Allowed: DOS, Windows 3.x/9x/NT/2000, Amiga, UNIX/Sun workstations, Mac OS 1-9
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Well, now that that the old thread hit the bump limit (thanks to 2 useless post), this one is finally the legitimate successor.
- /retro/ is a no-bullying zone
- the IRC channel is #/g/retro on Rizon
- "MUH NOSTALGIA" posts are worse than cancer.
Useful informations like posting ASM programming tips or debates on various architectures are encouraged.
If old front-panel microcomputers trigger you interest, if you want to know more about these boxes that could seems useless from a profane, here's a website that talk about old (and not so old) S-100 bus-based stuff:
Also S-100 based. The North Star Horizon, which launched in November 1977 and was possibly the first microcomputer to ship with standard disk drives. Unlike the DIY kit computers such as the Altair and IMSAI, it came already pre-assembled with cards, a ROM BIOS, an OS, and software.
The Horizon ended up mostly being popular with universities and it gave way in 1983 to the North Star Advantage, an impressive computer with high-resolution bitmap graphics. However, the Advantage was still an 8-bit Z80 machine in a world being rapidly taken over by IBM PCs. Moreover, North Star's stubborn insistence on using hard sectored floppy disks made it hard to port software (aside from the disks themselves being difficult to source). The company filed for bankruptcy in 1985.
In fact that was because Function 9 was lifted from CP/M and the original reason for using a dollar sign to terminate strings had to do with some DEC minicomputer terminal originally used to develop CP/M in the 70s.
This computer is noice. I love the (false?)wood box, it give him a pleasant late-70s aesthetic. Too bad it doesn't have front-panel switches 'n LEDs, It's pretty useful for debugging.
Then, I don't think this machine was really aimed at hobbyists, but maybe to give credibility to S-100 computers in the world of business and education computing..
>This computer is noice. I love the (false?)wood box, it give him a pleasant late-70s aesthetic
The Horizon switched to a metal case in 1980.
>Then, I don't think this machine was really aimed at hobbyists, but maybe to give credibility to S-100 computers in the world of business and education computing
Basically correct. For an OS, it could use either CP/M or North Star's NDOS. The latter included a homegrown dialect of BASIC which was mostly source compatible with Microsoft BASIC but changed a few things around such as using a backslash instead of a colon to separate multiple commands on a line. Also FILL and EXAM were used in place of POKE and PEEK. The reason for this change is unknown, but possibly had to do with legal concerns.
>but possibly had to do with legal concerns.
I don't think, locomotive BASIC on Amstrad CPC uses PEEK and POKE too. It was available on Sinclair machines too, that still didn't use MS BASIC.
You can fuck right off, who do you think you are?
But the Timex Sinclair came out in the US too. I think the explanation given by >>43199421 is the most plausible, as it's true that Microsoft only ported one implementation of BASIC.
Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of
Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)
Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)
pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems
(Posting for completeness as it's a longer system list.)
'kay. If one ay you come across this kind of Mac, just be sure that it's a dead one that cannot be resurrected (ICs and stuff dead) before gutting it and replacing the mobo, they're not the easiest machines to find (not the hardest either, but still pretty difficult over here).
Man I'd love to find an Amiga 1000, but these are hard to come by. Most of them ended up in the dumpster instead of being sold again. I love the pizza-box design of the Amiga 1000, C=128D and Sun UltraSPARC 5.
>It was a non-expandable piece of junk.
And you're an uneducated nigger maybe?
It had a side expansion port and tons of upgrade possibilities and third party hardware. Yeah, it's not as much as the Amiga 2000, but it's still easy to expand.
S-100 motherboards like pic related, are the simplest motherboards kind you can have, yet it allows you to have one of the most powerful microcomputer available when coupled with the right cards, as it doesn't have any bus speed limit (it has a 8/16-bit bus, so you just have to use a bus 4 time faster than the CPUs you're using). Just imagine a machine with, like, 15 bi-Power8 CPU and FPU boards, and a few interface boards and video boards.
16 bit CPUs can be used on the S-100 bus as there is already 16 data lines: 8 data in and 8 data out.
Also, we can still make the bus faster than the CPUs, thanks to some sort of cache for example, where the bus can carry 4 time 16 bit of data while the CPU handle 64 bit of data once. I don't think we can call this multiplexing at all, but it's in the same vein.
OK, so I've set up a Raspberry Pi to connect to the Ultra 5's serial console. Install time!
Here's the partitioner. Sane defaults are a glorious thing. This is basically the first screenful of installer that won't leak my private data all over the place, but I've already set up user, hostname, IPv4 and IPv6 static addresses and gateways, disabled root ssh logins, and set ntpd to start at boot to make up for the fact that my nvram chip is borked and the RTC can't keep time between boots. If anyone knows a reputable place to buy replacement Ultra 5 nvram chips I'd be most grateful.
OK, the partitioner's done, the CD has been scanned, and now I'm loading the sets. The installer is remarkable for being quick and responsive over a slow-ass serial line (see filename). Even Debian and FreeBSD's installers tend to be a bit too graphical to work well at this baud rate.
Have you opened the computer? I had the same problem until 3 month ago with my 486 PC: the RTC+NVRAM+battery component (a clone of the Dallas DS1285) died and I replaced it with a newer component that was compatible (a Dallas DS12885).
What is the model is it?
I had it open a little while ago to put the new HDD in, but I didn't look at the model number. I'll crack it open again when my 4x128MB ECC EDO RAM upgrade arrives. The 128MB system RAM I have now is doable, but a wee bit cramped.
9600 baud is fast enough when it comes to text-only stuff imo.
I think he don't own the monitor and keyboard of the machine, so he monitor the installation with a terminal.
Done! God, this is so much better when the hard drive is fast and doesn't sound like a rock golem with digestive problems.
Here's my script I feed to C-Kermit (an excellent program, by the way) to connect to the Ultra 5 from the Pi. Hardware wise, I use a DB-25 to DB-9 null modem cable and a standard USB to DB-9 adapter with a powered USB hub.#!/usr/bin/kermit
set line /dev/ttyUSB0
set serial 8N1
set speed 9600
set carrier-watch off
OK, maybe I overstated when I said "done." Now I have to check out the -stable branch to /usr/src and do a complete rebuild of the system to fix Heartbleed. OpenBSD 5.5 went off to the CD master about half a week before Heartbleed was revealed, and M:Tier doesn't do binary upgrades for sparc64.
I have my dad's old PC/XT sitting around and I'd like to breathe some life into it (it doesn't seem to boot up, but i might just be retarded).
1. How can I tell what revision I have?
2. What good resources are there for info on this stuff?
remove all cards, make sure to use a grounded outlet. clean out the case with compressed air. disconnect, inspect all internal cables, checking for dust, mouse shit, and rust. then reconnect all cables and turn on. if it isn't making noises, disconnect, test the power supply with a multimeter. that may be your problem there.
if it works, shut down and add each card one by one. make sure to clean the connectors with compressed air and remove any rust with a rag and a mild cleaner, such as rubbing alcohol.
if you are interested in vintage hardware, you should do a bit of reading on how to diagnose computers. download the A+ cert manuals and learn it, that will be a good start.
Okay, good luck with this machine then.
>these threads used to be fucking great
>most of the tripfags actually weren't terrible and contributed to the discussion
>aspergers moves in
>every new thread has a different copypasta trying to exclude some platform "they don't like" or some shit
Every OS what isn't latest is now considered retro. OSes two generations ago are now fossil level old. OMG I totally used norton commander as a kid, I do hardcore, unfffff, so old, ohhhhh yeah, beard goes down the neck, ahhh yisss!
>>43204053 is what is wrong with some people in these threads. They think everyone is here because "MUH NOSTALGIA OF WINDEW 98" while many people here are just interested by this kind of machines, how they worked, how to use them the best way, what kind of peripherals you can hook up to them, what kind of fun stuff you can do with them. When you start talking about interesting stuff that predates windows 98, that's it, all they say is:
>"xD wat a fossil! MUH CHILDHOOD IS BETTER THAN URS xDDDD"
This code fragment can be used to clear a text mode screen:mov ax,600h
But writing directly to the video memory is a lot faster:mov ax,0b800h
It's actually kinda mind blowing to think about how someone 60, which isn't even particularly old, was born into a world with no computers. And there are a few people who lived during the 1800 and they literally saw the whole thing unfold.
This is OpenWindows 3, the windowing system for SunOS and UNIX System V, and was developed by AT&T and Sun as a joint project. You can find a slimmed down and open source rebranding of this software as 'XView". Personally I like the XView API, and find it superior to both Motif and GTK+ for its simplicity.
My grandfather is almost in his 80s and his first experience was working on IBM System/360 mainframes at his company(NASA contractor).
Counts only if it's a workstation. Most Linux users, today or yesterday, hardly ever use their computers for 'work'. In contrast, UNIX workstations were commonly used for scientific computing, graphics work, 3D animation, and general office use. Hardly anyone had a UNIX computer at their homes in the 80s/90s, and those that did didn't use them to fuck around on IRC and customize their desktops(Theo de Raadt owned a SPARC computer and helped in porting NetBSD to Sun workstations).
Except that Linux and OS X devoured the entire Unix workstation market and shat it out behind them. A smaller fraction of Linux users use the OS for serious computing(tm) than Unix (!OSX) users, but that's because there's so many more of us.
UNIX essentially killed itself. Because it had a monopoly on the workstation market in the 80s and early 90s, little engineering was being done to improve the existing code base. Each flavor had its own development toolchain and developers were wasting too much time trying to create standards to bridge the gap between the various similar UNIXen. GNU had started to rise in power, but other than GCC, they were a minor threat to the various UNIX vendors. When Linux appeared, it allowed all of GNU's various utilities to be sewed together, all-in-all creating a superior, cross-platform operating system, making the various standards vendors had wasted so much time creating obsolete(XPG etc). When Windows and Linux were able to run on x86 hardware, which no vendor other than Sun supported(but only on their own hardware), it became clear that UNIX and the expensive RISC hardware it depended on would soon fade away.
OS X had nothing to do with UNIX's death, but merely stole users from Linux and Windows, like jwz.
Just tried the GUI OS of the x6800, SX-Windows 1.0. It's a looks and feel pretty comfortable, and I would surely enjoy use it on an daily basis (if I understood what was written everywhere).
I dunno, but like many GUI-based OS, it sure is easy to use. I never understood why people needed more simplification after mainstream OSes switched to GUI. I mean, you just need, like, 30 minutes of exploration and that's it you know how to use it.
Is it a reaction to the complexity of current operating systems? I feel using Win9x now is like a breath of fresh air. I feel it doesn't have the same learning curve as Windows 7 or 8. It seems easier somehow, but I don't know if this is because I used Win9x every single day during my teenage years.
I don't think I would want to go back to a text based system tho. A lot of people get pissy when I say this, but I do prefer to work with the mouse. It is more relaxed.
I want an old pdp.
It had an interesting assembly language that influenced much in the modern computing world.
I'd also be able to run older software, like ITS, TECO, and the some of the first Lisp implementations.
It would be cool for the user interface to be a debugger, like in ITS.
Still, there's also the lisp machines, which were completely written in lisp and user modifiable in everything. They also had kickass keyboards.
>y'all niggas be jelly
I just scored an Amiga 1200!
I got it today from my optometrist. His office was upgrading all their vision testing equipment, so he called me up (he knew I was into retro comp stuff) and said he had a "commodore" if i wanted it, so I said I'll be over. I arrived at his office expecting a C64 or something, but he brought be into the back and there it was; an Amiga 1200!
Brought it home and plugged it in and it worked! I messed around with it for a while; not much on it (just the OS and some vision testing software). It has a hard drive and I'm thinking of doing a CF mod to it so I can easily copy .adf files from my PC to it.
It also came with a mouse, joystick and a monitor.
I do gud /g/?
Considering how there were no real "graphics cards", just VGA devices, does that mean that every pixel needed to be set manually for old games?
Was there any efficient way to implement scrolling? What about tiles and maps?
I'm interested in Windows 2000 but what can you do with a retro OS ? Other than games and learning how they work, what can you do with them.
Does anyone do some type of work with them ?
>what can you do with them
I have a Windows 98SE box that I shitpost on /g/ from, play period games, fap to furry porn, etc. You know, anything you would do on a current machine.
I don't understand your question, people collect and maintain old computers for its own sake, not to accomplish anything. Like someone that collects classic muscle cars will still drive a Honda Civic to work because it's more practical.
>I don't understand your question
what, other than playing games and just learning how they work, does anyone on /g/ do some type of work on them or anything ?
If I can't do anything other than just play games and learning the OS then after a month or two I'm just going to move on to another one.
I shitpost on this board from a Windows 2000 system (Pentium 4 1300, 1 GB RDRAM, Matrox G450 dualhead) quite often.
But it really depends on what you want to do, even the oldest systems are capable of many basic tasks that we still regularly do today. If you like the experience/feel of older boxes, you could use them for just about anything but web surfing.
>people are paying more than $20 for these systems
>mfw I pass these up at $5 each at the recycler every week
I-is this a special case? Please tell me it isn't.
Buying the boards already made and just assembling them too. The REAL computer hobbyist solder all his components himself.
Nice. I had a teal one.
Really wanted an Octane with the video adapter, couldn't afford it.
I can only speak for what I know, but PC hardware only had the framebuffer so yeah you had to set every individual pixel. There was nothing like hardware tile acceleration like on game consoles. You could do palette rotation for effects though.
On the other hand, the Commodore 64 had actual sprites. You could simulate tiles by overwriting the 8x8 character set and just using those.
I worked with an engineer, and she had a poop-brown one. Pic not mine, but same device.
At one time or another I've used or interacted with just about every SGI device. The one just to the right of the Fuel is actually a Windows NT 4 box that SGI put out for some reason. Overpriced shit.
They made some generic Itanium systems too during this era.
Total shit, but I'd still like one.
>Is it a reaction to the complexity of current operating systems? I feel using Win9x now is like a breath of fresh air. I feel it doesn't have the same learning curve as Windows 7 or 8
Nah it's way easier now. You have no idea how much of a bitch pre-XP hardware and OSes were because you're underage.
When some of these were brand new, they were like alien technology or something. 99.999% of PCs were still beige boxes, so the effect was even more pronounced. People shit bricks when they saw black NeXT boxes, but an SGI on your desk was a straight up status symbol. "My PC cost more than your new car."
Eh, not him, but Windows 3.1 and other GUI-based OS of the time are definitely simple enough to learn and use it quickly after the first use, no matter how many "hurr underage" you might throw.
DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE X=C000-CFFF NOEMS
Tell me what this stuff does and back to me.
I would kind of agree that MacOS has become less user friendly over time. Everything after System 6 was incoherent, and with OS X they just threw it all out for Unix and took five more revisions to unfuck it to the point that it was comparable to Windows 95.
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2 N. Amer. informal an obnoxious or contemptible person, typically a man.
I don't mind Win2k and retro used in the same sentence. It is a waste of time arguing about what is and what isn't retro. It isn't a term with a defined predefined timeline. The OP clearly states that Win2k is allowed, and I can't remember a single thread that said it wasn't allowed.
>DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE X=C000-CFFF NOEMS
Extended memory manager is launched, prevented from using segments set by the X parameter, and EMS disabled.
Number of file pointers.
Set 0 stack which sizes are 0 bytes.
Yeah, that's some stuff you need to know if you want to tweak your windows 3.1 installation, but the base install configure it automatically, so 75% of the users didn't see that. Also, you don't have that stuff either in old MacOS and AmigaOS.
I used Win95 from 95 until about 2002 or 2003 using a computer from 1995. I think I know how much of a bitch it was. It really wasn't.
I never had to fuck around with IRQs. The hardest part about those computers were setting the master/slave switches on harddrives and figuring out which way the IDE plugs should be oriented. None of my ribbons had keys back then. SIMMs weren't really an issue either. Just had to make sure you installed a matching pair.
I don't think non-technical people ever had to touch those on pre-built pre-installed systems. If 3.x didn't start automatically, they'd just type win every time they started the computer.
I wouldn't want to keep stuff laying around at my moms house. She likes to throw shit out without notifying the owner when she needs the space for herself.
She can barely even hold on to it for an hour to give me a chance to come pick it up before she throws it out.
I never keep shit at my moms house because of this.
I think they're both sexy in their own way.
The 2000 is a good looking desktop machine, it looks like the machine it is: a computers made to be upgraded and expanded indefinitely (I think that if we still made cards for the 2000, we could turn it into a pretty damn fast machine). On the other hand, the 1000's sexiness is mainly from it's sleek pizza-box design, with places to keep the keyboard underneath when not used.
Noice, at first I though that the monitor was a Sony KX-21ps1.
there's a few simple curcuits to properly composite them
i've actually got my desktop hooked up to a tv via scart right here, and all i did was solder both H and V into the sync pin (20)
i know it's not a 'clean' way to do it, but it works
The North Star Advantage, the ill-starred (bad pun) successor to the NS Horizon. Although it had impressive hi-res graphics, it was still an 8-bit Z80 computer at a time when the IBM PC was rapidly taking over the business market. That and NS's stubborn insistence on using hard-sectored floppies.
The monitor I got (>>43211183) has a scart input on it.
It also has a VTR input, which is great if I wanted to get one of them old U-Matic VCRs.
Whoops forgot to trip
Just blew some ultramong the fuck out at auction and scored this for $9, can't wait to get it home
Local auction house, they get some breddy good shit sometimes, scored a TRS-80 Model 1 with expansion, monitor and 42 cassettes for $15 and a boxed VIC-20 for $5 a while back from the same place.
>mfw my grandpa actually uses BSD because he grew up on unix
I had to double-check myself a couple times, thinking maybe someone was playing a prank on him or something. Apparently, our neighbor set him up with it last year after hearing him talk nostalgically about working in the computer room at Sanderson Farms. Completely took away any haxor feels I ever had about using leenux...
Your grandpa is hardcore. Does he even use X or is he still rocking the console? If you want to really blow his mind, introduce him to things that didn't exist back then, like ssh and tmux.
I'm not sure. I live on the opposite side of the country, but I plan on picking his brain when I come home for Christmas. It was definitely a tty prompt that I saw in the picture, though. I saw it on facebook in the background.
>take it home
>write a refdisk
>1780 Drive seek failure
F U C K
Is there any hope? ;_;
ha, I thought of that when I saw your first post but I didn't want to piss on your parade. I've come across a couple of those, and have yet to see one with working drives. The hdd is pretty much guaranteed to be dead, they were shit. You can try cleaning the head on the floppy, but it probably needs an alignment at least.
Floppy drive actually works pretty well, but the hard disk is shit.
I've never encountered a single working Connor laptop drive in this size range. Good thing I have lots of replacements.
>no A/UX ITT
I miss my Quadra 950. It looked neat, like an international-style skyscraper, and the case was so big it was pretty easy to work in.
does it use a standard 44pin ide drive?
i picked up a 1997 thinkpad 770 some time ago and it had a broken hdd, but in the hdd caddy was just a plain hdd (hitachi, i think), so i just swapped it out and it was good to go
Not him, but it was a fantastic idea, shameful Apple didn't pursue it further.
Unlike OS X, it was real, multiuser UNIX, and it was able to run most popular pieces of software for System 6/7 (depending on version) with no modification.
Not many people bought it, though, and they abandoned it before the PowerPC switch.
hey >>43224381 do you know how to configure a non-standard disk on this thing? It refuses to recognize the 540 MB drive I installed in it and throws a 162, then boots into BASIC.
got a 2k, NT4, and a pair of DOS/3.1x workstations currently hooked up
shitposting from the 2k box right now
pic related (three of them), pls don't mind the mess (and the shit quality as usual) though, still cleaning out this room
>that based fresh install feeling
I'm going to have to install Calmira on something else, as much as I want to try it on this thing. No mouse and muh stock autism.
L40SX autist here
does anyone know where I might be able to find the features/drivers diskettes for this shit? PC-BBS doesn't seem to have very much.
Floppy drives use their own cables (MFM, but it uses the same kind of connector as IDE)
autism aside, if your shit was equipped with a floppy drive to begin with and you can find a cable like pic related to go along with the drive you want to use, XP should still support those drives just fine
Even Windows 8 still knows what a floppy drive is.
If your mainboard has a floppy header, bear in mind that MB manufacturers rarely wire up both channels. You will only be able to use one of the primary connectors on the cable.
General rule of thumb for laptop displays:
With a few occasional exceptions like the Zenith Supersport 386 which had a CGA display, but it predated Windows 3.0. Also some portables had plasma displays which copied the AT&T/Olivetti 640x400x2 mode.
Okay, I was wrong, never heard MFM mentioned when speaking about floppies. I just got to know it because I have an old Seagate ST-225 with corresponding controller lying at home (both should still be working). Finally I know, what "MFM" actually means.
This is what a well-equipped IMSAI could look like.
A fully equipped one would also have an HDD controller hooked to an external drive (maybe an SCSI one), a linepinter for physical listings, a tape reader/writer for backups, maybe multiple monitors instead of one, and maybe multiple CPU boards too.
This IMSAI is from the film Wargames.
Other problem. I'm looking on fleabay and I'm not sure that the drives have IDE. Would there have been some adapter needed for the FDD cable to fit, or a certain identifying word for those kinds of drives?
Also, is there an online spot better than fleabay to find older PC parts? I'm looking for stores near me and not turning up anything.
Pic related is the system of the owner of the
s100-related website posted here >>43199140.
Nice isn't it?
>Forbidden - Visitors from your country are not permitted to browse this site.
Is it only for USA or something?
Anyways. I get most of my parts from ebay. Sometimes locally.
The L40 had a number of DOS utilities that came pre-installed on the system, I wish the original drive was still functional so I could back them up. Oh well.
I had a boxed set of 3.0 on hand, as well as autism.
>tfw I'll never find a ball/retainer for my actual IBM PS/2 mouse
If it is, any common laptop IDE drive will work* although the BIOS probably has a size limit (can be overcome with BIOS extenders; I used to use one on a Pentium PC).
*Up to 2GB which is the maximum partition size supported by FAT16
Win3.1 is just Win3.0 with extended multimedia features.
My guess is that anons laptop (with a B/W display) just has a piezo speaker, so there is no reason to use Win3.1 on the laptop... Win3.11 on the other hand (if anon has a network adapter) would be better than 3.0 because it has networking support.
>Win3.11 on the other hand (if anon has a network adapter) would be better than 3.0 because it has networking support
He said it has 2MB of RAM. That's not enough for WfW 3.11 which doesn't support Standard Mode. It needs more memory than that.
>I'm looking on fleabay and I'm not sure that the drives have IDE.
The only floppy-capable drives that will have IDE interfaces are non-standard ATAPI devices like Imation Superdisk or Sony HiFD floptical drives.
Standard floppies use MFM interfaces. Although the "modern" floppy MFM connector looks like an IDE ribbon, it isn't.
HDDs needed to move away from MFM for performance reasons. There really wasn't any reason to do the same for floppies since they couldn't really take advantage of the interface.
Seems to be working well for me so far, I chose it mostly because it was the correct era for the hardware and the L40SX was sold with DOS 5.0+Win 3.0 installed or optionally with OS/2.
I miss the Startup folder though, I don't think there's any way to do auto-starting programs in 3.0.
My dad used it at work back then. He said 3.0 was cute, but crashed a lot and there wasn't much you could do beyond play with the included applets.
There's no reason to use 3.0 at all on a 386. Maybe a 286 or an XT.
Yeah, I'll have to try shoving some more RAM in it later, but I can't remember if it took proprietary SIMMs or not.
But they made millions of them, trust me, you'll find another, probably better one.
>it was the correct era for the hardware
Upon release. Bear in mind that users typically upgraded to Win 3.1 when possible due to 3.0's shortcomings. DOS 5 to Dos 6 -> 6.2 -> 6.22 also, due in no small part to the inclusion of Defrag and Doublespace.
WfW 3.11 wasn't really used on home PCs.
>Upon release. Bear in mind that users typically upgraded to Win 3.1 when possible due to 3.0's shortcomings
I have a 386SX/20 which is an upgrade from 3.0 (indicated by how Reversi is still present in the Windows directory).
>WfW 3.11 wasn't really used on home PCs
Incorrect; once DOS 6.22 came out in May 94, WfW 3.11 was shipped with virtually all PCs until Windows 95 arrived.
>once DOS 6.22 came out in May 94, WfW 3.11 was shipped with virtually all PCs until Windows 95 arrived.
This was not the case anywhere I'd been or traveled, but I guess it must have varied by region. I've seen non-WfW editions of 3.11, though they were all upgrades from 3.1.
Well Win3.0 ran everything I needed perfectly fine when I was using it on a Compaq Portable III...