Being masculine is a bad thing now:
>it's bad being a man
>being a man is bad
>you should feel bad for being a man
>you being a man TRIGGERS me
>it's totally not about bringing men down and building women up, I swear
>men are overrated
>men are the patriarchy
>men are unrealistic
>men are imposing their manliness on us
>man bad man bad man bad
>women are brought down everywhere
>feminine qualities are not valued
>society is basically a giant cult for manliness
Where does she experience this? Everywhere I look there's plenty of "express your feminine side cos women have superior qualities"-BS
>story about guy telling is son not to cry
I bet it didn't look as heartless as she describes it. Also it's worthwhile to teach son not to be litlle bitch that starts crying as soon as something is discomforting. Teach your kids to change what discomforts you instead of whining about it.
Goodbye western society, my old friend. We hardly knew ye
>men should be able to be feminine
>I base this on Carl Jung
>Feminine qualities are what makes us human
>I look into my toddler's eyes right now, and I'm invigorated by the perfect balance that resides within them. All the textures of masculine and feminine come out to play, as he is living in perfect alignment
>I am a spiritual mentor + writer + actress + film maker
>tfw when the point western society is reaching now is the same point al great societies where at when they started their inevitable and long decline.
>The destruction of morals and stoicism,
>insistence that the government should support the people rather than them supporting themselves,
>effeminate qualities and cowardice become dominant in society
>other societies begin to overtake and dominate
>we'll al be sucking chink and ruski cock in a handfull of decades.
If any of you retards actually READ the article you'd realise that she's actually defending men.
She's pointing out the double standard that men are supposed to be stoic and never express their emotions whilst women can get away with it.
Your a fucking idiot, stoicism is an important part of character building, it makes people mentaly tough and resilient.
Women are whiny as fuck and never rise to the same heights as men because they are whiny and give themselves a persecution complex. Harden the fuck up you limp handed profligate.
>stoicism is good because it makes you tough and resilient.
>kids these days need discipline
What's next grampa? Should we all take cold showers too?
>can't make a decent counter argument
>I'll just post le fedora meme that'll prove me right
>Harden the fuck up you limp handed profligate.
why yes I do follow the roman warrior philosophy I am in fact the utter top of stoicism, last night for example my graphics drivers had to be updated, yet my computer kept crashing for apparently no reason! I spent the whole night trying to find a solution, successfully at last of course.
You still haven't explained, with any logic, why women can cry and show their emotions whilst men are expected to keep it all inside.
All you've done is given me your opinion. Which is completely worthless.
Personally I follow the samurai and their strict bushido code.
Crying is absolutely warui for an otoko. Only onna and imouto are allowed to display their feeble emotions.
no more paywalls and giving pageviews to shitty articles
>being remotely affected by anything they say or think or feel
It's full of fat feminazi's and little masochistic men.
>Being masculine is a bad thing now:
Shit, nigger, where have you been? Being masculine has been bad for years now. Surely you've noticed how many twinks and swag fags are out there these days. Back when I was in school people used to bully these faggots, now they're walking the streets without fear.
Because men throughout history have needed to know very closely who they show their weaknesses to, and when. Men are the perimeter between "us" and "them" and the defenders of "us" since the beginning of time.
If men were constantly breaking down about little shit - even, and especially if it really does bother them or try them - then any spies/traitors/enemies in general would know how to exploit those weaknesses, kill the men, rape the women, enslave the children.
Tribal existence is always the answer and always will be the answer.
It's like comparing a degree in horoscopes to having a degree in Astro physics, fucking pathetic and laughable.
Seriously come to a BPS meeting or lecture and see everyone start look at you like you're the retard of the room when you mention that you subscribe to psychodynamics, no one will want to talk because they know there's no intelligent conversation to be had.
>It's the delusion that masculinity is king. That aggression, toughness and competition trump compassion, expression and collaboration.
If men embrace that, there is no iron fist, there is only limp dick liberals. Think about Teddy Roosevelt, a mans man. Men need strength to power through the tough things in life and women are the caregivers.
so true. i remember the good days, where fighting earnt you respect in school. i used to fight everyone, especially the older kids. nowadays being a faggot is fashionable and progressive
>Embracing femininity as a man confers no advantage if you want to get laid.
With no response to this assertion, there is literally no reason to honor her argument.
this guy is right. Im at university and there are policies against any form of interaction when its a man talking to a woman.
we get told constantly 1 in 5 women will be raped, nope 1 in 4 now, and i read a couple weeks back its now 1 in 3 women WILL be brutally gang raped repeatedly throughout univeristy
No, being unequal makes people unhappy so we have to bring up men to be as feminine as possible because masculinity promotes ambition and competition which hurt the feelings of people who don't feel like being achievers. We can't have that in a civilised society!
What the fucking fuck?
What fucking university is that?
When you put it that way,
its almost as if woman have to be gangraped to understand what real, non fabricated rape is.
Seriously. Those bitches be screaming and tossing the r word around all the time, getting innocent men caught up in this shit all because they did so much as glance in their direction.
What happens when rape REALLY happens? They will get wrekt.
id love to punch u in the face, tears running down your face as you stutter patriarchy and rape culture. id hit you twice as hard if ur female. be lucky this is annon, cuz i would fucking anhililate you
>say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
>be lucky this is annon, cuz i would fucking anhililate you
pathetic, i dont wear a fedora
pic related im on the left
Because this retard is living in the 21st century with a stoneage mentality.
His explanation for why men shouldn't cry is because someone from the next tribe or village might see and somehow use it against him to rape his wife and children.
I've got to take a break from /fit/...
$20.- says Roha Jordan's son is going to have a needle in his arm, a bullet in his head, or a cocktail in his mouth by the time he's 17.
i have almost total control over my emotions. my g/f will cry at work, cry when she misses a train, cry at movies. i dont have feeling to cry, but when i experience emotion its usually hieghtend, so its extremes of anger or sadness. this is biological, women exist in tandem with their emotions
men exist with mastery over them. for a woman to express softness is attractive.
a man should be in control of himself, that is attractive to women
>i have almost total control over my emotions
The problem with masculinity is that they're viewing it through female eyes.
Estrogen makes female emotions rich, intense and multidimensional. Without it, your emotions are poor, dull and simple. That's all there is to it.
So basically, we're "not allowed to be emotional", because we dudes are simply not emotional, and if you are emotional it's usually because you're a high estrogen beta male, which is a bad thing not only because, as the very article says, we are the embodiment of masculinity, but also because at least in /fit/ we know how having low test is bad for your health too.
That was the weirdest part to me. Like I know they wee largely influential, and their effect on literature was especially palpable, but they've been widely discredited in psychology for decades.
Ahhhhhhhh, what the hell am I thinking, femtards will just retort with something about how they're panromantic asexual trans trigender femmes just to prove that what you have on your crotch is completely separate from your gender.
The effects of low test are objective and factual though.
>low muscular mass, physical weakness
>mild, lingering, chronic depression
>lack of motivation and energy
To be fair in most of the masculine cultures back in the day; the failure to express emotion was defined as a personality failure.
to cry tears over the loss of a close friend is a normal masculine endeavor. Manly tears for a good goddamn reason. Not bitch tears over every little thing that doesn't go your way. At the same time the stoicism and strength of men was still the core of a true man. Because men evolved to be the warriors and leaders of society.
I scrolled to the bottom and saw this
This website is obviously not for men
I seriously hope people don't take this seriously
Son, two of three structures of your brain -- ultimately making at least half of your brain -- are relics of 'stone age mentality'.
These structures have not been torn down, remodelled, refurbished, or anything otherwise. They were simply built over, and they're still active.
As much as you want to deny it you're a very basic animal, extremely predictable, and constantly a victim of your emotions, instincts, and preconceived notions. The idea that you're somehow separate from these parts of your brain is asinine. As if the body can dismiss centuries of development because "well it doesn't really make sense anymore".
>last night for example my graphics drivers had to be updated, yet my computer kept crashing for apparently no reason! I spent the whole night trying to find a solution, successfully at last of course.
I know these feels
Depends, if you don't workout for shit, never see any sunlight, sleep nothing and eat like shit you can be 18 years old with no test.
Also, notice how I pretty much just described your average chantard.
>landwhalington post article
>written by a feminist
i know that article is propagandist horseshit for fat, lonely, mid-30s women without friends outside of tumblr without even reading one word
is enforcing masculinity really that bad of a thing?
If they grow up wanting to be more feminine then alright, but socializing children to be what they are expected to be in society (males acting how males are supposed to be and vice versa) is just a part of raising children.
It's biology, you can't rationalize it away. You can control it, but you can't ever stop it.
Our social dynamics are still very much governed by this, yes even the "men don't cry" thing.
We put up social constructs/contracts to each other, we say well we won't do this, we don't do that, but at the end of the day we internally feel differently. We do it because we feel it's unfair, not politically correct, not polite, etc.
See: honour, chivalry, etc.
I'd say women may say they're "fine" with seeing a man cry, maybe once or twice, or for good reason. But the idea of an over emotional men I guarantee you is repulsive to most women. Even if she says "well that's not really understanding of me .. " but it's not, no woman wants that.
I don't want a brutish and manly woman either. I might intellectualize that it's wrong, and I should because I should be accepting. But ultimately my biology does not-give-a-fuck about my social contracts; it wants that young fertile as fuck chick with the big tits and wide hips innately.
In summary: you're right, we shouldn't be a victim of our biology, but we are. Fight it as much as you want but it's waiting to wash you away as soon as you can't be bothered anymore.
You'd still have high test because you're at your sexual peak.
Ask your doctor how many men in their twenties are diagnosed with low test.
>inb4 doctors are jews and somehow part of a conspiracy to estrogenise our children
She's saying that it's unfair that men are reprimanded for crying whilst women are not. It's a double standard.
Sorry bro, but these structures are still relevant everywhere outside of the quiet, comfortable First World. Right off the top of my head, these are some places where the brain structures that make you reserved against outsiders will save your fucking ass:
Because we know crying/weakness/emotionality in men is a selector, it'll differentiate the strong males from the weak males, and the stronger males are more attractive to society as a whole. The males that are more attractive to society as a whole will have better outcomes. Also because in our society males still need to perform a role, and meet an identity, just like females need to.
It's an innate social dynamic, it has to do with our species's gender roles. The gender roles are the stereotypes we all know, men provide, women birth, our species move forward one generation at a time.
Did your dad tell you that? Cuz mine told me to cry if I needed.
I cried on a girls shoulder once, when my mom died. That's a perfectly appropriate time to cry. If you're crying because your sports team lost or you didn't get a 3 plate didilift, harden the fuck up.
>a man should be in control of himself, that is attractive to women
pic related, you
That's weird as fuck. I know music videos aren't exactly high art but the robot thingy seemed to have essentially a childlike mind and it's heavily implied that she was fucking it. Not necessarily wrong since it's a thing but still... fucking creepy.
Imagine that was a guy with a female gf robot.
Right, everybody knows women love men that lose their shit and cry in the face of hardships. Fedora reaction pics are no way to win an argument, but here, have one on me.
>i know what women want, i read everything about it in mens health
that's just a trap for beta fucking males. In the real world, men aren't going around dying to spill their feelings to some chick. It's just projection. Women are dying to spill their feelings so they think men are too.
>kebabs are good you guyse! Anyone who doesn't believe so is a racist!
Check the fucking rape statistics of Sweden for example you fucking stupid fuck. That's the result of pussying your own country.
You reap what you sow.
I think at this stage men are just tired of being told how to fucking behave. The culture around masculinity and the media is ridiculous at the moment. Men apparently can't do anything right, not even be men. It's a free-for-all on masculinity and how "men should actually behave THIS way".
cholesterol and test maybe, although my test did go up when i started doing this but this might be due to other things too.
but my energy level went up, wake up easier and fresher throughout day, felt stronger, less DOMs. I see it as a test to push myself which in turn motivates me from the start of the day to preform and work hard and on top of that shorter showers save money and time.
p l a c e b o b o y s
>I see it as a test to push myself which in turn motivates me from the start of the day to preform and work hard and on top of that shorter showers save money and time.
Literally all mental, you could receive the same benefit from eating bread instead of toast
Both are true. At a certain point both gender roles conservatives and new age feminism fags and fagettes need to back the fuck off and stop telling everyone how they should behave. I advise everyone to stop reading this type of stuff, it's bad for the soul. Live life on your own terms.
>Teaching your son not to cry every time he's upset/wants something is a bad thing
How else are they supposed to learn? They need to cry when they're babies but once they learn to talk they need to learn to use their words.
I don't fucking get it. I personally don't cry about anything because I don't feel like it. I haven't broke down and cried for at least several years. Short of a family death or tragedy, there's no reason to cry about stupid shit.
Ok so now i see a guy who seems to see masculinity as a way of life where you don't bitch about things and other fitizen that critics him with fedora tip, thus saying that one must accept his feminity or his feeling.
Ok now /fit/ what is masculinity ?
>>I look into my toddler's eyes right now, and I'm invigorated by the perfect balance that resides within them. All the textures of masculine and feminine come out to play, as he is living in perfect alignment
Imagine if a man wrote that. That's some pedophile shit.
Well that's the fucking point isn't it? Crying and whining and spilling your spaghetti is the opposite of being what you want to be. It's an exhibition of frustration and fear--when a man cries out of stress it's a sign of desperation, of not knowing what to do next. It's weakness.
yup. i'm afraid to "spill my feelings" or "vent" to anyone who isn't a close friend because nobody wants to hear about my problems. girls / women don't want a guy to cry on their shoulder. fuck this dumbass article. is the author a woman? she doesn't get it. you spill your feelings to a girl and she'll be turned off
What do I want to be ?
Don't you begin to talk about what women want there ? The original statement was masculinity is what a man want.
It seems like, there should be a model to guide us to become a good man. i'm not saying we need a Hitler or shit like that. But both women and men don't know what is masculinity now and need it more than ever.
Why is murdering women illegal again?
If anything, it should be an olympic sport.
And just remember. For some unthinkable reason, Ed Gein and Ted Bundy are not national heroes.
let me get this straight
someone brought up a point that stoicism is important in the development of men and gave an example of character traits women suffer because of lack of said stoicism, all debatable, sure
and the response was a hamfisted fedora pic with "gamur" talk and ironic weaboo posting?
Can you see how fucking ridiculous one side of the argument appears from the other to a third party? It just looks like feelings were hurt, but you're the ones who castrated yourselves using the dankest memes available
I bet you fedora lords like Nietzsche and his megalomaniac narratives. He is the epitomy of despair, always wanting to be-something in the world, always reaching for something that escaped like catching a bird barehanded.
Every person who has forgotten his place in eternity and hasn't took a leap of faith is despairing, just see how everyone die for being-something which is just escaping your own eternal self (which can't be understood from being-something in the world). Suicide is better than not-being-something in the world for the atheist.
Nietzsche suffered from this, and the modern world is suffering from it too, we have literally no foundation to stand on it. As non-spiritual people, our cappability of thinking on 'things are possible' are next to none, we forgot that things are possible.
If I were religious i would be 100x more happier than now, i could strive for something knowing that everything is possible and miracles can happen. It sounds stupid but once you took the leap of faith everything is more reachable than ever.
This. Only men who really are hyper masculine douches will say a man can never ever cry. There's a time and a place to show emotion, and there's a time to put on your mask. Knowing the difference between the two is imo one of the thing that makes you a real man.
The dudes you responded to are dudes in name only. They are girls. Arguing with logic is fucking useless with them, you need to argue with emotion. Pointing out their fallacies is useless, you need to retort with "you're a fag" and "stay beta".
there are two kinds of men: marlboro country men kinda guys who never talk and be all manly n shit, and the sensitive artistic kind of guy who has a connection to his feelings.
so who do you think women want?
if a woman gets a marlboro guy, shes all in love n shit with his manliness, she likes his mystierious ways and how secretive he is. and then after a while, she wants him to open up, because he doesn't talk much and she wants to know him better. of course he doesn't because he's not into feelings and talking that much, so woman is not pleased and leaves the marlboro man for the artistic, sensitive guy. so the artistic sensitive guy is all emotional and shit and tells her all about his feelings and thoughts, thats fine for a while until the woman wants this guy to be more manly and not so a sensitive and emotional all the time. the artistic sensitive guy of course won't do that because he sees no reason to play a role, and the woman leaves him and becomes a feminist, the end
Oh, poor uneducated sheep of the kyriarchy, you don't know that there's a conspiracy between all men in all levels of society to make justice reserved to men only. Murdering proud wymyn is "illegal", but everybody is colluded to not give a fuck.
Strength: Physical strength, ability to do stuff
Courage: The will to do important stuff, even if it's dangerous
Mastery: Proficiency in various skills, depending on the situation
Honor: Being aware of your relation and standing to other men, and the will to improve it, to be a man who other men appreciate and look up to
>They are girls
I won't go that far, I'm all for reading debates on a Manchurian woodcarving debate blog and hearing women's input
But that was a particularly terrible display and 9fag tier of shitflinging
>Hah! I one upped them with MEMES! MEMES!!!!
Pretty gud answer. Now, what are the good moments to show emotion ?
to be the bridge between these two men seems to be perfect.
So do i need to be able to lift a piano ? or a 50kg bac of cement ?
If a girl is being raped by 15 nigga (it is just an example, and i use it because it will talk to a lot of you) should i go defend her even if I know that i'm going to die ?
If a men insult my mother should i beat the shit out of him ? If he gives me a bad look too ?
With your children, for instance. Kids need emotion, they will fucking hate you if you're cold and distant.
In fact I'd even adscribe female emotionality to an evolutionary advantage. Women need all those emotions to give their offspring the infinite amounts of love and compassion they need during their early years.
>the problem with masculinity
>written by a women
i can understand for the dog, but the 4pl8. kek.
Only with children ? How can you teach your children to be a man and at the same time teach him to be a man ?
As far as i'm concerned, I used to see women as a complementary figure for the man. He should be the strenght and courage and her tenderness etc.
But nowaday, a man need to be both. don't know if it's a good or bad thing.
>How can you teach your children to be a man and at the same time teach him to be a man
Masculinity and feminity is misleading, it's too charged within ideology
What is real is that most people are self-interested, and that women now are much more aware of that, and they are able to shit on men because of their self interest.
Men in the other hand are still thinking on 'good' 'bad' 'masculinity' 'feminity' so they can't get their head straight and see that it's just a power struggle between people with self interests.
>to be the bridge between these two men seems to be perfect.
everybody is a mix of those two, it's just that meatheads like in this thread hold their cliche manliness they learned from tv so high that they will never accept their sensitive side, cus it's unmanly, ya know. and the artist is too self-centered to step out of his emotional world and start looking at what others, i.e. women, need.
I don't trust men who never cries, they must be broken or psychopaths.
I've never witnessed women being disgusted with men who cry but I bet the ones who are don't respect men as fully human beings and can be dismissed.
That said, nobody likes an adult who cries all the time about trivial shit, whether they're a man or woman.
The author is right, you need to accept both your 'feminine' and 'masculine' sides. The most attractive people a well-rounded persons who are at peace with themselves.
We are all a bunch of faggots for wasting our time on huffpost article discussions instead of enjoying life. Is this fun /fit/? do you really enjoy these looping semantics and the ridiculous philosophical arguments.
Please /fit/ escape this idiotic mentality/perspective that you've chained your self to.
It isn't healthy, but then, I bet you only lift to convince yourself that you aren't "them."
You do everything on their terms, in their world;
step back and realize that you are a separate entity from all this bullshit.
it would be a beautiful moment, sure, but you said it like it is the ONLY and important moment a man should cry for and i don't think so.
a man who follow, ie, a soicist way of life and at the same accept is creative and sensible side could be the model we should seek for ?
Also, i'm bitching with this idea of having a model, but it's just because for me, men are totally lost as this thread proves it.
even if it looks very interesting, i didn't understand a single thing m8.
Man fuck this.
Women are not equal to men, period. Without men the economy would collapse and humanity would be wiped out.
Women are just physically and mentally inferior, all the propoganda suggesting otherwise are made by white knight beta cuckolds and women.
You want prove that you're equal to men? Well come back when you can grow 12 inch arms without fucking steroids, not have the fitness tests in the military / police reduced to suit your capabilities and when your not shitting out life from your front butt.
Until then, stay mad bitches
but it is not only /fit/ struggle. If a this pua, alpha/beta, search of masculinity (etc.) exist, there is a reason. Still, you're right, but i think we are beyond this shitty article, i didn't even read it.
When people say that this or that is good, or bad, or masculine or feminine, it's always to get something from you or make you change of decision.
Women now tend to act on their own interests, thus gaining power because they are free of the chains of that they have to be-something.
Men in the other hand, are still within the dichotomy of being-something and can't act on their own interests. The fact is that now since manliness is changing as concept, all men are changing their beliefs of what is to be 'them'... That makes them much less powerfull since they always have to struggle with the concept rather than doing whatever the fuck they want (and acting according to having power or not in a situation).
Nah, fuck that shit son.
Stoicism trumps feminine abandon. The author shoots herself in the foot by identifying masculinity as the preferred trait for success.
Of course it fucking is; determination, rationality, strength of will and single mindedness are traits of someone who will push to succeed. Whiners need to realise we live in a world driven by market force, supply and demand, ned and want. While compassion and empathy are trying to make everyone happy, self determination is busy making things happen.
>men are totally lost as this thread proves it
it's because the media only tells us how we should be, not how we can be like we are. if someone has no parents to tell him how to be a man, like those fedora dudes, then media tells you how to act.
Fucking fuck i don't understand why eveyr /fitizen just drop their idea like "idgaf and my idea is better" without explaining it or even trying to make other people understand.
What is your idea of masculinity that don't correspond with ours ?
>You've confirmed every idea I've had about the current state of this board, and worse.
kek, the irony is, your post is by far the most passive aggressive little bitch shit on this thread full of misguided men, congrats man, congrats.
>opinion disregarded out of hand, no need to read the article
>if someone has no parents to tell him how to be a man, like those fedora dudes, then media tells you how to act.
Well, i grew without my father, and it seems pretty acurate for me. Tht's the reason why i'm asking a lot of questions in this thread.
That's too deep, i don't understand. We are what we are withouth knowing it ? Society has lied to us ?
Well, i begin to understand. how one become who he really is ?
>how one become who he really is ?
Same problem, you're looking outside yourself for who you should be. Just let the you that's creative guide you.
>Well, i begin to understand. how one become who he really is ?
well the first step could be to find out who you really are, then you will find a way to be that way on your own, it just takes self-confidence
If Stiner's so great, then why is having a shitty portrait his only claim to fame?
>Philosophers with actual portraits = 1
>Ayn-Rand-supporters-who-know-that-4chan-hates-Rand-Rand-so-they-back-someone-with-similar-views-who-4chan-knows-nothing-about-so-they-can-escape-the-stigma-of-being-called-edgelords = 0
Kek. Yeah I like to stay uninvolved, too many years of 4chan arguing to make it worth it.
I got my ideas, you got yours, every anon got one, just like a butthole. Doesn't make me special.
I just got through 2/3rd of the comments and was so flabbergasted that I had to kek a post out.
>Rhoda Jordan is a spiritual mentor + manifestation coach + writer + actress + filmmaker. She helps others to cultivate their inner feminine wisdom, so that they can become their happiest, healthiest, sexiest selves. She recently produced and starred in the motion picture Living Things, which was endorsed by PETA.
Because he didn't care about what you think of him
Fuck off. Linking to the Huffington Post amounts to trolling, period. If you were genuinely interested in critiquing the state of modern masculinity, you could have initiated the discussion using any one of hundreds or thousands of other, far more credible sources.
>looking for thoughtful engagement
>linking to the Huffington Post
Pick one. 2/10 for getting so many predictable responses to such a predictable troll.
Only if you value such things.
>endorsement by PETA
>being taken seriously
Pick no more than one.
"Rhoda Jordan is a spiritual mentor + manifestation coach + writer + actress + filmmaker. She helps others to cultivate their inner feminine wisdom, so that they can become their happiest, healthiest, sexiest selves. She recently produced and starred in the motion picture Living Things, which was endorsed by PETA."
Holy shit. Bitch that wrote this article probably also has a Phd in fat studies with a resume like that.