>>45277228 He didn't do any actual computer programming, but these menial tasks he left to others. He was the visionary, the inventor. He came up with all the ideas and he had others implement them, which they did reluctantly because his ideas were so revolutionary when he came up with them. When he invented the mouse, the engineers couldn't fathom why anyone would ever need such a device. The keyboard had 120 buttons and the mouse only had one! That was commonplace for Steve Jobs, whose zen approach to life and background in design let him come up with technical ideas that nobody had ever considered before him.
>>45277380 >Around 1981 Xerox included mice with itsXerox Star, based on the mouse used in the 1970s on the Alto computer atXerox PARC.Sun Microsystems,Symbolics,Lisp MachinesInc., andTektronixalso shipped workstations with mice, starting in about 1981. Later, inspired by the Star,Apple Computerreleased theApple Lisa, which also used a mouse. However, none of these products achieved large-scale success. Only with the release of theApple Macintoshin 1984 did the mouse see widespread use.
>The Macintosh design,commercially successful and technically influential, led many other vendors to begin producing mice or including them with their other computer products (by 1986,Atari ST,Amiga,Windows 1.0,GEOSfor theCommodore 64, and theApple IIGS).
>>45277366 >>45277419 Well, we could argue all night who created the first primitive mouse-like pointer. What is a fact though is that the computer mouse as we know it today was invented by apple, largely by Steve Jobs' initiative. Mac OS X is also the first Unix system achieving widespread success among consumer computers. In a sense, you could say that Apple, or rather Steve Jobs personally (Since the development of OSX started at NeXT) introduced Unix to the mainstream audience.
>>45277722 i realize that you are trying to discredit my opinion somehow, but it really doesn't follow. i'm sitting in a chair made of wood, but that doesn't mean that because it supports my weight that it couldn't be better. in other words, yes, the c language has been immensely useful and and produced great quantities for useful things, but it does have its limitations. young developers are generally loathe to use c or any of its directives, for many reasons, and great progress has been made to replace C with more modern languages. my point still stands. people don't enjoy unix (system d?) or C (rust, D, java, etc).
>>45277465 >the computer mouse as we know it today was invented by apple If they had their way we would've had mice with only one button... Oh, and he didn't invent the mouse. Wikipedia your facts first.
I know this isn't related to how important he is, but I fell over a bunch of cool stories the other day. http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-great-stories-about-Steve-Jobs It's worth reading at least some of them.
>>45277827 >>45277842 you're confusing statement as an endorsement of one person, which i am not doing. i don't idolize one person over another, as you are doing with richie. if you'd read my statement in earnest, you'd realize that there is truth in it outside the worship of one person
>>45277228 He invented a new method of firing employees, it was called steving. If you got steved, it meant you got fired in one second, if you met him in an elevator and he didn't like that you didn't share his vision (lel).
Basically everyone at Applel was shitting their pants if they saw Jobs approaching them. They didn't even want to have lunch on the same table with him.
So, you could say he kept them on their toes. Now that their CEO is a homosexual, everyone is more relaxed. I mean, who would fear a guy who takes it up his ass.
> he was involved significantly in developing the first actually usable (for non-techies) GUI
> later on, he was very good at selecting certain ideas, merging them and creating new types or specific types of existing devices, creating entire new markets as he went along (tablets) or creating more competition in them (multitouch smartphones, high-def displays, music players, ultrabooks, etc)
>>45277915 what i mean is, dennis's contributions have a more basic and prevalent affect on the world (how many things rely on UNIX and C? seriously?) jobs and apple largely keep to themselves, i'm not even sure that jobs not existing would have changed a great deal overall
Steve Jobs was really good at marketing, nothing else. He has gotten credit from a lot of stuff that he shouldn't. Everything that Apple did is pretty much credited to Jobs, because he is seen more of a cult figure; icon of innovation, when he just marketed existing ideas more aggressively to mainstream than anyone else did. Only thing he as innovative was promoting user-friendly interfaces
>Givens recalled one day when a secretary was late, and Jobs demanded to know why. “(She was a) single mom, good secretary,” Givens said. “She said, ‘My car wouldn’t start.’ So, that afternoon, (Jobs) walks into her office, throws a set of keys to a brand new Jaguar and says, ‘Here, don’t be late anymore.’ He was always doing things like that, surprising people.”
>>45277944 while it's true that C is ubiquitous ritchie, like jobs, are just catalysts. if they hadn't existed, someone else would have eventually done what they did.
<something like C> being there is important, C specifically isn't important. ritchie is definitely a great scientist but he didn't foresee the next 50 years of computing development. there's a lot of chance involved.
ritchie was a software engineering visionary, jobs was a makro-level GUI / industrial design visionary.
>>45277967 yeah it's bs but it's true that apple first made proper use of the mouse as a device with the introduction of the lisa
>>45278011 daily reminder microsoft has a way bigger marketing budget than apple, and has had forever. > only thing he did is user friendly interfaces that's a pretty big thing considering without those it's hard to use a computer, if it's hard to use a computer, they won't be used commonly, there's no market, no competition, no lots of software being developed for lots of purposes, etc, etc. you opinion is myopic.
>>45277944 Dennis surely has large world impact, but his is more subtle than Steve Jobs. Without Steve Jobs to "steal" GUI from xerox, the world wouldn't have Windows GUI. Without Steve Jobs to push Woz into selling his stuff, the world wouldn't get Macs. Without Steve Jobs, the Apple company wouldn't exist. Apple is a ~500 billion dollar industry, the world's largest company. Its got huge sway in many people's life directly.
C came out in '72. There were already couple dozen programming languages in existence before C. Lisp is one of them. Pascal existed, etc. Without C, UNIX would either have stayed in assembly or it would have moved to LISP or something else. Functionality of UNIX would still exist fine, just not the C. We won't have C++ and instead of C/C++/C#/etc, we'd be stuck with LISP/Prolog/Pascal and their new derivatives.
>When engineers working on the very first iPod completed the prototype, they presented their work to Steve Jobs for his approval. Jobs played with the device, scrutinized it, weighed it in his hands, and promptly rejected it. It was too big.
>The engineers explained that they had to reinvent inventing to create the iPod, and that it was simply impossible to make it any smaller. Jobs was quiet for a moment. Finally he stood, walked over to an aquarium, and dropped the iPod in the tank. After it touched bottom, bubbles floated to the top.
>"Those are air bubbles," he snapped. "That means there's space in there. Make it smaller."
>One of my friends did an internship at Apple. Apparently Apple has a day where the interns get to meet Steve Jobs (this was obviously a few years back) and ask him questions. Two questions that were asked stuck in her mind:
>1. "What do you wish for the most?"
>Steve Jobs: "I wish people would stop asking me stupid questions."
>>45277796 >i'm sitting in a chair made of wood, but that doesn't mean that because it supports my weight that it couldn't be better.
No it means be thankful some people worked on all the processes necessary to avoid you to make your own shitty chair. If someone makes those processes much better then we'll be thankful to him too but until then, people enjoying it or not is irrelevant.
Everything can be made better that's the whole point of technical and technological evolution : you are not making any point when you say "implying people enjoy using unix or C"
>I first met Steve in a humanities seminar at Reed College. We were discussing the Parthenon frieze, and Steve told me my opinion was full of shit. This seventeen-year-old with the shock of scruffy hair, who looked like he had been sleeping on a couch (which he probably was), told me that if I wanted to understand art, I needed to get out in the world.
Not sure why everyone perpetuates the meme that Steve Jobs didn't know how to program. He grew up hanging out at HP and writing toy BASIC and APL programs on their boxes. We can discern from this that he was at least as knowledgable as the average /g/ poster. A low bar for sure, but nevertheless.
He is the greatest marketer of all time. Even he himself was part of the branding. I mean the fact that anyone looks up to him when he was THE stereotypical asshole CEO fixing employee wages, parking in handicap spaces, and bullying not just his own employees but whole other companies if they didn't suck up is a marketing miracle in itself.
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