most i've repped 3x5 is 130kg
now, i dont think thats awful for my height/weight, but recently ive been picking up niggling injuries, little back strain here, calf pull there, and despite it just being twinges it means im not explosive in clean pulls etc currently. and currently working below my maxes. last back squats were 120x5, 122.5x5, 125x5. today i front squatted 60,70,80,90,100 all for 3's.
now onto my question... could these little niggling injuries be because im so fragile/skelly? i'm bulking currently, just wondering if i'll become more robust as i gain weight and mass
sorry if its dumb question. thanks brehs.
this is almost certainly a contributing factor, my sleep pattern and food has been pretty fucking bad recently. text's from the ex and a big job interview havent exactly helped either.
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Everytime I've lurked these OWG threads for the past month or so I've noticed you mentioning that you're 6'1 78kg and "only squat 147.5"
I don't know what you're after here. Everyone gets pain, you just work through it, you swim, eat, sleep and recover.
Do you want someone to say something like "wow for your weight and being untrained you squat a lot!!"
Just keep eating and keep a positive attitude, if you worry and whine over little pain you're never gonna make it brah.
Also this is OWG not squatGeneral.
well unless there's someone else with the same stats idk cos i only hit that last week. my height/weight is directly relevant to the question here, as is the weight im squatting as i want it to be clear maybe i shouldn't be feel like that with these weights
i'd rather be cautious and seek some actual advice about a tweak or niggle than take some 'hero' crossfit attitude and end up getting rekt like pas
>implying squatting isn't crazy important
thanks anyway though
there's no such thing as a "normal" clean. a clean is a clean. there's many different ways to do it, and jon just teaches it in a way that attempts to maximize tension placed on the hamstrings by pulling the knees back as far as possible off the floor to deliver the strongest "finish" to to lift as possible. obviously this isn't the greatest technical description of it, but essentially it's how he describes the portion of the pull from the floor to the point right before the lifter pulls their shoulders back to finish the lift.
if you pause at the moment the video reaches the 10 second mark you'll see that at that point
-the knees are as far back as they go in the lift (shin angle is perpendicular to the floor)
-shoulders are at the furthest point infront of the bar
essentially, jon teaches that from the pull off the floor to this point is the "superman pull"
why should you do it? it's because he believes that it's the best way to pull a snatch and clean to deliver the most amount of power to the barbell. doesn't mean it's the best way, but it is not a wrong way of doing the lift either.
i've spent a while trying to understand what he's talking about
first of all there's the "triple extension vs catapault" thing, which isn't a "vs" at all. triple extension isn't a technique, and "catapult" was just a phrase made up by a coach.
basically jon teaches staying over the bar for a long time, then pulling back hard with a lot of hip contact.
For the opposite of what jon does, look at Norik Vardanian (I think, someone feel free to correct me on this)
I watched one video by North a while ago when he was starting to run his own gym.
I will never listen to him again. He advised general weightlifters to bang the bar off their hips as hard as possible in order to help get the bar overhead. From that point on it only further imbedded in my head that good athletes do not always make good coaches. While for him, he can bang the bar at his hips and still understand (whether he knows it or not) to keep it close via lats and whatever else he does, teaching this to newbies will result solely in a looped bar path.
Follow his advice at your own peril, it may or may not coincide with general teachings in weightlifting.
I updated/put more videos on the playlist and created pl playlist if u guys are interested
>tfw pointless front squat strength
met with a good Oly coach (he's done something like 152 CJ and 116 Snatch, friend of Broz) and he told me I'm probably a 6 months to a year of flexibility work out before I can snatch...
My best power clean from the floor is 235, at least that is somewhat close to what it should be based on a 340 front squat...
Fan right next to camera is distorting everything :P
so what's the connection between jumping and oly lifting "potential"? is it safe to say that if I had a shitty vertical when I started that I simply won't be as good as someone who had a 32" vertical when they started? Or would it not be more correct to see how my ratios (eg. fsquat:clean) compare to top lifters?
eh, i think everett just kinda connected the dots and came up with that on his own
like the other anon said, huge total and explosive power
also, holy shit dat dynamic start
Also this seems like a pretty cross-cultural reference but does klokov remind anyone of Lukas Podolski?
Still got it but not too active in the sport itself as much as social media, very likeable regardless
Hey guys, I'd like a form check on my squat set, 100 lb x 5. I recently recovered from a bad lower back sprain from doing disgusting good morning low bar squats on SS. Now I'm falling in love with Oly. I'm a young and very skinny kid btw, 135 5'8 and bulking.
The thing is though that I am extremely uncomfortable with the Olympic bar position. My neck seems to hurt no matter where I put the bar, and scapular retraction seems to only exacerbate the problem. So I don't like to put on much weight. In general I've been having some crazy neck discomfort and (rarely) neck pain recently. In fact I'm kinda scared I have a cervical herniated disc, I tend to panic about these things). I don't know how I should deal with this neck pain for squats. Your advice? I'm honestly considering the pussy pad for now.
Also I seem to be posterior chain dominant, thanks to good ol Rippetoe. What do?