We don't like admitting it, but squatting heavy is not safe. Squats and deadlifts are the two top exercises leading to injuries. Most of the cases they lead to back injuries, which are very hard to fully recover from. A lot of the times, you will never get as healthy as before.
So I was wondering: since I still want to squat and deadlift, would finding a safe mark and work volume after that be effective fighting injuries?
Example: Squat. Let's be serious here, unless you are an olympic athlete you don't need to squat more than your bodyweight. So what if a beginner works a 3x5 to reach his body weight and then switch to 4x8? He would still progressing but he would not mutilate his back for, dare I say it, just ego lifting.
Jesus christ you people are fucking retarded.
A squat or deadlift not performed properly isn't anymore dangerous than performing a fucking brocep curl or brobench incorrectly.
Just because you fucking lazy cunts can't learn how to perform a lift properly doesn't mean the lift is fucking dangerous. You do realize how many gym bros who are scared of squats and deads (because they're too retarded to learn proper technique/form) have actually fucked up their shit with bicep tears and pec tears and shoulder dislocations from benching like a retard for years on end?
Just fuck off with X or Y lift is dangerous, EVERYTHING is fucking dangerous if done incorrectly.
well following your post you would say that there are more people curling and benching than the ones squatting and deadlifting. which is true. but when you look at the injuries...squats and deadlifts always lead. of course, they are hard to learn properly, but come on, is EVERYONE retarded? even on this board which is made for spergs who have nothing to do and read rippetoe books and watch form checks everyday. you can't deny squats and deadlifts, after some point, become dangerous and keeping adding up weight is basically irresponsible
People are stupid, they rush into things, they refuse to learn properly, they end up injuring themselves.
Are you stupid?
Do you rush into things?
Do you let your ego control your decisions?
Do you refuse to learn how to do something properly?
If you answer yes to the above 4 things, you probably shouldn't be lifting.
I train at a powerlifting club full of people of all ages. Squats and deads aren't widow-makers, at least if you do them properly.
If we're talking about safe weights then I can tell you that those squatting between 3 and 5 plates rarely suffer any kind of pain. If they do it's minor strains. The real danger seems to lie among the equipped lifters squatting between 300-350 kg. They sometimes have more serious injuries.
It comes down to this in my eyes: train for your goals. If you're an athlete - yes do squats and deadlifts. If you just wanna get in slightly better shape but don't care about min/maxing your workouts and spending time on form, fucking skip squats/deads. Just use machines. Unless you're going to push your body into rigorous fullbody movements for some other reason besides lifting you can train all your muscles in very easy/safe/thoughtless ways and still get the results you'd want as a casual.
However, I'll be in the corner over here doing my squats and getting my core/lower chain jacked as fuck.
There is nothing safe about machines. They're actually detrimental for you in the long run, you're adding muscle to your frame without training any stabilization of the muscle/joint.
Barbells and Dumbbells will train and build upon everything in the body, machines do not.
Train with only machines and you'll end up with large muscles on a frame that is supported by completely and utterly untrained stabilizers, being like this greatly increases your chance of joint and muscular strains and pains just from the fact you've built up muscle on a frame that doesn't have the supporting base built up.
I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand :(