What GNU/Linux distros are out there that don't use systemd?
I know in Gentoo it's optional, but are there any other ones?
>inb4 install bsd
>mfw people whine about systemd when it's perfectly fine
you sure showed me anon. It doesn't dismiss the fact that systemd does its job and does it good, it evolves as everything but it's being an elitist fuckwat to reject it.
Didn't like that one? Don't worry, here's another one:
What systemd should be: "Let's make a modern replacement for sysvinit"
What systemd has become: "Let's build a system that will not only replace sysvinit but which will also manage your entire system from the ground up, and why not, let's stick in there a word processor in case you want to edit something while your initramfs is being initialised and let's make another module that can say "Hi, Jedi master" while it offers to walk your dog... And it's ALL gonna be integrated within a single place. So no more having different small subsystems that do very well one single task: let's have a do-it-all abomination that exposes a gigantic attack surface to find system vulnerabilities and that also brings back hundreds of bugs that we had managed to remove from Linux and sysvinit years, if not decades, ago. And you know what's gonna be the best part of it? We're gonna shove it everyone's throat so they don't have a fucking choice whether they want to stay as they are or actually embrace it. Yup, it's gonna be amazing, guys."
So? Just X alone uses 10 times the memory, why not bitch about that HUGE ATTACK SURFACE?
Oh yeah, because X isn't made by a guy that called all of you talentless faggots, and he's right.
>and the old shit systemd is also meant to replace like polkit is a thousand times as ugly as systemd is.
In other words, Freedesktop made a problem for itself which it is now attempting to fix by reimplementing various fetid pieces of shit in one suite of uberdaemons.
systemd: Complex non-solutions to simple non-problems.
Just how underage are you? Go and look at Ken Thompson's and Rob Pike's comments on X and Berkeley Sockets.
i read the chart title as Systemd vs SysVomit
"Nobody has the intention to build a wall" is the most literal translation that I can pull from mine and Google Translate's collective asses, but as an american I would simplify it to "fuck that shit".
*BSD doesn't have a quarter of the amount of software GNU/Linux has. For commonplace server stuff *BSD is fine (perhaps even better than GNU/Linux) but as soon as you try to pull something a bit more obscure, you'll soon find yourself in a dead alley.
The only thing we ask for is being given the alternative to get systemd or not, as much as we do with DEs or WMs. I personally think systemd goes against everything Linux (and UNIX) is supposed to be: lean, modular and simple.
Also, does anyone know if any of the FOSS GNU/Linux distros have systemd or sysvinit? I'm talking about Trisquel, Parabola...
>*BSD doesn't have a quarter of the amount of software GNU/Linux has
so? the software it does have works fine
it has a browser, a word processor, a spreadsheet maker, a broswer, an IDE, etc. What else do you need?
I only bring up BSD because it's a systemD thread, and BSD doesn't use systemD
>somebody will write drivers for my hardware
no, I expect people to write their own drivers like the real unix users they are
In that case, I would parallel it with the stuff the gun control folks have been using. Still, I use systemd and it ain't half bad.
Don't get so excited there, m8. I consider myself a traditional UNIXtard yet I don't care that much about systemd so as to spend all day crying about it or worse (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Developer-Leaves-Debian-Systemd-Maintainer-Team-After-Constant-Attacks-465081.shtml).
I was just asking for alternative distros that at least give me the chance to decide whether I want it or not. I like Arch Linux a lot anyway and I don't think I'm gonna stop using it just because they adopted systemd. There are so many other things I like about Arch that I'm not willing to give it up just for one bad thing, however relevant it might be.
That's the great thing about foss. No one can force you to do things you don't want to do.
No one can force you to use systemd, just like how you can't force people to maintain legacy systems like sysvinit.
Yes and no: since Debian's upgrade pace is so slow you can still find modern versions of Debian having sysvinit, but I don't think it's gonna remain that way for the upcoming versions.
I'm using it on desktop right now.
Okay actually it's a Thinkpad that's sitting on a desk, but that's close enough. ;-)
Haven't used Linux on desktop for about 10 years. I can do everything with BSD. You're wrong to think that open-source code doesn't get ported by FreeBSD & friends. If it's open-source and useful, it gets ported.
You sound like you haven't seen BSD since early 90's. Modern BSD desktop is almost indistinguishable from Linux. Under the hood, it's different of course. There's no systemd for example. ;-) And the kernel and libc are different. The man pages are better, and so is the firewall. It's more cohesive because it's built as a whole, rather than bits and pieces slapped together half-ass.
Last time I played with FreeBSD was this summer. I'll admit I've never used it extensively and, don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, but I don't know... I still feel it doesn't have so rich a software base as any of the the mainstream GNU/Linux distros do. For me it's very important to know that my distro has a large dev community backing it, even if I'm gonna use less than 1% of the software in the repositories. I guess it's a matter of taste.
Linus Torvalds himself says he has no strong opinions about it, yet the only thing he points out about it is a negative one.
However it isn't true what that article says: I use Ubuntu 14.04 and I rarely have to restart the system due to recently installed upgrades, unless they're really critical ones, like a new kernel image or something like that.
Well, by the looks of your grammar
>It's a matter of u being having autism
you seem a bit mentally challenged too. It's alright, we can have each other's back. You tell me how I can get a life and I'll tell you how you can think like an autonomous, intelligent person.
The fuck are you talking about m8. Ubuntu has had sytemd since 13.04
Also, Ubuntu is the less Linuxy Linux distro there is. I want to stay away from it even more than from systemd.
systemd is so much cleaner and more efficient than sysvinit. This is really a comparison between a pile of poorly hacked together shell scripts to a professionally written C codebase
An init script runs once, who gives a shit about the performance? It's better than a bloated as fuck PID 1 running all the time and can potentially bring your whole system down, and also requires crap like dbus runnning all the time.
There's zero support for systemd on Slackware.
Well, well... Look what just showed up in OpenBSD ports...
THIS IS THE FUTURE
I think PID 1 should be a simple shell script, so it's easy to audit.